---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:41:06 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Orphan Train Riders in Iowa project To: iowa-l@rootsweb.com The State Coordinator of IAGenWeb Project is more interested in rules and bylaws than a period in history that is extraordinary in IA and other states. Gertrude Bell, I am sorry. http://iagenweb.org/iaorphans/ http://iagenweb.org/iaorphans/logo.shtml Thank you all for your support. Tina Vickery ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:25:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Orphan Train Riders in Iowa project To: sdwilliams@leafglow.com Cc: Constance Hall <connihall28@yahoo.com>, Ralph Leonard <rleonard2509@live.com> Steve, Whatever, your mind is made up. I will NOT let this rest. If you can do this to me, you can certainly do this to others. I hope you are proud of yourself. You blindside a volunteer and leave them no recourse .. think again! On 1/5/13, Steve Williams <sdwilliams@leafglow.com> wrote: > Tina, > > I am just back from being gone all day up to now. > > I truly am sorry you feel this way. A discussion would not have changed > the result, as I knew what must be done with the project. It was clear > the project could not exist if it violated our bylaws year after year. > Any SC would be forced to make the same decision because of this. I would > have failed in my job otherwise. > > It has been a customary practice to update records etc before giving > notice. It was a mistake on our part that you received an unsub notice > prior to my note. I apologize for that. It's something I will try not to > let happen again. > > It is clear that the bylaws/project rules were violated when you were > passed on your last review: "At the > very least, new transcribed or random data should be added no less than > twice yearly." It was probably thought there was nothing else to add, so > you should be passed. Well, like I said, that violated the rules. > > I could have handled this better, but the results would have been the > same. > > I really do appreciate the work you've done on the project and that it was > dear to your heart. > > You are always welcome to apply for a county project if you have an > interest there. > > All the best, > > Steve > IAGenWeb State Coordinator > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tina Vickery [mailto:tsvickery@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 10:46 AM > To: sdwilliams@leafglow.com > Cc: Constance Hall; Ralph Leonard > Subject: Re: Orphan Train Riders in Iowa project > > Amazing, I don't even get the curtesy of a reply .. You all need to learn > leadership skills. > > Tina > > On 1/4/13, Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> wrote: >> Dear Steve, >> >> The more I think about this the angrier I am. I can't fathom why you >> would do this with no discussion with me. Would you, please and thank >> you, explain that to me? >> >> Why did I get unsubbed from the mailing list PRIOR to your note to me? >> Why wasn't I involved/included in the decision making process? Why >> was my last Special Project review passed? I can provide you a copy. >> >> I do realize that this is a very limited scope of history, but it is >> near and dear to my heart. You may not know this about me, but my >> twin brother and I grew up as foster children from birth. We were >> lucky, while never adopted, we live and love and are a member of that >> family. I have two sisters, my twin, seven niecies and nephews, 10 >> greats with that same family to the present. They call me Aunt T. >> They are my family. I identify with the children on the Orphan Train. >> In a different era, my twin and I would have been featured on the >> pages. >> >> I am stunned that you would summarily dismiss me with not even the >> curtsey of discussion with me. I want to understand. Please explain. >> >> Tina >> >> On 1/4/13, Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Dear Steve, >>> >>> Is that why I was summarily unsubscribed from the IAGenWeb Project >>> mailing list at 9:28 am this morning. No discussion with me, just >>> poof, the decision made? Wow, I hope you conduct your business with >>> other long standing volunteers better than that! It is rude and very >>> unprofessional. I am not dissapointed, I am angry and disgusted! >>> >>> I wish you all the best. Good luck in the future. >>> >>> >>> Tina Vickery >>> >>> >>> On 1/4/13, Steve Williams <sdwilliams@leafglow.com> wrote: >>>> Dear Tina, >>>> >>>> I hope you are doing well. >>>> >>>> I know this will be very disappointing to you, but after >>>> consultation with several people, I have decided to decommission the >>>> Orphan Train Riders to Iowa Special Project. The project has the >>>> narrowest scope of any project on IAGenWeb and there is very little >>>> remaining data to be had. As you know, this has been mentioned in >>>> the past. I'm sure there is a bit of hard to find data out there, >>>> but it doesn't warrant keeping a separate project afloat for it. >>>> We, of course, can't loose this great data, so I'm going to fold it >>>> into the History special project. >>>> >>>> You probably realize yourself that decommissioning the project must >>>> be done also, being that you have not been able to find data to add >>>> to the project in almost 3 years (come February.) That's just the >>>> nature of a narrowly focused project like this. The other >>>> determination in decommissioning the project is that, because of the >>>> difficulty of being able to find data to add, the project has and >>>> will constantly go against our Project Rules, which states "At the >>>> very least, new transcribed or random data should be added no less >>>> than twice yearly." The Project Rules are referenced in our bylaws, >>>> so we can't go against this clause. A project cannot be a project >>>> if data cannot be added. >>>> >>>> I am sorry about this, but I hope you understand. As SC, I can't >>>> bring myself to continually go against the rules of the IAGenWeb > project. >>>> >>>> I want to thank you so much for the volunteer service you gave to >>>> this project since July of 2004! Amazing! The site has always been >>>> kept looking good. We are--and so many researchers are--grateful >>>> for your service to the project. >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> IAGenWeb State Coordinator >>>> >>> >> > >

Frankly I can't believe what I am reading.  We have a project that has offerered invaluable information by a long standing volunteer to the USGenWeb.  The scope of the project is such that because of the hard work of this volunteer all most all of the available data has been found, submitted and posted.   The result of which is see words like...   decommissioning the project Project Rules violated go against the rules   In addition - if I understand correctly the USGenWeb rules trump state rules (I am not the expert on this, so I don't need to be hit on the head)   This is sad and a very bad example for our record of what can happen to someone or the results of their  hard work.    Very, very insensitive. ~ Nancy  >>PA SC >> >>  >________________________________ > From: Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> >To: state-coord <state-coord@rootsweb.com>; usgenweb-discuss <usgenweb-discuss@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 10:19 PM >Subject: [STATE-COORD] Fwd: Orphan Train Riders in Iowa project > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> >Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:41:06 -0500 >Subject: Fwd: Orphan Train Riders in Iowa project >To: iowa-l@rootsweb.com > >The State Coordinator of IAGenWeb Project is more interested in rules >and bylaws than a period in history that is extraordinary in IA and >other states.  Gertrude Bell, I am sorry. > >http://iagenweb.org/iaorphans/ >http://iagenweb.org/iaorphans/logo.shtml > >Thank you all for your support. > >Tina Vickery > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> >Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:25:30 -0500 >Subject: Re: Orphan Train Riders in Iowa project >To: sdwilliams@leafglow.com >Cc: Constance Hall <connihall28@yahoo.com>, Ralph Leonard ><rleonard2509@live.com> > >Steve, > >Whatever, your mind is made up.  I will NOT let this rest.  If you can >do this to me, you can certainly do this to others.  I hope you are >proud of yourself.  You blindside a volunteer and leave them no >recourse .. think again! > >On 1/5/13, Steve Williams <sdwilliams@leafglow.com> wrote: >> Tina, >> >> I am just back from being gone all day up to now. >> >> I truly am sorry you feel this way.  A discussion would not have changed >> the result, as I knew what must be done with the project.  It was clear >> the project could not exist if it violated our bylaws year after year. >> Any SC would be forced to make the same decision because of this.  I would >> have failed in my job otherwise. >> >> It has been a customary practice to update records etc before giving >> notice.  It was a mistake on our part that you received an unsub notice >> prior to my note.  I apologize for that.  It's something I will try not to >> let happen again. >> >> It is clear that the bylaws/project rules were violated when you were >> passed on your last review: "At the >> very least, new transcribed or random data should be added no less than >> twice yearly."  It was probably thought there was nothing else to add, so >> you should be passed.  Well, like I said, that violated the rules. >> >> I could have handled this better, but the results would have been the >> same. >> >> I really do appreciate the work you've done on the project and that it was >> dear to your heart. >> >> You are always welcome to apply for a county project if you have an >> interest there. >> >> All the best, >> >> Steve >> IAGenWeb State Coordinator >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tina Vickery [mailto:tsvickery@gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 10:46 AM >> To: sdwilliams@leafglow.com >> Cc: Constance Hall; Ralph Leonard >> Subject: Re: Orphan Train Riders in Iowa project >> >> Amazing, I don't even get the curtesy of a reply .. You all need to learn >> leadership skills. >> >> Tina >> >> On 1/4/13, Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Dear Steve, >>> >>> The more I think about this the angrier I am.  I can't fathom why you >>> would do this with no discussion with me.  Would you, please and thank >>> you, explain that to me? >>> >>> Why did I get unsubbed from the mailing list PRIOR to your note to me? >>>  Why wasn't I involved/included in the decision making process?  Why >>> was my last Special Project review passed?  I can provide you a copy. >>> >>> I do realize that this is a very limited scope of history, but it is >>> near and dear to my heart.  You may not know this about me, but my >>> twin  brother and I grew up as foster children from birth.  We were >>> lucky, while never adopted, we live and love and are a member of that >>> family.  I have two sisters, my twin, seven niecies and nephews, 10 >>> greats with that same family to the present.  They call me Aunt T. >>> They are my family.  I identify with the children on the Orphan Train. >>>  In a different era, my twin and I would have been featured on the >>> pages. >>> >>> I am stunned that you would summarily dismiss me with not even the >>> curtsey of discussion with me.  I want to understand.  Please explain. >>> >>> Tina >>> >>> On 1/4/13, Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Dear Steve, >>>> >>>> Is that why I was summarily unsubscribed from the IAGenWeb Project >>>> mailing list at 9:28 am this morning.  No discussion with me, just >>>> poof, the decision made?  Wow, I hope you conduct your business with >>>> other long standing volunteers better than that!  It is rude and very >>>> unprofessional.  I am not dissapointed, I am angry and disgusted! >>>> >>>> I wish you all the best.  Good luck in the future. >>>> >>>> >>>> Tina Vickery >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/4/13, Steve Williams <sdwilliams@leafglow.com> wrote: >>>>> Dear Tina, >>>>> >>>>> I hope you are doing well. >>>>> >>>>> I know this will be very disappointing to you, but after >>>>> consultation with several people, I have decided to decommission the >>>>> Orphan Train Riders to Iowa Special Project.  The project has the >>>>> narrowest scope of any project on IAGenWeb and there is very little >>>>> remaining data to be had.  As you know, this has been mentioned in >>>>> the past.  I'm sure there is a bit of hard to find data out there, >>>>> but it doesn't warrant keeping a separate project afloat for it. >>>>> We, of course, can't loose this great data, so I'm going to fold it >>>>> into the History special project. >>>>> >>>>> You probably realize yourself that decommissioning the project must >>>>> be done also, being that you have not been able to find data to add >>>>> to the project in almost 3 years (come February.)  That's just the >>>>> nature of a narrowly focused project like this.  The other >>>>> determination in decommissioning the project is that, because of the >>>>> difficulty of being able to find data to add, the project has and >>>>> will constantly go against our Project Rules, which states "At the >>>>> very least, new transcribed or random data should be added no less >>>>> than twice yearly."  The Project Rules are referenced in our bylaws, >>>>> so we can't go against this clause.  A project cannot be a project >>>>> if data cannot be added. >>>>> >>>>> I am sorry about this, but I hope you understand.  As SC, I can't >>>>> bring myself to continually go against the rules of the IAGenWeb >> project. >>>>> >>>>> I want to thank you so much for the volunteer service you gave to >>>>> this project since July of 2004!  Amazing!  The site has always been >>>>> kept looking good.  We are--and so many researchers are--grateful >>>>> for your service to the project. >>>>> >>>>> Warm regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> IAGenWeb State Coordinator >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STATE-COORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >