I have my thoughts on why the EC is short handed - but I shall not get into that on this board - but words that come to mind are Mutual Respect for Others (or lack thereof) and Communication. Thank you for the offer of help, but I do not have any personal issues with the EC or it's members, but if I did, as a CC and ASC, I would try to work it out with the NENC EC and having failed that, address it to my SC. But I do want to let you know that while assigned to the EC - I had some health issues but had became very ill (life threatening) - The powers to be knew at the time I had both health issues and a job that took me away for weeks at a time, plus I had a part-time job and ran my own business - They also knew that I could be counted on to do my job, as I always had my NENC region up-to-date and checked my email as often as possible. The EC Coordinator was well aware of my circumstances, and had my area covered for me when I was not available, but, In the meantime, many people resigned from the EC over communication issues, and when I did check in about 4 weeks later, there was an email saying that I had been removed from the EC Board, as I had not responded within 2 weeks to an email that was buried within my old email box - but was still getting emails etc - from EC Board, my NENC SCs and ASCs - so communication is important as no one, including me, knew that I had been removed from the EC Board - I think many people assumed I was one of those who resigned - while I am not upset at being removed, as it was done strictly by thebylaws - it did bother me that after being on the board for years - no one bothered to ask my SC what was up. I bring this up to point out that after TWO WEEKS, before delinking, or removing people from their position, how about talking to their SC. It is simple and effective - but it only works when we communicate with each other. I was removed for an "infraction" of not responding to an email - NOT for NOT doing my job. So, they would have had one more person, had I not been removed. Who lost out on that one? I think we should agree to disagree as I strongly feel it is NOT the ECs business to check the administrative issues - The six or more years I was on the EC - I communicated with each one of my SCs as issues came up - if a logo was missing - I let the SC know - if there was a question about qualifications, I let the SC know and usually it was resolved with a day or two - and in return, my SCs in the NENC region always had their quarterly updates in timely, or let me know when I could expect it. There must be some INTERFACE between the the AB, the SCs, the CCs, and the EC if you expect harmony within the organization. If an SC is not doing their job, that is for the NC and the AB to address, not the EC - I have sat on both sides of the fence - and while I can sympathize for the EC (it is a thankless job), however, how can we berate the SC for NOT doing their job, when clearly everyone else is trying to do it for them. To be an effective EC member, you must be able to communicate with your SCs, listen to them, and inform them of problems. And to be an effective SC, you have to be kept informed. Right now, the tail is waggin'g the dog - and the dog doesn't care anymore. CCs are responsible to their SC only - they are administratively responsible to keep their information to the EC updated - SCs are responsible to both the NC and their CCs - for proper administration of the State Gen Web pages they are assigned to. Administratively, they are responsible to the EC to provide an accurate quarterly update of their members, to include email updates, removals, and additions. AB have very specific NATIONAL duties - they should not be dealing directly with anyone unless the SC or a CC askes for help. It is very clear in the bylaws. EC members responsibilities are clearly defined in the bylaws - ARTICLE VII. ELECTION PROCEDURES Section 1. A subcommittee to oversee elections shall be appointed by the Advisory Board. The Elections Subcommittee shall consist of Advisory Board members and volunteers from the members of The USGenWeb Project. Section 2. It shall be the responsibility of the Elections Subcommittee to announce those positions for which nominations are needed. ---the most GLARING conflict is under Elections - it states: Section 6. All members of The USGenWeb Project, excluding Look-Up Volunteers and Transcribers, shall be eligible to vote. I do NOT see where it says the EC will not register them to vote if they don't have a logo on their site or other such "administrative" details. So, I went to the EC Manual - and this is what it says about Eligibility to Vote - C. Eligibility of voters All members of the Project (as defined in USGenWeb By-Laws ARTICLE IV. MEMBERSHIP) shall be eligible to register to vote and to vote in any election or poll in which they are a qualified voter. A requirement that one be a member for at least 30 days prior to the start of an election is acceptable purely on an administrative basis. State-level or Special Project-level voting restrictions shall not affect a member's right to register to vote, and as a registered voter to vote in any national level election or poll. Challenges to a member's eligibility to vote shall in no circumstances be addressed by the EC. The XXGenWeb State Coordinator or Project Coordinator shall address the challenge in a timely fashion so as to allow the person to vote in the current election. If they do not, the person shall be given the benefit of the doubt and allowed to vote. If a Local Coordinator continues to challenge the decision of the State Coordinator, then the matter shall be referred to the regional Advisory Board rep. If the Local Coordinator continues to challenge the decision made by the Regional Advisory Board Representative, then the matter shall be referred to the entire AB. The decision of the entire Advisory Board shall be final. However, should the matter fail to be decided before the end of any election or voting issue, the person shall be given the right to vote by default. Eligible registered voters may vote once for each region or special project position, for which they are eligible, once for national positions including NC and RAL, and once for any national issue that may be placed on a ballot, including but not limited to bylaws amendments. Changing a vote will not be permitted. So, thank you for sharing your opinions, and for respecting mine. Let's get back to genealogy. Take care, R/S MAK ..... MAKtranscriber WoodCoWI CC http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwood PortageCoWI CC http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiportag MonroeCoWI CC http://www.rootsweb.com/~wimonroe WIGenWeb ASC http://wigenweb.org/ .... ----- Original Message ---- From: AnnieG <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, October 10, 2009 6:04:07 PM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Next Agenda Items I would also like to see that MAK. The problem of the EC checking for compliance would not have come about in the first place if all of the SC's had been doing their job. As Sherri said earlier, when Sherri, Denise and I helped to clean up the mess caused by the majority of the EC resigning after being attaced by several persons, we discovered 45 sites with logo errors and 15 with no logo at all. If we could see a list of which counties those were, we would know which SC's are not doing their job. The EC are not to be page police but to simply check the site and refer the errors back to the proper AB of the region. This practice was put into place during the pre-election emergency and we hope to keep it in place when we meet with the EC which is coming up soon on the Agenda. Also please keep in mind, the EC is extremely shorthanded-right now and no one seems to care to volunteer. The members they have left are almost all brand new. If you have a problem with them, you can contact me as AB rep to the EC or Sherri as NC. We are both subscribed to elections list and can contact any of them immediately. We have 3 volunteers to fill about 8 positions so if anyone wants to give us a year, let me, Sherri or Christina Palmer know! AnnieG Ann Allen Geoghegan NWPL-CC Rep

Mak - all this happened after I left the EC.    I think your comments are right on point.  Nancy Janyszeski Bucks County  &  Northampton History and Genealogy http://www.BucksCountyHistory.com http://www.pa-roots.com/~northampton/ http://www.nockamixon.us http://www.pagenweb.org/~bucks/ Spruance Library Bucks County Historical Society --- On Sun, 10/11/09, MAK - Transcriber <[email protected]> wrote: From: MAK - Transcriber <[email protected]> Subject: [STATE-COORD] EC and their authority - To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 12:20 AM I have my thoughts on why the EC is short handed - but I shall not get into that on this board - but words that come to mind are Mutual Respect for Others (or lack thereof) and Communication.  Thank you for the offer of help, but I do not have any personal issues with the EC or it's members, but if I did, as a CC and ASC, I would try to work it out with the NENC EC and having failed that, address it to my SC.  But I do want to let you know that while assigned to the EC - I had some health issues but had became very ill (life threatening) - The powers to be knew at the time I had both health issues and a job that took me away for weeks at a time, plus I had a part-time job and ran my own business - They also knew that I could be counted on to do my job, as I always had my NENC region up-to-date and checked my email as often as possible.  The EC Coordinator was well aware of my circumstances, and had my area covered for me when I was not available, but, In the meantime, many people resigned from the EC over communication issues, and when I did check in about 4 weeks later, there was an email saying that I had been removed from the EC Board, as I had not responded within 2 weeks to an email that was buried within my old email box -   but was still getting emails etc - from EC Board, my NENC SCs and ASCs -  so communication is important as no one, including me, knew that I had been removed from the EC Board - I think many people assumed I was one of those who resigned - while I am not upset at being removed, as it was done strictly by thebylaws - it did bother me that after being on the board for years - no one bothered to ask my SC what was up.  I bring this up to point out that after TWO WEEKS, before delinking, or removing people from their position, how about talking to their SC.  It is simple and effective - but  it only works when we communicate with each other.  I was removed for an "infraction" of not responding to an email - NOT for NOT doing my job.  So, they would have had one more person, had I not been removed.  Who lost out on that one?  I think we should agree to disagree as I strongly feel it is NOT the ECs business to check the administrative issues  - The six or more years I was on the EC - I communicated with each one of my SCs as issues came up - if a logo was missing - I let the SC know - if there was a question about qualifications, I let the SC know and usually it was resolved with a day or two - and in return, my SCs in the NENC region always had their quarterly updates in timely, or let me know when I could expect it.  There must be some INTERFACE between the the AB, the SCs, the CCs, and the EC if you expect harmony within the organization.  If an SC is not doing their job, that is for the NC and the AB to address, not the EC -  I have sat on both sides of the fence - and while I can sympathize for the EC (it is a thankless  job), however, how can we berate the SC for NOT doing their job, when clearly everyone else is trying to do it for them.  To be an effective EC member, you must be able to communicate with your SCs, listen to them, and inform them of problems.  And to be an effective SC, you have to be kept informed.  Right now, the tail is waggin'g the dog - and the dog doesn't care anymore.  CCs are responsible to their SC only - they are administratively responsible to keep their information to the EC updated - SCs are responsible to both the NC and their CCs - for proper administration of the State Gen Web pages they are assigned to.  Administratively, they are responsible to the EC to provide an accurate quarterly update of their members, to include email updates, removals, and additions.  AB have very specific NATIONAL duties - they should not be dealing directly with anyone unless the SC or a CC askes for help.  It is very clear in the bylaws. EC members responsibilities are clearly defined in the bylaws - ARTICLE VII. ELECTION PROCEDURES  Section 1. A subcommittee to oversee elections shall be appointed by  the Advisory Board. The Elections Subcommittee shall consist of Advisory  Board members and volunteers from the members of The USGenWeb Project. Section 2. It shall be the responsibility of the Elections Subcommittee  to announce those positions for which nominations are needed. ---the most GLARING conflict is under Elections - it states: Section 6. All members of The USGenWeb Project, excluding Look-Up Volunteers  and Transcribers, shall be eligible to vote.  I do NOT see where it says the EC will not register them to vote if they don't have a logo on their site or other such "administrative" details.  So, I went to the EC Manual - and this is what it says about Eligibility to Vote - C. Eligibility of voters All members of the Project (as defined in USGenWeb By-Laws ARTICLE IV. MEMBERSHIP) shall be eligible to register to vote and to vote in any election or poll in which they are a qualified voter. A requirement that one be a member for at least 30 days prior to the start  of an election is acceptable purely on an administrative basis. State-level  or Special Project-level voting restrictions shall not affect a member's  right to register to vote, and as a registered voter to vote in any national  level election or poll. Challenges to a member's eligibility to vote shall in no circumstances  be addressed by the EC. The XXGenWeb State Coordinator or Project Coordinator  shall address the challenge in a timely fashion so as to allow the person  to vote in the current election. If they do not, the person shall be given  the benefit of the doubt and allowed to vote. If a Local Coordinator continues  to challenge the decision of the State Coordinator, then the matter shall  be referred to the regional Advisory Board rep. If the Local Coordinator  continues to challenge the decision made by the Regional Advisory Board  Representative, then the matter shall be referred to the entire AB. The  decision of the entire Advisory Board shall be final. However, should  the matter fail to be decided before the end of any election or voting  issue, the person shall be given the right to vote by default. Eligible registered voters may vote once for each region or special project  position, for which they are eligible, once for national positions including  NC and RAL, and once for any national issue that may be placed on a ballot,  including but not limited to bylaws amendments. Changing a vote will not  be permitted. So, thank you for sharing your opinions, and for respecting mine.  Let's get back to genealogy.  Take care, R/S MAK  ..... MAKtranscriber WoodCoWI CC http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwood PortageCoWI CC http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiportag MonroeCoWI CC http://www.rootsweb.com/~wimonroe WIGenWeb ASC http://wigenweb.org/ .... ----- Original Message ---- From: AnnieG <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, October 10, 2009 6:04:07 PM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Next Agenda Items I would also like to see that MAK.  The problem of the EC checking for compliance would not have come about in the first place if all of the SC's had been doing their job. As Sherri said earlier, when Sherri, Denise and I helped to clean up the mess caused by the majority of the EC resigning after being attaced by several persons,  we discovered 45 sites with logo errors and 15 with no logo at all.  If we could see a list of which counties those were, we would know which SC's are not doing their job. The EC are not to be page police but to simply check the site and refer the errors back to the proper AB of the region.  This practice was put into place during the pre-election emergency and we hope to keep it in place when we meet with the EC which is coming up soon on the Agenda. Also please keep in mind, the EC is extremely shorthanded-right now and no one seems to care to volunteer.  The members they have left are almost all brand new.  If you have a problem with them, you can contact me as AB rep to the EC or Sherri as NC.  We are both subscribed to elections list and can contact any of them immediately. We have 3 volunteers to fill about 8 positions so if anyone wants to give us a year, let me, Sherri or Christina Palmer know! AnnieG Ann Allen Geoghegan NWPL-CC Rep       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message