Joe, I need to clarify something - the township and local sites that I was referring to are ones that are recognized by the USGenWeb State Projects - their coordinators are recognized as members of the XXGenWeb State Project and their names submitted to the Election Committee as members and they're allowed to vote. Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of joe patterson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Fw: [ABChat] Next Agenda Items The local coordinator should be required to show a logo IF the town/ city is not part of a county/parish. ONE way to require this is to include independent cities/towns in the definition of CC. On Oct 9, 2009, at 5:39 PM, Tina S. Vickery wrote: >> Because the document is still titled "CC >> Guidelines", there are those Coordinators that do not feel the >> document >> should apply to their sites if they're not county sites. >> Specifically, >> Town and/or Local Project sites are the ones that I heard this from >> most often. Don't we have larger problems than this?? Like a dwindling number of volunteers?? The red white and blue ONLY logos may not fit well with some decors.....?? sizes?? possibly a MINIMUM display size..... but nothing else...... > While visiting sites across the Project, I noticed that although > there are > only four recognized logos (those posted at the link above), some of > our > Project members have either never replaced logos that were in use > prior to > these logos being created and voted on by the members, or have taken > "creative license" with them, modifying the colors, sizes, etc. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sherry - I have read every ones comments - and seems like we have this same conversation every time there is a new NC. So, here are my thoughts - It would be interesting to know how many CC's do have logos as opposed to how many do not and what percent is in the same state/region, before expending all this time and energy to resolve an issue which might be a regionally specific problem, and could be solved by educating that group of individuals. What works for one state / region may not work for another. Specific time restraints - If we were working for a company, 2 weeks sounds very reasonable, but, with all volunteers, there are many valid reasons in which the SC should be allowed to exercise their judgment - I personally don't believe the time restraint should be national's concern - instead, focus on what the SC's options are after they have exhausted every means available to them and still can not get the individual to respond. Townships. local projects, etc - This really needs to be clarified in the by-laws - as some states have the TCs / LCCs as part of the state page, in other states, they have links on their MAIN page to the TC's/ LCC's stand-a-lone pages -and some states link them at the county level. It is logical that the logo be on the main page for TCs/LCCs, as it is for CCs. (Personally, for the researcher - it is wonderful if the logos are on each page - to clearly identify it as the USGenWeb Project or StateGenWeb or CountyGenWeb) As for having the correct Logo, there would be a lot LESS confusion, if there was only ONE logo - However, it is also unreasonable to be expected to redo all your pages, every time someone decides to "change" the logo - Design one that will work with all color schemes and keep it - Branding is a good thing - it easily identifies the organization - Personally, I would be delighted if it could be as easy as having a nicely designed black/white graphic with just the words USGenWeb Project - (so those CC's which want to put it at the top of all their pages, can do so) -. If you check throughout the different states, many of them have designed wonderful banners which work for their states - all national should be doing is providing the national graphics for the SCs to incorporate into their state and CC's pages. How they incorporate it, should be the SC/state's decision. Guess what I am saying is, rather than change the by-laws, Let the SCs and CCs handle it -the vast majority are doing a pretty great job!!! Micro-management does not work - for competent people, it is frustrating at best, as they will follow the rules to the best of their ability, regardless, and communicate problems/solutions to the State Admin list or SC/ASC. No matter what the "rule", there will always be the 1% who will be problematic. Just my thoughts - R/S MAK "If you try to please all the people, all the time, you will end up pleasing none of the people all of the time." ..... MAKtranscriber WIGenWeb ASC http://wigenweb.org/ WoodCoWI CC http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwood PortageCoWI CC http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiportag MonroeCoWI CC http://www.rootsweb.com/~wimonroe ----- Original Message ---- From: Sherri <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, October 10, 2009 8:12:27 AM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Fw: [ABChat] Next Agenda Items

I would also like to see that MAK. The problem of the EC checking for compliance would not have come about in the first place if all of the SC's had been doing their job. As Sherri said earlier, when Sherri, Denise and I helped to clean up the mess caused by the majority of the EC resigning after being attaced by several persons, we discovered 45 sites with logo errors and 15 with no logo at all. If we could see a list of which counties those were, we would know which SC's are not doing their job. The EC are not to be page police but to simply check the site and refer the errors back to the proper AB of the region. This practice was put into place during the pre-election emergency and we hope to keep it in place when we meet with the EC which is coming up soon on the Agenda. Also please keep in mind, the EC is extremely shorthanded-right now and no one seems to care to volunteer. The members they have left are almost all brand new. If you have a problem with them, you can contact me as AB rep to the EC or Sherri as NC. We are both subscribed to elections list and can contact any of them immediately. We have 3 volunteers to fill about 8 positions so if anyone wants to give us a year, let me, Sherri or Christina Palmer know! AnnieG Ann Allen Geoghegan NWPL-CC Rep ----- Original Message ----- From: "MAK - Transcriber" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: [STATE-COORD] Next Agenda Items > Sherry - I have read every ones comments - and seems like we have this > same conversation every time there is a new NC. So, here are my > thoughts - > > It would be interesting to know how many CC's do have logos as opposed > to how many do not and what percent is in the same state/region, before > expending all this time and energy to resolve an issue which might be a > regionally specific problem, and could be solved by educating that > group of individuals. What works for one state / region may not work for > another. > > Specific time restraints - If we were working for a company, 2 weeks > sounds very reasonable, but, with all volunteers, there are many valid > reasons in which the SC should be allowed to exercise their judgment - I > personally don't believe the time restraint should be national's concern - > instead, focus on what the SC's options are after they have exhausted > every means available to them and still can not get the individual to > respond. > > Townships. local projects, etc - This really needs to be clarified in the > by-laws - as some states have the TCs / LCCs as part of the state page, in > other states, they have links on their MAIN page to the TC's/ LCC's > stand-a-lone pages -and some states link them at the county level. It is > logical that the logo be on the main page for TCs/LCCs, as it is for CCs. > (Personally, for the researcher - it is wonderful if the logos are on each > page - to clearly identify it as the USGenWeb Project or StateGenWeb or > CountyGenWeb) > > As for having the correct Logo, there would be a lot LESS confusion, if > there was only ONE logo - However, it is also unreasonable to be expected > to redo all your pages, every time someone decides to "change" the logo - > Design one that will work with all color schemes and keep it - Branding is > a good thing - it easily identifies the organization - > > Personally, I would be delighted if it could be as easy as having a nicely > designed black/white graphic with just the words USGenWeb Project - (so > those CC's which want to put it at the top of all their pages, can do > so) -. If you check throughout the different states, many of them have > designed wonderful banners which work for their states - all national > should be doing is providing the national graphics for the SCs to > incorporate into their state and CC's pages. How they incorporate it, > should be the SC/state's decision. > > Guess what I am saying is, rather than change the by-laws, Let the SCs and > CCs handle it -the vast majority are doing a pretty great job!!! > Micro-management does not work - for competent people, it is > frustrating at best, as they will follow the rules to the best of > their ability, regardless, and communicate problems/solutions to the > State Admin list or SC/ASC. No matter what the "rule", there will > always be the 1% who will be problematic. > > Just my thoughts - R/S MAK > > "If you try to please all the people, all > the time, you will end up pleasing none of the people all of the time." > ..... > > > MAKtranscriber > WIGenWeb ASC http://wigenweb.org/ > WoodCoWI CC http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwood > PortageCoWI CC http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiportag > MonroeCoWI CC http://www.rootsweb.com/~wimonroe > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sherri <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, October 10, 2009 8:12:27 AM > Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Fw: [ABChat] Next Agenda Items > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message