This is an open invitation to all USGenWeb members so please post on your state mail list. The TXGenWeb is proud to announce our 15th Annual Conference in Plano, TX on April 6, 2013. We will have guest speakers, door prizes, and a great time. The presentations will be of interest to all CC's and everyone is invited to come join us. For more information, please contact Shirley Cullum at shirlcullum@gmail.com. Shirley Cullum TXGenWeb State Coordinator

Could the NC please contact me off-list @ blindgenealogist@gmail.com. I need to speak to you about an issue. Thanks, Matt Friend IDGenWeb SC -- *Matthew D. Friend* Conway, Arkansas Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/MatthewDFriend Twitter: @matthewdfriend

Steve -- if you are going to decommission the site the least you, Debbie and Constance can do is not to mutilate my work! This is not my work and is a disgrace to the IAGenWeb Project! You all need to get a grip! I couldn't be more disgusted if I tried. You should be ashamed of yourselves!. Take the site down IMMEDIATELY. It is my work and my work does not look like this! You do NOT have my permission to place it on the history site. You even redirected the url.. SHAME on you! I certainly hope all have more respect and consideration for your other volunteers, you have shown none to me. http://iagenweb.org/history/orphans/ is disgusting. My work from 2004 without complaint is reduced to horrendous! Tina Tina Tina Vickery On 1/6/13, Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> wrote: > I brought this to the attention of the project not so much that it was > done, but the *manner* in which is was done. It’s not like this was a > new Special Project that failed to meet the State requirements. The > Special Project passed all Special Project reviews with the exception > of one when I broke my hip and was out of commission for a period of > time. Even then, I was afforded the opportunity to bring it up to > date and continue. As I believe Norma stated, this project was > started by Madonna Harris, now deceased. I took the project > admittedly for the “close to my heart” plight of these children, and > there by the grace of God go my twin and myself. If I recall > correctly, I didn’t volunteer, I was approached by the then State > Coordinator to take it over. I put together what I felt was a very > viable and informative face for the Project > > I have worked hard on that site. Perhaps not following all of the > random data and new data requirements but I and certainly no volunteer > of the IA or the USGenWeb Project deserves to be summarily dismissed > without cause and without notice. Admittedly, it is a limited period > of history *but* an important one. The SC stated that it would be > decommissioned and folded into the History Project. I wasn’t even > afforded the opportunity to participate in the History Project. I > was, prior to the SC’s note to me decommissioning the project, > summarily unsubbed from the IAGenWeb state list and the passwords > were changed on the account. Ten hours later, the SC informs me I am > dismissed -- a full ten hours. > > That is just plain, wrong. > > Tina > > On 1/6/13, Nancy_Janyszeski <nancyjanyszeski@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Frankly I can't believe what I am reading. We have a project that has >> offerered invaluable information by a long standing volunteer to the >> USGenWeb. The scope of the project is such that because of the hard work >> of >> this volunteer all most all of the available data has been found, >> submitted >> and posted. >> >> The result of which is see words like... >> >> decommissioning the project >> Project Rules >> violated >> go against the rules >> >> In addition - if I understand correctly the USGenWeb rules trump state >> rules >> (I am not the expert on this, so I don't need to be hit on the head) >> >> This is sad and a very bad example for our record of what can happen to >> someone or the results of their hard work. >> >> Very, very insensitive. >> >> ~ Nancy >>>>PA SC >>>> >>>> >

I brought this to the attention of the project not so much that it was done, but the *manner* in which is was done. It’s not like this was a new Special Project that failed to meet the State requirements. The Special Project passed all Special Project reviews with the exception of one when I broke my hip and was out of commission for a period of time. Even then, I was afforded the opportunity to bring it up to date and continue. As I believe Norma stated, this project was started by Madonna Harris, now deceased. I took the project admittedly for the “close to my heart” plight of these children, and there by the grace of God go my twin and myself. If I recall correctly, I didn’t volunteer, I was approached by the then State Coordinator to take it over. I put together what I felt was a very viable and informative face for the Project I have worked hard on that site. Perhaps not following all of the random data and new data requirements but I and certainly no volunteer of the IA or the USGenWeb Project deserves to be summarily dismissed without cause and without notice. Admittedly, it is a limited period of history *but* an important one. The SC stated that it would be decommissioned and folded into the History Project. I wasn’t even afforded the opportunity to participate in the History Project. I was, prior to the SC’s note to me decommissioning the project, summarily unsubbed from the IAGenWeb state list and the passwords were changed on the account. Ten hours later, the SC informs me I am dismissed -- a full ten hours. That is just plain, wrong. Tina On 1/6/13, Nancy_Janyszeski <nancyjanyszeski@yahoo.com> wrote: > Frankly I can't believe what I am reading. We have a project that has > offerered invaluable information by a long standing volunteer to the > USGenWeb. The scope of the project is such that because of the hard work of > this volunteer all most all of the available data has been found, submitted > and posted. > > The result of which is see words like... > > decommissioning the project > Project Rules > violated > go against the rules > > In addition - if I understand correctly the USGenWeb rules trump state rules > (I am not the expert on this, so I don't need to be hit on the head) > > This is sad and a very bad example for our record of what can happen to > someone or the results of their hard work. > > Very, very insensitive. > > ~ Nancy >>>PA SC >>> >>>

Let me see if I got this right. I create a web site for the Civil War for IAGenWeb. I transcribe all of the rosters, the GAR and UCV posts, draft registrations, pension applications, regimental histories, diaries, letters from soldiers, and compile lists of all the Civil War soldiers, both Union and Confederate who ever lived in Iowa. Then the state coordinator can commandeer the whole body of work (and do with it what he/she wills) because there is no new material to be added and can kick me out for not updating my site. News flash!! The Civil War is over. There is no new material. The USGenWeb By-Laws state that the creator of a site is the owner. Question: Did IAGenWeb get Tina's permission to use her materials? ________________________________ From: Pat Asher <swsc.ccrep@att.net> To: state-coord@rootsweb.com; usgenweb-sw@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Fwd: Orphan Train Riders in Iowa project At 10:19 PM 1/5/2013, Tina Vickery wrote: >The State Coordinator of IAGenWeb Project is more interested in rules >and bylaws than a period in history that is extraordinary in IA and >other states. If a "Special Project" is created knowing that there is a finite amount of data that can be added, then it is CREATED as an exception to an existing rule requiring continuing additions. If the rule requiring ongoing additions of data was enacted subsequent to the creation of the Special Project, then the existing Project should be grandfathered unless other provisions were adopted at the time of instituting the new rule. However, the above begs the question of whether someone who is no longer actively contributing to the State Project should retain all of the perks of membership in that Project, e.g. the right to debate, run for office, vote, etc. Pat Asher ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STATE-COORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 01/06/2013 05:02 PM, Pat Asher wrote: > At 05:17 PM 1/6/2013, Norma Jennings wrote: >> However, my main point here is in response to the question "how many >> of you have Counties >> in your States that have not been updated in some time?" Not >> Iowa! Our county sites MUST >> have new data and all broken links repaired at our April and October >> reviews. Update it or lose it. >> High standards are what makes us one of the best sites in the >> nation to do genealogical research. > And what if you can't find any new information to add? > > Failure to update doesn't mean you are not looking for that new data > -- but, if you have been diligent about looking and adding everything > you find, whether a CC or a Special Project Coordinator, you may > eventually hit a brick wall. I CC one county where that is the case > for me. I have not been able to add anything for six months because > my trolling for new data has been fruitless. So, since I worked for > 4 years increasing the site I inherited from 150 to more than 900 > pages of real data, I am now to be penalized because I have > transcribed and posted everything I have found? > > IMPO, inflexible rules about "adding new data" in a particular > timeframe are nonsensical and can be counter-productive. All of us > know that know matter how hard you look, there will always be dry > spells in our accumulation/discovery of data. And applying "general" > rules to a special project makes even less sense than that. > > > Pat Asher OR, you have a county like one I have. In the entire history of the county the population density has never been over 3 people per square mile. It consists of 2004 sq. miles of land and a population of 4, 812 [ 2010 ], of which 3,009 [ 2010 ] live in the only city in the county. The largest population ever in the county probably never amounted to much more than 6,000, and that may be counting the dogs and cats. To say that not much ever happens there is an understatement. Kind of hard to enter information when nothing ever happens/happened. -- “The only difference between death and taxes is that death doesn't get worse every time Congress meets.” — Will Rogers _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

At 05:17 PM 1/6/2013, Norma Jennings wrote: >However, my main point here is in response to the question "how many >of you have Counties >in your States that have not been updated in some time?" Not >Iowa! Our county sites MUST >have new data and all broken links repaired at our April and October >reviews. Update it or lose it. >High standards are what makes us one of the best sites in the >nation to do genealogical research. And what if you can't find any new information to add? Failure to update doesn't mean you are not looking for that new data -- but, if you have been diligent about looking and adding everything you find, whether a CC or a Special Project Coordinator, you may eventually hit a brick wall. I CC one county where that is the case for me. I have not been able to add anything for six months because my trolling for new data has been fruitless. So, since I worked for 4 years increasing the site I inherited from 150 to more than 900 pages of real data, I am now to be penalized because I have transcribed and posted everything I have found? IMPO, inflexible rules about "adding new data" in a particular timeframe are nonsensical and can be counter-productive. All of us know that know matter how hard you look, there will always be dry spells in our accumulation/discovery of data. And applying "general" rules to a special project makes even less sense than that. Pat Asher

At 05:17 PM 1/6/2013, Norma Jennings wrote: >However, my main point here is in response to the question "how many >of you have Counties >in your States that have not been updated in some time?" Not >Iowa! Our county sites MUST >have new data and all broken links repaired at our April and October >reviews. Update it or lose it. >High standards are what makes us one of the best sites in the >nation to do genealogical research. And what if you can't find any new information to add? Failure to update doesn't mean you are not looking for that new data -- but, if you have been diligent about looking and adding everything you find, whether a CC or a Special Project Coordinator, you may eventually hit a brick wall. I CC one county where that is the case for me. I have not been able to add anything for six months because my trolling for new data has been fruitless. So, since I worked for 4 years increasing the site I inherited from 150 to more than 900 pages of real data, I am now to be penalized because I have transcribed and posted everything I have found? IMPO, inflexible rules about "adding new data" in a particular timeframe are nonsensical and can be counter-productive. All of us know that know matter how hard you look, there will always be dry spells in our accumulation/discovery of data. And applying "general" rules to a special project makes even less sense than that. Pat Asher

I agree with Nancy. The idea of having a Special Project is just that, it should be treated differently than a regular County Project. Special Projects in their name alone tells me that it is something that may have a limited amount of material because of the subject that it is pursuing. If it has been authorized long ago and has as much material as is included on it such as the Orphan Train Riders, for instance, it should be grandfathered in before any rules to the contrary, and any State which has the vast amount of materials such as this, ought to be proud of it and accept it for what it is. It seems pretty foolish to completely "decommission" a special project when it is understood from the beginning that it is not one that is going to necessarily always have materials added. How many of you have such Projects included in your States which have not been updated in some time? For that matter, how many of you have Counties in your States that have not been updated in some time? Deloris Williams NCGenWeb-ASC -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nancy_Janyszeski" <nancyjanyszeski@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 1:05 PM To: <state-coord@rootsweb.com>; "usgenweb-discuss" <usgenweb-discuss@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [USGENWEB-DISCUSS] [STATE-COORD] Fwd: Orphan Train Riders inIowa project > Frankly I can't believe what I am reading. We have a project that has > offerered invaluable information by a long standing volunteer to the > USGenWeb. The scope of the project is such that because of the hard work > of this volunteer all most all of the available data has been found, > submitted and posted. > > The result of which is see words like... > > decommissioning the project > Project Rules > violated > go against the rules > > In addition - if I understand correctly the USGenWeb rules trump state > rules (I am not the expert on this, so I don't need to be hit on the head) > > This is sad and a very bad example for our record of what can happen to > someone or the results of their hard work. > > Very, very insensitive. > > ~ Nancy >>>PA SC >>> >>> > > >>________________________________ >> From: Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> >>To: state-coord <state-coord@rootsweb.com>; usgenweb-discuss >><usgenweb-discuss@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 10:19 PM >>Subject: [STATE-COORD] Fwd: Orphan Train Riders in Iowa project >> >>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>From: Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> >>Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:41:06 -0500 >>Subject: Fwd: Orphan Train Riders in Iowa project >>To: iowa-l@rootsweb.com >> >>The State Coordinator of IAGenWeb Project is more interested in rules >>and bylaws than a period in history that is extraordinary in IA and >>other states. Gertrude Bell, I am sorry. >> >>http://iagenweb.org/iaorphans/ >>http://iagenweb.org/iaorphans/logo.shtml >> >>Thank you all for your support. >> >>Tina Vickery >> >>

Frankly I can't believe what I am reading.  We have a project that has offerered invaluable information by a long standing volunteer to the USGenWeb.  The scope of the project is such that because of the hard work of this volunteer all most all of the available data has been found, submitted and posted.   The result of which is see words like...   decommissioning the project Project Rules violated go against the rules   In addition - if I understand correctly the USGenWeb rules trump state rules (I am not the expert on this, so I don't need to be hit on the head)   This is sad and a very bad example for our record of what can happen to someone or the results of their  hard work.    Very, very insensitive. ~ Nancy  >>PA SC >> >>  >________________________________ > From: Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> >To: state-coord <state-coord@rootsweb.com>; usgenweb-discuss <usgenweb-discuss@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 10:19 PM >Subject: [STATE-COORD] Fwd: Orphan Train Riders in Iowa project > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> >Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:41:06 -0500 >Subject: Fwd: Orphan Train Riders in Iowa project >To: iowa-l@rootsweb.com > >The State Coordinator of IAGenWeb Project is more interested in rules >and bylaws than a period in history that is extraordinary in IA and >other states.  Gertrude Bell, I am sorry. > >http://iagenweb.org/iaorphans/ >http://iagenweb.org/iaorphans/logo.shtml > >Thank you all for your support. > >Tina Vickery > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> >Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:25:30 -0500 >Subject: Re: Orphan Train Riders in Iowa project >To: sdwilliams@leafglow.com >Cc: Constance Hall <connihall28@yahoo.com>, Ralph Leonard ><rleonard2509@live.com> > >Steve, > >Whatever, your mind is made up.  I will NOT let this rest.  If you can >do this to me, you can certainly do this to others.  I hope you are >proud of yourself.  You blindside a volunteer and leave them no >recourse .. think again! > >On 1/5/13, Steve Williams <sdwilliams@leafglow.com> wrote: >> Tina, >> >> I am just back from being gone all day up to now. >> >> I truly am sorry you feel this way.  A discussion would not have changed >> the result, as I knew what must be done with the project.  It was clear >> the project could not exist if it violated our bylaws year after year. >> Any SC would be forced to make the same decision because of this.  I would >> have failed in my job otherwise. >> >> It has been a customary practice to update records etc before giving >> notice.  It was a mistake on our part that you received an unsub notice >> prior to my note.  I apologize for that.  It's something I will try not to >> let happen again. >> >> It is clear that the bylaws/project rules were violated when you were >> passed on your last review: "At the >> very least, new transcribed or random data should be added no less than >> twice yearly."  It was probably thought there was nothing else to add, so >> you should be passed.  Well, like I said, that violated the rules. >> >> I could have handled this better, but the results would have been the >> same. >> >> I really do appreciate the work you've done on the project and that it was >> dear to your heart. >> >> You are always welcome to apply for a county project if you have an >> interest there. >> >> All the best, >> >> Steve >> IAGenWeb State Coordinator >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tina Vickery [mailto:tsvickery@gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 10:46 AM >> To: sdwilliams@leafglow.com >> Cc: Constance Hall; Ralph Leonard >> Subject: Re: Orphan Train Riders in Iowa project >> >> Amazing, I don't even get the curtesy of a reply .. You all need to learn >> leadership skills. >> >> Tina >> >> On 1/4/13, Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Dear Steve, >>> >>> The more I think about this the angrier I am.  I can't fathom why you >>> would do this with no discussion with me.  Would you, please and thank >>> you, explain that to me? >>> >>> Why did I get unsubbed from the mailing list PRIOR to your note to me? >>>  Why wasn't I involved/included in the decision making process?  Why >>> was my last Special Project review passed?  I can provide you a copy. >>> >>> I do realize that this is a very limited scope of history, but it is >>> near and dear to my heart.  You may not know this about me, but my >>> twin  brother and I grew up as foster children from birth.  We were >>> lucky, while never adopted, we live and love and are a member of that >>> family.  I have two sisters, my twin, seven niecies and nephews, 10 >>> greats with that same family to the present.  They call me Aunt T. >>> They are my family.  I identify with the children on the Orphan Train. >>>  In a different era, my twin and I would have been featured on the >>> pages. >>> >>> I am stunned that you would summarily dismiss me with not even the >>> curtsey of discussion with me.  I want to understand.  Please explain. >>> >>> Tina >>> >>> On 1/4/13, Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Dear Steve, >>>> >>>> Is that why I was summarily unsubscribed from the IAGenWeb Project >>>> mailing list at 9:28 am this morning.  No discussion with me, just >>>> poof, the decision made?  Wow, I hope you conduct your business with >>>> other long standing volunteers better than that!  It is rude and very >>>> unprofessional.  I am not dissapointed, I am angry and disgusted! >>>> >>>> I wish you all the best.  Good luck in the future. >>>> >>>> >>>> Tina Vickery >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/4/13, Steve Williams <sdwilliams@leafglow.com> wrote: >>>>> Dear Tina, >>>>> >>>>> I hope you are doing well. >>>>> >>>>> I know this will be very disappointing to you, but after >>>>> consultation with several people, I have decided to decommission the >>>>> Orphan Train Riders to Iowa Special Project.  The project has the >>>>> narrowest scope of any project on IAGenWeb and there is very little >>>>> remaining data to be had.  As you know, this has been mentioned in >>>>> the past.  I'm sure there is a bit of hard to find data out there, >>>>> but it doesn't warrant keeping a separate project afloat for it. >>>>> We, of course, can't loose this great data, so I'm going to fold it >>>>> into the History special project. >>>>> >>>>> You probably realize yourself that decommissioning the project must >>>>> be done also, being that you have not been able to find data to add >>>>> to the project in almost 3 years (come February.)  That's just the >>>>> nature of a narrowly focused project like this.  The other >>>>> determination in decommissioning the project is that, because of the >>>>> difficulty of being able to find data to add, the project has and >>>>> will constantly go against our Project Rules, which states "At the >>>>> very least, new transcribed or random data should be added no less >>>>> than twice yearly."  The Project Rules are referenced in our bylaws, >>>>> so we can't go against this clause.  A project cannot be a project >>>>> if data cannot be added. >>>>> >>>>> I am sorry about this, but I hope you understand.  As SC, I can't >>>>> bring myself to continually go against the rules of the IAGenWeb >> project. >>>>> >>>>> I want to thank you so much for the volunteer service you gave to >>>>> this project since July of 2004!  Amazing!  The site has always been >>>>> kept looking good.  We are--and so many researchers are--grateful >>>>> for your service to the project. >>>>> >>>>> Warm regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> IAGenWeb State Coordinator >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STATE-COORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

At 10:19 PM 1/5/2013, Tina Vickery wrote: >The State Coordinator of IAGenWeb Project is more interested in rules >and bylaws than a period in history that is extraordinary in IA and >other states. If a "Special Project" is created knowing that there is a finite amount of data that can be added, then it is CREATED as an exception to an existing rule requiring continuing additions. If the rule requiring ongoing additions of data was enacted subsequent to the creation of the Special Project, then the existing Project should be grandfathered unless other provisions were adopted at the time of instituting the new rule. However, the above begs the question of whether someone who is no longer actively contributing to the State Project should retain all of the perks of membership in that Project, e.g. the right to debate, run for office, vote, etc. Pat Asher

Then do I just extract his stuff off his website and move them to my server? All of his stuff is on Rootsweb server not my Bluehost server. Yes, I will talk with my ASC about this and others if necessary. I am hoping to avoid this kind of confrontation. But I can email he once more with a ultimatum. We have not state by-laws unless you are speaking of the USGenWeb by-laws. Matt Friend On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Gail Kilgore <gail.kilgore@gmail.com>wrote: > Like with IA they have member voted on by-laws, the states that don't have > this behind them you can unlink them, take their counties and risk a > grievance filed against you, ask your ASC about that. > > Gail > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Matthew D. Friend < > blindgenealogist@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I have a question for you folks! I have been trying to get my CCs to > update > > their website to a more current year status. I have gotten nearly all to > do > > so, however, one say he going to but never does. I have asked him several > > times and still the same page as before. > > > > I haven't been able to get him to email me for the past month now to see > > what is going on that he isn't doing his job to updating his pages. I've > > talked to Mike St. Clair (last SC) and he had the same problem with him > > when this guy was the SC before him. Basically, he goes or have gone MIA > > from the group. > > > > Now, I am faced with nearly 15 counties without someone to adopt them to > be > > taken care of. Any suggest on how to get people to join the team? > > > > Thanks for your time, > > Matt Friend > > IDGenWeb Project SC > > http:/idgenweb.org/ > > > > -- > > *Matthew D. Friend* > > Conway, Arkansas > > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/MatthewDFriend > > Twitter: @matthewdfriend > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STATE-COORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > When the door of happiness closes, another opens, but often times we look > so long at the closed door that we don't see the one which has been opened > for us. > > *Trails to the Past* > *http://trailstothepast.org* <http://trailstothepast.org> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STATE-COORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Matthew D. Friend* Conway, Arkansas Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/MatthewDFriend Twitter: @matthewdfriend

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:41:06 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Orphan Train Riders in Iowa project To: iowa-l@rootsweb.com The State Coordinator of IAGenWeb Project is more interested in rules and bylaws than a period in history that is extraordinary in IA and other states. Gertrude Bell, I am sorry. http://iagenweb.org/iaorphans/ http://iagenweb.org/iaorphans/logo.shtml Thank you all for your support. Tina Vickery ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:25:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Orphan Train Riders in Iowa project To: sdwilliams@leafglow.com Cc: Constance Hall <connihall28@yahoo.com>, Ralph Leonard <rleonard2509@live.com> Steve, Whatever, your mind is made up. I will NOT let this rest. If you can do this to me, you can certainly do this to others. I hope you are proud of yourself. You blindside a volunteer and leave them no recourse .. think again! On 1/5/13, Steve Williams <sdwilliams@leafglow.com> wrote: > Tina, > > I am just back from being gone all day up to now. > > I truly am sorry you feel this way. A discussion would not have changed > the result, as I knew what must be done with the project. It was clear > the project could not exist if it violated our bylaws year after year. > Any SC would be forced to make the same decision because of this. I would > have failed in my job otherwise. > > It has been a customary practice to update records etc before giving > notice. It was a mistake on our part that you received an unsub notice > prior to my note. I apologize for that. It's something I will try not to > let happen again. > > It is clear that the bylaws/project rules were violated when you were > passed on your last review: "At the > very least, new transcribed or random data should be added no less than > twice yearly." It was probably thought there was nothing else to add, so > you should be passed. Well, like I said, that violated the rules. > > I could have handled this better, but the results would have been the > same. > > I really do appreciate the work you've done on the project and that it was > dear to your heart. > > You are always welcome to apply for a county project if you have an > interest there. > > All the best, > > Steve > IAGenWeb State Coordinator > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tina Vickery [mailto:tsvickery@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 10:46 AM > To: sdwilliams@leafglow.com > Cc: Constance Hall; Ralph Leonard > Subject: Re: Orphan Train Riders in Iowa project > > Amazing, I don't even get the curtesy of a reply .. You all need to learn > leadership skills. > > Tina > > On 1/4/13, Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> wrote: >> Dear Steve, >> >> The more I think about this the angrier I am. I can't fathom why you >> would do this with no discussion with me. Would you, please and thank >> you, explain that to me? >> >> Why did I get unsubbed from the mailing list PRIOR to your note to me? >> Why wasn't I involved/included in the decision making process? Why >> was my last Special Project review passed? I can provide you a copy. >> >> I do realize that this is a very limited scope of history, but it is >> near and dear to my heart. You may not know this about me, but my >> twin brother and I grew up as foster children from birth. We were >> lucky, while never adopted, we live and love and are a member of that >> family. I have two sisters, my twin, seven niecies and nephews, 10 >> greats with that same family to the present. They call me Aunt T. >> They are my family. I identify with the children on the Orphan Train. >> In a different era, my twin and I would have been featured on the >> pages. >> >> I am stunned that you would summarily dismiss me with not even the >> curtsey of discussion with me. I want to understand. Please explain. >> >> Tina >> >> On 1/4/13, Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Dear Steve, >>> >>> Is that why I was summarily unsubscribed from the IAGenWeb Project >>> mailing list at 9:28 am this morning. No discussion with me, just >>> poof, the decision made? Wow, I hope you conduct your business with >>> other long standing volunteers better than that! It is rude and very >>> unprofessional. I am not dissapointed, I am angry and disgusted! >>> >>> I wish you all the best. Good luck in the future. >>> >>> >>> Tina Vickery >>> >>> >>> On 1/4/13, Steve Williams <sdwilliams@leafglow.com> wrote: >>>> Dear Tina, >>>> >>>> I hope you are doing well. >>>> >>>> I know this will be very disappointing to you, but after >>>> consultation with several people, I have decided to decommission the >>>> Orphan Train Riders to Iowa Special Project. The project has the >>>> narrowest scope of any project on IAGenWeb and there is very little >>>> remaining data to be had. As you know, this has been mentioned in >>>> the past. I'm sure there is a bit of hard to find data out there, >>>> but it doesn't warrant keeping a separate project afloat for it. >>>> We, of course, can't loose this great data, so I'm going to fold it >>>> into the History special project. >>>> >>>> You probably realize yourself that decommissioning the project must >>>> be done also, being that you have not been able to find data to add >>>> to the project in almost 3 years (come February.) That's just the >>>> nature of a narrowly focused project like this. The other >>>> determination in decommissioning the project is that, because of the >>>> difficulty of being able to find data to add, the project has and >>>> will constantly go against our Project Rules, which states "At the >>>> very least, new transcribed or random data should be added no less >>>> than twice yearly." The Project Rules are referenced in our bylaws, >>>> so we can't go against this clause. A project cannot be a project >>>> if data cannot be added. >>>> >>>> I am sorry about this, but I hope you understand. As SC, I can't >>>> bring myself to continually go against the rules of the IAGenWeb > project. >>>> >>>> I want to thank you so much for the volunteer service you gave to >>>> this project since July of 2004! Amazing! The site has always been >>>> kept looking good. We are--and so many researchers are--grateful >>>> for your service to the project. >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> IAGenWeb State Coordinator >>>> >>> >> > >

If you have the emails that you have sent him and sent him, then send those to Gerhard and ask that the password for his site be turned over to you. Then Gerhard will try and contact him and if there is no response, Gerhard will issue you the password to his site. Do it the right way, do not take his material off his site, remember the site belongs to the CC's but if he is MIA then Gerhard will help. Gail On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Nancy_Janyszeski <nancyjanyszeski@yahoo.com > wrote: > One of the most important steps is documenting. Hopefully you have a > history of all the time you reached out to try and get a response. > > Is it the date not being updated or the data? > > One of the stipulations of being a CC is responding and being available. > > http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/guidelines.shtml > > All Coordinators are expected to respond to public and/or > county coordinator inquiries within a reasonable timeframe. > > ~ Nancy > >> > >>BucksCountyHistory > >>Bucks GenWeb > >>Northampton > >>Nockamixon > >>Research Library > > > >________________________________ > > From: Matthew D. Friend <blindgenealogist@gmail.com> > >To: state-coord@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 11:22 PM > >Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] I Have a Question > > > >Then do I just extract his stuff off his website and move them to my > >server? All of his stuff is on Rootsweb server not my Bluehost server. > > > >Yes, I will talk with my ASC about this and others if necessary. I am > >hoping to avoid this kind of confrontation. But I can email he once more > >with a ultimatum. > > > >We have not state by-laws unless you are speaking of the USGenWeb by-laws. > > > >Matt Friend > > > >On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Gail Kilgore <gail.kilgore@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > >> Like with IA they have member voted on by-laws, the states that don't > have > >> this behind them you can unlink them, take their counties and risk a > >> grievance filed against you, ask your ASC about that. > >> > >> Gail > >> > >> On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Matthew D. Friend < > >> blindgenealogist@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > I have a question for you folks! I have been trying to get my CCs to > >> update > >> > their website to a more current year status. I have gotten nearly all > to > >> do > >> > so, however, one say he going to but never does. I have asked him > several > >> > times and still the same page as before. > >> > > >> > I haven't been able to get him to email me for the past month now to > see > >> > what is going on that he isn't doing his job to updating his pages. > I've > >> > talked to Mike St. Clair (last SC) and he had the same problem with > him > >> > when this guy was the SC before him. Basically, he goes or have gone > MIA > >> > from the group. > >> > > >> > Now, I am faced with nearly 15 counties without someone to adopt them > to > >> be > >> > taken care of. Any suggest on how to get people to join the team? > >> > > >> > Thanks for your time, > >> > Matt Friend > >> > IDGenWeb Project SC > >> > http:/idgenweb.org/ > >> > > >> > -- > >> > *Matthew D. Friend* > >> > Conway, Arkansas > >> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/MatthewDFriend > >> > Twitter: @matthewdfriend > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > STATE-COORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> When the door of happiness closes, another opens, but often times we > look > >> so long at the closed door that we don't see the one which has been > opened > >> for us. > >> > >> *Trails to the Past* > >> *http://trailstothepast.org* <http://trailstothepast.org> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> STATE-COORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > >-- > >*Matthew D. Friend* > >Conway, Arkansas > >Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/MatthewDFriend > >Twitter: @matthewdfriend > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STATE-COORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STATE-COORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- When the door of happiness closes, another opens, but often times we look so long at the closed door that we don't see the one which has been opened for us. *Trails to the Past* *http://trailstothepast.org* <http://trailstothepast.org>

I have a question for you folks! I have been trying to get my CCs to update their website to a more current year status. I have gotten nearly all to do so, however, one say he going to but never does. I have asked him several times and still the same page as before. I haven't been able to get him to email me for the past month now to see what is going on that he isn't doing his job to updating his pages. I've talked to Mike St. Clair (last SC) and he had the same problem with him when this guy was the SC before him. Basically, he goes or have gone MIA from the group. Now, I am faced with nearly 15 counties without someone to adopt them to be taken care of. Any suggest on how to get people to join the team? Thanks for your time, Matt Friend IDGenWeb Project SC http:/idgenweb.org/ -- *Matthew D. Friend* Conway, Arkansas Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/MatthewDFriend Twitter: @matthewdfriend

One of the most important steps is documenting.  Hopefully you have a history of all the time you reached out to try and get a response.   Is it the date not being updated or the data?    One of the stipulations of being a CC is responding and being available.   http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/guidelines.shtml   All Coordinators are expected to respond to public and/or county coordinator inquiries within a reasonable timeframe. ~ Nancy  >> >>BucksCountyHistory >>Bucks GenWeb  >>Northampton  >>Nockamixon  >>Research Library >________________________________ > From: Matthew D. Friend <blindgenealogist@gmail.com> >To: state-coord@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 11:22 PM >Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] I Have a Question > >Then do I just extract his stuff off his website and move them to my >server? All of his stuff is on Rootsweb server not my Bluehost server. > >Yes, I will talk with my ASC about this and others if necessary. I am >hoping to avoid this kind of confrontation. But I can email he once more >with a ultimatum. > >We have not state by-laws unless you are speaking of the USGenWeb by-laws. > >Matt Friend > >On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Gail Kilgore <gail.kilgore@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Like with IA they have member voted on by-laws, the states that don't have >> this behind them you can unlink them, take their counties and risk a >> grievance filed against you, ask your ASC about that. >> >> Gail >> >> On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Matthew D. Friend < >> blindgenealogist@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > I have a question for you folks! I have been trying to get my CCs to >> update >> > their website to a more current year status. I have gotten nearly all to >> do >> > so, however, one say he going to but never does. I have asked him several >> > times and still the same page as before. >> > >> > I haven't been able to get him to email me for the past month now to see >> > what is going on that he isn't doing his job to updating his pages. I've >> > talked to Mike St. Clair (last SC) and he had the same problem with him >> > when this guy was the SC before him. Basically, he goes or have gone MIA >> > from the group. >> > >> > Now, I am faced with nearly 15 counties without someone to adopt them to >> be >> > taken care of. Any suggest on how to get people to join the team? >> > >> > Thanks for your time, >> > Matt Friend >> > IDGenWeb Project SC >> > http:/idgenweb.org/ >> > >> > -- >> > *Matthew D. Friend* >> > Conway, Arkansas >> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/MatthewDFriend >> > Twitter: @matthewdfriend >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > STATE-COORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> When the door of happiness closes, another opens, but often times we look >> so long at the closed door that we don't see the one which has been opened >> for us. >> >>  *Trails to the Past* >> *http://trailstothepast.org* <http://trailstothepast.org> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> STATE-COORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > >-- >*Matthew D. Friend* >Conway, Arkansas >Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/MatthewDFriend >Twitter: @matthewdfriend > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STATE-COORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Like with IA they have member voted on by-laws, the states that don't have this behind them you can unlink them, take their counties and risk a grievance filed against you, ask your ASC about that. Gail On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Matthew D. Friend < blindgenealogist@gmail.com> wrote: > I have a question for you folks! I have been trying to get my CCs to update > their website to a more current year status. I have gotten nearly all to do > so, however, one say he going to but never does. I have asked him several > times and still the same page as before. > > I haven't been able to get him to email me for the past month now to see > what is going on that he isn't doing his job to updating his pages. I've > talked to Mike St. Clair (last SC) and he had the same problem with him > when this guy was the SC before him. Basically, he goes or have gone MIA > from the group. > > Now, I am faced with nearly 15 counties without someone to adopt them to be > taken care of. Any suggest on how to get people to join the team? > > Thanks for your time, > Matt Friend > IDGenWeb Project SC > http:/idgenweb.org/ > > -- > *Matthew D. Friend* > Conway, Arkansas > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/MatthewDFriend > Twitter: @matthewdfriend > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STATE-COORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- When the door of happiness closes, another opens, but often times we look so long at the closed door that we don't see the one which has been opened for us. *Trails to the Past* *http://trailstothepast.org* <http://trailstothepast.org>

This makes it very clear, as a past SC of IA, it is in their by-laws and it is the SC's responsibility to see that the by-laws are followed. You are not the only person that has been let go in IA because of not complying with the by-laws on reviews. You add material, if you don't you are gone as a coordinator. You signed the papers when you joined the project to abide by the by-laws. IA is set up a lot different than the other states and that is what makes IA so great. They are constantly adding material and it is manditory to add material to their pages. Many years ago, I had to fire a CC for not updating his pages with new data. That person was Josh Taylor and look where Josh is now but the rules were the rule and Josh left IA. I have worked with Steve in past years and know that Steve only did what he was suppose to do to follow the by-laws. If Steve did not have a reason, he never would have done it. Sometimes what starts out to be a great project, just isn't that great as it was only a very short period of time and did not involve mega people to carry information on to continue to build a project. Gail Gail On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> > Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:41:06 -0500 > Subject: Fwd: Orphan Train Riders in Iowa project > To: iowa-l@rootsweb.com > > The State Coordinator of IAGenWeb Project is more interested in rules > and bylaws than a period in history that is extraordinary in IA and > other states. Gertrude Bell, I am sorry. > > http://iagenweb.org/iaorphans/ > http://iagenweb.org/iaorphans/logo.shtml > > Thank you all for your support. > > Tina Vickery > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> > Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:25:30 -0500 > Subject: Re: Orphan Train Riders in Iowa project > To: sdwilliams@leafglow.com > Cc: Constance Hall <connihall28@yahoo.com>, Ralph Leonard > <rleonard2509@live.com> > > Steve, > > Whatever, your mind is made up. I will NOT let this rest. If you can > do this to me, you can certainly do this to others. I hope you are > proud of yourself. You blindside a volunteer and leave them no > recourse .. think again! > > On 1/5/13, Steve Williams <sdwilliams@leafglow.com> wrote: > > Tina, > > > > I am just back from being gone all day up to now. > > > > I truly am sorry you feel this way. A discussion would not have changed > > the result, as I knew what must be done with the project. It was clear > > the project could not exist if it violated our bylaws year after year. > > Any SC would be forced to make the same decision because of this. I > would > > have failed in my job otherwise. > > > > It has been a customary practice to update records etc before giving > > notice. It was a mistake on our part that you received an unsub notice > > prior to my note. I apologize for that. It's something I will try not > to > > let happen again. > > > > It is clear that the bylaws/project rules were violated when you were > > passed on your last review: "At the > > very least, new transcribed or random data should be added no less than > > twice yearly." It was probably thought there was nothing else to add, so > > you should be passed. Well, like I said, that violated the rules. > > > > I could have handled this better, but the results would have been the > > same. > > > > I really do appreciate the work you've done on the project and that it > was > > dear to your heart. > > > > You are always welcome to apply for a county project if you have an > > interest there. > > > > All the best, > > > > Steve > > IAGenWeb State Coordinator > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tina Vickery [mailto:tsvickery@gmail.com] > > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 10:46 AM > > To: sdwilliams@leafglow.com > > Cc: Constance Hall; Ralph Leonard > > Subject: Re: Orphan Train Riders in Iowa project > > > > Amazing, I don't even get the curtesy of a reply .. You all need to learn > > leadership skills. > > > > Tina > > > > On 1/4/13, Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear Steve, > >> > >> The more I think about this the angrier I am. I can't fathom why you > >> would do this with no discussion with me. Would you, please and thank > >> you, explain that to me? > >> > >> Why did I get unsubbed from the mailing list PRIOR to your note to me? > >> Why wasn't I involved/included in the decision making process? Why > >> was my last Special Project review passed? I can provide you a copy. > >> > >> I do realize that this is a very limited scope of history, but it is > >> near and dear to my heart. You may not know this about me, but my > >> twin brother and I grew up as foster children from birth. We were > >> lucky, while never adopted, we live and love and are a member of that > >> family. I have two sisters, my twin, seven niecies and nephews, 10 > >> greats with that same family to the present. They call me Aunt T. > >> They are my family. I identify with the children on the Orphan Train. > >> In a different era, my twin and I would have been featured on the > >> pages. > >> > >> I am stunned that you would summarily dismiss me with not even the > >> curtsey of discussion with me. I want to understand. Please explain. > >> > >> Tina > >> > >> On 1/4/13, Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Dear Steve, > >>> > >>> Is that why I was summarily unsubscribed from the IAGenWeb Project > >>> mailing list at 9:28 am this morning. No discussion with me, just > >>> poof, the decision made? Wow, I hope you conduct your business with > >>> other long standing volunteers better than that! It is rude and very > >>> unprofessional. I am not dissapointed, I am angry and disgusted! > >>> > >>> I wish you all the best. Good luck in the future. > >>> > >>> > >>> Tina Vickery > >>> > >>> > >>> On 1/4/13, Steve Williams <sdwilliams@leafglow.com> wrote: > >>>> Dear Tina, > >>>> > >>>> I hope you are doing well. > >>>> > >>>> I know this will be very disappointing to you, but after > >>>> consultation with several people, I have decided to decommission the > >>>> Orphan Train Riders to Iowa Special Project. The project has the > >>>> narrowest scope of any project on IAGenWeb and there is very little > >>>> remaining data to be had. As you know, this has been mentioned in > >>>> the past. I'm sure there is a bit of hard to find data out there, > >>>> but it doesn't warrant keeping a separate project afloat for it. > >>>> We, of course, can't loose this great data, so I'm going to fold it > >>>> into the History special project. > >>>> > >>>> You probably realize yourself that decommissioning the project must > >>>> be done also, being that you have not been able to find data to add > >>>> to the project in almost 3 years (come February.) That's just the > >>>> nature of a narrowly focused project like this. The other > >>>> determination in decommissioning the project is that, because of the > >>>> difficulty of being able to find data to add, the project has and > >>>> will constantly go against our Project Rules, which states "At the > >>>> very least, new transcribed or random data should be added no less > >>>> than twice yearly." The Project Rules are referenced in our bylaws, > >>>> so we can't go against this clause. A project cannot be a project > >>>> if data cannot be added. > >>>> > >>>> I am sorry about this, but I hope you understand. As SC, I can't > >>>> bring myself to continually go against the rules of the IAGenWeb > > project. > >>>> > >>>> I want to thank you so much for the volunteer service you gave to > >>>> this project since July of 2004! Amazing! The site has always been > >>>> kept looking good. We are--and so many researchers are--grateful > >>>> for your service to the project. > >>>> > >>>> Warm regards, > >>>> > >>>> Steve > >>>> IAGenWeb State Coordinator > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STATE-COORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- When the door of happiness closes, another opens, but often times we look so long at the closed door that we don't see the one which has been opened for us. *Trails to the Past* *http://trailstothepast.org* <http://trailstothepast.org>

I am curious tonight, and want opinions. If you have a limited scope period of history highlighted within your XXGenWeb Project as a approved Special Project would you “decommission” that project and fold it into an all-encompassing History Project, dismissing a project lead without discussion or notice with that lead? Tina

Sorry, that should be "taken". g On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Gail Kilgore <gail.kilgore@gmail.com> wrote: > That could be a tricky question. If I am reading right the special > project is within a state and not a national special project. The state > approved the special project and the project would belong to the state. I > could assume that the lead may have been the person who started or > maintains the SP so in order to take the SP down or change it, it would > have to be a topic for the whole state and the state would need to vote on > the status of the project and shouldn't be removed until a vote to > decommission is take. > > Gail > AZ & CO > > On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Tina Vickery <tsvickery@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am curious tonight, and want opinions. If you have a limited scope >> period of history highlighted within your XXGenWeb Project as a >> approved Special Project would you “decommission” that project and >> fold it into an all-encompassing History Project, dismissing a project >> lead without discussion or notice with that lead? >> >> Tina >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> STATE-COORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > When the door of happiness closes, another opens, but often times we look > so long at the closed door that we don't see the one which has been opened > for us. > > *Trails to the Past* > *http://trailstothepast.org* <http://trailstothepast.org> > > -- When the door of happiness closes, another opens, but often times we look so long at the closed door that we don't see the one which has been opened for us. *Trails to the Past* *http://trailstothepast.org* <http://trailstothepast.org>