I have just been notified that the mail server that is sending out the passwords has malfunctioned and some of the password mailings are being rejected. The problem is being worked on and the remaining 500 or so passwords will be mailed in the morning. If you have not received your password by tomorrow afternoon please let the EC know. usgenwebec@mindspring.com Thank you for your patience. The Election Committee

Ladies and Gentlemen. Just a reminder that the Polls for the Run-Off Election will open tomorrow morning at 9:00 am CT and will close Friday August 16th at 9:00 am CT. If you tired to vote today you received an error message because the form is not accepting votes until 9:00 am tomorrow. Linda Davenport Election Committee

Ladies and Gentlemen: I would like to apologize for the incorrect posting of the Election Results that I did this morning. Election Committee members were hard at work checking and rechecking the election announcement e-mails for hours this morning. When I was notified that the Election Results e-mail was ready to be sent to the lists I copied one of the e-mails that contained an error. Please be aware that the error is mine and is not a reflection on the hard work of the Election Committee members. Linda Davenport EC Chair ************** Correction Announcement of the Election Results The 2002 Annual Election for Advisory Board Representatives is declared ended. The following are the results of the Election. National Coordinator: Total Votes 465 Richard Harrison: 221 47.53% Richard Pettys: 96 20.64% John Rigdon: 148 31.83% Run-off between: Richard Harrison and John Rigdon Special Project - Tombstone Representative: Joe Miller - Unopposed Total Votes 4 The Election Committee hereby declares Joe Miller the winner. Northeast North Central Regional County Coordinator Representative: Jan Cortez - Unopposed Total Votes 79 The Election Committee hereby declares Jan Cortez the winner. Northwest Plains Regional County Coordinator Representative: Total Votes 74 Kelly Courtney-Blizzard: 18 24.32% Gail Myer Kilgore: 28 37.84% Bill Oliver: 28 37.84% Run-off between: Gail Myer Kilgore and Bill Oliver Southeast Mid Atlantic Regional County Coordinator Representative: Total Votes: 163 Heather Jones DeGeorge: 22 13.50% Jimmy Epperson: 56 34.35% Diane Kelly: 37 22.70% Tom Parker: 22 13.50% Vickie Stevens: 26 15.95%: Run-off between: Jimmy Epperson and Diane Kelly Southwest South Central Regional State Coordinator Representative: Total Votes 7 Larry Flesher: 6 Carolyn Ward 1 The Election Committee hereby declares Larry Flesher the winner. Southwest South Central Regional County Coordinator Representative: Total Votes: 116 Scott Burow: 24 20.69% Phyllis Rippee: 42 36.21% Roger Swafford: 23 19.83% Bettie Wood: 27 23.27%: Run-off between: Phyllis Rippee and Bettie Wood The Election Committee wishes to thank everyone who voted and the Candidates for their participation and willingness to serve. The USGenWeb Project Election Committee

Meg, I don't see a difference. They appear to be the same. Not to fret. I had that problem once. "I have only made one mistake in my life: I thought I made a mistake, but I didn't!!" --Derick At 04:46 PM 8/1/02, you wrote: >(forwarding as requested)......--pig >***** > >FYI - If I have missed any of the lists, will SKS please forward - >thanks! Jana > >-----Original Message----- >From: lhaasdav@mindspring.com [mailto:lhaasdav@mindspring.com] >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:56 PM >To: Jana Black >Subject: HELP !!!!!!! > > >HELP - I made an error on my election results and I'm due in a meeting >in 5 minutes that will last all afternoon. PLEASE send this correction >to all the regional lists and to ALL & the SC List. > >PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > >Southeast Mid Atlantic Regional County Coordinator Representative: >Total >Votes: 163 >Heather Jones DeGeorge: 22 13.50% >Jimmy Epperson: 56 34.35% >Diane Kelly: 37 22.70% >Tom Parker: 22 13.50% >Vickie Stevens: 26 15.95%: >Run-off between: Jimmy Epperson and Diane Kelly > > >==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== >The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. > > >------ End of Forwarded Message

(forwarding as requested)......--pig ***** FYI - If I have missed any of the lists, will SKS please forward - thanks! Jana -----Original Message----- From: lhaasdav@mindspring.com [mailto:lhaasdav@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:56 PM To: Jana Black Subject: HELP !!!!!!! HELP - I made an error on my election results and I'm due in a meeting in 5 minutes that will last all afternoon. PLEASE send this correction to all the regional lists and to ALL & the SC List. PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Southeast Mid Atlantic Regional County Coordinator Representative: Total Votes: 163 Heather Jones DeGeorge: 22 13.50% Jimmy Epperson: 56 34.35% Diane Kelly: 37 22.70% Tom Parker: 22 13.50% Vickie Stevens: 26 15.95%: Run-off between: Jimmy Epperson and Diane Kelly ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. ------ End of Forwarded Message

The 2002 Annual Election for Advisory Board Representatives is declared ended. The following are the results of the Election. For a Candidate to be declared the winner of their race they must have received over 50% of the votes cast in their race or be running unopposed. In those races where no Candidate received the majority of votes cast the Election Committee has declared a Run-Off Election. The Run-Off Election will begin Friday Aug 2 at 9:00USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com am CT and end Friday Aug 16 at 9:00 am CT. Passwords for the Run-Off election will be included in the EC's Election Results Announcement e-mail to be mailed later today. National Coordinator: Total Votes 465 Richard Harrison: 221 47.53% Richard Pettys: 96 20.64% John Rigdon: 148 31.83% Run-off between: Richard Harrison and John Rigdon Special Project - Tombstone Representative: Joe Miller - Unopposed Total Votes 4 The Election Committee hereby declares Joe Miller the winner. Northeast North Central Regional County Coordinator Representative: Jan Cortez - Unopposed Total Votes 79 The Election Committee hereby declares Jan Cortez the winner. Northwest Plains Regional County Coordinator Representative: Total Votes 74 Kelly Courtney-Blizzard: 18 24.32% Gail Myer Kilgore: 28 37.84% Bill Oliver: 28 37.84% Run-off between: Gail Myer Kilgore and Bill Oliver Southeast Mid Atlantic Regional County Coordinator Representative: Total Votes: 163 Heather Jones DeGeorge: 22 13.50% Jimmy Epperson: 34 34.35% Diane Kelly: 37 22.70% Tom Parker: 22 13.50% Vickie Stevens: 26 15.95% Run-off between: Jimmy Epperson and Diane Kelly Southwest South Central Regional State Coordinator Representative: Total Votes 7 Larry Flesher: 6 Carolyn Ward 1 The Election Committee hereby declares Larry Flesher the winner. Southwest South Central Regional County Coordinator Representative: Total Votes: 116 Scott Burow: 24 20.69% Phyllis Rippee: 42 36.21% Roger Swafford: 23 19.83% Bettie Wood: 27 23.27%: Run-off between: Phyllis Rippee and Bettie Wood The Election Committee wishes to thank everyone who voted and the Candidates for their participation and willingness to serve. USGenWeb Project Election Committee

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> <snip> > <snip> Til then, > >get this garbage off this list and stop f***ing fighting! Don't you people > >know what volunteer service is all about? > > Apparently you don't. Cussing the help isn't recommended. I did not cuss. I left the word for whoever read to fill in however they saw fit. By you filling in the blanks in the manner you did, we know exactly where your mind is and what you are thinking about. No matter how you filled it in, this incessant fighting garbage still doesn't belong on this list. > > Tim > Patrick Hays http://www.ingenweb.net ps: I would have to say that I know far more about volunteer service than you can imagine, Mr. Stowell. I have volunteered and continue to volunteer to give my life for my country and defend the right for you to say what you want, no matter how much I may disagree with you. I think that on this list, you should stick to the subject at hand... volunteer genealogy, and not try to call into question what you can not know.

At 02:01 AM 7/24/02 -0400, you wrote: >Keith and the rest of you who have signed this "petition"... > <snip> Til then, >get this garbage off this list and stop f***ing fighting! Don't you people >know what volunteer service is all about? Apparently you don't. Cussing the help isn't recommended. >Patrick Hays >http://www.ingenweb.net Tim

> If our bylaws addressed the question we would be required to follow > whatever procedures were specified. But, just because our bylaws are silent > on the issue doesn't mean it can't be done. In other words you are saying that the project members are under "mob rule". Any time somebody wants to get rid of somebody, they can make up a "petition" have how ever many people they can bully into it sign it and force it through. Ridiculous. Aren't you supposed to be a candidate for NC? I would think you would think before sticking your foot so deeply into your mouth. There is a reason for rules, and it's not just to bend them to whatever your whims may be (although previous NCs have done this and gotten away with it over and over again). The petition for recall is flat out not valid. You want a recall, pass an amendment and make some useful procedures. Otherwise, ***please get this stuff off this list and do some genealogy*** (or at least web page creation). Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Harrison" <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD-L] Petition???... Recall??? Sorry, you can't do that! > At 03:30 PM 7/24/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >Folks, > > > >I think this is the operative phrase: > >>There are no provisions for a Recall in USGenWeb Bylaws > > > >Sorry to say, Keith and all, Patrick is correct. > >If the By-laws committee will propose an amendment, post it, allow voting > >on the issue and enact it, I'm sure we can proceed. > >Until then, this action is not supported by our By-laws. > > I disagree. > > Sturgis says, "An organization has an inherent right to remove an officer > or director from office for valid cause." > > If our bylaws addressed the question we would be required to follow > whatever procedures were specified. But, just because our bylaws are silent > on the issue doesn't mean it can't be done. > > -Isaiah > > > > > > > Richard "Isaiah" Harrison > Candidate for USGW National Coordinator :: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richard/nc/index.htm > Visit The Art Department :: http://ourworld.cs.com/EncinitasArt/index.htm > >

At 09:25 PM 7/24/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > If our bylaws addressed the question we would be required to follow > > whatever procedures were specified. But, just because our bylaws are >silent > > on the issue doesn't mean it can't be done. > > In other words you are saying that the project members are under "mob >rule". No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that procedures in Sturgis apply. I don't see them as "mob rule." >Any time somebody wants to get rid of somebody, they can make up a >"petition" have how ever many people they can bully into it sign it and >force it through. Ridiculous. Ridiculous? That would be scary, but hat isn't what's happening here. >Aren't you supposed to be a candidate for >NC? I would think you would think before sticking your foot so deeply into >your mouth. I AM a candidate for NC and both of my feet are planted firmly on the ground. Since we obviously disagree strongly, I guess we'll have to simply accept that fact. I'll let you get back to your genealogy, but I'm always open to further discussion this or any other issue. -Isaiah Richard "Isaiah" Harrison Candidate for USGW National Coordinator :: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richard/nc/index.htm Visit The Art Department :: http://ourworld.cs.com/EncinitasArt/index.htm

Folks, I think this is the operative phrase: >There are no provisions for a Recall in USGenWeb Bylaws Sorry to say, Keith and all, Patrick is correct. If the By-laws committee will propose an amendment, post it, allow voting on the issue and enact it, I'm sure we can proceed. Until then, this action is not supported by our By-laws. There was a repeated call for volunteers for the Bylaws Amendments committee. How many of the signators to this recall petition volunteered? Derick S. Hartshorn SC, NCGenWeb At 02:01 AM 7/24/02, Patrick wrote: >Keith and the rest of you who have signed this "petition"... > > There are no provisions for a Recall in USGenWeb Bylaws since the >majority of voters were not enough in the 2000 election, when there was a >provision for Recall put before the voters. And if I remember correctly, >MANY of the people who have signed your illegal petition were against the >Recall Amendment. **Now isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.** >Now, why don't you just crawl back under your rock, shrivel up, die and >leave the rest of us volunteers who don't care about your stupid political >games alone. I don't know nor do I care what Ms. Lindquist has done that >has riled you up. I don't have time for this BS. I have a life. You want >a Recall Amendment? Then why don't you come begging to me to propose it >again next year. I didn't this year because I didn't have time. Til then, >get this garbage off this list and stop f***ing fighting! Don't you people >know what volunteer service is all about? > >Patrick Hays >http://www.ingenweb.net > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Keith Giddeon" <keith@giddeon.com> >To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:32 AM >Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Petition > > > > There is a petition online seeking a recall election on Teresa Lindquist, > > The USGenWeb Project's Rep-at-Large to the Advisory Board. You may access > > the petition at: <snipped> > > > > Please forward this as you wish. > > > > --Keith Giddeon > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/02 > > > >

Project Members are bound by three things: Bylaws, Parliamentary Authority, Laws of the Land. Our bylaws allow the use of parliamentary authority where they do not speak. Check out parliamentary authority and you will find the justification for members of an organization taking disciplinary measures in regard to another member. It's under the topic "Rights of An Organization." Check out the laws of the land and you will find the right to "circulate" a petition to request a governing body take whatever action the petition specifies. Should this petition be presented to the Advisory Board, the members of that body will have to make a decision as to what to do. There should be absolutely no doubt as to the rights of members to present it to the general membership, nor to the rights of members to sign it. Phyllis Rippee ----- Original Message ----- From: Derick S. Hartshorn <derickh@charter.net> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 24 July, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD-L] Petition???... Recall??? Sorry, you can't do that! > Folks, > > I think this is the operative phrase: > >There are no provisions for a Recall in USGenWeb Bylaws > > Sorry to say, Keith and all, Patrick is correct. > If the By-laws committee will propose an amendment, post it, allow voting > on the issue and enact it, I'm sure we can proceed. > Until then, this action is not supported by our By-laws. > > There was a repeated call for volunteers for the Bylaws Amendments committee. > How many of the signators to this recall petition volunteered? > > Derick S. Hartshorn > SC, NCGenWeb > > > > > > At 02:01 AM 7/24/02, Patrick wrote: > >Keith and the rest of you who have signed this "petition"... > > > > There are no provisions for a Recall in USGenWeb Bylaws since the > >majority of voters were not enough in the 2000 election, when there was a > >provision for Recall put before the voters. And if I remember correctly, > >MANY of the people who have signed your illegal petition were against the > >Recall Amendment. **Now isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.** > >Now, why don't you just crawl back under your rock, shrivel up, die and > >leave the rest of us volunteers who don't care about your stupid political > >games alone. I don't know nor do I care what Ms. Lindquist has done that > >has riled you up. I don't have time for this BS. I have a life. You want > >a Recall Amendment? Then why don't you come begging to me to propose it > >again next year. I didn't this year because I didn't have time. Til then, > >get this garbage off this list and stop f***ing fighting! Don't you people > >know what volunteer service is all about? > > > >Patrick Hays > >http://www.ingenweb.net > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Keith Giddeon" <keith@giddeon.com> > >To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:32 AM > >Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Petition > > > > > > > There is a petition online seeking a recall election on Teresa Lindquist, > > > The USGenWeb Project's Rep-at-Large to the Advisory Board. You may access > > > the petition at: <snipped> > > > > > > Please forward this as you wish. > > > > > > --Keith Giddeon > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/02 > > > > > > > >

At 03:30 PM 7/24/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Folks, > >I think this is the operative phrase: >>There are no provisions for a Recall in USGenWeb Bylaws > >Sorry to say, Keith and all, Patrick is correct. >If the By-laws committee will propose an amendment, post it, allow voting >on the issue and enact it, I'm sure we can proceed. >Until then, this action is not supported by our By-laws. I disagree. Sturgis says, "An organization has an inherent right to remove an officer or director from office for valid cause." If our bylaws addressed the question we would be required to follow whatever procedures were specified. But, just because our bylaws are silent on the issue doesn't mean it can't be done. -Isaiah Richard "Isaiah" Harrison Candidate for USGW National Coordinator :: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richard/nc/index.htm Visit The Art Department :: http://ourworld.cs.com/EncinitasArt/index.htm

I know a very "Love"ly lady from Texas that could protect you, Keith. She would do it "marily." <g> Linda > > I've been on this list for a year and it seems I've never seen this type of > an attack. It really is sad. > > --Keith > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Patrick [mailto:ingen@migrations.org]

Keith and the rest of you who have signed this "petition"... There are no provisions for a Recall in USGenWeb Bylaws since the majority of voters were not enough in the 2000 election, when there was a provision for Recall put before the voters. And if I remember correctly, MANY of the people who have signed your illegal petition were against the Recall Amendment. **Now isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.** Now, why don't you just crawl back under your rock, shrivel up, die and leave the rest of us volunteers who don't care about your stupid political games alone. I don't know nor do I care what Ms. Lindquist has done that has riled you up. I don't have time for this BS. I have a life. You want a Recall Amendment? Then why don't you come begging to me to propose it again next year. I didn't this year because I didn't have time. Til then, get this garbage off this list and stop f***ing fighting! Don't you people know what volunteer service is all about? Patrick Hays http://www.ingenweb.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Giddeon" <keith@giddeon.com> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:32 AM Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Petition > There is a petition online seeking a recall election on Teresa Lindquist, > The USGenWeb Project's Rep-at-Large to the Advisory Board. You may access > the petition at: <snipped> > > Please forward this as you wish. > > --Keith Giddeon > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/02 > >

I've been on this list for a year and it seems I've never seen this type of an attack. It really is sad. --Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick [mailto:ingen@migrations.org] > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:01 AM > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Petition???... Recall??? Sorry, you can't do > that! > > > Keith and the rest of you who have signed this "petition"... > > There are no provisions for a Recall in USGenWeb Bylaws since the > majority of voters were not enough in the 2000 election, when there was a > provision for Recall put before the voters. And if I remember correctly, > MANY of the people who have signed your illegal petition were against the > Recall Amendment. **Now isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.** > Now, why don't you just crawl back under your rock, shrivel up, die and > leave the rest of us volunteers who don't care about your stupid political > games alone. I don't know nor do I care what Ms. Lindquist has done that > has riled you up. I don't have time for this BS. I have a life. > You want > a Recall Amendment? Then why don't you come begging to me to propose it > again next year. I didn't this year because I didn't have time. > Til then, > get this garbage off this list and stop f***ing fighting! Don't > you people > know what volunteer service is all about? > > Patrick Hays > http://www.ingenweb.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Giddeon" <keith@giddeon.com> > To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:32 AM > Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Petition > > > > There is a petition online seeking a recall election on Teresa > Lindquist, > > The USGenWeb Project's Rep-at-Large to the Advisory Board. You > may access > > the petition at: <snipped> > > > > Please forward this as you wish. > > > > --Keith Giddeon > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/02 > > > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/02 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/02

Patrick, I really do suggest you get an appointment with your doctor. The stress is showing. --Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick [mailto:ingen@migrations.org] > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:01 AM > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Petition???... Recall??? Sorry, you can't do > that! > > > Keith and the rest of you who have signed this "petition"... > > There are no provisions for a Recall in USGenWeb Bylaws since the > majority of voters were not enough in the 2000 election, when there was a > provision for Recall put before the voters. And if I remember correctly, > MANY of the people who have signed your illegal petition were against the > Recall Amendment. **Now isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.** > Now, why don't you just crawl back under your rock, shrivel up, die and > leave the rest of us volunteers who don't care about your stupid political > games alone. I don't know nor do I care what Ms. Lindquist has done that > has riled you up. I don't have time for this BS. I have a life. > You want > a Recall Amendment? Then why don't you come begging to me to propose it > again next year. I didn't this year because I didn't have time. > Til then, > get this garbage off this list and stop f***ing fighting! Don't > you people > know what volunteer service is all about? > > Patrick Hays > http://www.ingenweb.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Giddeon" <keith@giddeon.com> > To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:32 AM > Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Petition > > > > There is a petition online seeking a recall election on Teresa > Lindquist, > > The USGenWeb Project's Rep-at-Large to the Advisory Board. You > may access > > the petition at: <snipped> > > > > Please forward this as you wish. > > > > --Keith Giddeon > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/02 > > > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/02 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/02

There is a petition online seeking a recall election on Teresa Lindquist, The USGenWeb Project's Rep-at-Large to the Advisory Board. You may access the petition at: http://www.giddeon.com/usgenweb/petition.html Please forward this as you wish. --Keith Giddeon --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/02

Ladies and Gentlemen: We have passed the half way point of the annual USGenWeb Election. The election will end July 31, 2002 at 7:00 pm CT. If you have not yet voted the Election Committee encourages you to do so. The Candidate's page can be found at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwelections/2002candidates.html Thank you USGenWeb Election Committee

It's about time! Bob At 10:41 AM 7/20/02 -0400, you wrote: >Please forward to your state list. > >------------------------------------------------------------- > From the Advisory Board of the USGenWeb Project > >To Teresa Lindquist: > >The Advisory Board of the USGenWeb Project has voted to declare you a >member not in good standing. This action has been taken due to your >disregard for the responsibilities associated with being an Advisory >Board Member.