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Could Joan send her notices here or is there a central page one can view the latest additions since April, 2002? Tim At 11:51 AM 9/15/02 -0400, you wrote: >The state file managers are being notified, and Joan Renfrow was >recruited to update the Census Images pages. She does a great job. > >If everyone wants, I can forward the notice I receive, but it will be in >an abbreviated form. > >Some nerve damage (too much time on the computer <g>) in my elbow forces >me to limit the amount of typing I can do. > >Linda > >Tim Stowell wrote: >> >> Linda, >> >> What happened to this program? This is the last message I have on >> census images being uploaded to the Archives? >> >> Tim > >

Thanks Vicki... I thought someone with USGW did it... maybe that someone is Betsy. <g> nt -----Original Message----- From: Vicki Lindsay Thauvin [mailto:vicki@thauvin.net] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 12:33 PM To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD-L] KyGenWeb If RootsWeb is hosting the domain, you need to email accounts@rootsweb.com All RootsWeb web accounts related questions, problems, etc. are overseen by accounts@rootsweb.com >Brian Leverich used to handle this. I do not know who >you write to now to fix this. No one at USGenWeb has >the capability to fix. > > >--- Nancy T R I C E <nt@vci.net> wrote: >> I announced our new domain several weeks ago. May I >> ask that whoever >> handles the redirects please fix it? >> http://www.kygenweb.net/index.html >> >> Thanks, >> nt >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marie Blocher [mailto:marieblocher@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:34 AM >> To: nt@vci.net >> Subject: links >> >> >> the genweb page >> http://www.usgenweb.org/statelinks-table.html >> has a link to the old Kentucky page >> http://www.kygenweb.net/index.html > > and needs to be fixed -- Vicki Lindsay Thauvin <mailto:vicki@thauvin.net>

If RootsWeb is hosting the domain, you need to email accounts@rootsweb.com All RootsWeb web accounts related questions, problems, etc. are overseen by accounts@rootsweb.com >Brian Leverich used to handle this. I do not know who >you write to now to fix this. No one at USGenWeb has >the capability to fix. > > >--- Nancy T R I C E <nt@vci.net> wrote: >> I announced our new domain several weeks ago. May I >> ask that whoever >> handles the redirects please fix it? >> http://www.kygenweb.net/index.html >> >> Thanks, >> nt >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marie Blocher [mailto:marieblocher@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:34 AM >> To: nt@vci.net >> Subject: links >> >> >> the genweb page >> http://www.usgenweb.org/statelinks-table.html >> has a link to the old Kentucky page >> http://www.kygenweb.net/index.html > > and needs to be fixed -- Vicki Lindsay Thauvin <mailto:vicki@thauvin.net>

Brian Leverich used to handle this. I do not know who you write to now to fix this. No one at USGenWeb has the capability to fix. --- Nancy T R I C E <nt@vci.net> wrote: > I announced our new domain several weeks ago. May I > ask that whoever > handles the redirects please fix it? > http://www.kygenweb.net/index.html > > Thanks, > nt > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marie Blocher [mailto:marieblocher@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:34 AM > To: nt@vci.net > Subject: links > > > the genweb page > http://www.usgenweb.org/statelinks-table.html > has a link to the old Kentucky page > http://www.kygenweb.net/index.html > and needs to be fixed > > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com

I announced our new domain several weeks ago. May I ask that whoever handles the redirects please fix it? http://www.kygenweb.net/index.html Thanks, nt -----Original Message----- From: Marie Blocher [mailto:marieblocher@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:34 AM To: nt@vci.net Subject: links the genweb page http://www.usgenweb.org/statelinks-table.html has a link to the old Kentucky page http://www.kygenweb.net/index.html and needs to be fixed

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The state file managers are being notified, and Joan Renfrow was recruited to update the Census Images pages. She does a great job. If everyone wants, I can forward the notice I receive, but it will be in an abbreviated form. Some nerve damage (too much time on the computer <g>) in my elbow forces me to limit the amount of typing I can do. Linda Tim Stowell wrote: > > Linda, > > What happened to this program? This is the last message I have on > census images being uploaded to the Archives? > > Tim

Linda, What happened to this program? This is the last message I have on census images being uploaded to the Archives? Tim At 01:19 PM 4/22/02 -0400, you wrote: >The following Census images have been uploaded to the USGenWeb Archives: > >1870 Walton County GA >http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ga/walton/census/1870/ > >1840 St. Croix County, WI >http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/wi/stcroix/census/1840/ > >Lindaq

Good Morning Mr Chair, As I see merit to this concept, I request that this item be _added_ to our agenda. Thank you. Sincerely, Bill Oliver NW/Plains CC Rep -=- Carol wrote: > I propose that the Board form a special committee to draft a "Standards of > Conduct" for the benefit of all members of the USGenWeb Project. > > FORMATION OF THE COMMITTEE > As with past committees, membership in this committee should be chosen from > volunteers representing all regions of the USGenWeb Project and should > include both a State Coordinator and a County Coordinator from each region, > with a minimum of two members from each region. > > The number of committee members should be determined by region with no less > than one State Coordinator and one county coordinator from each region, with > the optimal distribution being one State Coordinator and two county > coordinators from each region; except in the event when sufficient numbers > do not volunteer to serve on the committee, and in that event, the committee > should be formed from the available volunteers. > > In the event that any member of the Standards of Conduct committee becomes > nonresponsive after seven days or resigns for any reason, the Standards of > Conduct committee should appoint a successor from a pool of alternate > volunteers so that equal representation from all regions remains intact. In > the event that there is not sufficient volunteers to represent all regions, > or to replace members who resign or become unresponsive, then the committee > should go forward with the volunteers that are available. > > Any member who serves on the Standards of Conduct committee should be in > good standing within the Project and should remain in good standing for the > duration of service on the committee. > > In no case or situation, or for any reason, cause, belief or opinion, should > any member of the Committee be subjected to spamming, threats, disrespect or > rudeness from any other member or group or opinion or philosophy within the > Project. > > The Chairperson of the Standards of Conduct committee should be appointed by > the members of the committee rather than a Board appointed chairperson. > > CONTENT OF THE STANDARDS OF CONDUCT > Content of the Standards of Conduct should be the highest possible standards > of conduct, rather than a minimum standard. > > Members of the "Standards of Conduct" committee should be allowed to seek > opinions and ideas from the general membership or outside sources as > appropriate for consideration of inclusion into the Standards of Conduct. > > Advice and opinions from the membership could include, but not be limited > to, a survey to determine troublesome areas of concern for the Project as a > whole, and for solicitation of individual or group experiences that caused > ill will or an individual or group to feel that they were not a valuable and > appreciated member of the USGenWeb. > > Outside sources for advice and opinions could include, but not be limited > to, educators, behavioral psychologists or sociologists, organizational > sociologists, other experts or those who are in a position to observe and > remedy negative behaviors within groups, and similar Standards of Conduct > from other organizations or groups. > > The Standards of Conduct should include both specific behaviors that are not > allowed as well as specific actions by the USGenWeb should the Standards of > Conduct be violated by any member. > > The Standard of Conduct committee should be a positive and healthy step > forward for the USGenWeb Project. Therefore, in no case shall the Standards > of Conduct committee propose that a member be discharged or banned from > membership in the USGenweb as a result of a violation of the Standards, > recognizing that each member has a contribution to give to the project. > However, other means of discipline could be included such as censure. > > Although the Standards of Conduct committee should include provisions for > discipline should the Standards be violated, and the specific proofs and > procedure for doing so, the Committee should keep its focus on encouraging > and enhancing harmonious working relationships within the Project through > the Standards of Conduct. > > The Standards of Conduct committee should be evermindful of creating a > Standard that is fair and impartial, and should be prohibited from drafting > language or intent that is focused on any particular individual, group, > viewpoint or philosophy within the USGenWeb Project. > > The Committee's charge should be to determine Standards of Conduct that are > general enough to apply to all membership, but specific enough to prohibit > certain actions or behaviors that are detrimental to individual members or > groups within the Project, or are detrimental to the Project as a whole. > > The Committee should form a Standard that is as brief as possible, but no > length to the Standard should be imposed upon the Standards of Conduct so as > to include all relevant Standards as the Committee should deem appropriate. > > MAKING THE STANDARDS OF CONDUCT PART OF THE USGENWEB PROJECT > The Committee should report back to the Advisory Board periodically with its > progress, including a timeframe when the Standards of Conduct will be > submitted to the Board. > > The time or date of completion should be set by the committee, depending > upon the complexity of the issues involved and to insure the inclusion of > all relevant and needful topics as the Committee should determine. However, > in no case should be Standards of Conduct be submitted to the Board any > later than three months after formation of the committee. > > At the completion of the Standards of Conduct, the committee will turn its > findings and the Standards of Conduct over to the Advisory Board for voting. > The Advisory Board should be allowed to propose changes to the Standards of > Conduct and send it back to committee for revision. However, the Standards > of Conduct committee should have veto power over the Advisory Board and the > Standards of Conduct should be accepted by the Board if the committee > unanimously vetos the Board's recommendations for changes. > > The acceptance of the Standards of Conduct by the Advisory Board should be > by a two-thirds majority vote, rather than a simple majority. However, in > the event of dissent within the Project or within the Advisory Board, the > Standards of Conduct committee should retain veto power over all > individuals, groups and the Board; except in the event that a special > election is called by the general membership to veto or override the > Standards of Conduct committee's decisions. > > The purpose of giving the Standards of Conduct committee veto power is to > disallow special interest groups from unduly pressuring a certain viewpoint > or revision into the Standards. The veto power over the Board is in > recognition of the current voices of dissent concerning Board activities and > philosophies, so as to remove the Standards of Conduct from being tainted in > the minds of the general membership as to its intent or goals. > > In the event that the general membership, in accordance with the Bylaws > procedures, calls for the Standards of Conduct to be withdrawn, revised, or > rewritten, then a two-thirds majority of the qualified voters who elect to > vote, should be required. > > The Standards of Conduct should not be part of the Bylaws of the USGenWeb, > but have equal force as the Bylaws in all situations, except that the Bylaws > should take precedence in all situations should there be a conflict between > the two documents. This should include present Bylaws as well as any future > changes to the Bylaws. > > The Standards of Conduct should be a in force and serve as if the Standards > were part of the Bylaws, but exist separately from the Bylaws. This should > be for the sake of providing a procedure in accordance with the Bylaws for > future changes, reivisions, additions or deletions to the Standards of > Conduct, as the general membership deems appropriate. > > After the Standards of Conduct is accepted by the Board, all membership > should be committed to adopting it and enforcing it as individuals as well > as a Project. All present members of the USGenWeb Project should follow the > Standards of Conduct as a matter of honesty and integrity, and as a personal > committment to further positive relationships within the Project. Future > members of the Project should be required to follow the Standards of Conduct > as a condition of membership in the USGenWeb Project. > > The Standards of Conduct committee should set forth a charge to the Advisory > Board to form a standing Standards of Conduct committee as a resource and > avenue for resolving conflicts within the Project. The Standards of Conduct > committee should set forth the specifics of service and election or > appointment to the standing committee as deemed appropriate. > > The Standards of Conduct standing committee should not be enpowered to act > upon any disagreement or complaint, but rather to submit recommendations to > the Board, State Coordinator, or groups as appropriate concerning any > disagreement or complaint. The Standards of Conduct standing committee > should be allowed to investigate any violations of the Standards, but should > be charged to maintain confidentiality and restraint concerning any such > investigation; except in the event when all parties involved agree to any > disclosure of the details or situation involved. > > The Standards of Conduct should serve to unify various factions within the > Project, to provide an avenue for complaints and resolution to violations of > conduct, and encourage an orderly and positive manner for all of the Project > to work together to advance online genealogy and to encourage individual as > well as group participation in the worthy goals when the USGenWeb was first > created. > > Respectfully submtted, > Carol Haagensen > State Coordinator, Wyoming

I propose that the Board form a special committee to draft a "Standards of Conduct" for the benefit of all members of the USGenWeb Project. FORMATION OF THE COMMITTEE As with past committees, membership in this committee should be chosen from volunteers representing all regions of the USGenWeb Project and should include both a State Coordinator and a County Coordinator from each region, with a minimum of two members from each region. The number of committee members should be determined by region with no less than one State Coordinator and one county coordinator from each region, with the optimal distribution being one State Coordinator and two county coordinators from each region; except in the event when sufficient numbers do not volunteer to serve on the committee, and in that event, the committee should be formed from the available volunteers. In the event that any member of the Standards of Conduct committee becomes nonresponsive after seven days or resigns for any reason, the Standards of Conduct committee should appoint a successor from a pool of alternate volunteers so that equal representation from all regions remains intact. In the event that there is not sufficient volunteers to represent all regions, or to replace members who resign or become unresponsive, then the committee should go forward with the volunteers that are available. Any member who serves on the Standards of Conduct committee should be in good standing within the Project and should remain in good standing for the duration of service on the committee. In no case or situation, or for any reason, cause, belief or opinion, should any member of the Committee be subjected to spamming, threats, disrespect or rudeness from any other member or group or opinion or philosophy within the Project. The Chairperson of the Standards of Conduct committee should be appointed by the members of the committee rather than a Board appointed chairperson. CONTENT OF THE STANDARDS OF CONDUCT Content of the Standards of Conduct should be the highest possible standards of conduct, rather than a minimum standard. Members of the "Standards of Conduct" committee should be allowed to seek opinions and ideas from the general membership or outside sources as appropriate for consideration of inclusion into the Standards of Conduct. Advice and opinions from the membership could include, but not be limited to, a survey to determine troublesome areas of concern for the Project as a whole, and for solicitation of individual or group experiences that caused ill will or an individual or group to feel that they were not a valuable and appreciated member of the USGenWeb. Outside sources for advice and opinions could include, but not be limited to, educators, behavioral psychologists or sociologists, organizational sociologists, other experts or those who are in a position to observe and remedy negative behaviors within groups, and similar Standards of Conduct from other organizations or groups. The Standards of Conduct should include both specific behaviors that are not allowed as well as specific actions by the USGenWeb should the Standards of Conduct be violated by any member. The Standard of Conduct committee should be a positive and healthy step forward for the USGenWeb Project. Therefore, in no case shall the Standards of Conduct committee propose that a member be discharged or banned from membership in the USGenweb as a result of a violation of the Standards, recognizing that each member has a contribution to give to the project. However, other means of discipline could be included such as censure. Although the Standards of Conduct committee should include provisions for discipline should the Standards be violated, and the specific proofs and procedure for doing so, the Committee should keep its focus on encouraging and enhancing harmonious working relationships within the Project through the Standards of Conduct. The Standards of Conduct committee should be evermindful of creating a Standard that is fair and impartial, and should be prohibited from drafting language or intent that is focused on any particular individual, group, viewpoint or philosophy within the USGenWeb Project. The Committee's charge should be to determine Standards of Conduct that are general enough to apply to all membership, but specific enough to prohibit certain actions or behaviors that are detrimental to individual members or groups within the Project, or are detrimental to the Project as a whole. The Committee should form a Standard that is as brief as possible, but no length to the Standard should be imposed upon the Standards of Conduct so as to include all relevant Standards as the Committee should deem appropriate. MAKING THE STANDARDS OF CONDUCT PART OF THE USGENWEB PROJECT The Committee should report back to the Advisory Board periodically with its progress, including a timeframe when the Standards of Conduct will be submitted to the Board. The time or date of completion should be set by the committee, depending upon the complexity of the issues involved and to insure the inclusion of all relevant and needful topics as the Committee should determine. However, in no case should be Standards of Conduct be submitted to the Board any later than three months after formation of the committee. At the completion of the Standards of Conduct, the committee will turn its findings and the Standards of Conduct over to the Advisory Board for voting. The Advisory Board should be allowed to propose changes to the Standards of Conduct and send it back to committee for revision. However, the Standards of Conduct committee should have veto power over the Advisory Board and the Standards of Conduct should be accepted by the Board if the committee unanimously vetos the Board's recommendations for changes. The acceptance of the Standards of Conduct by the Advisory Board should be by a two-thirds majority vote, rather than a simple majority. However, in the event of dissent within the Project or within the Advisory Board, the Standards of Conduct committee should retain veto power over all individuals, groups and the Board; except in the event that a special election is called by the general membership to veto or override the Standards of Conduct committee's decisions. The purpose of giving the Standards of Conduct committee veto power is to disallow special interest groups from unduly pressuring a certain viewpoint or revision into the Standards. The veto power over the Board is in recognition of the current voices of dissent concerning Board activities and philosophies, so as to remove the Standards of Conduct from being tainted in the minds of the general membership as to its intent or goals. In the event that the general membership, in accordance with the Bylaws procedures, calls for the Standards of Conduct to be withdrawn, revised, or rewritten, then a two-thirds majority of the qualified voters who elect to vote, should be required. The Standards of Conduct should not be part of the Bylaws of the USGenWeb, but have equal force as the Bylaws in all situations, except that the Bylaws should take precedence in all situations should there be a conflict between the two documents. This should include present Bylaws as well as any future changes to the Bylaws. The Standards of Conduct should be a in force and serve as if the Standards were part of the Bylaws, but exist separately from the Bylaws. This should be for the sake of providing a procedure in accordance with the Bylaws for future changes, reivisions, additions or deletions to the Standards of Conduct, as the general membership deems appropriate. After the Standards of Conduct is accepted by the Board, all membership should be committed to adopting it and enforcing it as individuals as well as a Project. All present members of the USGenWeb Project should follow the Standards of Conduct as a matter of honesty and integrity, and as a personal committment to further positive relationships within the Project. Future members of the Project should be required to follow the Standards of Conduct as a condition of membership in the USGenWeb Project. The Standards of Conduct committee should set forth a charge to the Advisory Board to form a standing Standards of Conduct committee as a resource and avenue for resolving conflicts within the Project. The Standards of Conduct committee should set forth the specifics of service and election or appointment to the standing committee as deemed appropriate. The Standards of Conduct standing committee should not be enpowered to act upon any disagreement or complaint, but rather to submit recommendations to the Board, State Coordinator, or groups as appropriate concerning any disagreement or complaint. The Standards of Conduct standing committee should be allowed to investigate any violations of the Standards, but should be charged to maintain confidentiality and restraint concerning any such investigation; except in the event when all parties involved agree to any disclosure of the details or situation involved. The Standards of Conduct should serve to unify various factions within the Project, to provide an avenue for complaints and resolution to violations of conduct, and encourage an orderly and positive manner for all of the Project to work together to advance online genealogy and to encourage individual as well as group participation in the worthy goals when the USGenWeb was first created. Respectfully submtted, Carol Haagensen State Coordinator, Wyoming

At 10:52 PM 9/13/02, Tina Vickery wrote: >With leadership comes responsibility, patience, listening skills, more >patience and compromise. I am not being flip. Whatever issues that >NC is facing, this list is not the place to air them, IMHO. I see it >serving no benefit to the subscribers, and certainly no benefit to the >NCGenWeb Project nor the USGenWeb Project. > >To the NC CC's that are subbed here, with teamwork comes >responsibility, patience, listening skills, more patience and >compromise. I am not being flip. Whatever issues that NC is facing, >this list is not the place to air them, IMHO. I see it serving no >benefit to the subscribers, and certainly no benefit to the NCGenWeb >Project nor the USGenWeb Project. > >Let's see if we can all can demonstrate this concept. > >Sincerely, >Tina Vickery >==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== >The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. Tina and USGW family, Bravo!! Finally the voice of moderation!! I applaud your inclination to step into this fray and say, "enough is enough." If you have been reading this list long enough, you'll recognize some of our weaker members who too often take the bait and respond to ridiculous accusations with their own invective. I confess, I have too many fallen times into that trap. At this time, I would like to apologize--publicly--to everyone who expected better of me--whether it be National, State or County. Tina, your post caused me to reflect that to be a proper leader (like Betsy, Elizabeth and Sharon, my predecessors), I need to ignore the rasping voices (see the USGENWEB -DISCUSS and ALL-L archives, last 30 days) and respond civilly or not at all. I hope I am more successful than my immediate predecessor. After the constant harassment from the verbal vultures, Sharon lost her ability to try and defend herself against them. I should have realized at the time that these sniping voices were trying to bring her down, just like they tried to bring down Elizabeth, before her. To this day, I believe, as only her Asst. SC can, that these pathetic souls were responsible for aggravating her health. Some have personally called for me to step down for "health reasons." To them, I say: "Where's the beef?" Show me what ya got! I'm here for the long haul!!!! I just wonder, how far must we go to preserve harmony? Since my election as SC began (1 July), the attacks began. They have not only increased in tone, they have been accompanied by private messages containing subtle threats. Finally, in only the last few days, have letters of support for me (AND the 65% of the voters who agree), been sent to ALL-L . To them, thanks abound. My question is how long must we take this kind of abuse WITHOUT the support of our National organization? Two months? Is that about right? Can anyone here seriously say they would rather be writing e-mails than doing GENEALOGY!!! HELLO? In Catawba County, we have a local wacko who writes to the newspaper editor several times a week. He used to rouse folks, like me, to a frenzy with his bizarre statements. When folks finally realized how ridiculous he sounded they began to ignore him. Most folks in Catawba County call him "the fruit-cake." Wouldn't it be wonderful if folks who speak with authority and wisdom would step in and HELP ME in rejecting bad behavior. Why don't we all stop responding to these negative voices? Why can't our leadership at least say, "Please behave." That's all we ask, here in the NCGenWeb Project. For that reason, Tina, your letter came at a most fortuitous time. I would certainly appreciate any help that we can get from anyone to whom this post is directed. It's time we stopped tolerating bad behavior. It begins as an irritation, becomes obnoxious and finally evolves into a full-blown destructive force. If anyone here believes the motives of the snipers are anything BUT the complete destruction of the XXGW, they are sadly and naively mistaken. Right here and right now, I REQUEST THAT ALL PARTIES REFRAIN from giving these hyenas the satisfaction of any response. Any response WHATSOEVER!!! These complainers and petty tyrants preach something akin to anarchy. Two years ago the NCGW went through the very same thing and the National leadership (anyone above me in "pay grade") never lifted a finger to help us. Praise God, we are still in existence, thanks to our own magnificent efforts--and I'm talking about our silent majority, those who signed on to provide a service and to ignore the detractors. I represent only two counties in the Great Old North State. Some CCs represent more--some less. I am intensely proud of our wonderfully productive CCs and their achievements and their service to the Project. I'm proud to be their helper and servant. They all know who they are. "Ye shall know them by their fruits." This world has all the terrorism it can deal with. We are constantly reminded of the banner on bottom of the TV which displays the state of threat we are in. Should we sit back and hope that it won't happen in our Project? Don't we KNOW where the "speed-bumps" are on an otherwise smooth road? Do we not have a mechanism to eliminate the threat of our destruction? Why can't the USGenWeb Project be the very best that it can be? Only one obstacle remains: that of opposition. Paul Buckley, ASC, NCGenWeb Project, is our list administrator. I have given him full responsibility to act in the best interests of the NCGW. I requested that he unsubscribe the unruly. He did so. Now the ALL-L list is being posted to by folks who are no longer Project members (how can that be?). They complain that I am guilty of defamatory statements. I have asked Paul to act in his capacity and unsub me from the NCGW-Discuss list, hoping that it might quiet the obstreperous. I have used a slogan that the dissenters seem to have picked up on. At least they mock it: "LEAD, FOLLOW OR GET THE HECK OUT OF THE WAY" I am, by no means, seeking notoriety, popularity, power or perpetuation. Several times, I have entertained the notion to kick it all. Who needs it? I would love to return to writing journal articles and immerse myself in migration research. If anyone with who shares my goals wants it--YOU GOT IT!!! I'm here to help you in any way that I am able. If you oppose our Project, you are taking on a formidable adversary. I will do my utmost to make this a project of contributors--not of whiners--and I will make your ouster my priority goal!!!! If only ONE-THIRD of our voters want me out---I'M GONE--NO QUESTIONS ASKED!!!!!!! This is not a business--thank God. We don't have to worry about profit, overhead, sales, or any of those things businesses fret over. Instead, we furnish a service. We may even spend a substantial sum out of our pockets to reap nothing but good will. I assume that's what we signed on for--I did. If anyone in our Project chooses to make a motion that we stop tolerating bad behavior, I KNOW that someone will second it. Folks will vote and the MAJORITY will remove any obstacles. Its that simple!! If anyone chooses to copy this to any address, you have my permission. Ethics forbid me from sending this to the mandatory NC list. If you know of someone in the NCGW Project who doesn't ordinarily have access to list messages, please forward this to them. Faithfully yours, Derick S. Hartshorn NCGenWeb State Coordinator Visit the NC home page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/

Thought I would send this along so that you all could see it. Hopefully it can make it's way to the State lists as well. I know the volunteers appreciate it when someone lets them know their hard work has helped! Pam -----Original Message----- From: Medenisue@aol.com [mailto:Medenisue@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 2:26 PM To: webmaster@usgenweb.org Subject: Thank you! I just wanted to say I think this site is just wonderful. Thanks to all the volunteers and everyone who makes it possible. Sincerely, Susan Williams San Diego, CA

In memory of those we lost a year ago today - citizens, police and firemen - heros all, and to those who since then have given their all in the defense of freedom - we salute and honor you.

FYI forwarded from: "Kevin M. Kurdylo" <KKurdylo@facstaff.wisc.edu> Unique opportunity to participate in a conference and concert event: ?Sounds of Two Worlds: Music as a Mirror of Migration to and from Germany,? held by the Max Kade Institute on the UW-Madison Campus Sept 12-14. The conference will bring together scholars, folk artists, and the public to jointly explore the role of music in the migration experience and the shaping of ethnic identity. In addition to examining the music of German immigrants to America, particularly Wisconsin, speakers will address issues connected to ethnic music by recent immigrant groups to modern German-speaking countries in Europe. A special workshop for teachers will provide ideas and suggestions for including immigrant music in the school curriculum. Highlights include: � Presentations by leading European and American scholars on topics such as ?Turkish Music in Germany? and ?Music of Minorities in Austria,? ?German-American Singing Societies? and ?Euro-Ethnic Radio in America?. � A special exhibit on German-American music displayed in the Mills Music Library � A concert spotlighting seldom-heard music in the classic-romantic tradition of nineteenth-century German-American composers performed by UW faculty and students � Live music by Yid Vicious, the Monroe Swiss Singers, Madison M�nnerchor, and the Jerry Schneider Polka Band ALL EVENTS (INCLUDING WORKSHOP) ARE OPEN AND FREE TO THE PUBLIC For a detailed program and workshop registration information, please contact Antje Petty (608-262-7546) or apetty@facstaff.wisc.edu or visit our website http://csumc.wisc.edu/mki (click on NEWS) This conference is sponsored by the Max Kade Institute for German-American Studies, the Friends of the Max Kade Institute, the Center for the Study of Upper Midwestern Cultures, Mills Music Library, and the Wisconsin Arts Board; additional funding comes from a grant made by the Wisconsin Humanities Council with funds from the National Endowment for the Humanities. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

The Election Committee is searching for volunteers who would like to serve on the Election Committee. The "job" includes: Developing a working relationship with SCs and/or ASCs to maintain a current Project membership list; working hard the month of June and part of July to host the USGenWeb Project's Annual Election and the satisfaction of working with a good group of people to handle a very difficult job. Following are the positions open: Member at Large Term: Jan 1, 2003 - Dec 31, 2004 Northeast North Central Region Term: Now - Dec 31, 2003 Term: Jan 1, 2003 - Dec 31, 2004 Northwest Plains Term: Jan 1, 2003 - Dec 31, 2004 Southeast Mid Atlantic Term - Now - Dec 31, 2003 Term - Jan 1, 2003 - Dec 31, 2004 Southwest South Central Term: Jan 1, 2003 - Dec 31, 2004 More information about the EC is available at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwelections/ If you are interested in volunteering for the EC please drop a note to: usgenwebec@mindspring.com or contact me direct at: lhaasdav@mindspring.com Thank you for your time and please consider volunteering. Linda Davenport Chair, USGenWeb Project Election Committee

... to our own domain. Please change your links. http://www.kygenweb.net/index.html Thanks mucho, nt My Registry Number: http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/vols/00001.html#0000001 Help fight spam . . . get yours today: http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/index.html

The Election Committee is searching for volunteers who would like to serve on the Election Committee. The "job" includes: Developing a working relationship with SCs and/or ASCs to maintain a current Project membership list; working hard the month of June and part of July to host the USGenWeb Project's Annual Election and the satisfaction of working with a good group of people to handle a very difficult job. Following are the positions open: Member at Large Term: Jan 1, 2003 - Dec 31, 2004 Northeast North Central Region Term: Now - Dec 31, 2003 Term: Jan 1, 2003 - Dec 31, 2004 Northwest Plains Term: Jan 1, 2003 - Dec 31, 2004 Southeast Mid Atlantic Term - Now - Dec 31, 2003 Term - Jan 1, 2003 - Dec 31, 2004 Southwest South Central Term: Jan 1, 2003 - Dec 31, 2004 More information about the EC is available at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwelections/ If you are interested in volunteering for the EC please drop a note to: usgenwebec@mindspring.com or contact me direct at: lhaasdav@mindspring.com Thank you for your time and please consider volunteering. Linda Davenport Chair, USGenWeb Project Election Committee

Congratulations to ALL who participated ... those who ran helped to keep "free rides" down. Thank you to those who were members of the elections committee ... a tough job well done. I would ask that this be posted to the four region lists and the ALL- list. Thank you. Bill Oliver NW/Plains -=- Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > The Re-count of votes is completed therefore; > The 2002 Run-Off Election for Advisory Board > Representatives is declared ended. The following are > the results of the Run-Off Election. > > National Coordinator: > Total Votes: 340 > Richard Harrison: 233 > John Rigdon: 107 > The Election Committee hereby declares Richard > Harrison the winner. > > Northwest Plains Regional County Coordinator > Representative: > Total Votes: 66 > Gail Meyer Kilgore: 29 > Bill Oliver: 37 > The Election Committee hereby declares Bill Oliver > the winner. > > Southeast Mid Atlantic Regional County Coordinator > Representative: > Total Votes: 117 > Jimmy Epperson: 74 > Diane Kelly: 43 > The Election Committee hereby declares Jimmy > Epperson the winner. > > Southwest South Central Regional State Coordinator > Representative: > Total Votes: 87 > Phyllis Rippee: 45 > Bettie Wood: 42 > The Election Committee hereby declares Phyllis Rippee > the winner. > > The full results of the Annual Election and the > Run-Off Election will be available later today at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwelections/ > > The Election Committee wishes to thank everyone who > voted and the Candidates for their participation and > willingness to serve. > > The USGenWeb Project Election Committee

The Re-count of votes is completed therefore; The 2002 Run-Off Election for Advisory Board Representatives is declared ended. The following are the results of the Run-Off Election. National Coordinator: Total Votes: 340 Richard Harrison: 233 John Rigdon: 107 The Election Committee hereby declares Richard Harrison the winner. Northwest Plains Regional County Coordinator Representative: Total Votes: 66 Gail Meyer Kilgore: 29 Bill Oliver: 37 The Election Committee hereby declares Bill Oliver the winner. Southeast Mid Atlantic Regional County Coordinator Representative: Total Votes: 117 Jimmy Epperson: 74 Diane Kelly: 43 The Election Committee hereby declares Jimmy Epperson the winner. Southwest South Central Regional State Coordinator Representative: Total Votes: 87 Phyllis Rippee: 45 Bettie Wood: 42 The Election Committee hereby declares Phyllis Rippee the winner. The full results of the Annual Election and the Run-Off Election will be available later today at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwelections/ The Election Committee wishes to thank everyone who voted and the Candidates for their participation and willingness to serve. The USGenWeb Project Election Committee