From one ASC to another -- Thank you, Paul, your last paragraph said it all. Happy holidays to one and all, Leona L. Gustafson COGenWeb ASC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Buckley" <PaulDBuckley@worldnet.att.net> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:59 AM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD-L] NCGenNet server problems And to all. Obviously we can each find faults with our state and county pages. Could we please get back to our original intent to facilitate free genealogical information exchange within the confines of our bylaws and stop all this jockeying and bickering? Regards, Paul Buckley, NCGenWeb ASC

Ellen and Derick, Have a few thoughts about the messages y'all have posted to the state coordinator's list. Ellen, I am not happy with the MSGenWeb Project Page(s) in that y'all seem to be moving further and further away from being a USGenWeb Project Page to a "catch-all" for individuals and other web-based genealogy projects. You no longer identify your state page as a part of the USGenWeb Project but list "Genealogy Links" to the USGenWeb and AHGP. Which one are you? None of the Mississippi counties that I visit put their stuff on the USGenWeb Archives and cc's often leave taking down all transcriptions with them leaving us researchers in the dark. Seems to me that the whole idea of the USGenWeb project is/was to provide continuity. Perhaps most irritating about the MSGenWeb Project is that y'all have it fixed so that every time I visit your page(s), the only way that I can remove you from my lists is by editing my registry. And, if I click on any email reply options the actual sender is blocked, consequently this message reply to the list. So that you will know my Mississippi interests, I was born and raised around Jackson and my ancestors were there years before statehood. Also had the opportunity and inclination to splatter Trent on Highway 49 back in '65 and didn't take it...have always wondered if we wouldn't have all these problems if I had seized the moment and spent my life at Parchman. Derick, don't think you should be apologizing for your ultimatum. Diane & Co. continually flaunt the NCGenWeb/USGenWeb projects by putting up multiple pages on multiple servers, none providing USGenWeb continuity...but always remaining within the USGenWeb bylaws. However, my understanding of the bylaws requires local projects to provide viable pages hosted at their own expense and accept that responsibility when signing on as members. Further, Diane's NCROOTS.COM pages are already exact duplicates of her USGenWeb Pages without the USGenWeb/NCGenWeb logos or affiliation and are/have remained accessible throughout the USGENCONNECT downtime. Appears that Diane doesn't really have an interest in maintaining pages for the USGenWeb/NCGenWeb Project. Maybe a little harsh. But, we all should know by now that ISP's and web hosting services come and go. Even Ancestry/RootsWeb have frequent problems. And if a cc is not doing their job, the sc should simply take appropriate action without a lot of unproductive discussions. Bottom line, local project hosting is the responsibility of the cc who is justified in contingency assistance from the state coordinator. I agree with Ellen on that aspect. Moreover, lets not forget that RootsWeb, Inc. is not always reliable. Case in point is this evening when they were unexplainably down for a couple of hours. And to all. Obviously we can each find faults with our state and county pages. Could we please get back to our original intent to facilitate free genealogical information exchange within the confines of our bylaws and stop all this jockeying and bickering? Regards, Paul Buckley, NCGenWeb ASC ----- Original Message ----- From: Ellen Pack <e.j.pack@telocity.com> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD-L] NCGenNet server problems > At 11:12 AM 12/16/2002 -0500, Derick wrote: > ><snip> > >In an earlier response to Ellen, I noted that the page owner had placed a > >USGenNet redirect to explain the problem. > > I'm sorry, apparently I missed your earlier response, so I'm unable to comment. > > What I'm saying basically is that this is not a problem that effects only > one state, or even one project. But even if it did, it's not a time to > place more pressure on good CCs to do something they may not be able to do. > > It would, however, be a good time to support and assist them. Place a > notice on the state page, offer to help CCs find alternative temporary or > permanent space if they desire, encourage them to place notices on their > county lists, help them fend off complaints from researchers, and so forth. > > Times like this people need help, not a short "or else", and especially not > at this busy time of the year. I know you're concerned about the state, > and rightly so, but think of it in the long term. I know you don't want to > lose the sites and data temporarily, but would it be better to lose it all > permanently? > > Ellen > >

At 11:53 AM 12/17/02, you wrote: >Very nice note, Derick. Ellen, Thanks very much. I have never forgotten how you jumped my case sometime back. It hurt--but you were right--really and truly! I hated to admit it at the time. I guess that's because of my rebel (SCV) tendencies. I have always rooted for the under-dog. I always hated injustice and unnecessary violence. I have always despised back-stabbers, crooks, shysters, intimidators and frauds. I'm no goody-goody but I believe in what's right. You have been in this Project as long as I have and I respect your opinion and judgement. And and I listen when you speak. When you accused me of being reactive I tried to become more subjective and less judgemental. I *really* tried hard to be more pro-active and more understanding. During the current USGenNet outage the only person who was off-line without accepting assistance from our Project was Diane Mason Kelly. I worked with Tracy Putnam (Craven Co, NCGWP-now on http://www.carolinacuzins.org/) to help her get established. She was the only other CC in our Project served by USGenNet to remain down that I am aware of. Diane's characterization of our leadership and motives makes me very uncomfortable. In an attempt to gain support for her personal grievances, Diane has actually resorted to posting to anonymous folks on the Hyde Co (genealogical) list. She has sought to use them as her sympathetic foils. (see http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/NCHYDE/2002-12/1040093602 and the same thread) Could it be that all four of our past and present NC State Coordinators have been wrong all along and that Diane was right? All of us have been assailed by Diane for a variety of grievances; too many to reference here. I have honestly tried to find a single post on the NC archive lists or any other ones where Diane has been anything but critical, confrontive or abusive. None of her posts are of genealogical or historical relevance and she has never appeared to contribute anything constructive or substantive on her public posts. She publicly stated that transcribing is in some way, demeaning. Her supporters post negative e-mails and little else. On public lists her demeanor has been combative and confrontive. She tries to use unsuspecting Eastern NC researchers to support her plaintive cries of "discrimination." She sheds crocodile tears ("...they all dislike me...") and portrays herself as the aggrieved party. In the latest Hyde County "Crocodile Tears Daily," Diane focuses on several critical negative references to me. Her supporters don't know a blessed thing about me--and they haven't--from the git-go. Yet Diane has them hypnotized into writing hate mail to me. One even called me a "newcomer." HA ! (Check my name on Google). Another accused me of persecuting Diane. Fortunately common sense has prevailed and she has been unsubbed from yet another list by the attentive list-owners. I have been accused of being: a reactionary / a pacifist, a wild-eyed liberal / a reactionary conservative, a trouble-maker / a pacifier, a usurper / a uniter, a dictator / a volunteer. Funny thing is, most of my detractors are either very cozy with Diane or with her organizations. Actually, since Diane is the President of WebRoots (USGenWeb.us) and ncroots.com, it's difficult to tell whose-who without a score card. Check it out for yourselves. Don't take my word for it. Ask the former members of the defunct IIGS about their tragic history and their association with Mr. Daryl Lytton. Check the following archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/USGENWEB-ALL http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/USGENWEB-DISCUSS http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/NCGENWEB-DISCUSS http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/NCHYDE/2002-12 http://www.ncroots.com/ <<please check these sites to evaluate their content> That's not the whole story. After serving (surviving?) as Acct./Asst. NCGWP SC with Sharon Williamson (1999-2001), and Elizabeth Harris, before her (1997-1999), I was elected in a run-off election as No. Car. State Coordinator, July, 2002. I immediately came in contact with an individual named Daryl Lytton who recommended that a certain Maggie Olson become a CC of one of our counties. The recommendation seemed legitimate and harmless enough. Only later did we discover that Maggie was a figment of Daryl's fertile imagination. He was subsequently expelled from the NCGenWeb for fraud, deceit and activities detrimental to the NCGenWeb Project by a unanimous vote of the NCGenWeb Project Board. He continues to threaten me personally, in veiled tones, suggesting libel charges, as well as ominous threats of "...there is still time to step down..." (as a matter of public record--as are all of my sources) See http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/USGENWEB-ALL/, Digest V02 Issue #4881, 2 Sept 2002 Re: There is still time....] Since Mr. Lytton has been banished from our Project, this matter is, for the moment, behind us. Problem is, we still have another issue to deal with. It seems that Ms. Diane (Mason) Kelly, founding President of Daryl's privately owned domain, Webroots.org, Inc., continues to occupy this position as well as being the CC of five Eastern NCGWP counties. Daryl has now stolen the Service Mark of the USGENWEB PROJECT and has bought the usgenweb.us domain. Man, talk about chutzpah !!! I am a great supporter of the free enterprise system but something here just doesn't spell M-O-T-H-E-R. Please go to the references contained in http://webpages.charter.net/derickh/exposure.htm . This was provided to me by an anonymous individual whom I really thank: Thanks Damon! Diane, under the pseudonym "Beaufort," was a joint signator (along with Daryl and the erstwhile Lt. Col.) in a libel charge against the National Coordinator, the AB and just about anyone connected with the Project. (See http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/USGENWEB-ALL/2002-07/1026348950 ) and other messages archived under the NCGENWEB-DISCUSS-L Archives, Jul-Sep, 2002. Make your own judgements Rather than burn up bandwith, please check: http://webpages.charter.net/derickh/exposure.htm This pretty well explains the plight of the NCGenWeb Project and the accompanying waste of good volunteerism time, blithely unknown to the rest of this USGWProject. Hopefully my presence on the USGWP By-Laws Committee will not be for nought and we can get back to serving the public. Regarding my feeling of late, I seriously considered telling Isaiah Harrison, our NC, to take this SC job and shove it. The pay sucks, the complaints are asinine, the detractors border on being anarchists and dwarfs and it just plain doesn't make me feel good. Before this, I wrote books, transcribed documents, penned journal articles and had fun. Why do I endure this?? And for what???? I have asked myself the same question--as has my wife. Besides being a lightning rod and a glutton for punishment, I still enjoy meeting the hard-working folks that make this Project the ultimate "WORTH-WHILE." Anyway, Ellen, your initial admonitions to me have helped me become less reactive and confrontive but hopefully, no less expressive. Anyone choosing to donate to my legal defense fund to defend against libel lawsuits filed by webroots or their ilk--forget it. I have enough screen-captures and traces, URLS, witnesses, and have documented more than enough evidence to prevail in any court in the land against any of the idiots that cause turmoil within these all-volunteer organizations. Do you think I need an ego boost? Guess again!!! Legal threats??? I say, BRING IT ON!!!!! Best wishes, --Derick NC SC *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* For more Catawba County, NC help, queries, resources and lookups, visit our NCGenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/ Subscribe to "West of the Catawba" mail list -- 500+ subscribers! To learn of other genealogical resources provided by RootsWeb, see: http://www.rootsweb.com/ *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* =============================================================================================== At 11:53 AM 12/17/02, you wrote: >Very nice note, Derick. > >Ellen > >At 05:42 PM 12/16/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>In an attempt to protect the NCGenWeb Project from a mass outage, I made >>the decision to set an end date to dead pages. Not recognizing the impact >>on other states, a shut-off date for de-linking pages was set for 31 Dec >>midnite. I have received many explanations and suggestions on this >>matter. I have thoughtfully read them, and will look at this situation >>from a different perspective. >> >>Anyone having NCGenWeb Project pages housed on the USGenNet server will >>not experience de-linking on any specific date due to hardware/software >>situations beyond their control. At the same time, the NCGWP Board stands >>ready to assist with short-term solutions to server problems for anyone >>who asks. >> >>If this has resulted in any anxiety on the part of any CC, I am sorry. >> >> >>Derick S. Hartshorn >>NCGenWeb State Coordinator >>nc@usgenweb.org >> >>Visit the NC home page at: >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/ *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* For more Catawba County, NC help, queries, resources and lookups, visit our NCGenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nccatawb/ Subscribe to "West of the Catawba" mail list -- 500+ subscribers! To learn of other genealogical resources provided by RootsWeb, see: http://www.rootsweb.com/ *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Very nice note, Derick. Ellen At 05:42 PM 12/16/2002 -0500, you wrote: >In an attempt to protect the NCGenWeb Project from a mass outage, I made >the decision to set an end date to dead pages. Not recognizing the impact >on other states, a shut-off date for de-linking pages was set for 31 Dec >midnite. I have received many explanations and suggestions on this matter. >I have thoughtfully read them, and will look at this situation from a >different perspective. > >Anyone having NCGenWeb Project pages housed on the USGenNet server will >not experience de-linking on any specific date due to hardware/software >situations beyond their control. At the same time, the NCGWP Board stands >ready to assist with short-term solutions to server problems for anyone >who asks. > >If this has resulted in any anxiety on the part of any CC, I am sorry. > > >Derick S. Hartshorn >NCGenWeb State Coordinator >nc@usgenweb.org > >Visit the NC home page at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/ >

I would certainly hope that folks would be understanding with a major problem with RootsWeb. I also believe that patience should be observed with this server outage. If any of my counties were down, I would set up the link from the state page to go to a temporary page that explains the problem and inviting them to check back later. I have done that in the past for a different server that was down. Maybe Ed won't mind if I share an example of one of the pages - http://www.rootsweb.com/~arclark/ - that was used several years ago when his server was down. Betsy On 12:51 PM 12/16/2002 -0800, Joy Fisher said: >The SC could put up a page on the state web site: > >"Sorry this web site is temporarily down. Check here >for the most recent developments (and link to the >usgennet web site). For more information about this >county, contact (and put CC's e-mail addy here)" > >Then link from the state site to this page and comment >out the current web site link. All you need to do is >add a "!-- " in front of the <a href... in the html >code, like this: > ><!-- a href... > >and put a " --" at the end of the link's ".../a>", >like this: > >/a --> > >Once the server is restored, all you do is remove the >links to the temp page and delete the added code from >the commented out links. > >Derrick: If rootsweb went down, would declare all the >rest of the NC web sites abandoned? > >--- Ellen Pack <e.j.pack@telocity.com> wrote: > > At 11:12 AM 12/16/2002 -0500, Derick wrote: > > ><snip> > > >In an earlier response to Ellen, I noted that the > > page owner had placed a > > >USGenNet redirect to explain the problem. > > > > I'm sorry, apparently I missed your earlier > > response, so I'm unable to comment. > > > > What I'm saying basically is that this is not a > > problem that effects only > > one state, or even one project. But even if it did, > > it's not a time to > > place more pressure on good CCs to do something they > > may not be able to do. > > > > It would, however, be a good time to support and > > assist them. Place a > > notice on the state page, offer to help CCs find > > alternative temporary or > > permanent space if they desire, encourage them to > > place notices on their > > county lists, help them fend off complaints from > > researchers, and so forth. > > > > Times like this people need help, not a short "or > > else", and especially not > > at this busy time of the year. I know you're > > concerned about the state, > > and rightly so, but think of it in the long term. I > > know you don't want to > > lose the sites and data temporarily, but would it be > > better to lose it all > > permanently? > > > > Ellen > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com

In an attempt to protect the NCGenWeb Project from a mass outage, I made the decision to set an end date to dead pages. Not recognizing the impact on other states, a shut-off date for de-linking pages was set for 31 Dec midnite. I have received many explanations and suggestions on this matter. I have thoughtfully read them, and will look at this situation from a different perspective. Anyone having NCGenWeb Project pages housed on the USGenNet server will not experience de-linking on any specific date due to hardware/software situations beyond their control. At the same time, the NCGWP Board stands ready to assist with short-term solutions to server problems for anyone who asks. If this has resulted in any anxiety on the part of any CC, I am sorry. Derick S. Hartshorn NCGenWeb State Coordinator nc@usgenweb.org Visit the NC home page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/

----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Fisher" <sdgenweb@yahoo.com> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD-L] NCGenNet server problems [snip] > Derrick: If rootsweb went down, would declare all the > rest of the NC web sites abandoned? [snip] If Rootsweb went down, most of us couldn't declare anything to a wide audience since many of us use Rootsweb for our lists. I do have an "internal" (to my email client) list of my CCs, so I could at least get that far. George p.s. I'll let Derick answer your question to him re NC... however speaking MA and CT I would give it a good while before asking CCs to move. But, eventually if a CC does not have an active site, that CC would need to be replaced.

At 11:12 AM 12/16/2002 -0500, Derick wrote: ><snip> >In an earlier response to Ellen, I noted that the page owner had placed a >USGenNet redirect to explain the problem. I'm sorry, apparently I missed your earlier response, so I'm unable to comment. What I'm saying basically is that this is not a problem that effects only one state, or even one project. But even if it did, it's not a time to place more pressure on good CCs to do something they may not be able to do. It would, however, be a good time to support and assist them. Place a notice on the state page, offer to help CCs find alternative temporary or permanent space if they desire, encourage them to place notices on their county lists, help them fend off complaints from researchers, and so forth. Times like this people need help, not a short "or else", and especially not at this busy time of the year. I know you're concerned about the state, and rightly so, but think of it in the long term. I know you don't want to lose the sites and data temporarily, but would it be better to lose it all permanently? Ellen

> I am more than willing to bend on a time limit but having eight > counties (12%) down presents a big hit on our Project. > This also illustrates the potential problems that can occur when a > single individual has accumulated this many county Projects. > In an earlier response to Ellen, I noted that the page owner had placed > a USGenNet redirect to explain the problem. The page owner didn't put up the redirect to explain the problem. It was put up by USGenNet for all the pages it hosts, for the exact same page exists for each county in TN hosted there and for the state page as well. > If anyone has suggestions for handling this problem I am certainly > willing to listen to them. > > Derick S. Hartshorn > State Coordinator, NCGenWeb Project ------------------------------------------------------via webmail---- Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net

The SC could put up a page on the state web site: "Sorry this web site is temporarily down. Check here for the most recent developments (and link to the usgennet web site). For more information about this county, contact (and put CC's e-mail addy here)" Then link from the state site to this page and comment out the current web site link. All you need to do is add a "!-- " in front of the <a href... in the html code, like this: <!-- a href... and put a " --" at the end of the link's ".../a>", like this: /a --> Once the server is restored, all you do is remove the links to the temp page and delete the added code from the commented out links. Derrick: If rootsweb went down, would declare all the rest of the NC web sites abandoned? --- Ellen Pack <e.j.pack@telocity.com> wrote: > At 11:12 AM 12/16/2002 -0500, Derick wrote: > ><snip> > >In an earlier response to Ellen, I noted that the > page owner had placed a > >USGenNet redirect to explain the problem. > > I'm sorry, apparently I missed your earlier > response, so I'm unable to comment. > > What I'm saying basically is that this is not a > problem that effects only > one state, or even one project. But even if it did, > it's not a time to > place more pressure on good CCs to do something they > may not be able to do. > > It would, however, be a good time to support and > assist them. Place a > notice on the state page, offer to help CCs find > alternative temporary or > permanent space if they desire, encourage them to > place notices on their > county lists, help them fend off complaints from > researchers, and so forth. > > Times like this people need help, not a short "or > else", and especially not > at this busy time of the year. I know you're > concerned about the state, > and rightly so, but think of it in the long term. I > know you don't want to > lose the sites and data temporarily, but would it be > better to lose it all > permanently? > > Ellen > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

I am more than willing to bend on a time limit but having eight counties (12%) down presents a big hit on our Project. This also illustrates the potential problems that can occur when a single individual has accumulated this many county Projects. In an earlier response to Ellen, I noted that the page owner had placed a USGenNet redirect to explain the problem. If anyone has suggestions for handling this problem I am certainly willing to listen to them. Derick S. Hartshorn State Coordinator, NCGenWeb Project At 10:55 AM 12/16/02, you wrote: >Hi Derick and all, >I don't believe Derick asked for our advice... maybe I'm wrong. >But we don't seem to be able to resist... myself included. > >Derick is absolutely right that the resources that are not available >should be made available asap. My quibble with Derick is that >two weeks is not enough... I'd say a month (it's a hectic time of >year) > >My other unsolicited comment/plug is that Rootsweb has been >there thru thick and thin and I am one of those who favors using >Rootsweb whenever feasible. > >Admittedly I have not thought of a backup plan if Rootsweb goes >down... too horrifying to imagine. But, as Derick mentions, it >should not be difficult to find another site temporarily. > >George of MA and CT > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ellen Pack" <e.j.pack@telocity.com> >To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:52 AM >Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD-L] NCGenNet server problems > > > > Derick, have you considered putting up a notice on the state home page > > explaining the problem so the researchers will at least know what's going > > on, and that it's a temporary situation? You know, express regret, server > > folks working as quickly as possible, thanks for patience, etc. > > > > You could direct visitors to http://www.californios.us/usgn/ a page where > > updates are posted. > > > > Most computer users are accustomed to running into down servers, and would > > understand and appreciate being informed. It would be a terrible shame >for > > the state/researchers to lose all that accumulated material, not to >mention > > a lot of experienced and hard working CCs, because of a situation over > > which no one has control. > > > > I apologize if you've already put up such a notice, but I couldn't find >one. > > > > Ellen Pack > > MS SC > > > > At 10:12 PM 12/15/2002 -0500, Derick S. Hartshorn wrote: > > >The NCGenWeb Project and its members are being severely harmed by the > > >inaccessibility of pages hosted by USGenNet. > > > > > >I have sympathy for USGenNet and their members but Project patrons trying > > >to access our pages through the USGenWeb Project county page > > >(http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/county.html) are not currently being > > >served. I have received several complaints, as have our ASC's, and >others. > > >Most folks have expressed displeasure at not having a single county > > >source, for some particular Eastern North Carolina county. They have > > >reported that the ALHN pages (served by Fred Smoot's server), the AHGP > > >page (also served by Mr. Smoot's server) and USGenNet (Mr. Smoot >himself), > > >were down and waiting for new hardware replacements. In addition Diane > > >Mason Kelly, (President of Webroots.org, founder of ncroots.com and CC of > > >several Eastern NCGWP counties) had all her NC GenWeb Project pages down. > > >She fails to explain the entire down-time problem but does present a > > >lovely Christmas page at www.ncroots.com. She sent a post to our Project > > >indicating USGenNet hardware problems--nothing else. Nothing to indicate > > >when her NCGWP sites would become re-actived. Her Burke County link > > >(http://ncroots.com/Burke/) to the Burke Co. Data Base > > >(http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncburke/burkedat.htm) seems to be a pretty > > >honest appraisal of the entire situation. I do disagree with several > > >points made but overall, it seems to be quite accurate. > > > > > >Nobody from the USGenNet has ever contacted me regarding the estimated > > >down-time, let alone offered an apology for the inconvenience they have > > >caused our Project so I have no idea how long our affiliated NCGenWeb > > >Project pages will be out of service. > > > > > >It is the responsibility of each page owner to provide for server space > > >from whatever individual or entity they choose. Nevertheless, it is the > > >responsibility of that same page owner to provide for contingency plans > > >when the unexpected occurs. > > > > > >I am forced by the current situation to issue a notice to page owners of > > >any and all USGenNet-hosted sites within our NCGenWeb Project. Measures > > >must be taken, and taken immediately. Effective midnight, December 31st, > > >2002, any pages not active in the NCGenWeb Project shall be declared to >be > > >abandoned and will be retained by the NCGenWeb Project to be available >for > > >adoption and/or re-assignment to an appropriate, knowledgeable and > > >reliable page owner. > > > > > >I believe that two weeks is ample time for the situation to correct >itself > > >or for the CC page owners to find alternate server space. For that >reason, > > >I trust that the NCGenWeb Project will be on even track in 2003 and that > > >each and every one of you will enjoy a blessed holiday season and reflect > > >on God's blessings on us all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Derick S. Hartshorn > > >NCGenWeb State Coordinator > > >nc@usgenweb.org > > > > > >Visit the NC home page at: > > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/ > > > > > > >

Hi Derick and all, I don't believe Derick asked for our advice... maybe I'm wrong. But we don't seem to be able to resist... myself included. Derick is absolutely right that the resources that are not available should be made available asap. My quibble with Derick is that two weeks is not enough... I'd say a month (it's a hectic time of year) My other unsolicited comment/plug is that Rootsweb has been there thru thick and thin and I am one of those who favors using Rootsweb whenever feasible. Admittedly I have not thought of a backup plan if Rootsweb goes down... too horrifying to imagine. But, as Derick mentions, it should not be difficult to find another site temporarily. George of MA and CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Pack" <e.j.pack@telocity.com> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD-L] NCGenNet server problems > Derick, have you considered putting up a notice on the state home page > explaining the problem so the researchers will at least know what's going > on, and that it's a temporary situation? You know, express regret, server > folks working as quickly as possible, thanks for patience, etc. > > You could direct visitors to http://www.californios.us/usgn/ a page where > updates are posted. > > Most computer users are accustomed to running into down servers, and would > understand and appreciate being informed. It would be a terrible shame for > the state/researchers to lose all that accumulated material, not to mention > a lot of experienced and hard working CCs, because of a situation over > which no one has control. > > I apologize if you've already put up such a notice, but I couldn't find one. > > Ellen Pack > MS SC > > At 10:12 PM 12/15/2002 -0500, Derick S. Hartshorn wrote: > >The NCGenWeb Project and its members are being severely harmed by the > >inaccessibility of pages hosted by USGenNet. > > > >I have sympathy for USGenNet and their members but Project patrons trying > >to access our pages through the USGenWeb Project county page > >(http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/county.html) are not currently being > >served. I have received several complaints, as have our ASC's, and others. > >Most folks have expressed displeasure at not having a single county > >source, for some particular Eastern North Carolina county. They have > >reported that the ALHN pages (served by Fred Smoot's server), the AHGP > >page (also served by Mr. Smoot's server) and USGenNet (Mr. Smoot himself), > >were down and waiting for new hardware replacements. In addition Diane > >Mason Kelly, (President of Webroots.org, founder of ncroots.com and CC of > >several Eastern NCGWP counties) had all her NC GenWeb Project pages down. > >She fails to explain the entire down-time problem but does present a > >lovely Christmas page at www.ncroots.com. She sent a post to our Project > >indicating USGenNet hardware problems--nothing else. Nothing to indicate > >when her NCGWP sites would become re-actived. Her Burke County link > >(http://ncroots.com/Burke/) to the Burke Co. Data Base > >(http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncburke/burkedat.htm) seems to be a pretty > >honest appraisal of the entire situation. I do disagree with several > >points made but overall, it seems to be quite accurate. > > > >Nobody from the USGenNet has ever contacted me regarding the estimated > >down-time, let alone offered an apology for the inconvenience they have > >caused our Project so I have no idea how long our affiliated NCGenWeb > >Project pages will be out of service. > > > >It is the responsibility of each page owner to provide for server space > >from whatever individual or entity they choose. Nevertheless, it is the > >responsibility of that same page owner to provide for contingency plans > >when the unexpected occurs. > > > >I am forced by the current situation to issue a notice to page owners of > >any and all USGenNet-hosted sites within our NCGenWeb Project. Measures > >must be taken, and taken immediately. Effective midnight, December 31st, > >2002, any pages not active in the NCGenWeb Project shall be declared to be > >abandoned and will be retained by the NCGenWeb Project to be available for > >adoption and/or re-assignment to an appropriate, knowledgeable and > >reliable page owner. > > > >I believe that two weeks is ample time for the situation to correct itself > >or for the CC page owners to find alternate server space. For that reason, > >I trust that the NCGenWeb Project will be on even track in 2003 and that > >each and every one of you will enjoy a blessed holiday season and reflect > >on God's blessings on us all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Derick S. Hartshorn > >NCGenWeb State Coordinator > >nc@usgenweb.org > > > >Visit the NC home page at: > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/ > > > >

Derick, have you considered putting up a notice on the state home page explaining the problem so the researchers will at least know what's going on, and that it's a temporary situation? You know, express regret, server folks working as quickly as possible, thanks for patience, etc. You could direct visitors to http://www.californios.us/usgn/ a page where updates are posted. Most computer users are accustomed to running into down servers, and would understand and appreciate being informed. It would be a terrible shame for the state/researchers to lose all that accumulated material, not to mention a lot of experienced and hard working CCs, because of a situation over which no one has control. I apologize if you've already put up such a notice, but I couldn't find one. Ellen Pack MS SC At 10:12 PM 12/15/2002 -0500, Derick S. Hartshorn wrote: >The NCGenWeb Project and its members are being severely harmed by the >inaccessibility of pages hosted by USGenNet. > >I have sympathy for USGenNet and their members but Project patrons trying >to access our pages through the USGenWeb Project county page >(http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/county.html) are not currently being >served. I have received several complaints, as have our ASC's, and others. >Most folks have expressed displeasure at not having a single county >source, for some particular Eastern North Carolina county. They have >reported that the ALHN pages (served by Fred Smoot's server), the AHGP >page (also served by Mr. Smoot's server) and USGenNet (Mr. Smoot himself), >were down and waiting for new hardware replacements. In addition Diane >Mason Kelly, (President of Webroots.org, founder of ncroots.com and CC of >several Eastern NCGWP counties) had all her NC GenWeb Project pages down. >She fails to explain the entire down-time problem but does present a >lovely Christmas page at www.ncroots.com. She sent a post to our Project >indicating USGenNet hardware problems--nothing else. Nothing to indicate >when her NCGWP sites would become re-actived. Her Burke County link >(http://ncroots.com/Burke/) to the Burke Co. Data Base >(http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncburke/burkedat.htm) seems to be a pretty >honest appraisal of the entire situation. I do disagree with several >points made but overall, it seems to be quite accurate. > >Nobody from the USGenNet has ever contacted me regarding the estimated >down-time, let alone offered an apology for the inconvenience they have >caused our Project so I have no idea how long our affiliated NCGenWeb >Project pages will be out of service. > >It is the responsibility of each page owner to provide for server space >from whatever individual or entity they choose. Nevertheless, it is the >responsibility of that same page owner to provide for contingency plans >when the unexpected occurs. > >I am forced by the current situation to issue a notice to page owners of >any and all USGenNet-hosted sites within our NCGenWeb Project. Measures >must be taken, and taken immediately. Effective midnight, December 31st, >2002, any pages not active in the NCGenWeb Project shall be declared to be >abandoned and will be retained by the NCGenWeb Project to be available for >adoption and/or re-assignment to an appropriate, knowledgeable and >reliable page owner. > >I believe that two weeks is ample time for the situation to correct itself >or for the CC page owners to find alternate server space. For that reason, >I trust that the NCGenWeb Project will be on even track in 2003 and that >each and every one of you will enjoy a blessed holiday season and reflect >on God's blessings on us all. > > > > > > > >Derick S. Hartshorn >NCGenWeb State Coordinator >nc@usgenweb.org > >Visit the NC home page at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/ >

At 10:12 PM 12/15/02 -0500, Derick S. Hartshorn wrote: >The NCGenWeb Project and its members are being severely harmed by the >inaccessibility of pages hosted by USGenNet. So is the TennesseeGenWeb Project, yet I haven't seen the SC there issuing such edicts as you have below. Instead she is keeping the CCs abreast of the situation on an ongoing basis. Not all counties of TNGenWeb are located on USGenNet - but that's not the real issue here. >I have sympathy for USGenNet and their members but Project patrons trying >to access our pages through the USGenWeb Project county page >(http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/county.html) are not currently being >served. I have received several complaints, as have our ASC's, and others. >Most folks have expressed displeasure at not having a single county source, >for some particular Eastern North Carolina county. They have reported that >the ALHN pages (served by Fred Smoot's server), the AHGP page (also served >by Mr. Smoot's server) and USGenNet (Mr. Smoot himself), were down and >waiting for new hardware replacements. In addition Diane Mason Kelly, >(President of Webroots.org, founder of ncroots.com and CC of several >Eastern NCGWP counties) had all her NC GenWeb Project pages down. She fails >to explain the entire down-time problem but does present a lovely Christmas >page at www.ncroots.com. She sent a post to our Project indicating USGenNet >hardware problems--nothing else. Nothing to indicate when her NCGWP sites >would become re-actived. Her Burke County link (http://ncroots.com/Burke/) >to the Burke Co. Data Base (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncburke/burkedat.htm) >seems to be a pretty honest appraisal of the entire situation. I do >disagree with several points made but overall, it seems to be quite accurate. > >Nobody from the USGenNet has ever contacted me regarding the estimated >down-time, let alone offered an apology for the inconvenience they have >caused our Project so I have no idea how long our affiliated NCGenWeb >Project pages will be out of service. No one from AOL, GeoCities or any other ISP contacts me when their servers go down for mostly they neither have the time, no would even know who to contact that might have connections to all the pages they host. >It is the responsibility of each page owner to provide for server space >from whatever individual or entity they choose. Nevertheless, it is the >responsibility of that same page owner to provide for contingency plans >when the unexpected occurs. Really? Do you have a contingency plan for everything in your life that might come up as an unexpected event occurs? I seriously doubt so. Since a goodly portion of North Carolina sites are most likely hosted at Rootsweb, do your CCs know that you expect them to have a contingency plan when Rootsweb might go down for an extended time due to unforeseen circumstances whether it be natural disaster or server issues? >I am forced by the current situation to issue a notice to page owners of >any and all USGenNet-hosted sites within our NCGenWeb Project. Measures >must be taken, and taken immediately. Effective midnight, December 31st, >2002, any pages not active in the NCGenWeb Project shall be declared to be >abandoned and will be retained by the NCGenWeb Project to be available for >adoption and/or re-assignment to an appropriate, knowledgeable and reliable >page owner. > >I believe that two weeks is ample time for the situation to correct itself >or for the CC page owners to find alternate server space. For that reason, >I trust that the NCGenWeb Project will be on even track in 2003 and that >each and every one of you will enjoy a blessed holiday season and reflect >on God's blessings on us all. I currently have a CC that wrote to the SCs of Georgia and Florida that she was having computer problems and asked what to do since she would be unable to fix or replace her computer for a couple of months, even though she could read and answer email from her work address. I have no idea how the Florida SC address the situation but in Georgia we are working with her until such time as she can get her situation under control. Surely you can give folks leeway in such unusual circumstances. Is it not in the best interests of our overall Project that you do so? Tim Stowell Georgia SC SE/MA SC Rep to the AB

Derick, I am in no way suggesting that your pages don't reflect the many server resources available to your CC's. My concern is more, have you *specifically* offered to the CC's affected by these server issues, a place temporarily within your state directories, or *specifically* presented to them other server resources as State Coordinator of the NCGenWeb Project? Server issues happen. Your NCGenWeb Project County Coordinators, volunteers, contributors and NCGenWeb Project visitors should not be penalized for a situation that is out of their control. Tina Vickery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derick S. Hartshorn" <derickh@charter.net> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD-L] Re: NCGenNet server problems > Tina, > > The NCGWP volunteer page spells out the guide lines for obtaining web space: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/volunteer.html > > We make no specific recommendations for ISPs. > We try to offer valid alternatives and encourage members to exercise their > options. > Please visit the above page and feel free to offer suggestions as to how we > can improve upon it. > > Derick S. Hartshorn > NCGenWeb State Coordinator > nc@usgenweb.org > > > > At 12:41 AM 12/16/02, you wrote: > >Derick, > > > >Just my personal observation, but have you offered to your CC's affected > >by these server issues, a place temporarily within your state directories, > >or presented to them other server resources? > > > >Tina Vickery > >SC WIGenWeb Project > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Derick S. Hartshorn" <derickh@charter.net> > >To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:46 AM > >Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Re: NCGenNet server problems > > > > > > > Jan, > > > > > > I have been very understanding. I have personally experienced the same > >kind > > > of hardware problems back in 1994. That's why I can be sympathetic. I > > > represent the NCGenWen Project, as I was elected to do. If I was on the > > > Board of the USGenNet, I would be just as supportive of their problems. I > > > have been elected to represent my constituants. I'm sure you can > >understand > > > my position. I think, until New Year's Eve, that time limit is reasonable > > > to expect the restoration of the missing NCGWP pages. > > > > > > As for the notifications on the NCGWP pages, that has been done by the > > > pages owners themselved. At the present time, those pages read: > > > > > > Welcome to USGenNet Inc. > > > We are currently in the process of replacing our main server. Please visit > > > our temporary location for updates and server replacement status. > > > We apologize for any inconvenience that we may have caused you. --The > > > USGenNet Staff > > > > > > or messages to that effect > > > > > > This is not acceptable to the NCGenWeb Project. Please refer to my > >original > > > message to avoid any misquotes. > > > > > > Derick S. Hartshorn > > > NCGenWeb State Coordinator > > > nc@usgenweb.org > > > > > > > > > At 01:36 AM 12/16/02, you wrote: > > > >Mr. Hartshorn, > > > > > > > >While I find this a very unfortunate situation that USGennet is down and > >you > > > >have pages in the NCGenWeb that are not being accessed by visitors, I > > > >believe that the server will be installed in as expedient a manner as > > > >possible. And believe me, you aren't the only state with this problem! > > > > > > > >Would it be so difficult for you to put some sort of note on the main > >North > > > >Carolina page? USGennet has notes up - why can't you? Give 'em a break! > > > > > > > >Just my two cents worth! > > > > > > > >Jan Cortez > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Derick S. Hartshorn" <derickh@charter.net> > > > >To: <NCGENWEB-DISCUSS-L@rootsweb.com>; <NCGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com>; > > > ><PaulDBuckley@worldnet.att.net>; <angie@angiesplace.behosting.com>; > > > ><crystal@pebbles.net>; <CDZ4U@aol.com>; <nduffy@patch.net>; > > > ><Babydolls1@webtv.net>; <bordeaux@rconnect.com>; <camorrison@ibm.net>; > > > ><canova@tstar.net>; <claricemills@sprintmail.com>; > > > ><clint@washington.xtn.net>; <cpbarnes@patriot.net>; <crilley@eramp.net>; > > > ><D1D@prodigy.net>; <DAStoddard@aol.com>; <DRicci205@aol.com>; > > > ><freebirdnc@yahoo.com>; <gsmith@weblnk.net>; <hcgenhis@brinet.com>; > > > ><hen1@idt.net>; <hollyft@bright.net>; <javan@paonline.com>; > > > ><jhyde01@mail.orion.org>; <jmack@carolina.net>; <jqtravel@pacbell.net>; > > > ><jyhy55@juno.com>; <knightma@nightly.com>; > ><linda_sorrell753@hotmail.com>; > > > ><LinMil@dnet.net>; <listmaster@rootsweb.com>; <marceline@mindspring.com>; > > > ><martingen@hotmail.com>; <mary@thedrake.org>; > ><micajah@pencoelectric.org>; > > > ><mingianc@blueridge.net>; <mnagy43021@ameritech.net>; > > > ><mooregen@mindspring.com>; <MWISE@prodigy.net>; <mthiesse@swbell.net>; > > > ><ncgen@mindspring.com>; <ncrowan@yahoo.com>; <pday@elltel.net>; > > > ><perquimanscountync@hotmail.com>; <pettit@Adobe.COM>; > > > ><pinkn001@mc.duke.edu>; <pituso@mesh.net>; <poohtiggr@aol.com>; > > > ><poppabear@cconnect.net>; <ppspatters@blueridge.net>; > ><randy@perigee.net>; > > > ><rhonda@smnet.net>; <ScottLee@pobox.com>; <seawolf@glendale.cc.ca.us>; > > > ><shari@klondyke.net>; <sheppard@hargray.com>; <snuffy20@telocity.com>; > > > ><swoosley@softhome.net>; <takelley@erols.com>; <teresa@maro.net>; > > > ><thefolks@betterthanmost.com>; <tim@inland.net>; <tombird@shelby.net>; > > > ><Virgo90675@aol.com>; <wbagley@interpath.com>; <winslow@vnet.net>; > > > ><writeus@genealogybookstore.com>; <WTworek@mindspring.com>; > > > ><wylchild@hpolicy.duke.edu>; "Richard Harrison" <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>; > > > >"Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>; "Ron Eason" > > > ><rkeason@directvinternet.com>; "Jimmy Epperson" <eppy@ticnet.com>; "Jana > > > >Black" <janab@slip.net>; "Larry Flesher" <lflesher@fidnet.com>; "Mary Ann > > > >Hetrick" <nw_plains_sc_rep@hotmail.com>; "Joe Miller" <mio@netins.net>; > > > >"Bill Oliver" <wnoliver@worldnet.att.net>; "Jan Cortez" > > > ><cristian@netonecom.net>; "Phyllis Rippee" <wchs@getgoin.net>; "Vicki > > > >Shaffer" <tngibson@att.net>; "Tina Vickery" <tsvickery@adelphia.net>; > > > >"Robert Bremer" <bremerr@oclc.org>; "Roger Swafford" > ><sagitta56@mchsi.com>; > > > >"Linda Lewis" <cityslic@ix.netcom.com>; <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >Cc: <USGW-ALL-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 7:12 PM > > > >Subject: NCGenNet server problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > The NCGenWeb Project and its members are being severely harmed by the > > > > > inaccessibility of pages hosted by USGenNet. > > > > > > > > > > I have sympathy for USGenNet and their members but Project patrons > >trying > > > > > to access our pages through the USGenWeb Project county page > > > > > (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/county.html) are not currently > >being > > > > > served. I have received several complaints, as have our ASC's, and > >others. > > > > > Most folks have expressed displeasure at not having a single county > > > >source, > > > > > for some particular Eastern North Carolina county. They have reported > >that > > > > > the ALHN pages (served by Fred Smoot's server), the AHGP page (also > >served > > > > > by Mr. Smoot's server) and USGenNet (Mr. Smoot himself), were down and > > > > > waiting for new hardware replacements. In addition Diane Mason Kelly, > > > > > (President of Webroots.org, founder of ncroots.com and CC of several > > > > > Eastern NCGWP counties) had all her NC GenWeb Project pages down. She > > > >fails > > > > > to explain the entire down-time problem but does present a lovely > > > >Christmas > > > > > page at www.ncroots.com. She sent a post to our Project indicating > > > >USGenNet > > > > > hardware problems--nothing else. Nothing to indicate when her NCGWP > >sites > > > > > would become re-actived. Her Burke County link > >(http://ncroots.com/Burke/) > > > > > to the Burke Co. Data Base > >(http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncburke/burkedat.htm) > > > > > seems to be a pretty honest appraisal of the entire situation. I do > > > > > disagree with several points made but overall, it seems to be quite > > > >accurate. > > > > > > > > > > Nobody from the USGenNet has ever contacted me regarding the estimated > > > > > down-time, let alone offered an apology for the inconvenience they > >have > > > > > caused our Project so I have no idea how long our affiliated NCGenWeb > > > > > Project pages will be out of service. > > > > > > > > > > It is the responsibility of each page owner to provide for server > >space > > > > > from whatever individual or entity they choose. Nevertheless, it is > >the > > > > > responsibility of that same page owner to provide for contingency > >plans > > > > > when the unexpected occurs. > > > > > > > > > > I am forced by the current situation to issue a notice to page owners > >of > > > > > any and all USGenNet-hosted sites within our NCGenWeb Project. > >Measures > > > > > must be taken, and taken immediately. Effective midnight, December > >31st, > > > > > 2002, any pages not active in the NCGenWeb Project shall be declared > >to be > > > > > abandoned and will be retained by the NCGenWeb Project to be available > >for > > > > > adoption and/or re-assignment to an appropriate, knowledgeable and > > > >reliable > > > > > page owner. > > > > > > > > > > I believe that two weeks is ample time for the situation to correct > >itself > > > > > or for the CC page owners to find alternate server space. For that > >reason, > > > > > I trust that the NCGenWeb Project will be on even track in 2003 and > >that > > > > > each and every one of you will enjoy a blessed holiday season and > >reflect > > > > > on God's blessings on us all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Derick S. Hartshorn > > > > > NCGenWeb State Coordinator > > > > > nc@usgenweb.org > > > > > > > > > > Visit the NC home page at: > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Derick S. Hartshorn > > > NCGenWeb State Coordinator > > > nc@usgenweb.org > > > > > > Visit the NC home page at: > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/ > > > > > Derick S. Hartshorn > NCGenWeb State Coordinator > nc@usgenweb.org > > Visit the NC home page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/ >

Tina, The NCGWP volunteer page spells out the guide lines for obtaining web space: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/volunteer.html We make no specific recommendations for ISPs. We try to offer valid alternatives and encourage members to exercise their options. Please visit the above page and feel free to offer suggestions as to how we can improve upon it. Derick S. Hartshorn NCGenWeb State Coordinator nc@usgenweb.org At 12:41 AM 12/16/02, you wrote: >Derick, > >Just my personal observation, but have you offered to your CC's affected >by these server issues, a place temporarily within your state directories, >or presented to them other server resources? > >Tina Vickery >SC WIGenWeb Project > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Derick S. Hartshorn" <derickh@charter.net> >To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:46 AM >Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Re: NCGenNet server problems > > > > Jan, > > > > I have been very understanding. I have personally experienced the same >kind > > of hardware problems back in 1994. That's why I can be sympathetic. I > > represent the NCGenWen Project, as I was elected to do. If I was on the > > Board of the USGenNet, I would be just as supportive of their problems. I > > have been elected to represent my constituants. I'm sure you can >understand > > my position. I think, until New Year's Eve, that time limit is reasonable > > to expect the restoration of the missing NCGWP pages. > > > > As for the notifications on the NCGWP pages, that has been done by the > > pages owners themselved. At the present time, those pages read: > > > > Welcome to USGenNet Inc. > > We are currently in the process of replacing our main server. Please visit > > our temporary location for updates and server replacement status. > > We apologize for any inconvenience that we may have caused you. --The > > USGenNet Staff > > > > or messages to that effect > > > > This is not acceptable to the NCGenWeb Project. Please refer to my >original > > message to avoid any misquotes. > > > > Derick S. Hartshorn > > NCGenWeb State Coordinator > > nc@usgenweb.org > > > > > > At 01:36 AM 12/16/02, you wrote: > > >Mr. Hartshorn, > > > > > >While I find this a very unfortunate situation that USGennet is down and >you > > >have pages in the NCGenWeb that are not being accessed by visitors, I > > >believe that the server will be installed in as expedient a manner as > > >possible. And believe me, you aren't the only state with this problem! > > > > > >Would it be so difficult for you to put some sort of note on the main >North > > >Carolina page? USGennet has notes up - why can't you? Give 'em a break! > > > > > >Just my two cents worth! > > > > > >Jan Cortez > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Derick S. Hartshorn" <derickh@charter.net> > > >To: <NCGENWEB-DISCUSS-L@rootsweb.com>; <NCGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com>; > > ><PaulDBuckley@worldnet.att.net>; <angie@angiesplace.behosting.com>; > > ><crystal@pebbles.net>; <CDZ4U@aol.com>; <nduffy@patch.net>; > > ><Babydolls1@webtv.net>; <bordeaux@rconnect.com>; <camorrison@ibm.net>; > > ><canova@tstar.net>; <claricemills@sprintmail.com>; > > ><clint@washington.xtn.net>; <cpbarnes@patriot.net>; <crilley@eramp.net>; > > ><D1D@prodigy.net>; <DAStoddard@aol.com>; <DRicci205@aol.com>; > > ><freebirdnc@yahoo.com>; <gsmith@weblnk.net>; <hcgenhis@brinet.com>; > > ><hen1@idt.net>; <hollyft@bright.net>; <javan@paonline.com>; > > ><jhyde01@mail.orion.org>; <jmack@carolina.net>; <jqtravel@pacbell.net>; > > ><jyhy55@juno.com>; <knightma@nightly.com>; ><linda_sorrell753@hotmail.com>; > > ><LinMil@dnet.net>; <listmaster@rootsweb.com>; <marceline@mindspring.com>; > > ><martingen@hotmail.com>; <mary@thedrake.org>; ><micajah@pencoelectric.org>; > > ><mingianc@blueridge.net>; <mnagy43021@ameritech.net>; > > ><mooregen@mindspring.com>; <MWISE@prodigy.net>; <mthiesse@swbell.net>; > > ><ncgen@mindspring.com>; <ncrowan@yahoo.com>; <pday@elltel.net>; > > ><perquimanscountync@hotmail.com>; <pettit@Adobe.COM>; > > ><pinkn001@mc.duke.edu>; <pituso@mesh.net>; <poohtiggr@aol.com>; > > ><poppabear@cconnect.net>; <ppspatters@blueridge.net>; ><randy@perigee.net>; > > ><rhonda@smnet.net>; <ScottLee@pobox.com>; <seawolf@glendale.cc.ca.us>; > > ><shari@klondyke.net>; <sheppard@hargray.com>; <snuffy20@telocity.com>; > > ><swoosley@softhome.net>; <takelley@erols.com>; <teresa@maro.net>; > > ><thefolks@betterthanmost.com>; <tim@inland.net>; <tombird@shelby.net>; > > ><Virgo90675@aol.com>; <wbagley@interpath.com>; <winslow@vnet.net>; > > ><writeus@genealogybookstore.com>; <WTworek@mindspring.com>; > > ><wylchild@hpolicy.duke.edu>; "Richard Harrison" <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>; > > >"Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>; "Ron Eason" > > ><rkeason@directvinternet.com>; "Jimmy Epperson" <eppy@ticnet.com>; "Jana > > >Black" <janab@slip.net>; "Larry Flesher" <lflesher@fidnet.com>; "Mary Ann > > >Hetrick" <nw_plains_sc_rep@hotmail.com>; "Joe Miller" <mio@netins.net>; > > >"Bill Oliver" <wnoliver@worldnet.att.net>; "Jan Cortez" > > ><cristian@netonecom.net>; "Phyllis Rippee" <wchs@getgoin.net>; "Vicki > > >Shaffer" <tngibson@att.net>; "Tina Vickery" <tsvickery@adelphia.net>; > > >"Robert Bremer" <bremerr@oclc.org>; "Roger Swafford" ><sagitta56@mchsi.com>; > > >"Linda Lewis" <cityslic@ix.netcom.com>; <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Cc: <USGW-ALL-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 7:12 PM > > >Subject: NCGenNet server problems > > > > > > > > > > The NCGenWeb Project and its members are being severely harmed by the > > > > inaccessibility of pages hosted by USGenNet. > > > > > > > > I have sympathy for USGenNet and their members but Project patrons >trying > > > > to access our pages through the USGenWeb Project county page > > > > (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/county.html) are not currently >being > > > > served. I have received several complaints, as have our ASC's, and >others. > > > > Most folks have expressed displeasure at not having a single county > > >source, > > > > for some particular Eastern North Carolina county. They have reported >that > > > > the ALHN pages (served by Fred Smoot's server), the AHGP page (also >served > > > > by Mr. Smoot's server) and USGenNet (Mr. Smoot himself), were down and > > > > waiting for new hardware replacements. In addition Diane Mason Kelly, > > > > (President of Webroots.org, founder of ncroots.com and CC of several > > > > Eastern NCGWP counties) had all her NC GenWeb Project pages down. She > > >fails > > > > to explain the entire down-time problem but does present a lovely > > >Christmas > > > > page at www.ncroots.com. She sent a post to our Project indicating > > >USGenNet > > > > hardware problems--nothing else. Nothing to indicate when her NCGWP >sites > > > > would become re-actived. Her Burke County link >(http://ncroots.com/Burke/) > > > > to the Burke Co. Data Base >(http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncburke/burkedat.htm) > > > > seems to be a pretty honest appraisal of the entire situation. I do > > > > disagree with several points made but overall, it seems to be quite > > >accurate. > > > > > > > > Nobody from the USGenNet has ever contacted me regarding the estimated > > > > down-time, let alone offered an apology for the inconvenience they >have > > > > caused our Project so I have no idea how long our affiliated NCGenWeb > > > > Project pages will be out of service. > > > > > > > > It is the responsibility of each page owner to provide for server >space > > > > from whatever individual or entity they choose. Nevertheless, it is >the > > > > responsibility of that same page owner to provide for contingency >plans > > > > when the unexpected occurs. > > > > > > > > I am forced by the current situation to issue a notice to page owners >of > > > > any and all USGenNet-hosted sites within our NCGenWeb Project. >Measures > > > > must be taken, and taken immediately. Effective midnight, December >31st, > > > > 2002, any pages not active in the NCGenWeb Project shall be declared >to be > > > > abandoned and will be retained by the NCGenWeb Project to be available >for > > > > adoption and/or re-assignment to an appropriate, knowledgeable and > > >reliable > > > > page owner. > > > > > > > > I believe that two weeks is ample time for the situation to correct >itself > > > > or for the CC page owners to find alternate server space. For that >reason, > > > > I trust that the NCGenWeb Project will be on even track in 2003 and >that > > > > each and every one of you will enjoy a blessed holiday season and >reflect > > > > on God's blessings on us all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Derick S. Hartshorn > > > > NCGenWeb State Coordinator > > > > nc@usgenweb.org > > > > > > > > Visit the NC home page at: > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Derick S. Hartshorn > > NCGenWeb State Coordinator > > nc@usgenweb.org > > > > Visit the NC home page at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/ > > Derick S. Hartshorn NCGenWeb State Coordinator nc@usgenweb.org Visit the NC home page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/

Jan, I have been very understanding. I have personally experienced the same kind of hardware problems back in 1994. That's why I can be sympathetic. I represent the NCGenWen Project, as I was elected to do. If I was on the Board of the USGenNet, I would be just as supportive of their problems. I have been elected to represent my constituants. I'm sure you can understand my position. I think, until New Year's Eve, that time limit is reasonable to expect the restoration of the missing NCGWP pages. As for the notifications on the NCGWP pages, that has been done by the pages owners themselved. At the present time, those pages read: Welcome to USGenNet Inc. We are currently in the process of replacing our main server. Please visit our temporary location for updates and server replacement status. We apologize for any inconvenience that we may have caused you. --The USGenNet Staff or messages to that effect This is not acceptable to the NCGenWeb Project. Please refer to my original message to avoid any misquotes. Derick S. Hartshorn NCGenWeb State Coordinator nc@usgenweb.org At 01:36 AM 12/16/02, you wrote: >Mr. Hartshorn, > >While I find this a very unfortunate situation that USGennet is down and you >have pages in the NCGenWeb that are not being accessed by visitors, I >believe that the server will be installed in as expedient a manner as >possible. And believe me, you aren't the only state with this problem! > >Would it be so difficult for you to put some sort of note on the main North >Carolina page? USGennet has notes up - why can't you? Give 'em a break! > >Just my two cents worth! > >Jan Cortez > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Derick S. Hartshorn" <derickh@charter.net> >To: <NCGENWEB-DISCUSS-L@rootsweb.com>; <NCGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com>; ><PaulDBuckley@worldnet.att.net>; <angie@angiesplace.behosting.com>; ><crystal@pebbles.net>; <CDZ4U@aol.com>; <nduffy@patch.net>; ><Babydolls1@webtv.net>; <bordeaux@rconnect.com>; <camorrison@ibm.net>; ><canova@tstar.net>; <claricemills@sprintmail.com>; ><clint@washington.xtn.net>; <cpbarnes@patriot.net>; <crilley@eramp.net>; ><D1D@prodigy.net>; <DAStoddard@aol.com>; <DRicci205@aol.com>; ><freebirdnc@yahoo.com>; <gsmith@weblnk.net>; <hcgenhis@brinet.com>; ><hen1@idt.net>; <hollyft@bright.net>; <javan@paonline.com>; ><jhyde01@mail.orion.org>; <jmack@carolina.net>; <jqtravel@pacbell.net>; ><jyhy55@juno.com>; <knightma@nightly.com>; <linda_sorrell753@hotmail.com>; ><LinMil@dnet.net>; <listmaster@rootsweb.com>; <marceline@mindspring.com>; ><martingen@hotmail.com>; <mary@thedrake.org>; <micajah@pencoelectric.org>; ><mingianc@blueridge.net>; <mnagy43021@ameritech.net>; ><mooregen@mindspring.com>; <MWISE@prodigy.net>; <mthiesse@swbell.net>; ><ncgen@mindspring.com>; <ncrowan@yahoo.com>; <pday@elltel.net>; ><perquimanscountync@hotmail.com>; <pettit@Adobe.COM>; ><pinkn001@mc.duke.edu>; <pituso@mesh.net>; <poohtiggr@aol.com>; ><poppabear@cconnect.net>; <ppspatters@blueridge.net>; <randy@perigee.net>; ><rhonda@smnet.net>; <ScottLee@pobox.com>; <seawolf@glendale.cc.ca.us>; ><shari@klondyke.net>; <sheppard@hargray.com>; <snuffy20@telocity.com>; ><swoosley@softhome.net>; <takelley@erols.com>; <teresa@maro.net>; ><thefolks@betterthanmost.com>; <tim@inland.net>; <tombird@shelby.net>; ><Virgo90675@aol.com>; <wbagley@interpath.com>; <winslow@vnet.net>; ><writeus@genealogybookstore.com>; <WTworek@mindspring.com>; ><wylchild@hpolicy.duke.edu>; "Richard Harrison" <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>; >"Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>; "Ron Eason" ><rkeason@directvinternet.com>; "Jimmy Epperson" <eppy@ticnet.com>; "Jana >Black" <janab@slip.net>; "Larry Flesher" <lflesher@fidnet.com>; "Mary Ann >Hetrick" <nw_plains_sc_rep@hotmail.com>; "Joe Miller" <mio@netins.net>; >"Bill Oliver" <wnoliver@worldnet.att.net>; "Jan Cortez" ><cristian@netonecom.net>; "Phyllis Rippee" <wchs@getgoin.net>; "Vicki >Shaffer" <tngibson@att.net>; "Tina Vickery" <tsvickery@adelphia.net>; >"Robert Bremer" <bremerr@oclc.org>; "Roger Swafford" <sagitta56@mchsi.com>; >"Linda Lewis" <cityslic@ix.netcom.com>; <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> >Cc: <USGW-ALL-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 7:12 PM >Subject: NCGenNet server problems > > > > The NCGenWeb Project and its members are being severely harmed by the > > inaccessibility of pages hosted by USGenNet. > > > > I have sympathy for USGenNet and their members but Project patrons trying > > to access our pages through the USGenWeb Project county page > > (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/county.html) are not currently being > > served. I have received several complaints, as have our ASC's, and others. > > Most folks have expressed displeasure at not having a single county >source, > > for some particular Eastern North Carolina county. They have reported that > > the ALHN pages (served by Fred Smoot's server), the AHGP page (also served > > by Mr. Smoot's server) and USGenNet (Mr. Smoot himself), were down and > > waiting for new hardware replacements. In addition Diane Mason Kelly, > > (President of Webroots.org, founder of ncroots.com and CC of several > > Eastern NCGWP counties) had all her NC GenWeb Project pages down. She >fails > > to explain the entire down-time problem but does present a lovely >Christmas > > page at www.ncroots.com. She sent a post to our Project indicating >USGenNet > > hardware problems--nothing else. Nothing to indicate when her NCGWP sites > > would become re-actived. Her Burke County link (http://ncroots.com/Burke/) > > to the Burke Co. Data Base (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncburke/burkedat.htm) > > seems to be a pretty honest appraisal of the entire situation. I do > > disagree with several points made but overall, it seems to be quite >accurate. > > > > Nobody from the USGenNet has ever contacted me regarding the estimated > > down-time, let alone offered an apology for the inconvenience they have > > caused our Project so I have no idea how long our affiliated NCGenWeb > > Project pages will be out of service. > > > > It is the responsibility of each page owner to provide for server space > > from whatever individual or entity they choose. Nevertheless, it is the > > responsibility of that same page owner to provide for contingency plans > > when the unexpected occurs. > > > > I am forced by the current situation to issue a notice to page owners of > > any and all USGenNet-hosted sites within our NCGenWeb Project. Measures > > must be taken, and taken immediately. Effective midnight, December 31st, > > 2002, any pages not active in the NCGenWeb Project shall be declared to be > > abandoned and will be retained by the NCGenWeb Project to be available for > > adoption and/or re-assignment to an appropriate, knowledgeable and >reliable > > page owner. > > > > I believe that two weeks is ample time for the situation to correct itself > > or for the CC page owners to find alternate server space. For that reason, > > I trust that the NCGenWeb Project will be on even track in 2003 and that > > each and every one of you will enjoy a blessed holiday season and reflect > > on God's blessings on us all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Derick S. Hartshorn > > NCGenWeb State Coordinator > > nc@usgenweb.org > > > > Visit the NC home page at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/ > > > > Derick S. Hartshorn NCGenWeb State Coordinator nc@usgenweb.org Visit the NC home page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/

Derick, Just my personal observation, but have you offered to your CC's affected by these server issues, a place temporarily within your state directories, or presented to them other server resources? Tina Vickery SC WIGenWeb Project ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derick S. Hartshorn" <derickh@charter.net> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:46 AM Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Re: NCGenNet server problems > Jan, > > I have been very understanding. I have personally experienced the same kind > of hardware problems back in 1994. That's why I can be sympathetic. I > represent the NCGenWen Project, as I was elected to do. If I was on the > Board of the USGenNet, I would be just as supportive of their problems. I > have been elected to represent my constituants. I'm sure you can understand > my position. I think, until New Year's Eve, that time limit is reasonable > to expect the restoration of the missing NCGWP pages. > > As for the notifications on the NCGWP pages, that has been done by the > pages owners themselved. At the present time, those pages read: > > Welcome to USGenNet Inc. > We are currently in the process of replacing our main server. Please visit > our temporary location for updates and server replacement status. > We apologize for any inconvenience that we may have caused you. --The > USGenNet Staff > > or messages to that effect > > This is not acceptable to the NCGenWeb Project. Please refer to my original > message to avoid any misquotes. > > Derick S. Hartshorn > NCGenWeb State Coordinator > nc@usgenweb.org > > > At 01:36 AM 12/16/02, you wrote: > >Mr. Hartshorn, > > > >While I find this a very unfortunate situation that USGennet is down and you > >have pages in the NCGenWeb that are not being accessed by visitors, I > >believe that the server will be installed in as expedient a manner as > >possible. And believe me, you aren't the only state with this problem! > > > >Would it be so difficult for you to put some sort of note on the main North > >Carolina page? USGennet has notes up - why can't you? Give 'em a break! > > > >Just my two cents worth! > > > >Jan Cortez > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Derick S. Hartshorn" <derickh@charter.net> > >To: <NCGENWEB-DISCUSS-L@rootsweb.com>; <NCGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com>; > ><PaulDBuckley@worldnet.att.net>; <angie@angiesplace.behosting.com>; > ><crystal@pebbles.net>; <CDZ4U@aol.com>; <nduffy@patch.net>; > ><Babydolls1@webtv.net>; <bordeaux@rconnect.com>; <camorrison@ibm.net>; > ><canova@tstar.net>; <claricemills@sprintmail.com>; > ><clint@washington.xtn.net>; <cpbarnes@patriot.net>; <crilley@eramp.net>; > ><D1D@prodigy.net>; <DAStoddard@aol.com>; <DRicci205@aol.com>; > ><freebirdnc@yahoo.com>; <gsmith@weblnk.net>; <hcgenhis@brinet.com>; > ><hen1@idt.net>; <hollyft@bright.net>; <javan@paonline.com>; > ><jhyde01@mail.orion.org>; <jmack@carolina.net>; <jqtravel@pacbell.net>; > ><jyhy55@juno.com>; <knightma@nightly.com>; <linda_sorrell753@hotmail.com>; > ><LinMil@dnet.net>; <listmaster@rootsweb.com>; <marceline@mindspring.com>; > ><martingen@hotmail.com>; <mary@thedrake.org>; <micajah@pencoelectric.org>; > ><mingianc@blueridge.net>; <mnagy43021@ameritech.net>; > ><mooregen@mindspring.com>; <MWISE@prodigy.net>; <mthiesse@swbell.net>; > ><ncgen@mindspring.com>; <ncrowan@yahoo.com>; <pday@elltel.net>; > ><perquimanscountync@hotmail.com>; <pettit@Adobe.COM>; > ><pinkn001@mc.duke.edu>; <pituso@mesh.net>; <poohtiggr@aol.com>; > ><poppabear@cconnect.net>; <ppspatters@blueridge.net>; <randy@perigee.net>; > ><rhonda@smnet.net>; <ScottLee@pobox.com>; <seawolf@glendale.cc.ca.us>; > ><shari@klondyke.net>; <sheppard@hargray.com>; <snuffy20@telocity.com>; > ><swoosley@softhome.net>; <takelley@erols.com>; <teresa@maro.net>; > ><thefolks@betterthanmost.com>; <tim@inland.net>; <tombird@shelby.net>; > ><Virgo90675@aol.com>; <wbagley@interpath.com>; <winslow@vnet.net>; > ><writeus@genealogybookstore.com>; <WTworek@mindspring.com>; > ><wylchild@hpolicy.duke.edu>; "Richard Harrison" <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>; > >"Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>; "Ron Eason" > ><rkeason@directvinternet.com>; "Jimmy Epperson" <eppy@ticnet.com>; "Jana > >Black" <janab@slip.net>; "Larry Flesher" <lflesher@fidnet.com>; "Mary Ann > >Hetrick" <nw_plains_sc_rep@hotmail.com>; "Joe Miller" <mio@netins.net>; > >"Bill Oliver" <wnoliver@worldnet.att.net>; "Jan Cortez" > ><cristian@netonecom.net>; "Phyllis Rippee" <wchs@getgoin.net>; "Vicki > >Shaffer" <tngibson@att.net>; "Tina Vickery" <tsvickery@adelphia.net>; > >"Robert Bremer" <bremerr@oclc.org>; "Roger Swafford" <sagitta56@mchsi.com>; > >"Linda Lewis" <cityslic@ix.netcom.com>; <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > >Cc: <USGW-ALL-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 7:12 PM > >Subject: NCGenNet server problems > > > > > > > The NCGenWeb Project and its members are being severely harmed by the > > > inaccessibility of pages hosted by USGenNet. > > > > > > I have sympathy for USGenNet and their members but Project patrons trying > > > to access our pages through the USGenWeb Project county page > > > (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/county.html) are not currently being > > > served. I have received several complaints, as have our ASC's, and others. > > > Most folks have expressed displeasure at not having a single county > >source, > > > for some particular Eastern North Carolina county. They have reported that > > > the ALHN pages (served by Fred Smoot's server), the AHGP page (also served > > > by Mr. Smoot's server) and USGenNet (Mr. Smoot himself), were down and > > > waiting for new hardware replacements. In addition Diane Mason Kelly, > > > (President of Webroots.org, founder of ncroots.com and CC of several > > > Eastern NCGWP counties) had all her NC GenWeb Project pages down. She > >fails > > > to explain the entire down-time problem but does present a lovely > >Christmas > > > page at www.ncroots.com. She sent a post to our Project indicating > >USGenNet > > > hardware problems--nothing else. Nothing to indicate when her NCGWP sites > > > would become re-actived. Her Burke County link (http://ncroots.com/Burke/) > > > to the Burke Co. Data Base (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncburke/burkedat.htm) > > > seems to be a pretty honest appraisal of the entire situation. I do > > > disagree with several points made but overall, it seems to be quite > >accurate. > > > > > > Nobody from the USGenNet has ever contacted me regarding the estimated > > > down-time, let alone offered an apology for the inconvenience they have > > > caused our Project so I have no idea how long our affiliated NCGenWeb > > > Project pages will be out of service. > > > > > > It is the responsibility of each page owner to provide for server space > > > from whatever individual or entity they choose. Nevertheless, it is the > > > responsibility of that same page owner to provide for contingency plans > > > when the unexpected occurs. > > > > > > I am forced by the current situation to issue a notice to page owners of > > > any and all USGenNet-hosted sites within our NCGenWeb Project. Measures > > > must be taken, and taken immediately. Effective midnight, December 31st, > > > 2002, any pages not active in the NCGenWeb Project shall be declared to be > > > abandoned and will be retained by the NCGenWeb Project to be available for > > > adoption and/or re-assignment to an appropriate, knowledgeable and > >reliable > > > page owner. > > > > > > I believe that two weeks is ample time for the situation to correct itself > > > or for the CC page owners to find alternate server space. For that reason, > > > I trust that the NCGenWeb Project will be on even track in 2003 and that > > > each and every one of you will enjoy a blessed holiday season and reflect > > > on God's blessings on us all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Derick S. Hartshorn > > > NCGenWeb State Coordinator > > > nc@usgenweb.org > > > > > > Visit the NC home page at: > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/ > > > > > > > > Derick S. Hartshorn > NCGenWeb State Coordinator > nc@usgenweb.org > > Visit the NC home page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/ >

The NCGenWeb Project and its members are being severely harmed by the inaccessibility of pages hosted by USGenNet. I have sympathy for USGenNet and their members but Project patrons trying to access our pages through the USGenWeb Project county page (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/county.html) are not currently being served. I have received several complaints, as have our ASC's, and others. Most folks have expressed displeasure at not having a single county source, for some particular Eastern North Carolina county. They have reported that the ALHN pages (served by Fred Smoot's server), the AHGP page (also served by Mr. Smoot's server) and USGenNet (Mr. Smoot himself), were down and waiting for new hardware replacements. In addition Diane Mason Kelly, (President of Webroots.org, founder of ncroots.com and CC of several Eastern NCGWP counties) had all her NC GenWeb Project pages down. She fails to explain the entire down-time problem but does present a lovely Christmas page at www.ncroots.com. She sent a post to our Project indicating USGenNet hardware problems--nothing else. Nothing to indicate when her NCGWP sites would become re-actived. Her Burke County link (http://ncroots.com/Burke/) to the Burke Co. Data Base (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncburke/burkedat.htm) seems to be a pretty honest appraisal of the entire situation. I do disagree with several points made but overall, it seems to be quite accurate. Nobody from the USGenNet has ever contacted me regarding the estimated down-time, let alone offered an apology for the inconvenience they have caused our Project so I have no idea how long our affiliated NCGenWeb Project pages will be out of service. It is the responsibility of each page owner to provide for server space from whatever individual or entity they choose. Nevertheless, it is the responsibility of that same page owner to provide for contingency plans when the unexpected occurs. I am forced by the current situation to issue a notice to page owners of any and all USGenNet-hosted sites within our NCGenWeb Project. Measures must be taken, and taken immediately. Effective midnight, December 31st, 2002, any pages not active in the NCGenWeb Project shall be declared to be abandoned and will be retained by the NCGenWeb Project to be available for adoption and/or re-assignment to an appropriate, knowledgeable and reliable page owner. I believe that two weeks is ample time for the situation to correct itself or for the CC page owners to find alternate server space. For that reason, I trust that the NCGenWeb Project will be on even track in 2003 and that each and every one of you will enjoy a blessed holiday season and reflect on God's blessings on us all. Derick S. Hartshorn NCGenWeb State Coordinator nc@usgenweb.org Visit the NC home page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/

At 07:40 AM 12/10/02, you wrote: >With the resignation of Tom Agan as State Coordinator for the Indiana >USGenWeb project, I will be serving as the State Coordinator until formal >elections during the summer of 2003. Join me in welcoming Debby Beheler >as Indiana's Assistant State Coordinator. > >Gene Andert >State Coordinator >INGenWeb ... A USGenWeb Project >gandert@mac.com North Carolina sends its congratulations, Gene. Also, welcome Debby. Best wishes for a happy and content Project. Derick S. Hartshorn NCGenWeb State Coordinator nc@usgenweb.org Visit the NC home page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/