Thanks for explaining the Registry again, Nancy. Whenever a submitter asks to have their e-mail address changed, I recommend the Registry. It saves everyone time and if more cc's used it, visitors would automatically know to check the Registry for the person's name whose mail is bouncing - to see if they have a new e-mail address. http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/ Linda

All... I started a new project called, "The Registry" last Spring. This website registers the email address of anyone that wants to use it. The addy's are encrypted so are not easily harvested by the spammers. A few months ago I turned the daily handling of the addy registration over to Sherri Hall. I don't put email addy's on any of my webpages anymore, instead, showing folks Registry #. Anyone wanting to send an email to anyone listed on my pages can click on their name and will be taken directly to their listing at The Registry where clicking on their name will bring up the email popup. That's one of the nice things... the other is that if their addy changes they only have 1 place to have to change it to have it updated on the websites of any of us that use it, and as a webmaster, I don't have to look on a dozen different pages to find and correct an addy for one of my vols. For more info on The Registry start here: http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/ There is no direct link on any of the pages taking folks to the pages listing all the addys but anyone that knows about dir structure and naming patterns would have no trouble figuring out how to see who all is listed and I included a Pico Search so the site can be searched in several ways. It is updated daily. <a href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/vols/00001. html#0000001">Nancy Trice</a> <a href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/vols/00001. html#0000008">Linda Lewis</a> <a href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/vols/00001. html#0000051">Sherri Hall</a> <a href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/vols/00004. html#0000802">Cynthia Fulcher</a> Look at the source on any of the pages. Naturally folks can't use this method to sub to or to post to any of the lists, however I have actually figured a way to use it on my KY-FOOTSTEPS mail list... list is used only for posting of source material... abstracts, transcriptions, etc... no queries. I always had newbies [and others] posting a query or folks sending unsub requests to the list instead of the server, so I now moderate the list and anyone sending anything to the list for the archives is asked to obtain a Registry # and to include it and their name on the record... for instance if Sherri submitted something I would show it this way: Submitted by: Sherri Hall http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/vols/00001.html#0 000051 Then the data. In the case of my state and county pages, I didn't ask anyone to register in the beginning... I assigned a number for all of the Ky CCs and ACCs and my visitors on my county pages, put it on the page and then notified them of it. When they notify me of a change in addy I forward it to Sherri to correct there too. Many of them have begun using this on their pages instead of their addy. Sherri and I have not gone back thru the archives and changed folks addy's on the submissions but Sherri did change it on the Archives county index pages she handles so if the addy in the record is wrong folks can check the Registry #. In some cases folks have already updated their addy's. New submissions have this # on the .txt file instead of the addy. I think if more of the states used us the word would spread among our volunteers quicker and a lot of the bad addy problems would be corrected. ;-) I know it's definately been a big help to me on my pages... no more updating of addys all the time. <g> Oh... and you don't have to be a webmaster of a page to use it... individuals are invited to register their addy and then ask that it be used instead of their addy on any website where they register their surnames etc. Anyway... I invite everyone to take a look-see and to use The Registry if you wish. From my personal experience over the last year it has definately been a big help to me on all of my pages. Maybe it will help you too. Best, nt There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness".

> I've just dealt with a couple of > them this week. I weed out the bad addresses as I know about them, but > maybe someone has some better solution. > Some of us send out annual messages to check the email addresses. If I find a bad address but the query contains information that could help other researchers 'as is', I leave it with a note about the bad address. If there's no such info, it is deleted. Connie

Hi, everyone - Some of you may know that the EC has been asked to conduct a poll of the SEMA CCs. We are still in need of volunteer lists from GA, TN, NJ, and FL. Those states had not been updated in some time, so we really need to get them in. You can send them to the EC member who requested them, or just send to me. If you have a state in SEMA, and have had any changes over the past several weeks, either personnel or email addresses, please let us know. We want to make sure that every eligible member has an opportunity to participate in the poll. Thanks! Ellen Pack Chair, USGW EC e.j.pack@natchezbelle.org

KEITH GIDDEON wrote: > > I am still laughing at this post. LOLOL > > Like anyone at the archives would EVER have a file removed! That's a > load of crapola. Files will not be removed just because someone is upset with a particular XXGenWeb. Keith put the "permanent use" of the USGenWeb Archives on the files himself, then submitted them to the file manager. Linda

> > Linda > > While we're at it how about addressing the Archives people who copy from > the county pages without the permission of either the CCs or the > submitters? > We instruct file managers to NOT do that. If there has ever been a case of copying without permission, the files are removed. If you can let us know of any, please do. It is totally against our policy. Tim, your co-sc is one of the folks that are copying files without permission, and regardless of how many times the submitter has asked (I've gotten cc'd), she has not removed the files. The submitter is frustrated and begging me to help. Linda

At 11:46 PM 3/18/2003 -0700, you wrote: >It is not so easy to contact the submitters as there are a lot of bad >email addresses on the archive pages. > >I am not saying that taking info off the archives without the permission >is ok, it is not, just saying that the address are invalid to get permission. > >Gail Yes, that is a problem. It's also a problem with trying to contact submitters in other circumstances. I include email addresses with every submission to my count site and get lots of querys about "do I have the new email address for" of "what happened to." I've just dealt with a couple of them this week. I weed out the bad addresses as I know about them, but maybe someone has some better solution. The USGenWeb Archives does not hold the copyright to the files it contains--it only has the right to post that information and cannot extend that right to other potential posters. As it stands, in a lot of cases additional information in regard to posts to county sites is unattainable and permission to reprint submissions to the Archives can't be obtained. But CCs still have the opportunity to link to any Archives submission. Suggestions on how to improve the system are always welcome. -Isaiah

At 11:24 PM 3/19/2003 -0500, Tim Stowell wrote: >A message has been sent to the Georgia Regional Coordinators concerning >this of which one >of the persons I'm guessing is the main target of this note is a member. > >A copy of the NC's message to the SC list 3/19, will be sent to all Georgia >CCs. > >Tim Tim- Thank you very much for your cooperation in this matter. I certainly hope you will report any of the reverse infractions you have found to Linda Lewis and to me. The USGenWeb Project has strong rules regarding copyright violation. You can rest assured that any Archives files that violate copyright will be removed and any State or Local site that does not respond to warnings will be delinked. -Isaiah Richard "Isaiah" Harrison National Coordinator The USGenWeb Project "No man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent." Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865)

I am still laughing at this post. LOLOL Like anyone at the archives would EVER have a file removed! That's a load of crapola. Isaiah -- I am no longer ASC of Georgia due to my audacious motion asking for an election for SC on Dec 10, so I'll be unsubbing now. --Keith -----Original Message----- From: Vicki Shaffer [mailto:wire@shaffer.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 6:32 PM To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD-L] Archives Use Tim, if this is being done, you need to notify Linda or myself regarding where it is occurring. Thanks, Vicki Archives Representative ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD-L] Archives Use > > The problem is that some cc's are copying files directly from the > > USGenWeb Archives without permission of the submitters, who are getting > > upset. > > > > One cc that I know of has copied actual Census images that are > > copyrighted not only by SK publications, but reformatted by me > >specifically for the Archives so that researchers can view them for > >free. She has been asked several times to remove them, but has only > >broken the links - with the images remaining on her server. > > > > Linda > > While we're at it how about addressing the Archives people who copy from > the county pages without the permission of either the CCs or the > submitters? > > ------------------------------------------------------via webmail---- > Tim Stowell > tstowell@chattanooga.net > > > --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003

AGREED!!! Often nobody even realizes it's been done and they're not kept current with additional information/transcriptions as a result. I brought this to the attention of someone long ago--asking the purpose of the archives--but got no answer. My suggestion had been that the archives link out to the information they don't hold just like everyone else links to the archives. I don't understand the problem with that!! But a duplication of information leads to inaccuracies when that information is updated or revised. --HJD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD-L] Archives Use > > The problem is that some cc's are copying files directly from the > > USGenWeb Archives without permission of the submitters, who are getting > > upset. > > > > One cc that I know of has copied actual Census images that are > > copyrighted not only by SK publications, but reformatted by me > >specifically for the Archives so that researchers can view them for > >free. She has been asked several times to remove them, but has only > >broken the links - with the images remaining on her server. > > > > Linda > > While we're at it how about addressing the Archives people who copy from > the county pages without the permission of either the CCs or the > submitters? > > ------------------------------------------------------via webmail---- > Tim Stowell > tstowell@chattanooga.net > >

Tim, if this is being done, you need to notify Linda or myself regarding where it is occurring. Thanks, Vicki Archives Representative ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD-L] Archives Use > > The problem is that some cc's are copying files directly from the > > USGenWeb Archives without permission of the submitters, who are getting > > upset. > > > > One cc that I know of has copied actual Census images that are > > copyrighted not only by SK publications, but reformatted by me > >specifically for the Archives so that researchers can view them for > >free. She has been asked several times to remove them, but has only > >broken the links - with the images remaining on her server. > > > > Linda > > While we're at it how about addressing the Archives people who copy from > the county pages without the permission of either the CCs or the > submitters? > > ------------------------------------------------------via webmail---- > Tim Stowell > tstowell@chattanooga.net > > >

(**Please forward to all appropriate project lists**) The Bylaws Revision Committee (BRC) has completed a first draft revision for Section 1 of Article VII Advisory Board Procedures. Section 1. A majority of the current voting members of the Advisory Board shall constitute a quorum. All revision drafts may be viewed at http://home.mchsi.com/~sagitta56/ Members are encouraged to send comments or questions related to this or other revision drafts. Roger Swafford BRC - Chairman

> The problem is that some cc's are copying files directly from the > USGenWeb Archives without permission of the submitters, who are getting > upset. > > One cc that I know of has copied actual Census images that are > copyrighted not only by SK publications, but reformatted by me >specifically for the Archives so that researchers can view them for >free. She has been asked several times to remove them, but has only >broken the links - with the images remaining on her server. > > Linda While we're at it how about addressing the Archives people who copy from the county pages without the permission of either the CCs or the submitters? ------------------------------------------------------via webmail---- Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net

Ah. Thanks Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Lewis" <cityslic@ix.netcom.com> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD-L] Archives Use > The problem is that some cc's are copying files directly from the > USGenWeb Archives without permission of the submitters, who are getting > upset. > > One cc that I know of has copied actual Census images that are > copyrighted not only by SK publications, but reformatted by me > specifically for the Archives so that researchers can view them for > free. She has been asked several times to remove them, but has only > broken the links - with the images remaining on her server. > > Linda > > Patricia Scott wrote: > > > > Be specific Isaiah. What was the problem? > > > > Patricia Scott > > SC Nevada > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard (Isaiah) Harrison" <IsaiahH@cox.net> > > To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:44 PM > > Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Archives Use > > > > > To: USGenWeb Project SCs > > > > > > Would you all please remind your CCs about the appropriate use of The > > > USGenWeb Archives. > > > > > > CCs are welcome to LINK to whichever Archive files they would like to. > > > However, it is not appropriate to COPY files from the Archives and place > > > them on County Pages without the permission of the submitter. In fact, it > > > is a copyright violation. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > -Isaiah > > > > > > >

The problem is that some cc's are copying files directly from the USGenWeb Archives without permission of the submitters, who are getting upset. One cc that I know of has copied actual Census images that are copyrighted not only by SK publications, but reformatted by me specifically for the Archives so that researchers can view them for free. She has been asked several times to remove them, but has only broken the links - with the images remaining on her server. Linda Patricia Scott wrote: > > Be specific Isaiah. What was the problem? > > Patricia Scott > SC Nevada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard (Isaiah) Harrison" <IsaiahH@cox.net> > To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:44 PM > Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Archives Use > > > To: USGenWeb Project SCs > > > > Would you all please remind your CCs about the appropriate use of The > > USGenWeb Archives. > > > > CCs are welcome to LINK to whichever Archive files they would like to. > > However, it is not appropriate to COPY files from the Archives and place > > them on County Pages without the permission of the submitter. In fact, it > > is a copyright violation. > > > > Thank you, > > > > -Isaiah > > > >

It is not so easy to contact the submitters as there are a lot of bad email addresses on the archive pages. I am not saying that taking info off the archives without the permission is ok, it is not, just saying that the address are invalid to get permission. Gail --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 01/27/2003

To: USGenWeb Project SCs Would you all please remind your CCs about the appropriate use of The USGenWeb Archives. CCs are welcome to LINK to whichever Archive files they would like to. However, it is not appropriate to COPY files from the Archives and place them on County Pages without the permission of the submitter. In fact, it is a copyright violation. Thank you, -Isaiah

Be specific Isaiah. What was the problem? Patricia Scott SC Nevada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard (Isaiah) Harrison" <IsaiahH@cox.net> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:44 PM Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Archives Use > To: USGenWeb Project SCs > > Would you all please remind your CCs about the appropriate use of The > USGenWeb Archives. > > CCs are welcome to LINK to whichever Archive files they would like to. > However, it is not appropriate to COPY files from the Archives and place > them on County Pages without the permission of the submitter. In fact, it > is a copyright violation. > > Thank you, > > -Isaiah > >

Thanks Nancy, passed it on to Iowa CC's. Gail ASC IAGenWeb --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 01/27/2003

A friend shared this with me a few days ago. I thought maybe others would like to also see it. It takes a while for it to load so be patient... and be sure to turn on your sound. nt http://members.aol.com/CuttyhunkRose/geese.html