Hi, Everyone - The Election Committee is in need of volunteer lists from WY, FL, TN, NH, and NJ. Could you please send as soon as possible? If you've lost the note from the EC member who requested the lists, no problem - send them to me. :-) Thanks, Ellen

I can't stand this any more. Somewhere along the way you, Tim, have gotten the impression that Linda manages and controls every page of the Archives. Hardly. I was the Rhode Island Archives Manager for years and the notice added to the individual files was fluid and not always consistent, but the intent was the same, as I'm sure you really know. The USGenWeb logo was put on the RI Archive pages by me because it is an extension of the Rhode Island USGenWeb Project, and the page still looks the way I left it. That didn't, and still doesn't, mean files could be moved from one area to another freely. Tim Stowell wrote: <snip,snip,snip> > If the files under your section called Georgia are not for Georgia CCs to use > and are not a part of GAGenWeb, then please remove our state logo from your > pages. <snip> > Tim Susan -- Coordinator Rhode Island USGenWeb ~ http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/

Derick, While I agree with you that there are some people who seem to have personal agendas in this Project and that it is the responsibility of every USGW Project member to pay attention and be involved in what is going on at organizational levels, I have to take issue with a couple of facts you have presented here. 1) The poll that was taken in NC had nothing to do with popularity. It was one toll the AB could use to determine what the voice was of CCs in NC regarding the performance of the SC in their state. Many AB members thought a poll would not be responded to and would serve no real purpose, but that was not the case. The poll was answered by very close to 2/3 of the CCs in that state. The poll determined that, while this state project, like all state projects has areas that could use improvement, largely CCs in the state are pleased with the performance of Derick Hartshorn, their SC. 2) Derick, on March 5, you stated in an email that you knew about the poll and had no objection to it. You may not have known exactly when it was being conducted, but you surely knew it was going to take place. I was the initiator of the poll concept. I am proud of its results. I am pleased to say that given the excellent response to the poll, it is now being suggested that the AB conduct other polls in other states so the AB can have an idea of the strength and weakness of the Project. The poll was initiated NOT due to the complaints of one CC but due to multiple conflicting complaints that left the AB with no way to gauge what the truth, in fact, was in the state. Now we know you, as SC in NC, are largely supported and that is a good thing! The point is for the AB to use appropriate tools to discover ways to grow and improve this Project across the board. This tool provided the AB with the information that it needed to put aside further conversation regarding the project in NC until and unless another set of facts are presented by a large enough (10%) contingent of CCs in NC. If that is an agenda, I think it is "right on." What concerns me about your post is that it lumped facts together that are unrelated to one another. I do agree with you that "Most AB members are dedicated to providing free genealogy resources." I also agree that every Project member needs to "I urge each and every USGWP member to carefully examine the track record of all AB members. Ask yourself if they represent your views or if they have their own personal agendas. The very future of the USGenWeb Project is at stake." Lastly, I completely agree with your statement, "State Coordinators and their associates need to make some very important decisions: Are we here to stake out our turf....or are we here to serve the genealogical public????" I for one do not believe that the Project has changed to the point where if examined it would be proved that most SCs were here to "stake out turf" - but I certainly agree it is a concern in some states and that the purpose of a national Advisory Board is to examine each state Project to ensure that we, as a Project, continue to be here to serve the genealogical public. Jana Black SW/SC CC Rep USGW Project -----Original Message----- From: Derick S. Hartshorn [mailto:derickh@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 7:18 PM To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com; NCGENWEB-DISCUSS-L@rootsweb.com Cc: Richard Harrison; Tim Stowell; Jimmy Epperson; Jana Black; Larry Flesher; Bill Oliver; Phyllis Rippee; Vicki Shaffer; Tina Vickery; Robert Bremer; Roger Swafford; Jan Cortez; Karen Mitchell; Shari Handley; Roger Swafford; USGW-ALL-L@rootsweb.com; PaulDBuckley@worldnet.att.net; angie@angiesplace.behosting.com; crystal@pebbles.net; CDZ4U@aol.com; nduffy@patch.net; ncgen@mindspring.com Subject: USGenWeb Project CC turnover To whom it may concern: It has been suggested by some folks who have been traditionally hostile to the USGenWeb Project, that we are an on-line genealogical organization in disarray. It has been further suggested that most County Coordinators have left State Projects due to negative reasons. These same individuals have attacked the Project for reasons best described as divisive and destructive. In addressing this post to our National Coordinator, I am requesting that each State and Special Project Coordinator respond to him and our esteemed AB members, reporting your personal experiences with folks who may have left their Projects. Without taking a poll or trying to predict responses, I would really like to know if any former CCs left any of our Projects because of bad vibes or because of other circumstances. Regardless, these folks should have been included in previously-conducted polls. Our NCGenWeb Project has been infiltrated by a fraudulent entity--and was rightfully expelled. However, this individual's cohorts seek to frustrate the original goals of our Project by filing grievance after grievance and attempting to sow a field of discord. One member of your AB has even suggested that I be removed as State Coordinator because I chose to act in the best interests of our Project by removing one of these destructive forces [see Board-L archives]. Others who were placed in positions of trust within our Project have deserted and turned on us by waging hateful campaigns. One of these weasels continues to display their name on the USGWP "Who's Who" page because of the spineless attitudes of those who have the authority to do the right thing and remove this cancer. On the State level, the vast majority of those who left our Project did so because of outside obligations and time constraints. Two were expelled for detrimental activities and several resigned when they learned that their divisive dissension would not be tolerated. The very fact that the Advisory Board would suggest that I stand before a "popularity" poll in order to retain my position as SC is absurd and totally ludicrous. Nevertheless, a poll was conducted to determine how "popular" I am. I never learned of this poll until after it had been conducted. This poll was initiated because of a complainant who was removed from our Project for just cause. This individual, and cohorts, have logged many negative archived posts attacking the leadership of this Project and the organization of the XXGWP in general. They have banded together to hamper serious genealogical research. They seek instead to foster dissent. Even worse, they have managed to divert the USGWP Advisory Board to waste valuable time for their "cause." Most AB members are dedicated to providing free genealogy resources. Some have chosen to run for AB positions simply because they are energized by a personal ego trip or have a personal agenda. Elections come and elections go. I urge each and every USGWP member to carefully examine the track record of all AB members. Ask yourself if they represent your views or if they have their own personal agendas. The very future of the USGenWeb Project is at stake. Back to the NCGenWeb State Coordinator "Popularity" Poll. Here are the results: http://webpages.charter.net/derickh/Results.html as conducted by YOUR Advisory Board. Regardless of the results, some AB members continue to strive to re-instate former members whose removal was made necessary in the first place by their destructive behavior. Something needs to be done by caring folk. State Coordinators and their associates need to make some very important decisions: Are we here to stake out our turf....or are we here to serve the genealogical public???? I have no axe to grind. I have publicly stated that my term as NCGenWeb SC will end on 1 July 2003. Please, if you do nothing else, please strive to keep this organization together. Don't elect folks who are in this for their own self-gratification. Support those who choose to perpetuate our dream. Please don't tolerate the jerks!!!! Read the archives to determine who is in this for an ego trip and who is in here to promote noble goals. Support our troops in Iraq!!! Derick S. Hartshorn State Coordinator, NCGenWeb Project nc@usgenweb.org

At 12:25 AM 3/25/03 -0500, you wrote: >> Doesn't seem to stop Archives folks from snatching items from the county >> pages. > >You've never given us a sample of "Archives folks" "snatching" items >from county pages. There are cases the other way around. Give us the url >of a "snatched" file and we'll check it out and remove it if it's not in >the Archives by permission. If you would advise your volunteers to be as >deligent, instead of encouraging them to copy at will, we wouldn't be >having this conversation. I don't encourage folks to copy them at will. In fact I don't encourage them to copy or link to the Archives. In the past I have encouraged them to contribute to the Archives, but not any more. I will encourage them to keep the data on their county sites - where the data should be first of all, and if the contributors wish it in your Archives, then they can send them directly to you. The Archives are not the Project. There is no valid reason for the Archives to include data that tells visitors who to contact in each county for birth, death, marriage info - as some county subsections now have. If the files under your section called Georgia are not for Georgia CCs to use and are not a part of GAGenWeb, then please remove our state logo from your pages. It's high time the SCs wake up to the fact that the Archives are trying to be the whole Project and thus negate the reason for having State and county pages except perhaps as conduits for the Archives, or to handle what few items the great vacuum noise of the Archives swooping in everything under their umbrella deigns is not worthy of inclusion. Tim

>> >Questioned what?? The last thing I saw you question was about what >> >would cc's do when we deleted a folder (which was temporary holding >> >directory and should not have been used for links). >> >> Ok, then why was I unsubbed? > > For one thing, you are not a state file manager. That is enough reason. No matter, I believe there are other there, that aren't either. > I'm not going into other reasons No matter, that alone says there are other reasons - but now I won't have to have the self glorification messages in my inbox and it will lessen my email load - so thanks for that. > For the other "sample" you refer to, you still haven't identified the > file or files you claim were lifted from county pages. All in good time. ------------------------------------------------------via webmail---- Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net

> >Questioned what?? The last thing I saw you question was about what would > >cc's do when we deleted a folder (which was temporary holding directory > >and should not have been used for links). > > Ok, then why was I unsubbed? For one thing, you are not a state file manager. That is enough reason. I'm not going into other reasons For the other "sample" you refer to, you still haven't identified the file or files you claim were lifted from county pages. Linda

At 12:25 AM 3/25/03 -0500, you wrote: > > >Tim Stowell wrote: >> >> At 02:42 PM 3/24/03 -0500, Linda Lewis wrote: >> > >> >> Then pray tell why are these notices on Archives files? Have you changed >> >> the original agreement? >> > >> >Tim, where have you been?? You were subscribed to the archives list >> >until last month and must have seen discussions (actually from the >> >beginning) about what needs to be included on the "notice." >> >> I was subscribed until you or someone unsubbed me for daring to question. >> > >Questioned what?? The last thing I saw you question was about what would >cc's do when we deleted a folder (which was temporary holding directory >and should not have been used for links). Ok, then why was I unsubbed? >> Being subbed and reading lists are two vastly different items. >> >> >The file you referenced was uploaded in 1998 and YES.. we have changed >> >the wording of the Notice.. a few times... depending on the problems we >> >encounter with copyright infringement, etc. >> >> Then they should all be changed. > >There is NO way we are going to go in and edit 6 gigs of text data to >change a notice. Read the U.S. copyright laws again. Even if the courts say so? >> >Regardless of what we say in the Notice, the U.S. copyright laws still >> >apply. No one can copy the work of someone else without their >> >permission. >> >> Doesn't seem to stop Archives folks from snatching items from the county >> pages. > >You've never given us a sample of "Archives folks" "snatching" items >from county pages. There are cases the other way around. Give us the url >of a "snatched" file and we'll check it out and remove it if it's not in >the Archives by permission. If you would advise your volunteers to be as >deligent, instead of encouraging them to copy at will, we wouldn't be >having this conversation. Every time you've been sent such, it is either ignored or explained away. The only way that seems to get any action - is to post it to a public list. I've got at least two examples - one I believe you temporarily took care of a day or so ago, after it was either sent to you by a Board member or listed here. There are cases that go back 2 years - that still haven't been fixed. I've asked the person's involved for permission to send their complaint once again. >> >On the main page of the Archives is this statement: >> > >> >" NOTICE: Printing the files within by >> >non-commercial individuals and libraries is encouraged, as long as >> > all notices and submitter information is >> >included. Any other use, including copying files to other sites >> > requires permission from the submitters PRIOR >> >to uploading to any other sites. We encourage links to >> > the state and county tables of content." >> > >> >That has been there since the first year, 1996. >> >> Perhaps you need better quality control? > >That statement is clear enough. No, I'm saying - perhaps ALL your current pages the ones you are loading now should ALL have the same notice. Tim

Tim Stowell wrote: > > At 02:42 PM 3/24/03 -0500, Linda Lewis wrote: > > > >> Then pray tell why are these notices on Archives files? Have you changed > >> the original agreement? > > > >Tim, where have you been?? You were subscribed to the archives list > >until last month and must have seen discussions (actually from the > >beginning) about what needs to be included on the "notice." > > I was subscribed until you or someone unsubbed me for daring to question. > Questioned what?? The last thing I saw you question was about what would cc's do when we deleted a folder (which was temporary holding directory and should not have been used for links). > Being subbed and reading lists are two vastly different items. > > >The file you referenced was uploaded in 1998 and YES.. we have changed > >the wording of the Notice.. a few times... depending on the problems we > >encounter with copyright infringement, etc. > > Then they should all be changed. There is NO way we are going to go in and edit 6 gigs of text data to change a notice. Read the U.S. copyright laws again. > > >Regardless of what we say in the Notice, the U.S. copyright laws still > >apply. No one can copy the work of someone else without their > >permission. > > Doesn't seem to stop Archives folks from snatching items from the county > pages. You've never given us a sample of "Archives folks" "snatching" items from county pages. There are cases the other way around. Give us the url of a "snatched" file and we'll check it out and remove it if it's not in the Archives by permission. If you would advise your volunteers to be as deligent, instead of encouraging them to copy at will, we wouldn't be having this conversation. > > >On the main page of the Archives is this statement: > > > >" NOTICE: Printing the files within by > >non-commercial individuals and libraries is encouraged, as long as > > all notices and submitter information is > >included. Any other use, including copying files to other sites > > requires permission from the submitters PRIOR > >to uploading to any other sites. We encourage links to > > the state and county tables of content." > > > >That has been there since the first year, 1996. > > Perhaps you need better quality control? That statement is clear enough. > > Tim Linda

At 02:42 PM 3/24/03 -0500, Linda Lewis wrote: > >> Then pray tell why are these notices on Archives files? Have you changed >> the original agreement? > >Tim, where have you been?? You were subscribed to the archives list >until last month and must have seen discussions (actually from the >beginning) about what needs to be included on the "notice." I was subscribed until you or someone unsubbed me for daring to question. Being subbed and reading lists are two vastly different items. >The file you referenced was uploaded in 1998 and YES.. we have changed >the wording of the Notice.. a few times... depending on the problems we >encounter with copyright infringement, etc. Then they should all be changed. >Regardless of what we say in the Notice, the U.S. copyright laws still >apply. No one can copy the work of someone else without their >permission. Doesn't seem to stop Archives folks from snatching items from the county pages. >On the main page of the Archives is this statement: > >" NOTICE: Printing the files within by >non-commercial individuals and libraries is encouraged, as long as > all notices and submitter information is >included. Any other use, including copying files to other sites > requires permission from the submitters PRIOR >to uploading to any other sites. We encourage links to > the state and county tables of content." > >That has been there since the first year, 1996. Perhaps you need better quality control? Tim

> Then pray tell why are these notices on Archives files? Have you changed > the original agreement? Tim, where have you been?? You were subscribed to the archives list until last month and must have seen discussions (actually from the beginning) about what needs to be included on the "notice." The file you referenced was uploaded in 1998 and YES.. we have changed the wording of the Notice.. a few times... depending on the problems we encounter with copyright infringement, etc. Regardless of what we say in the Notice, the U.S. copyright laws still apply. No one can copy the work of someone else without their permission. On the main page of the Archives is this statement: " NOTICE: Printing the files within by non-commercial individuals and libraries is encouraged, as long as all notices and submitter information is included. Any other use, including copying files to other sites requires permission from the submitters PRIOR to uploading to any other sites. We encourage links to the state and county tables of content." That has been there since the first year, 1996. Linda

At 02:08 PM 3/23/03 -0500, you wrote: >Until Virginia returns from out of state and can verify that the files >were not "harvested" or typed by Jackie H. from a published book and >submitted to the Archives, I have removed (after copying to my hard >drive) the files in: > >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ga/taylor/churches/ > >I would also like to remind CC's that files cannot be copied from the >USGenWeb Archives without the permission of the submitters. As we have >stated since 1996, you are welcome to link to the files, which are there >permanently. Then pray tell why are these notices on Archives files? Have you changed the original agreement? ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ct/ctstate/biog/biog001a.txt USGENWEB NOTICE: In keeping with our policy of providing free information on the Internet, data may be used by non-commercial entities, as long as this message remains on all copied material. These electronic pages cannot be reproduced in any format for profit or other presentation. Date sent: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:22:34 -0700 Subject: Re: ARCHIVES: Biographies From: candyg@theofficenet.com To: "George Waller" <HBLADM1@uconnvm.uconn.edu> From "The History of North Washington" Published 1904 Stevens County, WA Biographical Sketches ____________________________________________________ ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ct/ctstate/bibles/h400001a.txt USGENWEB NOTICE: In keeping with our policy of providing free information on the Internet, data may be used by non-commercial entities, as long as this message remains on all copied material. These electronic pages cannot be reproduced in any format for profit or other presentation. Date sent: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 07:37:03 -0700 Send reply to: Chris Yoder <cyoder@mail.tds.net> From: Chris Yoder <cyoder@mail.tds.net> Subject: Hill Family of Guilford, CT To: Multiple recipients of list ROOTS-L <ROOTS- L@MAIL.EWORLD.COM> ______________________________________________________ ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ct/ctstate/misc/misc.txt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- USGENWEB NOTICE: In keeping with the USGenWeb policy of providing free information on the Internet, this data may be used by non-commercial entities, as long as this message remains on all copied material. These electronic pages cannot be reproduced in any format for profit or other gain. Copying of the files within by non-commercial individuals and libraries is encouraged. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Send reply to: <mburns@tea-house.com> From: "M. Burns" <mburns@tea-house.com> To: <hbladm1@uconnvm.uconn.edu> Subject: will of Dorothy Bird Lord, wife of Thomas Lord, one of the founders of Hartford CT Date sent: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:09:57 -0400 __________________________________________________________________ ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ca/alameda/newspapers/alaska1.txt Copyrighted © 1997 by Nancy Wright. Contributed for use inUSGenWeb Archives by Nancy Wright <tewright@cajun.net>. USGENWEB NOTICE: In keeping with our policy of providing free genealogy information on the Internet, data may be freely used by non-commercial entities, as long as this message remains on all copied material. These electronic pages may NOT bereproduced in any format for profit or presentation by otherorganizations."Persons or organizations desiring to use this material for purposesother than as stated above, must contact the submitter or thelisted USGenWeb archivist. Uploaded 18 August 1997. Article pertaining to the ship "Alaska" which sank. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Now you may say "see where it says 'These electronic pages may NOT be reproduced in any format for profit or presentation by other organizations.'" To that I say, yes I see that, but then we aren't some other organization. We are part of the USGenWeb Project, unless you are now declaring the USGenWeb Archives are not a part of the USGenWeb Project? As a part of the USGenWeb Project, it seems that it would, by your own declaration, be acceptable for entities that are a part of the USGenWeb Project to freely copy materials from the Archives for their sites - as long as the notice remains attached, for we are not using it for purposes other than what is stated to be used by the notice. >Some CC's think that data should be located at the county site. >Researchers do not care which server or where the data is located, as >long as they can find it. When the files are in the Archives, we can >help the submitters assure that the data will not be copied and sold. >When the data is located hither and yon over the Internet, with changing >CC's, the data could be lost, sold, or locked behind a fee site. >One case recently was, unknown to us, a former CC copied the Census >images from the Archives. When another person took over that county, she >copied the images over to her server, unaware that they had been copied >illegally by the former CC. So what you just said in the previous paragraph doesn't mean much does it if persons can copy and/or sell information from the Archives. >There have been many many cases of CC's leaving in a huff and removing >data. Yes, that's true, but that does not give rights to the Archives to go harvesting data from county sites without permission. Tim

To whom it may concern: It has been suggested by some folks who have been traditionally hostile to the USGenWeb Project, that we are an on-line genealogical organization in disarray. It has been further suggested that most County Coordinators have left State Projects due to negative reasons. These same individuals have attacked the Project for reasons best described as divisive and destructive. In addressing this post to our National Coordinator, I am requesting that each State and Special Project Coordinator respond to him and our esteemed AB members, reporting your personal experiences with folks who may have left their Projects. Without taking a poll or trying to predict responses, I would really like to know if any former CCs left any of our Projects because of bad vibes or because of other circumstances. Regardless, these folks should have been included in previously-conducted polls. Our NCGenWeb Project has been infiltrated by a fraudulent entity--and was rightfully expelled. However, this individual's cohorts seek to frustrate the original goals of our Project by filing grievance after grievance and attempting to sow a field of discord. One member of your AB has even suggested that I be removed as State Coordinator because I chose to act in the best interests of our Project by removing one of these destructive forces [see Board-L archives]. Others who were placed in positions of trust within our Project have deserted and turned on us by waging hateful campaigns. One of these weasels continues to display their name on the USGWP "Who's Who" page because of the spineless attitudes of those who have the authority to do the right thing and remove this cancer. On the State level, the vast majority of those who left our Project did so because of outside obligations and time constraints. Two were expelled for detrimental activities and several resigned when they learned that their divisive dissension would not be tolerated. The very fact that the Advisory Board would suggest that I stand before a "popularity" poll in order to retain my position as SC is absurd and totally ludicrous. Nevertheless, a poll was conducted to determine how "popular" I am. I never learned of this poll until after it had been conducted. This poll was initiated because of a complainant who was removed from our Project for just cause. This individual, and cohorts, have logged many negative archived posts attacking the leadership of this Project and the organization of the XXGWP in general. They have banded together to hamper serious genealogical research. They seek instead to foster dissent. Even worse, they have managed to divert the USGWP Advisory Board to waste valuable time for their "cause." Most AB members are dedicated to providing free genealogy resources. Some have chosen to run for AB positions simply because they are energized by a personal ego trip or have a personal agenda. Elections come and elections go. I urge each and every USGWP member to carefully examine the track record of all AB members. Ask yourself if they represent your views or if they have their own personal agendas. The very future of the USGenWeb Project is at stake. Back to the NCGenWeb State Coordinator "Popularity" Poll. Here are the results: http://webpages.charter.net/derickh/Results.html as conducted by YOUR Advisory Board. Regardless of the results, some AB members continue to strive to re-instate former members whose removal was made necessary in the first place by their destructive behavior. Something needs to be done by caring folk. State Coordinators and their associates need to make some very important decisions: Are we here to stake out our turf....or are we here to serve the genealogical public???? I have no axe to grind. I have publicly stated that my term as NCGenWeb SC will end on 1 July 2003. Please, if you do nothing else, please strive to keep this organization together. Don't elect folks who are in this for their own self-gratification. Support those who choose to perpetuate our dream. Please don't tolerate the jerks!!!! Read the archives to determine who is in this for an ego trip and who is in here to promote noble goals. Support our troops in Iraq!!! Derick S. Hartshorn State Coordinator, NCGenWeb Project nc@usgenweb.org

I forgot I had signed up for this service last year. Three days ago I had the e-mail address in this account changed to a new Yahoo address never posted on any web site nor used for any purpose whatsoever. Today, I received SPAM from the Nigerians wanting to send me $24 Megabucks providing I sent them my bank account number so they could transfer the money. I will continue to monitor this account and report SPAM activity as it occurs. --- Nancy T R I C E <nt@vci.net> wrote: > All... I started a new project called, "The > Registry" last Spring. This website registers the > email address of anyone that wants to use it. The > addy's are encrypted so are not easily harvested > by the spammers. A few months ago I turned the > daily handling of the addy registration over to > Sherri Hall. > > I don't put email addy's on any of my webpages > anymore, instead, showing folks Registry #. > Anyone wanting to send an email to anyone listed > on my pages can click on their name and will be > taken directly to their listing at The Registry > where clicking on their name will bring up the > email popup. That's one of the nice things... the > other is that if their addy changes they only have > 1 place to have to change it to have it updated on > the websites of any of us that use it, and as a > webmaster, I don't have to look on a dozen > different pages to find and correct an addy for > one of my vols. For more info on The Registry > start here: http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/ > > There is no direct link on any of the pages taking > folks to the pages listing all the addys but > anyone that knows about dir structure and naming > patterns would have no trouble figuring out how to > see who all is listed and I included a Pico Search > so the site can be searched in several ways. It > is updated daily. > > <a > href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/vols/00001. > html#0000001">Nancy Trice</a> > <a > href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/vols/00001. > html#0000008">Linda Lewis</a> > <a > href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/vols/00001. > html#0000051">Sherri Hall</a> > <a > href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/vols/00004. > html#0000802">Cynthia Fulcher</a> > > Look at the source on any of the pages. Naturally > folks can't use this method to sub to or to post > to any of the lists, however I have actually > figured a way to use it on my KY-FOOTSTEPS mail > list... list is used only for posting of source > material... abstracts, transcriptions, etc... no > queries. I always had newbies [and others] > posting a query or folks sending unsub requests to > the list instead of the server, so I now moderate > the list and anyone sending anything to the list > for the archives is asked to obtain a Registry # > and to include it and their name on the record... > for instance if Sherri submitted something I would > show it this way: > > Submitted by: Sherri Hall > http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/vols/00001.html#0 > 000051 > > Then the data. > > > In the case of my state and county pages, I didn't > ask anyone to register in the beginning... I > assigned a number for all of the Ky CCs and ACCs > and my visitors on my county pages, put it on the > page and then notified them of it. When they > notify me of a change in addy I forward it to > Sherri to correct there too. Many of them have > begun using this on their pages instead of their > addy. > > Sherri and I have not gone back thru the archives > and changed folks addy's on the submissions but > Sherri did change it on the Archives county index > pages she handles so if the addy in the record is > wrong folks can check the Registry #. In some > cases folks have already updated their addy's. > New submissions have this # on the .txt file > instead of the addy. > > I think if more of the states used us the word > would spread among our volunteers quicker and a > lot of the bad addy problems would be corrected. > ;-) I know it's definately been a big help to me > on my pages... no more updating of addys all the > time. <g> Oh... and you don't have to be a > webmaster of a page to use it... individuals are > invited to register their addy and then ask that > it be used instead of their addy on any website > where they register their surnames etc. > > Anyway... I invite everyone to take a look-see and > to use The Registry if you wish. From my personal > experience over the last year it has definately > been a big help to me on all of my pages. Maybe > it will help you too. > > Best, > nt > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and > "mental illness". > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com

I'm handling it now, Linda. Thanks for the heads up. Jan Phillips ORGenWeb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Lewis" <cityslic@ix.netcom.com> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:11 AM Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] More Illegally Copied Files > The following site has copied files from the Archives without apparent > permission: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~orharney/hcems.htm > > Please inform the CC they can link to the files in the Archives but do > not copy them do another site. Ask them to remove the files and correct > the link. > > Linda >

The following site has copied files from the Archives without apparent permission: http://www.rootsweb.com/~orharney/hcems.htm Please inform the CC they can link to the files in the Archives but do not copy them do another site. Ask them to remove the files and correct the link. Linda

Until Virginia returns from out of state and can verify that the files were not "harvested" or typed by Jackie H. from a published book and submitted to the Archives, I have removed (after copying to my hard drive) the files in: ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ga/taylor/churches/ I would also like to remind CC's that files cannot be copied from the USGenWeb Archives without the permission of the submitters. As we have stated since 1996, you are welcome to link to the files, which are there permanently. Some CC's think that data should be located at the county site. Researchers do not care which server or where the data is located, as long as they can find it. When the files are in the Archives, we can help the submitters assure that the data will not be copied and sold. When the data is located hither and yon over the Internet, with changing CC's, the data could be lost, sold, or locked behind a fee site. One case recently was, unknown to us, a former CC copied the Census images from the Archives. When another person took over that county, she copied the images over to her server, unaware that they had been copied illegally by the former CC. There have been many many cases of CC's leaving in a huff and removing data. Thank you all, Linda

Isaiah- Nice reply, and good advice to all of us. Larry Flesher

I believe that Town Coordinators are a relatively new group of volunteers within the project and as ASC I need some information/advise. Are the required elements the same for TCs as for CCs? For instance, are they required to have the national and state logos displayed on their main page? Are they required to have links back to the national, state, and county main pages? If not, why not? I have just viewed two beautiful town sites that have nothing to identify them as part of the state or national projects. In fact one site has nothing to identify it as part of the county, nor does it have a link back to the county. Do I have the authority, as ASC, to enforce the rules in the absence of the SC? I found no mention of it in the Bylaws. I want to be sure of the rules and my position under the circumstances before I mention any of this to the CC whose TCs these gentlemen are. Thanks in advance for any assistance and advise. Leona Gustafson GenealogyBug@gustafson.net COGW ASC

At 12:48 PM 3/21/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I believe that Town Coordinators are a relatively new group of volunteers >within the project and as ASC I need some information/advise. > >Are the required elements the same for TCs as for CCs? For instance, are >they required to have the national and state logos displayed on their main >page? Are they required to have links back to the national, state, and >county main pages? If not, why not? > >I have just viewed two beautiful town sites that have nothing to identify >them as part of the state or national projects. In fact one site has >nothing to identify it as part of the county, nor does it have a link back >to the county. > >Do I have the authority, as ASC, to enforce the rules in the absence of the >SC? I found no mention of it in the Bylaws. > >I want to be sure of the rules and my position under the circumstances >before I mention any of this to the CC whose TCs these gentlemen are. > >Thanks in advance for any assistance and advise. > >Leona Gustafson >GenealogyBug@gustafson.net >COGW ASC Hi Leona- Our Bylaws don't even mention "County Coordinators," they call them "Local Coordiantors." State Projects are free to divide up their territory as they see fit depending on the political and geographic boundaries in their states. As the Acting State Coordinator you certainly have the responsibility and authority to make sure that the local sites affiliated with your project are properly identified and are following State and National guidelines. Be sure to do this with a light hand. Most errors and omissions are just that--errors and omissions. Congratulate your people on the good work they have done. Offer suggestions on how they may improve. Offer information on where to find logos and technical help, if they need it. write here for more help, if you need it. Good luck! -Isaiah

It's automatic in Ky... KyGenWeb state pages use it exclusively... no addy's on the pages at all. Ky Archives asks everyone to use it. Some don't but we ask them to. <g> nt -----Original Message----- From: Linda Lewis [mailto:cityslic@ix.netcom.com] Sent: 20 March, 2003 2:38 PM To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD-L] Problem with email addresses Thanks for explaining the Registry again, Nancy. Whenever a submitter asks to have their e-mail address changed, I recommend the Registry. It saves everyone time and if more cc's used it, visitors would automatically know to check the Registry for the person's name whose mail is bouncing - to see if they have a new e-mail address. http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/ Linda