At 09:22 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, you wrote: >At 06:12 PM 8/18/2003 -0700, Isaiah wrote: >>At 06:27 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Ellen Pack wrote: >> >>>Perception is important, and something about the way Friends is >>>presented is disturbing to me. Maybe just a few changes would do the >>>trick. :-) >>> >>>Ellen >>>MS >> >>The IAGenWeb Project and the Friends of IAGenWeb are two different >>entities. I agree the distinction needs to be made clearer on the websites. > >I think that would go a long way to relieving minds, at least my own. > >RW, for example. We link to it, usually using their own logo. When you >click on the link you don't arrive at a page that looks like the one you >just left, and you don't see our logo on their pages. You're also in an >entirely different domain. Some visitors still erroneously equate RW with >USGW, but at least there's a clear visual distinction in place. > >>Friends of IAGenWeb is currently involved, with the help of our attorney >>and our accountant, in preparing incorporation papers as a non-profit and >>will apply for not for profit status. >> >>I do want to assure everyone that the IAGenWeb Project is now and intends >>to continue to be a self-supporting organization providing free access to >>genealogical materials on the Internet. > >I never doubted that. > >>Friends of IAGenWeb was created to raise funds for this purpose. We >>certainly will do this in a solidly legal manner. We have also attempted >>to do this in a manner consistent with the bylaws of The USGenWeb >>Project. Of course, if the bylaws change, we will have to review our >>procedures. > >Thanks! > >Ellen I can't answer the domain name question. How different one website name will be from the other is a matter of what is technically possible with the webspace we are currently using. We are investigating the feasibility of purchasing our own server, in which case we would certainly have a greater latitude for naming sites. -Isaiah

At 10:22 PM 8/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: >To further what Jan said, I also wonder who gets paid what amounts for >research and data online? How much of the money collected by Friends of >IAGenWeb actually makes it to the CC's to help offset these costs? Is it >based on need? Is it based on the volume of data? Is it based on some >identified criterion? Is a request made? Is there accountability for these >monies? Is this information made available? > >Lots of questions here. Are there any answers? > >Richard Pettys, Jr. The funds collected by the Friends have gone to pay for server space, for the script to run our queries program, for the costs of incorporation and obtaining non-profit status. Some projected budgets are posted at http://www.usgenweb.com/volunteers/authorno.html No monies are provided to individual CCs. All people who donate to Friends of IAGenWeb are considered "members" of Friends of IAGenWeb and are provided with complete financial information. -Isaiah

----- Original Message ----- From: Joan Brausch <brauschj@earthlink.net> > I personally am upset that some CCs are soliciting ANY kinds of funds! As Kimm mentioned, from the beginning, we have advertised ourselves as providing FREE genealogical help and information. > > Joan Brausch > ASC MIGenWeb ***********************REPLY SEPARATOR************************** I think we were there years back, Joan! Glad it's over. <grin> In response to Rich Howland's one post, where he questions what's next - I would have to say that Friends of IAGenWeb sets a very bad precedent, in that, could I, or anyone else for that matter then establish a Friends of Mecosta Co., MIGenWeb site and solicit donations for more materials to go online. Funds to offset copies, books, transportation, phone calls, etc? Or should I wish to place this site on my own domain, then solicit for cost of the server space? This is not my intention, but, wouldn't it be basically the same thing? Jan Cortez SC MIGenWeb

At 03:31 PM 8/18/2003 -0700, Isaiah wrote: >It seems to me that this would make very little difference in the >operation of the IAGenWeb Project. Instead of linking to a page within the >IAGenWeb Project website, the link on our main page would need to lead >patrons to a page on the Friends of IAGenWeb website. Maybe that would be a big difference, though? Is IAGW also "Friends"? Are they one in the same? They appear to be, but I don't know. Maybe that's part of the problem. For simplistic folks like me who don't understand these things, it's difficult to tell what's what. Perception is important, and something about the way Friends is presented is disturbing to me. Maybe just a few changes would do the trick. :-) Ellen MS

At 06:27 PM 8/18/2003 -0500, Ellen Pack wrote: >At 03:31 PM 8/18/2003 -0700, Isaiah wrote: > >>It seems to me that this would make very little difference in the >>operation of the IAGenWeb Project. Instead of linking to a page within >>the IAGenWeb Project website, the link on our main page would need to >>lead patrons to a page on the Friends of IAGenWeb website. > >Maybe that would be a big difference, though? > >Is IAGW also "Friends"? Are they one in the same? They appear to be, but >I don't know. > >Maybe that's part of the problem. For simplistic folks like me who don't >understand these things, it's difficult to tell what's what. > >Perception is important, and something about the way Friends is presented >is disturbing to me. Maybe just a few changes would do the trick. :-) > >Ellen >MS The IAGenWeb Project and the Friends of IAGenWeb are two different entities. I agree the distinction needs to be made clearer on the websites. Friends of IAGenWeb is currently involved, with the help of our attorney and our accountant, in preparing incorporation papers as a non-profit and will apply for not for profit status. I do want to assure everyone that the IAGenWeb Project is now and intends to continue to be a self-supporting organization providing free access to genealogical materials on the Internet. Friends of IAGenWeb was created to raise funds for this purpose. We certainly will do this in a solidly legal manner. We have also attempted to do this in a manner consistent with the bylaws of The USGenWeb Project. Of course, if the bylaws change, we will have to review our procedures. -Isaiah

I thought this went to the list, but I see it only went to Shari. ======forwarded message=========== Waaaay back, we had CCs collecting to buy materials such as microfilm. The CCs vanished and so did the money. If we are going to go on a fund raising binge, we need to have a trust fund set up where the CCs do not get the money directly - and a financial officer to dole out the money -- and an auditor to make sure the financial officer does his/her job. Both should be bonded as well. --- Shari Handley <shari@tyaskin.com> wrote: > The Bylaws Revision Committee's proposed amended > section about > solicitation of funds will, if passed, take care of > this question that > has been raised about soliciting donations to pay > for server space (or > anything else). Here's how the revised version > goes: <snip> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

The Bylaws Revision Committee's proposed amended section about solicitation of funds will, if passed, take care of this question that has been raised about soliciting donations to pay for server space (or anything else). Here's how the revised version goes: Section 3. Solicitation of funds on a USGenWeb affiliated web site is prohibited. It is permissible, however, to provide a link to a non-USGenWeb affiliated personal web site where genealogical services or materials are offered for sale. It is also permissible to acknowledge any entities who host or provide server space at no cost and to include a link to that entity's web site. If a coordinator lists materials or services for sale or hire by third parties, such as genealogical societies or commercial interests, the home or index page may include a link to the listing, but the materials and services themselves may not be listed on the home or index page. Any such listing of materials or services for sale or hire by third parties should include a disclaimer on the listing page saying that The USGenWeb Project and the site coordinator make no warrantee as to the contents or accuracy of any of the materials for sale by these third parties, nor the expertise of any professional researchers listed. ***** Solicitation of funds on a USGenWeb affiliated web site is prohibited. It seems to me that this wording would avoid any question of whether a state can put up a page soliciting or encouraging donations, even to pay for server space. In my opinion, that is how it should be. Shari Handley

At 05:23 PM 8/18/2003 -0400, you wrote: >The Bylaws Revision Committee's proposed amended section about >solicitation of funds will, if passed, take care of this question that >has been raised about soliciting donations to pay for server space (or >anything else). Here's how the revised version goes: > >Section 3. Solicitation of funds on a USGenWeb affiliated web site is >prohibited. It is permissible, however, to provide a link to a >non-USGenWeb affiliated personal web site where genealogical services or >materials are offered for sale. It is also permissible to acknowledge >any entities who host or provide server space at no cost and to include >a link to that entity's web site. If a coordinator lists materials or >services for sale or hire by third parties, such as genealogical >societies or commercial interests, the home or index page may include a >link to the listing, but the materials and services themselves may not >be listed on the home or index page. Any such listing of materials or >services for sale or hire by third parties should include a disclaimer >on the listing page saying that The USGenWeb Project and the site >coordinator make no warrantee as to the contents or accuracy of any of >the materials for sale by these third parties, nor the expertise of any >professional researchers listed. > ***** > >Solicitation of funds on a USGenWeb affiliated web site is prohibited. >It seems to me that this wording would avoid any question of whether a >state can put up a page soliciting or encouraging donations, even to pay >for server space. In my opinion, that is how it should be. > >Shari Handley It seems to me that this would make very little difference in the operation of the IAGenWeb Project. Instead of linking to a page within the IAGenWeb Project website, the link on our main page would need to lead patrons to a page on the Friends of IAGenWeb website. -Isaiah

Kimm, Your reply is thought provoking about the benefits of obtaining money and how to do it. I still worry that this can get out of hand if CCs begin to solicit for their own website. George (SC for MA and CT) p.s. this list is open only to SCs and ASCs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimm Antell" <kantell@austin.rr.com> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: RE: [STATE-COORD] Mr National Coordinator if you would please answer a few? > I always thought that the whole solicit funds thing was so that coordinators > could receive a stipend from a local genealogical group to maintain the > website. I know I have talked to some Texas CCs in the past who maintain > their sites with close connection to their county's genealogical group. One > such site has a coutner that the group requires so that they can see how > many vists per month. I think that this kind of solicitation is okay. But > asking any user for funds seems a bit unethical to me. We have always > claimed that we are offering genealogy for free on the internet to help > spread genealogical information and I think we should stick by that. I have > a phrase on my two sites that says "Made by volunteers, for volunteers. Keep > genealogy free." Maybe we just need to clarify what kind of solicitation is > okay. > > On another note... who was the originator of the e-mail? Was he a cc? If > so, maybe this discussion should be taken off this list and be something > private between him and the SC? How did he get onto this list anyway? Is > he an SC? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Angie Rayfield [mailto:angie@inmyattic.com] > > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 5:59 AM > > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: RE: [STATE-COORD] Mr National Coordinator if you would please > > answer a few? > > > > > > That shouldn't be an issue, because a CC shouldn't be soliciting, or > > accepting, funds personally. > > > > Angie Rayfield > > NCGenWeb > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > >I do consider this an important topic for the SC list, and imagine > > >that some SC/ASC's have no clue what this discussion is about. > > >What will we do the first time some researcher writes to complain > > >about how a CC "ripped them off financially???" > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003 > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 > > >

I always thought that the whole solicit funds thing was so that coordinators could receive a stipend from a local genealogical group to maintain the website. I know I have talked to some Texas CCs in the past who maintain their sites with close connection to their county's genealogical group. One such site has a coutner that the group requires so that they can see how many vists per month. I think that this kind of solicitation is okay. But asking any user for funds seems a bit unethical to me. We have always claimed that we are offering genealogy for free on the internet to help spread genealogical information and I think we should stick by that. I have a phrase on my two sites that says "Made by volunteers, for volunteers. Keep genealogy free." Maybe we just need to clarify what kind of solicitation is okay. On another note... who was the originator of the e-mail? Was he a cc? If so, maybe this discussion should be taken off this list and be something private between him and the SC? How did he get onto this list anyway? Is he an SC? > -----Original Message----- > From: Angie Rayfield [mailto:angie@inmyattic.com] > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 5:59 AM > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [STATE-COORD] Mr National Coordinator if you would please > answer a few? > > > That shouldn't be an issue, because a CC shouldn't be soliciting, or > accepting, funds personally. > > Angie Rayfield > NCGenWeb > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >I do consider this an important topic for the SC list, and imagine > >that some SC/ASC's have no clue what this discussion is about. > >What will we do the first time some researcher writes to complain > >about how a CC "ripped them off financially???" > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003 > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003

Angie, Iowans, and others: Article IX seems to permit USGenWeb sites to solicit funds so long as it is not on the main webpage. It might be good for the BRC to make clearer how far sites can go with soliciting money for USGenWeb purpose. I would also greatly appreciate it if someone from Iowa could explain what they are doing in regards to soliciting funds, how they interpret the bylaws, and how CCs fit into the picture. It would be good, IMO, if we did not address this question to the NC since that introduces a political issue... and I do not want that on this list. George On 18 Aug 2003 at 5:58, Angie Rayfield wrote: > That shouldn't be an issue, because a CC shouldn't be soliciting, or > accepting, funds personally. > > Angie Rayfield > NCGenWeb > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >I do consider this an important topic for the SC list, and imagine > >that some SC/ASC's have no clue what this discussion is about. What > >will we do the first time some researcher writes to complain about > >how a CC "ripped them off financially???" > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003 > > >

I personally am upset that some CCs are soliciting ANY kinds of funds! As Kimm mentioned, from the beginning, we have advertised ourselves as providing FREE genealogical help and information. Joan Brausch ASC MIGenWeb -------Original Message------- From: Kimm Antell <kantell@austin.rr.com> Sent: 08/18/03 10:10 AM To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [STATE-COORD] Mr National Coordinator if you would please answer a few? > > I always thought that the whole solicit funds thing was so that coordinators could receive a stipend from a local genealogical group to maintain the website. I know I have talked to some Texas CCs in the past who maintain their sites with close connection to their county's genealogical group. One such site has a coutner that the group requires so that they can see how many vists per month. I think that this kind of solicitation is okay. But asking any user for funds seems a bit unethical to me. We have always claimed that we are offering genealogy for free on the internet to help spread genealogical information and I think we should stick by that. I have a phrase on my two sites that says "Made by volunteers, for volunteers. Keep genealogy free." Maybe we just need to clarify what kind of solicitation is okay. On another note... who was the originator of the e-mail? Was he a cc? If so, maybe this discussion should be taken off this list and be something private between him and the SC? How did he get onto this list anyway? Is he an SC? > -----Original Message----- > From: Angie Rayfield [mailto:angie@inmyattic.com] > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 5:59 AM > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [STATE-COORD] Mr National Coordinator if you would please > answer a few? > > > That shouldn't be an issue, because a CC shouldn't be soliciting, or > accepting, funds personally. > > Angie Rayfield > NCGenWeb > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >I do consider this an important topic for the SC list, and imagine > >that some SC/ASC's have no clue what this discussion is about. > >What will we do the first time some researcher writes to complain > >about how a CC "ripped them off financially???" > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003 > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 >

That shouldn't be an issue, because a CC shouldn't be soliciting, or accepting, funds personally. Angie Rayfield NCGenWeb >-----Original Message----- > >I do consider this an important topic for the SC list, and imagine >that some SC/ASC's have no clue what this discussion is about. >What will we do the first time some researcher writes to complain >about how a CC "ripped them off financially???" > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003

Sorry, Richard Harrison and to the rest of the mail list. Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: Isaiah Harrison To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Mr National Coordinator if you would please answer a few? At 08:25 PM 8/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Richard, I am not sure you would really like to hear my thoughts. Since I >am a SC and a lady, I will hold my thoughts, my temper, until I can give >you the right and legal information. You can go out and shout it to the >whole darn world for all I care, all I am seeing is a deep vengeance or >grudge that you have for someone, whether it be me or whoever, I can take >your crap and I can pass your crap right back as fast as you want to throw >it my direction but before I pass it back your direction, I will have my >facts straight and that is more than what you are passing right now. What >you are passing is pure crap! And, I am getting ready to pass it >back. But, I would like to take the rest of the day to mourn a member of >my family who passed away on Friday. Can you at least give me that much >decent courtesy as I can't make it back to IL for the funeral? And, right >now I would like to be left alone with my thoughts. > >If you want a shouting match, I can give you that too, but I don't think >this is the place to do it. If you want to start a name calling scenario, >I can chime in there too but when that happens, I also suggest that it not >be on this or any mail list. > >But, whatever, I am still proud to say that I was born in Illinois and >Illinois will always be my home. And, I am also proud to say that a lot >of my family left Illinois and moved to Iowa. > >Gail > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ILGenWeb State Coordinator > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Mr National Coordinator if you would please > answer a few? > > > My apologize to both of you for making that mistake. I was going by > your http://iagenweb.org/state/friends_of_iagenweb/501c3.htm . So are > you also the president of "Friend of IAGenWeb"? Is "Friend of IAGenWeb" > no longer claiming to be part of USGenWeb? Is "Friend of IAGenWeb" no > longer claiming to be a special project of IAGenWeb? Are the Logos on > http://iagenweb.org/state/friends.htm no longer USGenWeb and IAGenWeb > logo's? Or is it that there is a ARTICLE IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR > WEBSITES/MEMBERS Section 2. in the bylaws? Those are my statements. > Which are false? Richard... Gail- Please tone it down. I know it's difficult under the circumstances, but you must. Under the circumstances, I can't let you, of all people--get away with the slightest violation of the rules. There is no name-calling on this list--even is someone else calls you a name first--and if you use the word "crap" again, I'll moderate you. Remember, you're never going to convince Richard Howland of anything. What's important is the impression you can make on the other list members regarding the soundness of your ideas. -Richard --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 07/24/2003

At 08:25 PM 8/17/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Richard, I am not sure you would really like to hear my thoughts. Since I >am a SC and a lady, I will hold my thoughts, my temper, until I can give >you the right and legal information. You can go out and shout it to the >whole darn world for all I care, all I am seeing is a deep vengeance or >grudge that you have for someone, whether it be me or whoever, I can take >your crap and I can pass your crap right back as fast as you want to throw >it my direction but before I pass it back your direction, I will have my >facts straight and that is more than what you are passing right now. What >you are passing is pure crap! And, I am getting ready to pass it >back. But, I would like to take the rest of the day to mourn a member of >my family who passed away on Friday. Can you at least give me that much >decent courtesy as I can't make it back to IL for the funeral? And, right >now I would like to be left alone with my thoughts. > >If you want a shouting match, I can give you that too, but I don't think >this is the place to do it. If you want to start a name calling scenario, >I can chime in there too but when that happens, I also suggest that it not >be on this or any mail list. > >But, whatever, I am still proud to say that I was born in Illinois and >Illinois will always be my home. And, I am also proud to say that a lot >of my family left Illinois and moved to Iowa. > >Gail > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ILGenWeb State Coordinator > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Mr National Coordinator if you would please > answer a few? > > > My apologize to both of you for making that mistake. I was going by > your http://iagenweb.org/state/friends_of_iagenweb/501c3.htm . So are > you also the president of "Friend of IAGenWeb"? Is "Friend of IAGenWeb" > no longer claiming to be part of USGenWeb? Is "Friend of IAGenWeb" no > longer claiming to be a special project of IAGenWeb? Are the Logos on > http://iagenweb.org/state/friends.htm no longer USGenWeb and IAGenWeb > logo's? Or is it that there is a ARTICLE IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR > WEBSITES/MEMBERS Section 2. in the bylaws? Those are my statements. > Which are false? Richard... Gail- Please tone it down. I know it's difficult under the circumstances, but you must. Under the circumstances, I can't let you, of all people--get away with the slightest violation of the rules. There is no name-calling on this list--even is someone else calls you a name first--and if you use the word "crap" again, I'll moderate you. Remember, you're never going to convince Richard Howland of anything. What's important is the impression you can make on the other list members regarding the soundness of your ideas. -Richard

I don't know what he is talking about. What are the circumstances behind the statement?? Patricia Scott -------Original Message------- From: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, August 17, 2003 16:02:26 To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Mr National Coordinator if you would please answer a few? I'm very offended with the posting by Mr. Howland. As a new member of this list, and newly elected IAGenWeb ASC, I certainly hope that this list isn't another forum for distructive, disruptive, rude and flaming attacks on anyone or any of the state projects. I assumed that the State-Coord-L was used for the constructive communication between leadership of all USGenWeb state projects. If it is a political list, I don't care to take part. I believe I am required to subscribe to this list, but if not, will the list-adm. please unsubscribe me. Thank-you, Sharyl Ferrall IAGenWeb ASC ----- Original Message ----- From: ILGenWeb State Coordinator To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 1:37 PM Subject: [STATE-COORD] Mr National Coordinator if you would please answer a few? Since money has been brought in to the open, I have a few questions I need answered. <snip> Richard M. Howland ILGenWeb State Coordinator Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 898319 .

While the tone of the questions below is a little strident, I too would like to express my concerns about getting USGenWeb involved in money-making. We have established ourself as an outfit with a sparkling image and it is important for us to keep it that way. Trying to do so and become a money making venture will be very difficult if not impossible. The bylaws permit soliciting money and I don''t consider it unethical to do so. However I do find it pragmatically a mistake because once States and Counties start to collect money, it will be a nightmare to "keep clean." Iowa is doing a great job at keeping it clean, but we cannot expect that everyone will be so good at it. Reminds me of the "Sorceror's Apprentice." :-) Oh another worry... once money is solicited and flows in, there will be IMO a natural urge to hire salaried people to keep track of the money and to raise more. I do consider this an important topic for the SC list, and imagine that some SC/ASC's have no clue what this discussion is about. What will we do the first time some researcher writes to complain about how a CC "ripped them off financially???" By the way, I have no political grudge against anyone on this matter. Respectfully, George (SC for MA and CT) On 17 Aug 2003 at 16:37, ILGenWeb State Coordinator wrote: > > Since money has been brought in to the open, I have a few questions I > need answered. > > Just how much money are we allowed to make? > > Is it ok to solicit funds on the county sites also? > > Is it ok for CC's to solicit for their county site? > > May we solicit from several different links? > > Just how many is too many links? > > Just how pornography is too pornography? > > If there are no pictures, just dirty words is that ok? > > Is RootsWeb going to be ok with our new found money making scams? > > What do you think would be a fair share to offer our servers? > > Do you think we should offer anyone else a share? > > Maybe we could sell stock? > > You know with our couple of million hits we should be able to really > make some money? > > You know this could be a really big business? Now if we can just keep > the government from wanting a share? Richard… > > > > > > Richard M. Howland ILGenWeb State Coordinator > Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 898319 > > > >

Richard, I am not sure you would really like to hear my thoughts. Since I am a SC and a lady, I will hold my thoughts, my temper, until I can give you the right and legal information. You can go out and shout it to the whole darn world for all I care, all I am seeing is a deep vengeance or grudge that you have for someone, whether it be me or whoever, I can take your crap and I can pass your crap right back as fast as you want to throw it my direction but before I pass it back your direction, I will have my facts straight and that is more than what you are passing right now. What you are passing is pure crap! And, I am getting ready to pass it back. But, I would like to take the rest of the day to mourn a member of my family who passed away on Friday. Can you at least give me that much decent courtesy as I can't make it back to IL for the funeral? And, right now I would like to be left alone with my thoughts. If you want a shouting match, I can give you that too, but I don't think this is the place to do it. If you want to start a name calling scenario, I can chime in there too but when that happens, I also suggest that it not be on this or any mail list. But, whatever, I am still proud to say that I was born in Illinois and Illinois will always be my home. And, I am also proud to say that a lot of my family left Illinois and moved to Iowa. Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: ILGenWeb State Coordinator To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Mr National Coordinator if you would please answer a few? My apologize to both of you for making that mistake. I was going by your http://iagenweb.org/state/friends_of_iagenweb/501c3.htm . So are you also the president of "Friend of IAGenWeb"? Is "Friend of IAGenWeb" no longer claiming to be part of USGenWeb? Is "Friend of IAGenWeb" no longer claiming to be a special project of IAGenWeb? Are the Logos on http://iagenweb.org/state/friends.htm no longer USGenWeb and IAGenWeb logo's? Or is it that there is a ARTICLE IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS Section 2. in the bylaws? Those are my statements. Which are false? Richard... As to how many more list. What you don't want the rest of states to get their fair share? Richard... Gail Meyer Kilgore wrote: > I guess I would like to ask, how many more lists are you going to infiltrate, Mr. Howland, with your false statements? I cannot give you the full picture of what the discussion has been on the Discuss mail list but I will tell you that there will be a statement forthcoming. > > Also, Mr. Howland, Don Kelly is not the SC for Iowa, I am. > > Gail Meyer Kilgore Richard M. Howland ILGenWeb State Coordinator Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 898319 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 07/24/2003

I trust this is a joke. --Ann ILGenWeb State Coordinator wrote: > > Since money has been brought in to the open, I have a few questions I > need answered. > > Just how much money are we allowed to make? > > Is it ok to solicit funds on the county sites also? > > Is it ok for CC's to solicit for their county site? > > May we solicit from several different links? > > Just how many is too many links? > > Just how pornography is too pornography? > > If there are no pictures, just dirty words is that ok? > > Is RootsWeb going to be ok with our new found money making scams? > > What do you think would be a fair share to offer our servers? > > Do you think we should offer anyone else a share? > > Maybe we could sell stock? > > You know with our couple of million hits we should be able to really > make some money? > > You know this could be a really big business? Now if we can just keep > the government from wanting a share? Richard… > > > > > > Richard M. Howland ILGenWeb State Coordinator > Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 898319 > > > >

My apologize to both of you for making that mistake. I was going by your http://iagenweb.org/state/friends_of_iagenweb/501c3.htm . So are you also the president of "Friend of IAGenWeb"? Is "Friend of IAGenWeb" no longer claiming to be part of USGenWeb? Is "Friend of IAGenWeb" no longer claiming to be a special project of IAGenWeb? Are the Logos on http://iagenweb.org/state/friends.htm no longer USGenWeb and IAGenWeb logo's? Or is it that there is a ARTICLE IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS Section 2. in the bylaws? Those are my statements. Which are false? Richard... As to how many more list. What you don't want the rest of states to get their fair share? Richard... Gail Meyer Kilgore wrote: > I guess I would like to ask, how many more lists are you going to infiltrate, Mr. Howland, with your false statements? I cannot give you the full picture of what the discussion has been on the Discuss mail list but I will tell you that there will be a statement forthcoming. > > Also, Mr. Howland, Don Kelly is not the SC for Iowa, I am. > > Gail Meyer Kilgore Richard M. Howland ILGenWeb State Coordinator Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 898319