The Election Committee is still waiting for the results. Larry apparently found himself tied up in a business conference yesterday, and was unable to process the numbers. The EC is assuming we'll get them Monday morning. Ellen At 09:27 AM 8/23/2003 -1000, you wrote: >Is there an estimated time, or day, of when the run-off results will >be known? > >I am guessing Monday but I haven't seen any kind of announcement on >the web page or on a mail list. > >David > >David W. Morgan damorgan@nyx.net Honolulu Hawaii >SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ >FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm >** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/

This had nothing to do with "campaigning". Any one thinking it did was admitting that it was wrong and they were in breach of the USGenWeb bylaws. Other wise they would have happily have said "look what a great thing we have done. Look what great leaders we are." But no instead they claim that people can not read. You spin word to mean things never intended. USGenWeb has a very real history. That history is no begging for money for themselves. It is not what USGenWeb is about. If there is other XXGenWeb projects in breach then they need to change also. But this discussion is about three AB members that have taken it upon themselves to try to circumnavigate the bylaws. It is not about whether or not "XXXXX County Historical and Genealogical Society" can soliciting funds. Sure they can. More power to them. I give to them and pay my dues every year. This is about calling yourself a part USGenWeb, or XXGenWeb project and soliciting funds from USGenWeb and XXGenWeb pages. It is about how you can use USGenWeb to create your own personal empire. Rootsweb is great example. Most all of us gave to it. We thought it was going to be utopia. Something happened and it was sold to the money side of genealogy. The real question is, we came up with a real good idea. Are we now ready to sell that idea to the money side of genealogy? Do we really need to sell our principles? Are we going to finally let the naysayer win? How many time do we have to be told, you just can't do genealogy for nothing. The USGenWeb Project consists of a group of volunteers working together to provide Internet websites for genealogical research in every county and every state of the United States. The Project is non-commercial and fully committed to free access for everyone. DON'T FORGET TO SEND MONEY TO KEEP IT THAT WAY TO OUR PAY PAL ACCOUNT!!! Richard... Richard M. Howland Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 898319

I think most people know exactly what I'm talking about, and see no need to make a Federal case out of it. Ellen At 10:46 AM 8/23/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Ellen, >Offensive speech is speech that offends someone. It is >almost impossible to write to a list this large without offending >someone. > >In fact, this email itself is probably offensive to someone. >I certainly hope my right to post it is protected. > >Respectfully, George

At 09:13 AM 8/23/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Ellen....had you read Mr. Petty's ENTIRE post instead of looking for >something to make a cutting comment about, I did read the entire note. Read his previous notes, too. Also read Vicki's note, and Isaiah's, and everyone else. Understood them all quite nicely. And now I'm reading yours. Ellen

Ellen, Offensive speech is speech that offends someone. It is almost impossible to write to a list this large without offending someone. In fact, this email itself is probably offensive to someone. I certainly hope my right to post it is protected. Respectfully, George On 23 Aug 2003 at 8:03, Ellen Pack wrote: > At 08:40 AM 8/23/2003 -0400, Pettys wrote: > >Offensive speech is protected. > > I hope it's not protected here. > > Ellen > >

Is there an estimated time, or day, of when the run-off results will be known? I am guessing Monday but I haven't seen any kind of announcement on the web page or on a mail list. David David W. Morgan damorgan@nyx.net Honolulu Hawaii SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm ** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/

Ellen....had you read Mr. Petty's ENTIRE post instead of looking for something to make a cutting comment about, you would have seen that his point was that some people in this Project term "offensive" anything that disagrees with their opinion. Vicki, by stating that the discussion in regard to someone making money off of the Project was "campaigning" was attempting to turn the point away from the fact that some are making, or planning to make, money off of the Project. And, was hoping to turn some "off" because it was pure politics. If you don't like the word "money", let's term it "something of value". For surely, if there isn't any actual cash accrued over and above expenses, then there is the feeding of dreams of creating a little empirical corporation that asks for contributions in order to supply the "free" information....including purchasing a server and hitting on foundations for funding. Once again, IF it is okay to organize a group like Friends of IAGenWeb to solicit funds to maintain/allow the posting of "free access" genealogical information, then there is nothing wrong with Wright County Historical and Genealogical Society soliciting funds to maintain/allow the posting of "free access" information to the Wright County site. And, that it also opens the door for ALL XXGenWeb Projects to do the same.......and filters down to the local coordinators. A FREE-FOR-ALL, do whatever you wish.....as long as you don't actually charge for the information itself, or have the USGenWeb Project logo on the "begging pages." Phyllis Rippee SW/SC CC Representative

Vicki, since the end of July, there has been *no campaigning*. The only races left up in the air are runoffs. And I believe that voting on them ended this week. I know what it is. Those of us who disagree with the NC and raise issues are running a smear campaign against him and that was what you meant by campaigning, right? I now understand. I forgot my place. How dare I have feelings on an issue that are not the same as the NC's and yours! Remember this if you remember nothing else I ever say: the only speech that is legally protected is the speech with which you disagree and do not want to hear. That's right. Offensive speech is protected. There is no need to protect speech that you agree with, enjoy or like. Richard ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Heather DeGeorge" <heatherdegeorge@writeme.com> To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:50:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] PLEASE STOP!!! > Campaigning for WHAT? What office is available to campaign for? > > So you contend that it's not possible that some of us just have > strong feelings about certain things? That's not possible? It MUST > be campaiging? > > Again, I ask: campaigning for what? > > --Heather Jones DeGeorge > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vicki Shaffer" <wire@shaffer.com> > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:13:10 -0500 > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] PLEASE STOP!!! > > > How true, Suzanne! > > > > But the majority of it has been campaigning and it is time for all that to > > stop. > > > > Vicki > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Suzanne Leonard" <sleonard@wyoming.com> > > To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:38 PM > > Subject: [STATE-COORD] PLEASE STOP!!! > > > > > > > The death of the GenWeb isn't going to be from links to Friends of > > > anything...it's going to be from decent people quitting the project > > because > > > they are sick of all this PETTY BICKERING!!! > > > > > > Suzanne, a decent person who is sick of all of this petty bickering > > > > > > > > > > -- > __________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search > http://corp.mail.com/careers ------- End of Original Message -------

At 08:40 AM 8/23/2003 -0400, Pettys wrote: >Offensive speech is protected. I hope it's not protected here. Ellen

My read is that Isaiah is in a run-off election with Tim and that raising the soliciting issue might hurt Isaiah's campaign. I believe we have all managed to discuss the soliciting issue without turning it into a campaign issue. Good for us! And... a sign that we are not into petty bickering. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather DeGeorge" <heatherdegeorge@writeme.com> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] PLEASE STOP!!! > > > Campaigning for WHAT? What office is available to campaign for? > > So you contend that it's not possible that some of us just have strong feelings about certain things? That's not possible? It MUST be campaiging? > > Again, I ask: campaigning for what? > > --Heather Jones DeGeorge > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vicki Shaffer" <wire@shaffer.com> > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:13:10 -0500 > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] PLEASE STOP!!! > > > How true, Suzanne! > > > > But the majority of it has been campaigning and it is time for all that to > > stop. > > > > Vicki

David, The emails are from your name and email on web pages.. I'm getting literally thousands and there is no virus/worm on my machine. Maggie ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Morgan" <dmorgan@efn.org> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] WI CC askes you do a virus check - someone has got it on our lists And if you don't have an address book, but are still getting several hundred virus e-mails a day, what is your solution? The e-mails I am getting that contain a virus have the from: line forged. They aren't really coming from the CCs whose e-mail addresses I recognize. David On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, MAK - Transcriber Only wrote: > Just a quick note - I am getting many emails from > servers which are saying I am giving them a virus - > catch is, I don't have the VIRUS. So if you are > getting mail with my name on it saying that, it ain't > me (grin). The virus sends these bogus emails out from > the infected mail box. That means a few of you out > there that have my email addresses in your address > book makkuehl@yahoo... and MAKTranscriber@yahoo... > need to check your machines for a virus. > > Also, I am getting a number of emails from people with > nothing in them - that means - you have a virus.... > yahoo chops out the message and I get a blank hull... > > > To avoid having someone harvest your email box, you > can make an erroneous entry under last name type 001 > under first name type 0001 and save, it will become > your first entry. When the virus tries to open your > address book, it gets stopped in its tracks. > > I answered all mail which had something in it today, > so if you sent me something - please check for virus > and then resend. Sorry about that. > > R/S MAK > > > > > > ===== > MAKTranscriber - > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwood > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiportag > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wimonroe > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > David W. Morgan dmorgan@efn.org Honolulu Hawaii SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm ** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/03

Welcome Mari! Sundee Maynez ASC for Colorado GenWeb

Campaigning for WHAT? What office is available to campaign for? So you contend that it's not possible that some of us just have strong feelings about certain things? That's not possible? It MUST be campaiging? Again, I ask: campaigning for what? --Heather Jones DeGeorge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vicki Shaffer" <wire@shaffer.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:13:10 -0500 To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] PLEASE STOP!!! > How true, Suzanne! > > But the majority of it has been campaigning and it is time for all that to > stop. > > Vicki > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzanne Leonard" <sleonard@wyoming.com> > To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:38 PM > Subject: [STATE-COORD] PLEASE STOP!!! > > > > The death of the GenWeb isn't going to be from links to Friends of > > anything...it's going to be from decent people quitting the project > because > > they are sick of all this PETTY BICKERING!!! > > > > Suzanne, a decent person who is sick of all of this petty bickering > > > > > -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup CareerBuilder.com has over 400,000 jobs. Be smarter about your job search http://corp.mail.com/careers

Suzanne, I believe we all consider ourselves "decent" persons. Could you be more specific about what you consider "PETTY BICKERING!!!" Sincerely, George On 21 Aug 2003 at 18:38, Suzanne Leonard wrote: > The death of the GenWeb isn't going to be from links to Friends of > anything...it's going to be from decent people quitting the project > because they are sick of all this PETTY BICKERING!!! > > Suzanne, a decent person who is sick of all of this petty bickering > >

Welcome! Tennessee Rocks and Vols :-) George SC MAGenWeb SC CTGenWeb but most happily CC Lincoln Co TNGenWeb On 21 Aug 2003 at 15:31, Margie Daniels wrote: > Whoot! > > Congrats, Tennessee Rocks and I know you will do a great job. > > Margie Daniels > ASC ALGenWeb

How true, Suzanne! But the majority of it has been campaigning and it is time for all that to stop. Vicki ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne Leonard" <sleonard@wyoming.com> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:38 PM Subject: [STATE-COORD] PLEASE STOP!!! > The death of the GenWeb isn't going to be from links to Friends of > anything...it's going to be from decent people quitting the project because > they are sick of all this PETTY BICKERING!!! > > Suzanne, a decent person who is sick of all of this petty bickering > >

Margie Daniels wrote: > > 9. Why did Linda Lewis negotiate the RW contract and not the NC if they are > part of the USGWP and not a sponsored organization? Who negotiated for the > other SP hosted on RW? Linda Lewis did not negotiate the RW contract. I received a copy but did not agree, and did not sign. Linda

The death of the GenWeb isn't going to be from links to Friends of anything...it's going to be from decent people quitting the project because they are sick of all this PETTY BICKERING!!! Suzanne, a decent person who is sick of all of this petty bickering

Thanks Linda, Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Lewis" <cityslic@ix.netcom.com> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] A few questions for Mr. Harrison please > > > Margie Daniels wrote: > > > > 9. Why did Linda Lewis negotiate the RW contract and not the NC if they are > > part of the USGWP and not a sponsored organization? Who negotiated for the > > other SP hosted on RW? > > Linda Lewis did not negotiate the RW contract. I received a copy but did > not agree, and did not sign. > > Linda > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003

>I think we flip-flop back and forth between "leave volunteers alone and be grateful for whatever they do" and an unrealistic level of bureaucracy. There must be a happy medium. I'm strongly in favor of leaving the CCs alone to work without interference, but I don't think setting up a list of basics which could reasonably be expected by visiting researchers would be taken badly. A list of basic directional answers on the state site also seems like a good idea. One more thing for my to do list... > I really wonder how many of our CCs agree with this? I'm in 9 states and whenever I went to a new state, I "looked around" before offering to adopt. I find FAR more sites that don't focus on being such a gateway--but rather focus on transcriptions and volunteer networks. I OFTEN find that we duplicate efforts that exist free-of-charge elsewhere. > I think some of our CCs feel they are personally responsible for providing information instead of FACILITATING finding of information. I don't think we give good direction to them, nor do I think many of them agree with or understand what we're saying here. I say this based on feedback of my own sites--which are generally 90% information on finding sources and 10% transcription (and that's if I'm lucky; but in some counties there are TONS of transcriptions available). On the other hand, I would also say that a significant portion of the general public thinks "it's all on the Internet" and that having all your census transcripts and cemetery listings etc. available for instant searching *is* a reasonable expectation, so the CCs who provide content-heavy sites are giving their visitors exactly what they want. If they're not able to, that's OK, but I don't think doing it is straying from their mission. Bob Sullivan NYGenWeb SC