About every three months or so, I ask on this list for everyone to check that page for corrections, etc. I always do get responses since sometimes people forget to let me know when changes occur. I think others don't bother to check,unfortunately, so I am sure there are errors. I would most certainly appreciate Shari's help in keeping this page up to date. Pam -----Original Message----- From: Shari Handley [mailto:shari@tyaskin.com] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 7:02 PM To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: SC/ASC national list (was RE: [STATE-COORD] Texas ASCs) Hi David and everyone, As the new RAL, I'm minding the list until Isaiah gets back from his vacation. Thanks for the info about Kimm . . . I was trying to clean up the subscriber list and, yes, I had used the "Who's Who" list on the national web site to verify ASCs. I have just resubscribed Kimm. I have access to the national site and I will update the SC/ASC list there with the information you gave. While I'm at it, could each of you please take a look at the "Who's Who" SC/ASC list (http://www.usgenweb.org/about/whoswhocoord.html) and check the information on your state for accuracy (names and email addresses)? Let me know of any needed changes and I'll take care of it. I know that Pam won't mind a little helping hand. Shari Handley [-----Original Message----- [From: David W. Morgan [mailto:damorgan@nyx.net] [Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 3:01 AM [To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com [Subject: [STATE-COORD] Texas ASCs [ [ [ [Who is is running the state-coord list now? [ [Would you please subscribe Kimm Antell, kantell@austin.rr.com [back to the list? [ [Kimm is an assistant state coordinator for Texas, along with [Bettie Wood and Shirley Cullum. [ [If you unsubscribed her when you didn't find her on the national web [page, I have requested three time since July that Kimm be added as [an ASC for Texas, to absolutley no effect. [ [Does it have anything to do with the automatic reply that Kimm [is sending out? I don't care much for that either. [ [David [ [David W. Morgan damorgan@nyx.net Honolulu Hawaii [SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ [FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm [** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/

Hi David and everyone, As the new RAL, I'm minding the list until Isaiah gets back from his vacation. Thanks for the info about Kimm . . . I was trying to clean up the subscriber list and, yes, I had used the "Who's Who" list on the national web site to verify ASCs. I have just resubscribed Kimm. I have access to the national site and I will update the SC/ASC list there with the information you gave. While I'm at it, could each of you please take a look at the "Who's Who" SC/ASC list (http://www.usgenweb.org/about/whoswhocoord.html) and check the information on your state for accuracy (names and email addresses)? Let me know of any needed changes and I'll take care of it. I know that Pam won't mind a little helping hand. Shari Handley [-----Original Message----- [From: David W. Morgan [mailto:damorgan@nyx.net] [Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 3:01 AM [To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com [Subject: [STATE-COORD] Texas ASCs [ [ [ [Who is is running the state-coord list now? [ [Would you please subscribe Kimm Antell, kantell@austin.rr.com [back to the list? [ [Kimm is an assistant state coordinator for Texas, along with [Bettie Wood and Shirley Cullum. [ [If you unsubscribed her when you didn't find her on the national web [page, I have requested three time since July that Kimm be added as [an ASC for Texas, to absolutley no effect. [ [Does it have anything to do with the automatic reply that Kimm [is sending out? I don't care much for that either. [ [David [ [David W. Morgan damorgan@nyx.net Honolulu Hawaii [SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ [FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm [** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/

Shari Handley is temporary admin of this list until Isaiah's return. I was until last evening. Tina Vickery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Shockey" <LShockey@citynet.net> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Texas ASCs > At 09:01 PM 08/31/2003 -1000, you wrote: > > >Who is is running the state-coord list now? > > David, Isaiah is in charge of the list. He is on vacation at the > moment. I have no idea if he made arrangements for someone to sit this > list while he is away. > > Les > > Les Shockey email address = lshockey@citynet.net > or wvgenweb@citynet.net > RootsWeb Listowner for the SHOCKEY family discussion group. > SHOCKEY-L@rootsweb.com > Visit the Jackson County, WVGenWeb Page, part of USGenWeb Project at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvjackso/JACK.HTM > Visit the (West Virginia) WVGenWeb: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/ >

At 09:01 PM 08/31/2003 -1000, you wrote: >Who is is running the state-coord list now? David, Isaiah is in charge of the list. He is on vacation at the moment. I have no idea if he made arrangements for someone to sit this list while he is away. Les Les Shockey email address = lshockey@citynet.net or wvgenweb@citynet.net RootsWeb Listowner for the SHOCKEY family discussion group. SHOCKEY-L@rootsweb.com Visit the Jackson County, WVGenWeb Page, part of USGenWeb Project at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvjackso/JACK.HTM Visit the (West Virginia) WVGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/

Who is is running the state-coord list now? Would you please subscribe Kimm Antell, kantell@austin.rr.com back to the list? Kimm is an assistant state coordinator for Texas, along with Bettie Wood and Shirley Cullum. If you unsubscribed her when you didn't find her on the national web page, I have requested three time since July that Kimm be added as an ASC for Texas, to absolutley no effect. Does it have anything to do with the automatic reply that Kimm is sending out? I don't care much for that either. David David W. Morgan damorgan@nyx.net Honolulu Hawaii SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm ** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/

NHGenWeb Project is back. Tina Vickery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven & Ann Mensch" <Mensch-Family@worldnet.att.net> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 9:07 PM Subject: [STATE-COORD] USGenWeb for New Hampshire? > Hello, > > Is there a new url for NHGenWeb? I find nothing online at > http://www.rootsquest.com/~usgwnhus/ > > --Ann > VTGenWeb > >

Ann, I have written to James and David. Stay tuned, Tina Vickery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven & Ann Mensch" <Mensch-Family@worldnet.att.net> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 9:07 PM Subject: [STATE-COORD] USGenWeb for New Hampshire? > Hello, > > Is there a new url for NHGenWeb? I find nothing online at > http://www.rootsquest.com/~usgwnhus/ > > --Ann > VTGenWeb > >

Hello, Is there a new url for NHGenWeb? I find nothing online at http://www.rootsquest.com/~usgwnhus/ --Ann VTGenWeb

*Please forward to all USGenWeb members, and appropriate lists.* To all USGenWeb Project members: The USGenWeb Election Committee is seeking volunteers who would like to serve on the Election Committee. The following positions are available: Member-At-Large - Term: January 1, 2003-Dec 31, 2005. NENC - 2 seats To complete the term ending Dec 31, 2004 Term: January 1, 2003-Dec 31, 2005. NWPL - Term; January 1, 2003-Dec 31, 2005. SEMA - Term: January 1, 2003-Dec 31, 2005. SWSC - 2 seats To complete the term ending Dec 31, 2004 Term: January 1, 2003-Dec 31, 2005. Archives - Term: January 1, 2003-Dec 31, 2005 Responsibilities include begin responsive to Email, developing a working relationship with state and Archives leadership to maintain current voter lists, and assisting in polls, state elections, and the annual National election. Volunteers will have the satisfaction of working with an excellent and dedicated group of volunteers to handle a difficult but important and rewarding responsibility in seeing that your fellow members have an opportunity to vote. More information about the EC is available at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwelections/ Per Election Committee Procedures, volunteers are subject to confirmation by the USGenWeb Advisory Board. If interested, please send a note to Ellen Pack <e.j.pack@natchezbelle.org> with the subject line, "Volunteer for EC." Please include a list of all your positions within the project. Thank you for your time, and please consider volunteering! USGenWeb Election Committee

Get the goods you paid for? The only reason you'd be receiving goods is if you made a purchase. There's a difference in making a donation and in making a purchase. There are very few instances where you can make a donation to a group and be able to specify what the money will be used for. And even if you make the hypothetical that Friends of IAGenWeb accepted a donation under the condition that it would be used for buying census films and nothing else, if that purchase was not made, the ONLY group that would be liable would be the Friends of IAGenWeb. (Actually, you wouldn't have any legal complaint unless the money was used for another purpose -- you wouldn't be able to complain that the money was used outside of the conditions if it's not used at all.) They are legally entirely separate from USGW, and you would have no claim against USGW. In all, Friends of IAGenWeb has been set up in such a way as to provide the maximum protection for the USGWP. Angie >-----Original Message----- > >Sorry: > >If I donated $5000 so IAGenWeb could buy some census >films - and the films were never purchased for >whatever reason, I would sure go after USGW and >whomever else I could to get the goods I paid for or >my money back. > >--- Angie Rayfield <angie@inmyattic.com> wrote: >> >-----Original Message----- >> > >> >We are opening up ourselves to liability should >> >someone abscond with the funds. >> > >> >> I'm sorry, but you're wrong. If someone in Friends >> of IAGenWeb >> embezzles funds, the only person liable is the >> person that committed the >> theft. If someone has a complaint against the >> Friends of IAGenWeb, the >> only group responsible *is* the Friends of IAGenWeb. >> It's no different >> than the "Friends of the Library," or "Friends of >> the Zoo," or any >> organization of that sort. >> >> Angie >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system >> (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release >> Date: 8/19/2003 >> >> > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003

Only exists for those who have control of "the button." But, what goes around comes around. Sometimes in slightly different forms.....but it does come around. Phyllis Rippee SW/SC CC Representative

Right! On 27 Aug 2003 at 11:00, David W. Morgan wrote: > > So much for free speech. > > David > > > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, George Waller wrote: > > > My apologies to the list and the moderator. > > George > > > > On 26 Aug 2003 at 20:35, Tina S Vickery wrote: > > > > > Let's keep this discussion to posts that originated on this list. > > > > > > Isaiah has left for vacation, and for those of you that follow the > > > Board-L list you are aware that I am Temporary Chair of the > > > Advisory Board, and by default, list administrator of STATE-COORD. > > > > > > The discussion that has been presented, until the last two posts > > > by Mr. Waller were well within the realm of discussion for this > > > list. His forward of Tim's post was inappropriate. Tim is very > > > capable of speaking for himself, and his moderated status will not > > > be circumvented. > > > > > > George, do not cross-post to this list. Out of context posts do > > > not serve any purpose. > > > > > > > > > Tina Vickery > > > Temp Chair, USGenWeb Advisory Board > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "George Waller" <George@Waller.Org> > > > To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 7:39 PM > > > Subject: [STATE-COORD] Re: TN-ALL The Sky is falling! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David W. Morgan dmorgan@efn.org Honolulu Hawaii > SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ > FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm > ** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/ > >

So much for free speech. David On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, George Waller wrote: > My apologies to the list and the moderator. > George > > On 26 Aug 2003 at 20:35, Tina S Vickery wrote: > > > Let's keep this discussion to posts that originated on this list. > > > > Isaiah has left for vacation, and for those of you that follow the > > Board-L list you are aware that I am Temporary Chair of the Advisory > > Board, and by default, list administrator of STATE-COORD. > > > > The discussion that has been presented, until the last two posts by > > Mr. Waller were well within the realm of discussion for this list. His > > forward of Tim's post was inappropriate. Tim is very capable of > > speaking for himself, and his moderated status will not be > > circumvented. > > > > George, do not cross-post to this list. Out of context posts do not > > serve any purpose. > > > > > > Tina Vickery > > Temp Chair, USGenWeb Advisory Board > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "George Waller" <George@Waller.Org> > > To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 7:39 PM > > Subject: [STATE-COORD] Re: TN-ALL The Sky is falling! > > > > > > > David W. Morgan dmorgan@efn.org Honolulu Hawaii SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm ** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/

Don't know if i responded or not at this stage of the game, but I go along with what the USGenWeb by-laws say and that is no soliciting on themain page Nevada has a link to two other pages that have books for sale, but no soliciting at all. Patricia Scott -------Original Message------- From: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 16:43:15 To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [STATE-COORD] Re: TN-ALL The Sky is falling! Hi Fred, TN-ALL and no BCCs, Fred... you have taken a lot of effort below to attempt to ridicule me. I wish to assure you that I am perfectly capable of doing that myself. It is my opinion that it is not in the best interest of the USGWP for states or LCs to solicit funds to run their USGenWeb projects. I asked the State Coordinators list to respond to this opinion (actually it was Ellen Pack's original opinion). 33 states did not respond, of the 21 people who did respond, about 10 agreed with me and 11 didn't. At this point, it was clear to me that there was little interested in the subject. Stating the obvious, my next opinion was that we should not encourage STATES to solicit funds, and that we should forbid LCs from soliciting funds. The main reason for my opinions is that it is very likely that soliciting funds will end in a bad name for the project. Now Fred, since you had no compunctions about quoting me (cutting and pasting) from another list, you will not mind that I quote your email (in its entirity) to the state coordinator list. Respectfully, George (CC for Lincoln Co TNGenWeb) On 26 Aug 2003 at 16:03, Fred Smoot wrote: > Greetings TN-all and others (BCCed), > > From the Git-Go "Waaaay back" in '96 when all the parts coalesced into > the USGenWeb Project, it was to be non-commercial deal with free > access online genealogical data. > > In '99, the bylaws were passed which included certain prohibitions of > commercialism on our pages. I have copied the pertinent section of the > bylaws way down-under. > > Now comes the punchline: A "Friends of IAGenWeb" has seemingly > incorporated as a nonprofit to eventually pay for server space for > IAGenWeb and for other worthy purposes. This nonprofit corporation is > getting a lot of heat from the naysayers. Some of the complaints are > running from, "not in the best interest of the USGenWeb Project," ... > "a clear conflict of interest," ... to Joy Fisher's smokescreen > remark: "Waaaay back, we had CCs collecting to buy materials such as > microfilm. ... The CCs vanished and so did the money." > > The quotes above are from the August page of the State-Coord list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/STATE-COORD/2003-08 > > It is amazing as why the naysayers are SO opposed to nonprofit > corporations (puts them in a virtual panic it does) but are in a rush > to bundle up with commercial companies without so much as a blink of > an eye. > > Now we know that historically there have server changes, both for > TNGenWeb Project and USGenWeb Project. At TNGenWeb, we went from USIT > to USGenNet while USGenWeb went from DSenter to RootsWeb. In the > beginning, there was www.USGenWeb.Com which was hosted on the DSenter > server. Many states were also hosted there, and county sites were > located on a multitude of different servers. The server was owned by > Dale "Doc" Schneider and located in NE, then sent to John Rigdon in GA > for a while, and back to NE. It was supposed to be shipped to ID and > co-located there but crashed. After several weeks of being offline, > Pam Rietsch called Brian Leverich, begging and pleading with him to > make room at RootsWeb for the USGenWeb sites (and domain) that were > knocked offline when the DSenter server crashed. Brian finally > agreed, and the domain and numerous county sites were re-created on > the Rootsweb server. This was early November, 1997. So you see, Brian > saved USGenWeb! Later he sold out! This selling out business also > happened to USIT. It was purchased by others and TNGenWeb got evicted. > There is no way the perpetuity of any server can be guaranteed. > USGenNet could run out of money, RootsWeb could run out of goodwill. > > So it appears to me that "Friends of IAGenWeb" incorporation is one > way to get better control of the server situation for IAGenWeb. I > believe it is called, "thinking ahead." > > Now here is quote from our very own Tennessee George Waller. > Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Vote > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:41:58 -0400 > >>> > This brings us to the "new" information. A few minutes ago a friend > wrote me reminding me that TNGenWeb has been doing about the same (if > not exactly the same) as what IAGenWeb is doing. And, I am a CC in > TNGenWeb so why am I picking on Iowa? <<< > > OK, I suppose we can classify George's statement as dis-information > and put it in the round file where it belongs. Then George writes > this: > > >>> > Fellow S/ACs, > The following is an email I received today which makes me think > twice about what has gone on with KSGenWeb (?), TNGenWeb, > PAGenWeb and IA ... > <snip> > This is my latest thinking. We (the USGWP) should not encourage > states to start their own servers, but if they do so they should take > the strictist care to not mess up on soliciting funds. However.... we > should amend the bylaws to say that CCs/LCs/TCs may NOT solicit funds > for whatever reason; including using their own server. <snip> > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/STATE-COORD/2003-08/1061866125 > <<< > > We could ask of George, why should we discourage the states from > obtaining > their own servers? Since the USGenWeb provides NO server space to the > states, it could be to the XXGenWebs' protection to own their server > or have their domain on dedicated server space. > > And does George really think that each CC will become a nonprofit > corporation and then obtain IRS 501(c)(3) tax exempt status just to > have his own server? Does George have even one iota of an idea as to > the cost of using their own server? > > Regards, > > Fred Smoot > ------------------------------------ > ARTICLE IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS > > Section 2. Solicitation of funds for personal gain is inappropriate. > This is defined as the direct appeal on the home page of any of the > websites comprising The USGenWeb Project for funding to do research, > to pay for server space, to do look-ups, etc. A website may, however, > acknowledge any entities who may host their website (i.e., provide > server space at no cost) or may include a link to a coordinator's > personal page on which they offer research services for reimbursement. > The acknowledgement may include a link to the hosting entity's > website. A website may list research materials and/or services which > may be for sale/hire, either by the coordinator, a genealogy society, > or others. Such a listing shall not be on the main web page for the > site, but may be linked from the main web page. It may be appropriate > to include a disclaimer that the coordinator and The USGenWeb Project > do not guarantee the contents of such research materials and/or the > expertise of any professional researchers. > > > > -This is a USGenNet Safe-Site Mailing List - http://USGenNet.Org/ .

My apologies to the list and the moderator. George On 26 Aug 2003 at 20:35, Tina S Vickery wrote: > Let's keep this discussion to posts that originated on this list. > > Isaiah has left for vacation, and for those of you that follow the > Board-L list you are aware that I am Temporary Chair of the Advisory > Board, and by default, list administrator of STATE-COORD. > > The discussion that has been presented, until the last two posts by > Mr. Waller were well within the realm of discussion for this list. His > forward of Tim's post was inappropriate. Tim is very capable of > speaking for himself, and his moderated status will not be > circumvented. > > George, do not cross-post to this list. Out of context posts do not > serve any purpose. > > > Tina Vickery > Temp Chair, USGenWeb Advisory Board > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Waller" <George@Waller.Org> > To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 7:39 PM > Subject: [STATE-COORD] Re: TN-ALL The Sky is falling! > >

Let's keep this discussion to posts that originated on this list. Isaiah has left for vacation, and for those of you that follow the Board-L list you are aware that I am Temporary Chair of the Advisory Board, and by default, list administrator of STATE-COORD. The discussion that has been presented, until the last two posts by Mr. Waller were well within the realm of discussion for this list. His forward of Tim's post was inappropriate. Tim is very capable of speaking for himself, and his moderated status will not be circumvented. George, do not cross-post to this list. Out of context posts do not serve any purpose. Tina Vickery Temp Chair, USGenWeb Advisory Board ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Waller" <George@Waller.Org> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: [STATE-COORD] Re: TN-ALL The Sky is falling!

Hi Fred, TN-ALL and no BCCs, Fred... you have taken a lot of effort below to attempt to ridicule me. I wish to assure you that I am perfectly capable of doing that myself. It is my opinion that it is not in the best interest of the USGWP for states or LCs to solicit funds to run their USGenWeb projects. I asked the State Coordinators list to respond to this opinion (actually it was Ellen Pack's original opinion). 33 states did not respond, of the 21 people who did respond, about 10 agreed with me and 11 didn't. At this point, it was clear to me that there was little interested in the subject. Stating the obvious, my next opinion was that we should not encourage STATES to solicit funds, and that we should forbid LCs from soliciting funds. The main reason for my opinions is that it is very likely that soliciting funds will end in a bad name for the project. Now Fred, since you had no compunctions about quoting me (cutting and pasting) from another list, you will not mind that I quote your email (in its entirity) to the state coordinator list. Respectfully, George (CC for Lincoln Co TNGenWeb) On 26 Aug 2003 at 16:03, Fred Smoot wrote: > Greetings TN-all and others (BCCed), > > From the Git-Go "Waaaay back" in '96 when all the parts coalesced into > the USGenWeb Project, it was to be non-commercial deal with free > access online genealogical data. > > In '99, the bylaws were passed which included certain prohibitions of > commercialism on our pages. I have copied the pertinent section of the > bylaws way down-under. > > Now comes the punchline: A "Friends of IAGenWeb" has seemingly > incorporated as a nonprofit to eventually pay for server space for > IAGenWeb and for other worthy purposes. This nonprofit corporation is > getting a lot of heat from the naysayers. Some of the complaints are > running from, "not in the best interest of the USGenWeb Project," ... > "a clear conflict of interest," ... to Joy Fisher's smokescreen > remark: "Waaaay back, we had CCs collecting to buy materials such as > microfilm. ... The CCs vanished and so did the money." > > The quotes above are from the August page of the State-Coord list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/STATE-COORD/2003-08 > > It is amazing as why the naysayers are SO opposed to nonprofit > corporations (puts them in a virtual panic it does) but are in a rush > to bundle up with commercial companies without so much as a blink of > an eye. > > Now we know that historically there have server changes, both for > TNGenWeb Project and USGenWeb Project. At TNGenWeb, we went from USIT > to USGenNet while USGenWeb went from DSenter to RootsWeb. In the > beginning, there was www.USGenWeb.Com which was hosted on the DSenter > server. Many states were also hosted there, and county sites were > located on a multitude of different servers. The server was owned by > Dale "Doc" Schneider and located in NE, then sent to John Rigdon in GA > for a while, and back to NE. It was supposed to be shipped to ID and > co-located there but crashed. After several weeks of being offline, > Pam Rietsch called Brian Leverich, begging and pleading with him to > make room at RootsWeb for the USGenWeb sites (and domain) that were > knocked offline when the DSenter server crashed. Brian finally > agreed, and the domain and numerous county sites were re-created on > the Rootsweb server. This was early November, 1997. So you see, Brian > saved USGenWeb! Later he sold out! This selling out business also > happened to USIT. It was purchased by others and TNGenWeb got evicted. > There is no way the perpetuity of any server can be guaranteed. > USGenNet could run out of money, RootsWeb could run out of goodwill. > > So it appears to me that "Friends of IAGenWeb" incorporation is one > way to get better control of the server situation for IAGenWeb. I > believe it is called, "thinking ahead." > > Now here is quote from our very own Tennessee George Waller. > Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Vote > Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 21:41:58 -0400 > >>> > This brings us to the "new" information. A few minutes ago a friend > wrote me reminding me that TNGenWeb has been doing about the same (if > not exactly the same) as what IAGenWeb is doing. And, I am a CC in > TNGenWeb so why am I picking on Iowa? <<< > > OK, I suppose we can classify George's statement as dis-information > and put it in the round file where it belongs. Then George writes > this: > > >>> > Fellow S/ACs, > The following is an email I received today which makes me think > twice about what has gone on with KSGenWeb (?), TNGenWeb, > PAGenWeb and IA ... > <snip> > This is my latest thinking. We (the USGWP) should not encourage > states to start their own servers, but if they do so they should take > the strictist care to not mess up on soliciting funds. However.... we > should amend the bylaws to say that CCs/LCs/TCs may NOT solicit funds > for whatever reason; including using their own server. <snip> > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/STATE-COORD/2003-08/1061866125 > <<< > > We could ask of George, why should we discourage the states from > obtaining > their own servers? Since the USGenWeb provides NO server space to the > states, it could be to the XXGenWebs' protection to own their server > or have their domain on dedicated server space. > > And does George really think that each CC will become a nonprofit > corporation and then obtain IRS 501(c)(3) tax exempt status just to > have his own server? Does George have even one iota of an idea as to > the cost of using their own server? > > Regards, > > Fred Smoot > ------------------------------------ > ARTICLE IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS > > Section 2. Solicitation of funds for personal gain is inappropriate. > This is defined as the direct appeal on the home page of any of the > websites comprising The USGenWeb Project for funding to do research, > to pay for server space, to do look-ups, etc. A website may, however, > acknowledge any entities who may host their website (i.e., provide > server space at no cost) or may include a link to a coordinator's > personal page on which they offer research services for reimbursement. > The acknowledgement may include a link to the hosting entity's > website. A website may list research materials and/or services which > may be for sale/hire, either by the coordinator, a genealogy society, > or others. Such a listing shall not be on the main web page for the > site, but may be linked from the main web page. It may be appropriate > to include a disclaimer that the coordinator and The USGenWeb Project > do not guarantee the contents of such research materials and/or the > expertise of any professional researchers. > > > > -This is a USGenNet Safe-Site Mailing List - http://USGenNet.Org/

I probably shouldn't forward this, but since our NC (congratulations to him) is away from his computer, I will forward this for Tim. George ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net> To: George@Waller.Org Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Unofficial poll requested Date sent: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:37:14 -0400 George, As I am not allowed by the NC to post to the State-Coord list, please feel free to pass this along to said list. I agree with Les and others that the actions of IAGenWeb are not in the best interests of the USGenWeb Project. ------------------------------------------------------via webmail---- Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net ------- End of forwarded message -------

The simple reality is that, while Angie is technically correct, USGWP might have to pay legal fees and costs, which could cost in the thousands (which means that *we* pay or we all lose). Moreover, USGWP would probably lose via a default judgment by not answering. In fact, in a similar situation, I would likely name USGWP because it is unincorporated and does not have the funds to retain counsel. I would be able to obtain a judgment by default, which would allow me to commence collection against the members of the unincorporated association. I am not threatening the same here, but am just giving food for thought. And Joy is absolutely right in her example. In litigation today, you go not only after the actual tortfeasor, but also every party above the tortfeasor in an effort to find a deep pocket. Richard ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Joy Fisher <sdgenweb@yahoo.com> To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: [STATE-COORD] Unofficial poll requested > Sorry: > > If I donated $5000 so IAGenWeb could buy some census > films - and the films were never purchased for > whatever reason, I would sure go after USGW and > whomever else I could to get the goods I paid for or > my money back. > > --- Angie Rayfield <angie@inmyattic.com> wrote: > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > >We are opening up ourselves to liability should > > >someone abscond with the funds. > > > > > > > I'm sorry, but you're wrong. If someone in Friends > > of IAGenWeb > > embezzles funds, the only person liable is the > > person that committed the > > theft. If someone has a complaint against the > > Friends of IAGenWeb, the > > only group responsible *is* the Friends of IAGenWeb. > > It's no different > > than the "Friends of the Library," or "Friends of > > the Zoo," or any > > organization of that sort. > > > > Angie > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > > (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release > > Date: 8/19/2003 > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------- End of Original Message -------

Ok Yank, er half a-- yank, y'all gonna force me to git seros har. Don't think that it is a lack of interest. I think if a definitive survey of USGenWeb Project members is done, many -perhaps a majority - are "professional" genealogists who voluntarily share their efforts with others and often to their own financial discomfort. North Carolina cc's include folks from all walks of life who share a common goal...some who don't think twice about purchasing thousands of dollars worth of equipment and services for their page, and others who depend solely upon a few dollars from their social security or disability check to maintain their page. My opinion is that the USGenWeb bylaws as written accommodate all our interests in that the onus is placed squarely on state and local coordinators to comply with USGenWeb rules and applicable Federal, State, and Local laws. And, the bylaws relegate unrestricted hosting choice to the individual coordinators. Should the USGenWeb Project amend our bylaws to restrict server choices? My opinion is no. For example, I recently fielded a "user" complaint about one of our NC county pages that "cigarette advertisements" - in Tobacco Country no less - on the page. The only way to prevent "pop-up" ads is to purchase web space...since all "free" providers condition their service upon an agreement to advertise in one form or another. Ain't no free lunch! 'Nother complaint received was from a lady raisin' h--- 'cause I didn't post all the county marriage records on the page...since they were in book form. My answer was, that didn't satisfy the lady, was that the book was copyrighted and that no one had volunteered to re-transcribe the records so that they could be legally placed on the page. Didn't tell her, but a "volunteer" would have to purchase the microfilm reel, find a microfilm reader, and scan or transcribe the data at considerable expense. Ending my musings, I don't think we should set about restricting our state and local coordinators any more than we already have. And when suspected violations occur, my opinion is that it is a resolution matter for the AB and not for us to decide. Regards, Paul Buckley, NC ASC p.s. George, fyi. I went off to Eli-noise and married one of them Catholic Yankees from Chicargo. She larned to say y'all after a few years. ----- Original Message ----- From: George Waller <George@Waller.Org> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:48 PM Subject: [STATE-COORD] (Fwd) Re: IAGenWeb > Fellow S/ACs, > The following is an email I received today which makes me think > twice about what has gone on with KSGenWeb (?), TNGenWeb, > PAGenWeb and IAGenWeb. Please read it then I will add some > more comments. > > >George: What this seems to me is all these folks are saying that no > >state can have their own server unless ONE person agrees to pay > >for it. That's a pretty big expense for one person. > > >So that pretty much leaves everyone having to use Rootsweb, > >doesn't it? > > >What Iowa is doing seems to me to be the same thing Rootsweb > >used to do when they asked for donations. I don't see the difference > >here. > > Sounds sensible to me. The results of the straw poll of the past few > days is hard to analyze. A reasonable number of respondents said > that they felt IAGenWeb was not acting in the best interest of > USGWP. But that was before some found out that other states had > already started soliciting money. Another reasonable number of > respondents said they had concerns about putting all our resources > on Rootsweb servers and that soliciting funds should be considered. > > Several mentioned changing the bylaws. > > This is my latest thinking. We (the USGWP) should not encourage > states to start their own servers, but if they do so they should take the > strictist care to not mess up on soliciting funds. However.... we should > amend the bylaws to say that CCs/LCs/TCs may NOT solicit funds for > whatever reason; including using their own server. > > I won't ask a straw poll since the great plurality of SC's and ASC's did > not respond to the last poll which leads me to believe that there is not > a lot of concern about this subject. > > Respectfully, George > >