On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Joy Fisher wrote: > Pam: > > Why can't we make it a contest? There are a lot of > good graphics folks in USGenWeb now. > And then how long do you give states and counties to switch to the new logo? Geez. David > > --- Pam Reid <pamreid@comcast.net> wrote: > > I am sure I could come up with several designs for a > > new logo. I agree with > > Joy on the old official one and the Eagle is no > > longer appropriate really. I > > will work it this week and see what I can come up > > with. > > > > Pam > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joy Fisher [mailto:sdgenweb@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 12:33 PM > > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] National Logo > > > > > > While we are on the subject, can we come up with a > > better logo? > > > > This one looks like someone nuked St. Louis. And it > > will be a long time before we soar into a new > > millenium. > > > > When we voted on the logo, we were all graphically > > challenged and I am sure we can come up with a much > > nicer, more esthetically pleasing design. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > David W. Morgan damorgan@nyx.net Honolulu Hawaii SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm ** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/

>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:02:22 -0600 >X-From_: wildfire@comcast.net Mon Sep 15 13:02:22 2003 >From: "./`./` Mari ./`./`" <wildfire@comcast.net> >To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> >Old-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:02:26 -0500 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 >X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list >Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [STATE-COORD] National Logo >X-Envelope-To: STATE-COORD-L > >When I joined TNGenWeb in 98 I was told the rules and what would happen if I >didn't follow them. I'm now a brand new SC for Tennessee and am trying very >hard to make sure we're "up to code"...(with lots of help) The first thing >I've told the new CCs and some who have forgotten is that you use that >USGenWeb logo on the index.page.. It doesn't take but a few minutes to put >it there and link it. >Mari Byers >Nashville, Tn. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David W. Morgan" <damorgan@nyx.net> >To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 1:25 PM >Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] National Logo > > > > On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 seek4fam@earthlink.net wrote: > > > > > The national website has the following. There are several different > > logos and even holiday logos to choose from. > > > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/namelogo.html > > > > > > I don't know the state, so I don't know the specifics, but I would say > > that "No Logo" and an incorrect or outdated logo isn't exactly the same >issue. > > > > > > Denise > > > > You either enforce the rules or you don't. When I became a member of > > USGenWeb in 1998, I was told to always use USGenWeb, never use GenWeb, > > as GenWeb belonged to someone else. I have enforced that rule since > > becoming an SC. > > > > The official USGenWeb logo was adopted in 1998. The eagle logos were > > approved to be an alternative logo a few years later. When a member > > of the AB does not know there is an official logo or where to find > > them, why are they on the AB? > > > > The state in question uses the old GenWeb spider web logo that > > should have disappeared 5 years ago. This state has had plenty > > of time to get its act together. > > > > If you don't enforce the rules as to the states, then don't expect > > the SCs to enforce any rules they don't particularly care for, either. > > > > As for a new logo, design one and let's vote on it. Again. But I > > think USGenWeb is closely identified with the logo it has been > > using since 1998, and it would be a mistake to change it. > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Phyllis Rippee <wchs@getgoin.net> > > > Sent: Sep 15, 2003 10:49 AM > > > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [STATE-COORD] National Logo > > > > > > At the risk of once again being stamped as "dumb", is there an official > > > national logo? > > > > > > I don't remember how long ago, David told me a certain state did not >have > > > the project logo on its front page. I went to the site and it did have >a > > > USGenWeb logo on it. I just now checked the page again and there is a > > > USGenWeb logo there. > > > > > > It isn't the one that I have on my site. Which is why I ask. > > > > > > Phyllis Rippee > > > SW/SC CC Representative > > > > > > > > > > David W. Morgan damorgan@nyx.net Honolulu Hawaii > > SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ > > FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm > > ** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/ > >

The national website has the following. There are several different logos and even holiday logos to choose from. http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/namelogo.html I don't know the state, so I don't know the specifics, but I would say that "No Logo" and an incorrect or outdated logo isn't exactly the same issue. Denise -----Original Message----- From: Phyllis Rippee <wchs@getgoin.net> Sent: Sep 15, 2003 10:49 AM To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [STATE-COORD] National Logo At the risk of once again being stamped as "dumb", is there an official national logo? I don't remember how long ago, David told me a certain state did not have the project logo on its front page. I went to the site and it did have a USGenWeb logo on it. I just now checked the page again and there is a USGenWeb logo there. It isn't the one that I have on my site. Which is why I ask. Phyllis Rippee SW/SC CC Representative

http://www.usgenweb.net/volunteers/namelogo.html Phyllis Rippee wrote: > At the risk of once again being stamped as "dumb", is there an official > national logo? > > Phyllis Rippee > SW/SC CC Representative Richard M. Howland Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 898319

At the risk of once again being stamped as "dumb", is there an official national logo? I don't remember how long ago, David told me a certain state did not have the project logo on its front page. I went to the site and it did have a USGenWeb logo on it. I just now checked the page again and there is a USGenWeb logo there. It isn't the one that I have on my site. Which is why I ask. Phyllis Rippee SW/SC CC Representative

While we are on the subject, can we come up with a better logo? This one looks like someone nuked St. Louis. And it will be a long time before we soar into a new millenium. When we voted on the logo, we were all graphically challenged and I am sure we can come up with a much nicer, more esthetically pleasing design. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

All the states you mention have the official USGenWeb logo on its main page except for Hawaii. The twin territories is a part of OKGenWeb. The USGenWeb logo is at the top of the page for Delaware. The URL on www.usgenweb.org does need to be changed to the new site. Anyway, they were there just a minute ago when I looked. David On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Phyllis Rippee wrote: > No, I did not know there were official logos, because I inherited my site > and used the logo then in place. Two, I'm not a member of the site > police.....if such an organization exists it must be a Black Ops situation. > Three, I keep my nose in my own county and State, unless a problem is > brought to the Advisory Board's attention. Which this one has yet to be > done properly. > > Now, I guess that the situation becomes what is the definition of > "prominent." But, for the SCs info: > > Hawaii has a very small USGenWeb logo on the page you are taken to from the > USGenWeb Project list of States. I cannot see it well enough to know what > it's design is. > > The Twin-Territories do not have the Project logo, OR it did not come up for > me and I did wait quite awhile. > > Oklahoma trapped me and the only way I knew I could get out of there was to > go back home first, but the logo was there. > > Alabama kept shutting me down....back to my main screen, so I didn't have to > re-boot the computer, just had to log back onto the 'net. Finally, I got > through and the logo is there. > > And, to see if any of you are as old as I am, or used the same song book in > music class: The State that does not have the logo on the page you are > taken to from the Project list, is the answer to this question: "What did > Delaware?" > > Phyllis > > > David W. Morgan dmorgan@efn.org Honolulu Hawaii SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm ** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 seek4fam@earthlink.net wrote: > The national website has the following. There are several different logos and even holiday logos to choose from. > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/namelogo.html > > I don't know the state, so I don't know the specifics, but I would say that "No Logo" and an incorrect or outdated logo isn't exactly the same issue. > > Denise You either enforce the rules or you don't. When I became a member of USGenWeb in 1998, I was told to always use USGenWeb, never use GenWeb, as GenWeb belonged to someone else. I have enforced that rule since becoming an SC. The official USGenWeb logo was adopted in 1998. The eagle logos were approved to be an alternative logo a few years later. When a member of the AB does not know there is an official logo or where to find them, why are they on the AB? The state in question uses the old GenWeb spider web logo that should have disappeared 5 years ago. This state has had plenty of time to get its act together. If you don't enforce the rules as to the states, then don't expect the SCs to enforce any rules they don't particularly care for, either. As for a new logo, design one and let's vote on it. Again. But I think USGenWeb is closely identified with the logo it has been using since 1998, and it would be a mistake to change it. David > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phyllis Rippee <wchs@getgoin.net> > Sent: Sep 15, 2003 10:49 AM > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [STATE-COORD] National Logo > > At the risk of once again being stamped as "dumb", is there an official > national logo? > > I don't remember how long ago, David told me a certain state did not have > the project logo on its front page. I went to the site and it did have a > USGenWeb logo on it. I just now checked the page again and there is a > USGenWeb logo there. > > It isn't the one that I have on my site. Which is why I ask. > > Phyllis Rippee > SW/SC CC Representative > > David W. Morgan damorgan@nyx.net Honolulu Hawaii SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm ** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/

form letter snipped: > If this issue has not been resolved in a week, you will be removed as County > Coordinator and the site will be placed for adoption. You can still run the > site, but you will be requireed to remove any mention of USGenWeb or > XXGenWeb and you will need to find another host if you are using Rootsweb. > All connections to USGenWeb and XXGenWeb must be cut. Not to nitpick, but the RootsWeb Agreement <http://accounts.rootsweb.com/index.cgi?op=show&page=geoagree.htm> clearly states in point 7 that a webmaster who leaves a project may continue to host a site there as long as logos are removed. Just to avoid embarrassment later on... Bob Sullivan NY SC

Aha! So you are correct sir. Thanks for correcting me! > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Sullivan [mailto:rsullivan@sals.edu] > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 7:08 PM > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] What rules to enforce? > > > form letter snipped: > > > If this issue has not been resolved in a week, you will be removed as > County > > Coordinator and the site will be placed for adoption. You can still > run the > > site, but you will be requireed to remove any mention of USGenWeb or > > XXGenWeb and you will need to find another host if you are using > Rootsweb. > > All connections to USGenWeb and XXGenWeb must be cut. > > Not to nitpick, but the RootsWeb Agreement > > <http://accounts.rootsweb.com/index.cgi?op=show&page=geoagree.htm> > > clearly states in point 7 that a webmaster who leaves a project may > continue to host a site there as long as logos are removed. > > Just to avoid embarrassment later on... > > Bob Sullivan > NY SC > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003

Well then... somebody isn't reviewing well if there is a state out there who doesn't have the USGenWeb logo. David has been trying very hard to get all of the Texas sites in compliance, but there are some coordinators who refuse to budge and he hasn't really had anything to back him up. (Texas probably isn't the only county.) Texas reviews its sites once a month to ensure that problems don't crop up and are dealt with, but without the backup, it has been pretty hard to get some of these people to follow laws and others are really complaining that we single them out. (Even though we specifically state that they have to follow the USGenWeb County Requirements on our website and when they adopt a site.) I suggest that the By-Laws committee create a form letter that can be easily editted for the SCs to send to counties that are not compliant. Maybe something along the lines of: "Dear Coordinator, It has come to our attention that your website, County XXGenWeb, is not compliant with USGenWeb and/or XXGenWeb requirements. Problem: <insert issue here> We would like to see this solved within one week of the date of this letter. If you require assistance, please contact your State Coordinator. We have many volunteers who would be happy to help if you are lacking time or resources to fix the problem. If this issue has not been resolved in a week, you will be removed as County Coordinator and the site will be placed for adoption. You can still run the site, but you will be requireed to remove any mention of USGenWeb or XXGenWeb and you will need to find another host if you are using Rootsweb. All connections to USGenWeb and XXGenWeb must be cut. If there is a family emergency and you need more time, please let us know. We realize that you may have personal issues that may result in a lack of time on your part. However, be aware that we will assign a volunteer to help you if you are asking for longer than a month. Please do not read this letter as a reprimand against you. We truly do not wish to have to take any action against you. You and your volunteer work have been an asset to USGenWeb and we would like to see this resolved as easily as possible and keep you on as coordinator. Let me know if you have any questions. Sincerely, <insert XXGenWeb SC here> on behalf of <insert USGenWeb contact here>" > -----Original Message----- > From: Gail Meyer Kilgore [mailto:gkilgore@globalcrossing.net] > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 5:28 PM > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] What rules to enforce? > > > Section 1. All websites shall include prominent display of The > USGenWeb Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be > required depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that > state. > > This answers one of your questions. ALL WEBSITES and if you are > the SC and > this is not being done in your state give them several warnings > or a certain > amount of time to comply with the by-laws and if they don't > delink the site. > > The same with advertising something for sale on their main page.. > that is a > BIG no no and they can do it on a secondary page and if they > don't comply.. > delink them. > > If you let them get away with it, they will only continue to do as they > please and laugh at you. You, if you are the SC, have to have your county > sites in compliance with the by-laws of the USGenWeb as well as your own > state guidelines. The is what the review process is all about. > If you hold > bi-annual reviews and have guidelines in place as well as the USGenWeb > by-laws a review of county sites is easy. > > Gail > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David W. Morgan" <damorgan@nyx.net> > To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 1:22 PM > Subject: [STATE-COORD] What rules to enforce? > > > > > > If someone refuses to put the USGenWeb logo on their main page for their > > county, do you de-link them? > > > > What if it is a state XXGenWeb project that refuses to put the USGenWeb > > logo on the main page? Do you de-link it? > > > > How does the SC enforce the rules of the USGenWeb project in his/her > > state when the AB (or whoever) doesn't require all the XXGenWeb state > > projects to follow the rules? > > > > In case you are wondering, yes there is one state project that has > > never added the USGenWeb logo to its page, and the logo was adopted > > in 1998. That is five years. > > > > My purpose for posting this message is not to pick on one state. I have > > memtioned this to more than one AB member over the years, and nothing > > ever gets changed. I am just wondering which rules are the important > > ones to enforce. > > > > I have one county in Texas that is selling books from the local > > genealogical society on its main page. This is a long-time CC, and > > previous SCs encouraged the genealogical societies to adopt TXGenWeb > > pages. So some of the societies believe they own the county pages, > > and can control what goes on the web site and who the CC is. > > > > I have asked the CC to move the books for sale off the main page, > > onto a secondary page. He likes it the way it is and will not move > > them. > > > > I can de-link the county, but I would rather not do that. I also > > am not going to declare anybody MNIGS in Texas. If I have to de-link, > > then they are not a member, good standing or not. > > > > So, what rules do we enforce? > > > > David > > > > ARTICLE VI: DUTIES/QUALIFICATIONS OF ADVISORY BOARD > > > > (SNIP) > > > > Section 5. The Advisory Board shall also have the responsibility to > > remove links from the national website, as appropriate, to websites > > which fail to meet the established guidelines/standards for The > > USGenWeb Project or to websites which display inappropriate content. > > Coordinators of any websites found to be in non-compliance shall be > > notified of such and shall be given a period of two (2) > weeks in which > > to bring their website into compliance. The two-week time limit shall > > be flexible based on justifiable reasons presented by the website > > coordinator. > > > > > > ARTICLE IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS > > > > Section 1. All websites shall include prominent display of The > > USGenWeb Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be > > required depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that > > state. > > > > Section 2. Solicitation of funds for personal gain is inappropriate. > > This is defined as the direct appeal on the home page of any of the > > websites comprising The USGenWeb Project for funding to do research, > > to pay for server space, to do look-ups, etc. A website may, however, > > acknowledge any entities who may host their website (i.e., provide > > server space at no cost) or may include a link to a coordinator's > > personal page on which they offer research services for > reimbursement. > > The acknowledgement may include a link to the hosting entity's > > website. A website may list research materials and/or services which > > may be for sale/hire, either by the coordinator, a genealogy society, > > or others. Such a listing shall not be on the main web page for the > > site, but may be linked from the main web page. It may be appropriate > > to include a disclaimer that the coordinator and The USGenWeb Project > > do not guarantee the contents of such research materials and/or the > > expertise of any professional researchers. > > > > > > David W. Morgan damorgan@nyx.net Honolulu Hawaii > > SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ > > FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm > > ** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/ > > > > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/03 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003

We have that question on our review form when the reviewer views the pages and it is mandatory that the state and national logo's be presented on our state county pages at the top of the pages. They have to been seen when the page is opened up. If they fail to comply, their site fails the review. They are sent a notice of the review, why they failed and given a certain amount of time to comply, we usually give two weeks. If they refuse to budge, the alternative is to remove them from the web page. It doesn't look good when several counties don't comply and get away with it and then other counties comply when they may not want to so they think they can eliminate the logo's or put them at the bottom of their pages. If you have a record of how many times that county has failed, present that and tell the coordinator that unless they comply in the designated time, they will be removed as CC for that county and the county will be put up for adoption. If they still think they are holding the high cards and refuse to budge.. bye-bye-- and find someone who will comply with all the requirements of the USGenWeb. Actually, this is something that has to be handled with in the state and I don't believe the AB would step in on this case. As SC of the state, you control your state and you have to enforce the by-laws. Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimm Antell" <kantell@austin.rr.com> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 3:45 PM Subject: RE: [STATE-COORD] What rules to enforce? > Well then... somebody isn't reviewing well if there is a state out there who > doesn't have the USGenWeb logo. > > David has been trying very hard to get all of the Texas sites in compliance, > but there are some coordinators who refuse to budge and he hasn't really had > anything to back him up. (Texas probably isn't the only county.) Texas > reviews its sites once a month to ensure that problems don't crop up and are > dealt with, but without the backup, it has been pretty hard to get some of > these people to follow laws and others are really complaining that we single > them out. (Even though we specifically state that they have to follow the > USGenWeb County Requirements on our website and when they adopt a site.) > > I suggest that the By-Laws committee create a form letter that can be easily > editted for the SCs to send to counties that are not compliant. Maybe > something along the lines of: > > "Dear Coordinator, > > It has come to our attention that your website, County XXGenWeb, is not > compliant with USGenWeb and/or XXGenWeb requirements. > > Problem: <insert issue here> > > We would like to see this solved within one week of the date of this letter. > If you require assistance, please contact your State Coordinator. We have > many volunteers who would be happy to help if you are lacking time or > resources to fix the problem. > > If this issue has not been resolved in a week, you will be removed as County > Coordinator and the site will be placed for adoption. You can still run the > site, but you will be requireed to remove any mention of USGenWeb or > XXGenWeb and you will need to find another host if you are using Rootsweb. > All connections to USGenWeb and XXGenWeb must be cut. > > If there is a family emergency and you need more time, please let us know. > We realize that you may have personal issues that may result in a lack of > time on your part. However, be aware that we will assign a volunteer to > help you if you are asking for longer than a month. > > Please do not read this letter as a reprimand against you. We truly do not > wish to have to take any action against you. You and your volunteer work > have been an asset to USGenWeb and we would like to see this resolved as > easily as possible and keep you on as coordinator. > > Let me know if you have any questions. > > Sincerely, > <insert XXGenWeb SC here> > on behalf of > <insert USGenWeb contact here>" > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gail Meyer Kilgore [mailto:gkilgore@globalcrossing.net] > > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 5:28 PM > > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] What rules to enforce? > > > > > > Section 1. All websites shall include prominent display of The > > USGenWeb Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be > > required depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that > > state. > > > > This answers one of your questions. ALL WEBSITES and if you are > > the SC and > > this is not being done in your state give them several warnings > > or a certain > > amount of time to comply with the by-laws and if they don't > > delink the site. > > > > The same with advertising something for sale on their main page.. > > that is a > > BIG no no and they can do it on a secondary page and if they > > don't comply.. > > delink them. > > > > If you let them get away with it, they will only continue to do as they > > please and laugh at you. You, if you are the SC, have to have your county > > sites in compliance with the by-laws of the USGenWeb as well as your own > > state guidelines. The is what the review process is all about. > > If you hold > > bi-annual reviews and have guidelines in place as well as the USGenWeb > > by-laws a review of county sites is easy. > > > > Gail > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David W. Morgan" <damorgan@nyx.net> > > To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 1:22 PM > > Subject: [STATE-COORD] What rules to enforce? > > > > > > > > > > If someone refuses to put the USGenWeb logo on their main page for their > > > county, do you de-link them? > > > > > > What if it is a state XXGenWeb project that refuses to put the USGenWeb > > > logo on the main page? Do you de-link it? > > > > > > How does the SC enforce the rules of the USGenWeb project in his/her > > > state when the AB (or whoever) doesn't require all the XXGenWeb state > > > projects to follow the rules? > > > > > > In case you are wondering, yes there is one state project that has > > > never added the USGenWeb logo to its page, and the logo was adopted > > > in 1998. That is five years. > > > > > > My purpose for posting this message is not to pick on one state. I have > > > memtioned this to more than one AB member over the years, and nothing > > > ever gets changed. I am just wondering which rules are the important > > > ones to enforce. > > > > > > I have one county in Texas that is selling books from the local > > > genealogical society on its main page. This is a long-time CC, and > > > previous SCs encouraged the genealogical societies to adopt TXGenWeb > > > pages. So some of the societies believe they own the county pages, > > > and can control what goes on the web site and who the CC is. > > > > > > I have asked the CC to move the books for sale off the main page, > > > onto a secondary page. He likes it the way it is and will not move > > > them. > > > > > > I can de-link the county, but I would rather not do that. I also > > > am not going to declare anybody MNIGS in Texas. If I have to de-link, > > > then they are not a member, good standing or not. > > > > > > So, what rules do we enforce? > > > > > > David > > > > > > ARTICLE VI: DUTIES/QUALIFICATIONS OF ADVISORY BOARD > > > > > > (SNIP) > > > > > > Section 5. The Advisory Board shall also have the responsibility to > > > remove links from the national website, as appropriate, to websites > > > which fail to meet the established guidelines/standards for The > > > USGenWeb Project or to websites which display inappropriate content. > > > Coordinators of any websites found to be in non-compliance shall be > > > notified of such and shall be given a period of two (2) > > weeks in which > > > to bring their website into compliance. The two-week time limit shall > > > be flexible based on justifiable reasons presented by the website > > > coordinator. > > > > > > > > > ARTICLE IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS > > > > > > Section 1. All websites shall include prominent display of The > > > USGenWeb Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be > > > required depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that > > > state. > > > > > > Section 2. Solicitation of funds for personal gain is inappropriate. > > > This is defined as the direct appeal on the home page of any of the > > > websites comprising The USGenWeb Project for funding to do research, > > > to pay for server space, to do look-ups, etc. A website may, however, > > > acknowledge any entities who may host their website (i.e., provide > > > server space at no cost) or may include a link to a coordinator's > > > personal page on which they offer research services for > > reimbursement. > > > The acknowledgement may include a link to the hosting entity's > > > website. A website may list research materials and/or services which > > > may be for sale/hire, either by the coordinator, a genealogy society, > > > or others. Such a listing shall not be on the main web page for the > > > site, but may be linked from the main web page. It may be appropriate > > > to include a disclaimer that the coordinator and The USGenWeb Project > > > do not guarantee the contents of such research materials and/or the > > > expertise of any professional researchers. > > > > > > > > > David W. Morgan damorgan@nyx.net Honolulu Hawaii > > > SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ > > > FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm > > > ** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/03 > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003 > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Section 1. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be required depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. This answers one of your questions. ALL WEBSITES and if you are the SC and this is not being done in your state give them several warnings or a certain amount of time to comply with the by-laws and if they don't delink the site. The same with advertising something for sale on their main page.. that is a BIG no no and they can do it on a secondary page and if they don't comply.. delink them. If you let them get away with it, they will only continue to do as they please and laugh at you. You, if you are the SC, have to have your county sites in compliance with the by-laws of the USGenWeb as well as your own state guidelines. The is what the review process is all about. If you hold bi-annual reviews and have guidelines in place as well as the USGenWeb by-laws a review of county sites is easy. Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Morgan" <damorgan@nyx.net> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 1:22 PM Subject: [STATE-COORD] What rules to enforce? > > If someone refuses to put the USGenWeb logo on their main page for their > county, do you de-link them? > > What if it is a state XXGenWeb project that refuses to put the USGenWeb > logo on the main page? Do you de-link it? > > How does the SC enforce the rules of the USGenWeb project in his/her > state when the AB (or whoever) doesn't require all the XXGenWeb state > projects to follow the rules? > > In case you are wondering, yes there is one state project that has > never added the USGenWeb logo to its page, and the logo was adopted > in 1998. That is five years. > > My purpose for posting this message is not to pick on one state. I have > memtioned this to more than one AB member over the years, and nothing > ever gets changed. I am just wondering which rules are the important > ones to enforce. > > I have one county in Texas that is selling books from the local > genealogical society on its main page. This is a long-time CC, and > previous SCs encouraged the genealogical societies to adopt TXGenWeb > pages. So some of the societies believe they own the county pages, > and can control what goes on the web site and who the CC is. > > I have asked the CC to move the books for sale off the main page, > onto a secondary page. He likes it the way it is and will not move > them. > > I can de-link the county, but I would rather not do that. I also > am not going to declare anybody MNIGS in Texas. If I have to de-link, > then they are not a member, good standing or not. > > So, what rules do we enforce? > > David > > ARTICLE VI: DUTIES/QUALIFICATIONS OF ADVISORY BOARD > > (SNIP) > > Section 5. The Advisory Board shall also have the responsibility to > remove links from the national website, as appropriate, to websites > which fail to meet the established guidelines/standards for The > USGenWeb Project or to websites which display inappropriate content. > Coordinators of any websites found to be in non-compliance shall be > notified of such and shall be given a period of two (2) weeks in which > to bring their website into compliance. The two-week time limit shall > be flexible based on justifiable reasons presented by the website > coordinator. > > > ARTICLE IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS > > Section 1. All websites shall include prominent display of The > USGenWeb Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be > required depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that > state. > > Section 2. Solicitation of funds for personal gain is inappropriate. > This is defined as the direct appeal on the home page of any of the > websites comprising The USGenWeb Project for funding to do research, > to pay for server space, to do look-ups, etc. A website may, however, > acknowledge any entities who may host their website (i.e., provide > server space at no cost) or may include a link to a coordinator's > personal page on which they offer research services for reimbursement. > The acknowledgement may include a link to the hosting entity's > website. A website may list research materials and/or services which > may be for sale/hire, either by the coordinator, a genealogy society, > or others. Such a listing shall not be on the main web page for the > site, but may be linked from the main web page. It may be appropriate > to include a disclaimer that the coordinator and The USGenWeb Project > do not guarantee the contents of such research materials and/or the > expertise of any professional researchers. > > > David W. Morgan damorgan@nyx.net Honolulu Hawaii > SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ > FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm > ** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/ > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/03

Thanks, Gail. I realize that it is my decision to make. When I became the SC, there were 8 counties that did not have the USGenWeb logo on them, and some more states that did not have the current TXGenWeb logo on them. All the counties are in compliance with those rules now, though I did lose two long-time CCs, that were here before the bylaws or the logos, and before I was here. Then when the GenConnect boards went dead, I had about 14 counties that I needed to coax into changing their URLs so that they had a way to handle queries on their counties. I am just getting around to the books for sale on the main page thingy. I notice that you did not answer the problem with the state XXGenWeb page not having the USGenWeb logo on it. That is surely a problem for the advisory board, I would think. And you are on the AB. David On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Gail Meyer Kilgore wrote: > We have that question on our review form when the reviewer views the pages > and it is mandatory that the state and national logo's be presented on our > state county pages at the top of the pages. They have to been seen when the > page is opened up. If they fail to comply, their site fails the review. > They are sent a notice of the review, why they failed and given a certain > amount of time to comply, we usually give two weeks. If they refuse to > budge, the alternative is to remove them from the web page. It doesn't look > good when several counties don't comply and get away with it and then other > counties comply when they may not want to so they think they can eliminate > the logo's or put them at the bottom of their pages. If you have a record > of how many times that county has failed, present that and tell the > coordinator that unless they comply in the designated time, they will be > removed as CC for that county and the county will be put up for adoption. > If they still think they are holding the high cards and refuse to budge.. > bye-bye-- and find someone who will comply with all the requirements of the > USGenWeb. > > Actually, this is something that has to be handled with in the state and I > don't believe the AB would step in on this case. As SC of the state, you > control your state and you have to enforce the by-laws. > > Gail > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kimm Antell" <kantell@austin.rr.com> > To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 3:45 PM > Subject: RE: [STATE-COORD] What rules to enforce? > > > > Well then... somebody isn't reviewing well if there is a state out there > who > > doesn't have the USGenWeb logo. > > > > David has been trying very hard to get all of the Texas sites in > compliance, > > but there are some coordinators who refuse to budge and he hasn't really > had > > anything to back him up. (Texas probably isn't the only county.) Texas > > reviews its sites once a month to ensure that problems don't crop up and > are > > dealt with, but without the backup, it has been pretty hard to get some of > > these people to follow laws and others are really complaining that we > single > > them out. (Even though we specifically state that they have to follow the > > USGenWeb County Requirements on our website and when they adopt a site.) > > > > I suggest that the By-Laws committee create a form letter that can be > easily > > editted for the SCs to send to counties that are not compliant. Maybe > > something along the lines of: > > > > "Dear Coordinator, > > > > It has come to our attention that your website, County XXGenWeb, is not > > compliant with USGenWeb and/or XXGenWeb requirements. > > > > Problem: <insert issue here> > > > > We would like to see this solved within one week of the date of this > letter. > > If you require assistance, please contact your State Coordinator. We have > > many volunteers who would be happy to help if you are lacking time or > > resources to fix the problem. > > > > If this issue has not been resolved in a week, you will be removed as > County > > Coordinator and the site will be placed for adoption. You can still run > the > > site, but you will be requireed to remove any mention of USGenWeb or > > XXGenWeb and you will need to find another host if you are using Rootsweb. > > All connections to USGenWeb and XXGenWeb must be cut. > > > > If there is a family emergency and you need more time, please let us know. > > We realize that you may have personal issues that may result in a lack of > > time on your part. However, be aware that we will assign a volunteer to > > help you if you are asking for longer than a month. > > > > Please do not read this letter as a reprimand against you. We truly do > not > > wish to have to take any action against you. You and your volunteer work > > have been an asset to USGenWeb and we would like to see this resolved as > > easily as possible and keep you on as coordinator. > > > > Let me know if you have any questions. > > > > Sincerely, > > <insert XXGenWeb SC here> > > on behalf of > > <insert USGenWeb contact here>" > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Gail Meyer Kilgore [mailto:gkilgore@globalcrossing.net] > > > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 5:28 PM > > > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] What rules to enforce? > > > > > > > > > Section 1. All websites shall include prominent display of The > > > USGenWeb Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be > > > required depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that > > > state. > > > > > > This answers one of your questions. ALL WEBSITES and if you are > > > the SC and > > > this is not being done in your state give them several warnings > > > or a certain > > > amount of time to comply with the by-laws and if they don't > > > delink the site. > > > > > > The same with advertising something for sale on their main page.. > > > that is a > > > BIG no no and they can do it on a secondary page and if they > > > don't comply.. > > > delink them. > > > > > > If you let them get away with it, they will only continue to do as they > > > please and laugh at you. You, if you are the SC, have to have your > county > > > sites in compliance with the by-laws of the USGenWeb as well as your own > > > state guidelines. The is what the review process is all about. > > > If you hold > > > bi-annual reviews and have guidelines in place as well as the USGenWeb > > > by-laws a review of county sites is easy. > > > > > > Gail > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "David W. Morgan" <damorgan@nyx.net> > > > To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 1:22 PM > > > Subject: [STATE-COORD] What rules to enforce? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If someone refuses to put the USGenWeb logo on their main page for > their > > > > county, do you de-link them? > > > > > > > > What if it is a state XXGenWeb project that refuses to put the > USGenWeb > > > > logo on the main page? Do you de-link it? > > > > > > > > How does the SC enforce the rules of the USGenWeb project in his/her > > > > state when the AB (or whoever) doesn't require all the XXGenWeb state > > > > projects to follow the rules? > > > > > > > > In case you are wondering, yes there is one state project that has > > > > never added the USGenWeb logo to its page, and the logo was adopted > > > > in 1998. That is five years. > > > > > > > > My purpose for posting this message is not to pick on one state. I > have > > > > memtioned this to more than one AB member over the years, and nothing > > > > ever gets changed. I am just wondering which rules are the important > > > > ones to enforce. > > > > > > > > I have one county in Texas that is selling books from the local > > > > genealogical society on its main page. This is a long-time CC, and > > > > previous SCs encouraged the genealogical societies to adopt TXGenWeb > > > > pages. So some of the societies believe they own the county pages, > > > > and can control what goes on the web site and who the CC is. > > > > > > > > I have asked the CC to move the books for sale off the main page, > > > > onto a secondary page. He likes it the way it is and will not move > > > > them. > > > > > > > > I can de-link the county, but I would rather not do that. I also > > > > am not going to declare anybody MNIGS in Texas. If I have to de-link, > > > > then they are not a member, good standing or not. > > > > > > > > So, what rules do we enforce? > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > ARTICLE VI: DUTIES/QUALIFICATIONS OF ADVISORY BOARD > > > > > > > > (SNIP) > > > > > > > > Section 5. The Advisory Board shall also have the responsibility > to > > > > remove links from the national website, as appropriate, to > websites > > > > which fail to meet the established guidelines/standards for The > > > > USGenWeb Project or to websites which display inappropriate > content. > > > > Coordinators of any websites found to be in non-compliance shall > be > > > > notified of such and shall be given a period of two (2) > > > weeks in which > > > > to bring their website into compliance. The two-week time limit > shall > > > > be flexible based on justifiable reasons presented by the website > > > > coordinator. > > > > > > > > > > > > ARTICLE IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS > > > > > > > > Section 1. All websites shall include prominent display of The > > > > USGenWeb Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may > be > > > > required depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that > > > > state. > > > > > > > > Section 2. Solicitation of funds for personal gain is > inappropriate. > > > > This is defined as the direct appeal on the home page of any of > the > > > > websites comprising The USGenWeb Project for funding to do > research, > > > > to pay for server space, to do look-ups, etc. A website may, > however, > > > > acknowledge any entities who may host their website (i.e., > provide > > > > server space at no cost) or may include a link to a coordinator's > > > > personal page on which they offer research services for > > > reimbursement. > > > > The acknowledgement may include a link to the hosting entity's > > > > website. A website may list research materials and/or services > which > > > > may be for sale/hire, either by the coordinator, a genealogy > society, > > > > or others. Such a listing shall not be on the main web page for > the > > > > site, but may be linked from the main web page. It may be > appropriate > > > > to include a disclaimer that the coordinator and The USGenWeb > Project > > > > do not guarantee the contents of such research materials and/or > the > > > > expertise of any professional researchers. > > > > > > > > > > > > David W. Morgan damorgan@nyx.net Honolulu Hawaii > > > > SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ > > > > FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm > > > > ** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/03 > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003 > > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/03 > David W. Morgan damorgan@nyx.net Honolulu Hawaii SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm ** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/

If someone refuses to put the USGenWeb logo on their main page for their county, do you de-link them? What if it is a state XXGenWeb project that refuses to put the USGenWeb logo on the main page? Do you de-link it? How does the SC enforce the rules of the USGenWeb project in his/her state when the AB (or whoever) doesn't require all the XXGenWeb state projects to follow the rules? In case you are wondering, yes there is one state project that has never added the USGenWeb logo to its page, and the logo was adopted in 1998. That is five years. My purpose for posting this message is not to pick on one state. I have memtioned this to more than one AB member over the years, and nothing ever gets changed. I am just wondering which rules are the important ones to enforce. I have one county in Texas that is selling books from the local genealogical society on its main page. This is a long-time CC, and previous SCs encouraged the genealogical societies to adopt TXGenWeb pages. So some of the societies believe they own the county pages, and can control what goes on the web site and who the CC is. I have asked the CC to move the books for sale off the main page, onto a secondary page. He likes it the way it is and will not move them. I can de-link the county, but I would rather not do that. I also am not going to declare anybody MNIGS in Texas. If I have to de-link, then they are not a member, good standing or not. So, what rules do we enforce? David ARTICLE VI: DUTIES/QUALIFICATIONS OF ADVISORY BOARD (SNIP) Section 5. The Advisory Board shall also have the responsibility to remove links from the national website, as appropriate, to websites which fail to meet the established guidelines/standards for The USGenWeb Project or to websites which display inappropriate content. Coordinators of any websites found to be in non-compliance shall be notified of such and shall be given a period of two (2) weeks in which to bring their website into compliance. The two-week time limit shall be flexible based on justifiable reasons presented by the website coordinator. ARTICLE IX. GUIDELINES/STANDARDS FOR WEBSITES/MEMBERS Section 1. All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb Project logo on the home page. A state project logo may be required depending on the guidelines/standards in effect for that state. Section 2. Solicitation of funds for personal gain is inappropriate. This is defined as the direct appeal on the home page of any of the websites comprising The USGenWeb Project for funding to do research, to pay for server space, to do look-ups, etc. A website may, however, acknowledge any entities who may host their website (i.e., provide server space at no cost) or may include a link to a coordinator's personal page on which they offer research services for reimbursement. The acknowledgement may include a link to the hosting entity's website. A website may list research materials and/or services which may be for sale/hire, either by the coordinator, a genealogy society, or others. Such a listing shall not be on the main web page for the site, but may be linked from the main web page. It may be appropriate to include a disclaimer that the coordinator and The USGenWeb Project do not guarantee the contents of such research materials and/or the expertise of any professional researchers. David W. Morgan damorgan@nyx.net Honolulu Hawaii SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm ** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/

*Please forward to all USGenWeb members, and appropriate lists.* To all USGenWeb Project members: The USGenWeb Election Committee is seeking a volunteer who would like to serve on the Election Committee. The following position is available: Archives - Term: January 1, 2003-Dec 31, 2005 Responsibilities include being responsive to Email, developing a working relationship with Archives leadership and members to maintain current voter lists, and assisting in polls, and the annual National election. Volunteers will have the satisfaction of working with an excellent and dedicated group of volunteers to handle a difficult but important and rewarding responsibility in seeing that your fellow members have an opportunity to vote. More information about the EC is available at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwelections/ Per Election Committee Procedures, volunteers are subject to confirmation by the USGenWeb Advisory Board. If interested, please send a note to Ellen Pack <e.j.pack@natchezbelle.org> with the subject line, "Volunteer for EC." Please include a list of all your positions within the project. Thank you for your time, and please consider volunteering! USGenWeb Election Committee

Please use seek4fam@earthlink.net for me. Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Pam Reid <pamreid@comcast.net> Sent: Sep 1, 2003 7:54 PM To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [STATE-COORD] Email addresses needed. I just updated the Who's Who page for the AB and I am missing email addresses for the following new members: Northeast/North Central Region CC Rep-Teri Brown Southeast/Mid-Atlantic Region CC Reps -Denise Woodside and Linda Blum-Barton. If the SCs could send them along, it would be a great help. Thanks, Pam

Hi Shari, My information is correct but could you update Marcia Ann Kuehl to maktranscriber@yahoo.com Thanks, Tina Vickery SC WIGenWeb Project ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 7:01 PM Subject: SC/ASC national list (was RE: [STATE-COORD] Texas ASCs) > Hi David and everyone, > > As the new RAL, I'm minding the list until Isaiah gets back from his > vacation. Thanks for the info about Kimm . . . I was trying to clean up > the subscriber list and, yes, I had used the "Who's Who" list on the > national web site to verify ASCs. I have just resubscribed Kimm. > > I have access to the national site and I will update the SC/ASC list > there with the information you gave. > > While I'm at it, could each of you please take a look at the "Who's Who" > SC/ASC list (http://www.usgenweb.org/about/whoswhocoord.html) and check > the information on your state for accuracy (names and email addresses)? > Let me know of any needed changes and I'll take care of it. I know that > Pam won't mind a little helping hand. > > Shari Handley > > [-----Original Message----- > [From: David W. Morgan [mailto:damorgan@nyx.net] > [Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 3:01 AM > [To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > [Subject: [STATE-COORD] Texas ASCs > [ > [ > [ > [Who is is running the state-coord list now? > [ > [Would you please subscribe Kimm Antell, kantell@austin.rr.com > [back to the list? > [ > [Kimm is an assistant state coordinator for Texas, along with > [Bettie Wood and Shirley Cullum. > [ > [If you unsubscribed her when you didn't find her on the national web > [page, I have requested three time since July that Kimm be added as > [an ASC for Texas, to absolutley no effect. > [ > [Does it have anything to do with the automatic reply that Kimm > [is sending out? I don't care much for that either. > [ > [David > [ > [David W. Morgan damorgan@nyx.net Honolulu Hawaii > [SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ > [FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm > [** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/ > >

Boy, am I one of the guilty ones about checking the page... Janine and I got reversed. Thank you all for the good work you are doing on keeping the country up-to-date. Jan Bony jbony@ochoco.com Oregon GenWeb Coordinator: http://www.rootsweb.com/~orgenweb Crook Co. OR, USA Coordinator: http://www.rootsweb.com/~orcrook Deschutes Co. OR, USA Coordinator: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ordeschu Harney Co. OR, USA Coordinator: http://www.rootsweb.com/~orharney Wheeler Co. OR, USA Coordinator: http://www.rootsweb.com/~orwheele Personal Genealogy Pages: http://www.ochoco.com/jbony/genealogy/index.html Ochoco Computer Services: http://www.ochoco.com

I just updated the Who's Who page for the AB and I am missing email addresses for the following new members: Northeast/North Central Region CC Rep-Teri Brown Southeast/Mid-Atlantic Region CC Reps -Denise Woodside and Linda Blum-Barton. If the SCs could send them along, it would be a great help. Thanks, Pam