On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, Joy Fisher wrote: > David -- do the math > > 2/3 of 75% = 50% which is a majority And if 20 vote for the SC and 17 vote against the SC, and there are 100 CCs in the state, the minority throws out the SC. The 75% is not included in the revision. David > > > --- damorgan@nyx.net wrote: > > > > > > From: "Roger Swafford" <sagitta56@mchsi.com> > > > Subject: [STATE-COORD] Bylaws Revision -- News > > > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:12:05 -0500 > > >(**Please forward to all appropriate project > > lists**) > > > > > >The Bylaws Revision Committee (BRC) has completed a > > first draft revision of > > >Section 7 of Article XI. State Projects. > > > > > >Section 7. State Coordinators and Assistant State > > Coordinators > > >are subject to removal for valid cause; by vote of > > the Advisory Board, or by > > >majority vote of the Local Coordinators within the > > state subsequent to a > > >recall petition submitted to and approved by the > > Advisory Board. > > > > > >All revision drafts may be viewed at > > http://home.mchsi.com/~sagitta56/ > > > > > > The current version of Article XII, Section 9 (I > > think), says that > > the SC can be removed with a 2/3rds vote of the > > state volunteers, with > > 75% voting. > > > > This is a radical change, going from 2/3rds to a > > majority vote. I guess > > since the recall failed in Georgia, it was decided > > to make it easier > > to remove an SC you are mad at. > > > > Look out, Tim! > > > > Let's get on with the voting on the bylaws. I have > > my NO vote ready. > > > > David > > TX > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > David W. Morgan damorgan@nyx.net Honolulu Hawaii SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm ** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/

> > From: "Roger Swafford" <sagitta56@mchsi.com> > Subject: [STATE-COORD] Bylaws Revision -- News > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:12:05 -0500 >(**Please forward to all appropriate project lists**) > >The Bylaws Revision Committee (BRC) has completed a first draft revision of >Section 7 of Article XI. State Projects. > >Section 7. State Coordinators and Assistant State Coordinators >are subject to removal for valid cause; by vote of the Advisory Board, or by >majority vote of the Local Coordinators within the state subsequent to a >recall petition submitted to and approved by the Advisory Board. > >All revision drafts may be viewed at http://home.mchsi.com/~sagitta56/ The current version of Article XII, Section 9 (I think), says that the SC can be removed with a 2/3rds vote of the state volunteers, with 75% voting. This is a radical change, going from 2/3rds to a majority vote. I guess since the recall failed in Georgia, it was decided to make it easier to remove an SC you are mad at. Look out, Tim! Let's get on with the voting on the bylaws. I have my NO vote ready. David TX

(**Please forward to all appropriate project lists**) The Bylaws Revision Committee (BRC) has completed a first draft revision of Section 7 of Article XI. State Projects. Section 7. State Coordinators and Assistant State Coordinators are subject to removal for valid cause; by vote of the Advisory Board, or by majority vote of the Local Coordinators within the state subsequent to a recall petition submitted to and approved by the Advisory Board. All revision drafts may be viewed at http://home.mchsi.com/~sagitta56/ Members are encouraged to send comments or questions related to this or other revision drafts. Roger Swafford BRC - Chairman

We can't stop these sites. Censusfinder isn't the only one, there are many, many more that link to inner pages within USGenWeb county sites. More sites are developed and taking advantage of it also. Let's face it, we have something others want, DATA. At least they are coming to the county sites when clicking on the links. So take advantage of it. It is called site stickiness. Censusfinder doesn't have it, but the county sites with data on them do. Enhance what will keep the visitor on the county site and all Censusfinder like sites become is specialized search engines and a collection of links. Use them to let visitors find your site. 1. Make sure each and every page with in the county site is clearly marked as being a XXGenWeb site. This let's people know we are out there and who has the data on the pages. 2. Make sure each and every page has a link back to the index of the county site. So many times I have happened across a page from a search engine or a site such as Censusfinder and bam! there is no link to the county site anywhere on the page. I know enough to copy and paste and cut the end out of the link to that page, but a good many visitors do not know about that. 3. Once you get the visitor to your site find ways to keep them there by letting them know there is more on the county site, that will help them. This goes back to putting site links on each and every page. Using SSL to create headers and footers to attach into each page (if your server space allows it) can help ease the chore of doing this on each page. Includes a mention of Rootsweb and why they have site stickiness. http://ecommerce.about.com/library/weekly/aa030300a.htm Patricia Hamp ASC MIGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/ Michigan FGS Project FM http://www.rootsweb.com/~migenweb/fgs/ > >X-From_: statecoordinator@migenweb.com Mon Sep 29 17:17:31 2003 > >From: "State Coordinator" <statecoordinator@migenweb.com> > >I have just been contacted by one of my County Coordinators who is a bit > >upset over this person deep linking to her webpages. And it appears to most > >of the MIGenWeb sites. I see my sites, such as Mackinac and Mecosta have > >been deep linked as well. She has asked this person to stop linking to her > >sites as she feels that the site appears to be pushing affiliate links, such > >as Ancestry, and we are free genealogy sites. > > > >I hesitate to say much as I'm not sure that we can stop anyone from deep > >linking to our sites. I see her concern, yet, I don't see that we can do > >anything, and particularily because Ancestry is one of the affiliates. > > > >Is anyone able to shed some light on this, give me some advice, > >whatever...... The link is below. > > > >http://www.censusfinder.com/michigan.htm > > > >Jan > >MIGenWeb > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 29 September 2003

I'm excited to report that we've received some very generous donations and other offers of help and support! So far, we've received monetary donations, as well as donations of a large canvas or vinyl fabric "USGenWeb Project" sign with logo, a half-page USGenWeb advertisement in the conference program, and help setting up and manning the booth. I'd like to gratefully acknowledge the generosity of those who have offered their support so far: Carole Palmer - monetary donation Shirley Webb - monetary donation Utah Genealogical Society - large canvas or vinyl sign for the booth D. Joshua Taylor - donation of 1/2 page USGenWeb advertisement in the conference program, and help with planning, set-up, and manning the booth We're making good progress toward reaching our goals and making this a reality! I'm hoping that some more of our USGenWeb community will step forward and give us that boost that will put us over the top. If you can help out by giving a monetary or material donation, or a donation of time, please let me know A.S.A.P. :). Monetary donations can be arranged through PayPal. To donate, or to find out more information about other ways you can assist or about the USGenWeb GenTech booth in general, take a look at http://www.usgenweb.org/GenTech/ . Thanks! Shari Handley Representative-at-Large USGenWeb Advisory Board Permission granted (and encouragement given <g>) to forward to other USGenWeb Project mailing lists.

For those who do not want folks to deep link, here is a Javascript to prevent it: http://javascript.internet.com/user-details/must-visit-from.html If they are only coming from one site to yours, you can detect it with this Javascript and re-direct them: http://javascript.internet.com/user-details/referrer-redirect.html You can either re-direct them to your main page -- or to a porno site. --- Connie Snyder <cjsnyder@alltel.net> wrote: > Kimm Antell wrote: > > > Unfortunately, there is no law that states that a > person has to give credit > > for a link to an off page. I really don't see > this as a problem. They are > > not copying the content into their website. They > are simply providing a > > link to an off-web site. I have the same thing on > my website. Just because > > s/he sells something doesn't make a difference. > Everyone has a right to > > provide links to offsites. S/he should have these > links open up in a new > > window like I do on my sites, but once again, > there is no law stating that > > they have to do this. Until we get a law out > there, this discussion is > > pretty moot. > > I guess I've been around too long. Not giving proper > credit used to be > considered to be bad netiquette. To me, it's a > matter of common courtesy even if > it's not a law. > > I also don't like it when a link opens in a new > window. It doesn't always mean > that the link has gone to a different site, so that > doesn't tell me anything and > just bugs me when I have a whole slew of windows > opened up at one time. > > Connie > (going off to nurse my cold/allergy/virus or > whatever it is that my husband > brought home from work. Maybe I'll be in a better > mood tomorrow.) > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Regarding netiquette, I learned back in the 80s that most people don't have a clue about netiquette and I pretty much just take things with a grain of salt. If I didn't, my head would explode. Regarding offsite links: Whenever you go to an offsite link, you should have it open in a new window. Two reasons for this which I learned through work and web workshops I had to take through work. The first (and most important) is so that you protect yourself from possible litigation in case someone thinks they are still on your site and are offended by something on the offsite link. Sometimes porno sites will purchase a DNS before the rightful owners have a chance to do so and your user might click on a URL that you have on your site that you think goes to a simple census listing and see something really nasty. (We had this happen to one of our customers and they got sued.) By having all offsite links open in a new window, you can state the argument that all offsite links are in new windows. You can even add a dislaimer to the site that states this and be completely protected. (I even have the archives open in a new window to be on the safe side.) Of course, we should all check our links constantly to ensure this doesn't happen, but some sites out there (Bell County, TX, for instance) have over 5,000 links and there is no way that they can check this. The second reason is a little more logical. By opening in a new window, you keep your website in the other window in the background so that your user can still access your site and not get lost. This is good for marketing as well as you want your user to use your site as the gateway and not get lost on some tangent like Cyndi's List and forget your site ever existed. I know it can seem frustrating. I have Pop Up Killer because I hate pop up advertisements. However, if the pop up windows are information that I want, then I have no problem at all and prefer it because I don't want to lose my originating website. I feel for you with the cold. The allergies in Austin are just about at maximum according to my allergy counter and everybody here is miserable. I am dreading Cedar Fever this year. Cheers! Kimm > -----Original Message----- > From: Connie Snyder [mailto:cjsnyder@alltel.net] > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 10:46 PM > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Fwd: {not a subscriber} Deep Linking our > Websites > > > Kimm Antell wrote: > > > Unfortunately, there is no law that states that a person has to > give credit > > for a link to an off page. I really don't see this as a > problem. They are > > not copying the content into their website. They are simply providing a > > link to an off-web site. I have the same thing on my website. > Just because > > s/he sells something doesn't make a difference. Everyone has a right to > > provide links to offsites. S/he should have these links open > up in a new > > window like I do on my sites, but once again, there is no law > stating that > > they have to do this. Until we get a law out there, this discussion is > > pretty moot. > > I guess I've been around too long. Not giving proper credit used to be > considered to be bad netiquette. To me, it's a matter of common > courtesy even if > it's not a law. > > I also don't like it when a link opens in a new window. It > doesn't always mean > that the link has gone to a different site, so that doesn't tell > me anything and > just bugs me when I have a whole slew of windows opened up at one time. > > Connie > (going off to nurse my cold/allergy/virus or whatever it is that > my husband > brought home from work. Maybe I'll be in a better mood tomorrow.) > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 9/23/2003

Kimm Antell wrote: > Unfortunately, there is no law that states that a person has to give credit > for a link to an off page. I really don't see this as a problem. They are > not copying the content into their website. They are simply providing a > link to an off-web site. I have the same thing on my website. Just because > s/he sells something doesn't make a difference. Everyone has a right to > provide links to offsites. S/he should have these links open up in a new > window like I do on my sites, but once again, there is no law stating that > they have to do this. Until we get a law out there, this discussion is > pretty moot. I guess I've been around too long. Not giving proper credit used to be considered to be bad netiquette. To me, it's a matter of common courtesy even if it's not a law. I also don't like it when a link opens in a new window. It doesn't always mean that the link has gone to a different site, so that doesn't tell me anything and just bugs me when I have a whole slew of windows opened up at one time. Connie (going off to nurse my cold/allergy/virus or whatever it is that my husband brought home from work. Maybe I'll be in a better mood tomorrow.)

Unfortunately, there is no law that states that a person has to give credit for a link to an off page. I really don't see this as a problem. They are not copying the content into their website. They are simply providing a link to an off-web site. I have the same thing on my website. Just because s/he sells something doesn't make a difference. Everyone has a right to provide links to offsites. S/he should have these links open up in a new window like I do on my sites, but once again, there is no law stating that they have to do this. Until we get a law out there, this discussion is pretty moot. > -----Original Message----- > From: Connie Snyder [mailto:cjsnyder@alltel.net] > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 10:26 PM > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Fwd: {not a subscriber} Deep Linking our > Websites > > > Interesting, the links on the Nebraska page are mostly normal > links without all the extra garbage. They open in the same > window. It doesn't have javascript, since I visited with javascript turned > off in my browser. The links still worked. > > I don't mind people linking straight to a certain sub-page, but > they need to give proper credit. Making a statement that's tucked > away at the bottom of the page that they are just linking to > other sites is not enough to make it right. > > Connie > > Susan W Pieroth wrote: > > > This site is really cute (read that sarcastically). When you put your > > mouse over a link, you can't see what it is in the status bar - just a > > message put there by some Java Script probably. At least they don't use > > frames to make it look like their own work. Plus, the links often have > > Ancestry attached, as in > > > > > http://service.bfast.com/bfast/click?bfmid=5647408&siteid=39580444 > &bfpage=bfrd&bfurl=http://www.ancestry.com/rd/befree/affprodredire > ct.asp?key=Uhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/1844prov.html > > > > The end result was one of the RIGenWeb pages > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/1844prov.html > > > > I don't see that they have done anything wrong. It's just annoying. > > > > Susan > > > > Isaiah Harrison wrote: > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:17:32 -0600 > > >> X-From_: statecoordinator@migenweb.com Mon Sep 29 17:17:31 2003 > > >> From: "State Coordinator" <statecoordinator@migenweb.com> > > >> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > > >> Old-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:17:38 -0400 > > >> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 > > >> X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list > > >> Subject: {not a subscriber} Deep Linking our Websites > > >> X-Envelope-To: STATE-COORD-L > > >> > > >> I have just been contacted by one of my County Coordinators > who is a bit > > >> upset over this person deep linking to her webpages. And it appears > > >> to most > > >> of the MIGenWeb sites. I see my sites, such as Mackinac and > Mecosta have > > >> been deep linked as well. She has asked this person to stop linking > > >> to her > > >> sites as she feels that the site appears to be pushing affiliate > > >> links, such > > >> as Ancestry, and we are free genealogy sites. > > >> > > >> I hesitate to say much as I'm not sure that we can stop > anyone from deep > > >> linking to our sites. I see her concern, yet, I don't see > that we can do > > >> anything, and particularily because Ancestry is one of the > affiliates. > > >> > > >> Is anyone able to shed some light on this, give me some advice, > > >> whatever...... The link is below. > > >> > > >> http://www.censusfinder.com/michigan.htm > > >> > > >> Jan > > >> MIGenWeb > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 9/23/2003

Interesting, the links on the Nebraska page are mostly normal links without all the extra garbage. They open in the same window. It doesn't have javascript, since I visited with javascript turned off in my browser. The links still worked. I don't mind people linking straight to a certain sub-page, but they need to give proper credit. Making a statement that's tucked away at the bottom of the page that they are just linking to other sites is not enough to make it right. Connie Susan W Pieroth wrote: > This site is really cute (read that sarcastically). When you put your > mouse over a link, you can't see what it is in the status bar - just a > message put there by some Java Script probably. At least they don't use > frames to make it look like their own work. Plus, the links often have > Ancestry attached, as in > > http://service.bfast.com/bfast/click?bfmid=5647408&siteid=39580444&bfpage=bfrd&bfurl=http://www.ancestry.com/rd/befree/affprodredirect.asp?key=Uhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/1844prov.html > > The end result was one of the RIGenWeb pages > http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/1844prov.html > > I don't see that they have done anything wrong. It's just annoying. > > Susan > > Isaiah Harrison wrote: > > > >> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:17:32 -0600 > >> X-From_: statecoordinator@migenweb.com Mon Sep 29 17:17:31 2003 > >> From: "State Coordinator" <statecoordinator@migenweb.com> > >> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Old-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:17:38 -0400 > >> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 > >> X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list > >> Subject: {not a subscriber} Deep Linking our Websites > >> X-Envelope-To: STATE-COORD-L > >> > >> I have just been contacted by one of my County Coordinators who is a bit > >> upset over this person deep linking to her webpages. And it appears > >> to most > >> of the MIGenWeb sites. I see my sites, such as Mackinac and Mecosta have > >> been deep linked as well. She has asked this person to stop linking > >> to her > >> sites as she feels that the site appears to be pushing affiliate > >> links, such > >> as Ancestry, and we are free genealogy sites. > >> > >> I hesitate to say much as I'm not sure that we can stop anyone from deep > >> linking to our sites. I see her concern, yet, I don't see that we can do > >> anything, and particularily because Ancestry is one of the affiliates. > >> > >> Is anyone able to shed some light on this, give me some advice, > >> whatever...... The link is below. > >> > >> http://www.censusfinder.com/michigan.htm > >> > >> Jan > >> MIGenWeb

Well realizing that we have no recourse, I personally think that its kind of underhanded. You do the work, you might get credit, but SHE gets paid for it thru her affiliate links. I think I like Joy's way of leaving her with broken links. <g> My CC has done redirects taking the links back to the main index page of the site. LOL Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimm Antell" <kantell@austin.rr.com> > They have the links open up in a new window so that the user will not be > mistaken in thinking that it is the same site. I don't see anything wrong > with what they are doing. They are helping to promote genealogy. > > >Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:17:32 -0600 > > >X-From_: statecoordinator@migenweb.com Mon Sep 29 17:17:31 2003 > > >From: "State Coordinator" <statecoordinator@migenweb.com> > > >To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Old-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:17:38 -0400 > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 > > >X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list > > >Subject: {not a subscriber} Deep Linking our Websites > > >X-Envelope-To: STATE-COORD-L > > > > > >I have just been contacted by one of my County Coordinators who is a bit > > >upset over this person deep linking to her webpages. And it > > appears to most > > >of the MIGenWeb sites. I see my sites, such as Mackinac and Mecosta have > > >been deep linked as well. She has asked this person to stop > > linking to her > > >sites as she feels that the site appears to be pushing affiliate > > links, such > > >as Ancestry, and we are free genealogy sites. > > > > > >I hesitate to say much as I'm not sure that we can stop anyone from deep > > >linking to our sites. I see her concern, yet, I don't see that we can do > > >anything, and particularily because Ancestry is one of the affiliates. > > > > > >Is anyone able to shed some light on this, give me some advice, > > >whatever...... The link is below. > > > > > >http://www.censusfinder.com/michigan.htm > > > > > >Jan > > >MIGenWeb

oops - sending to another list - and didn't change the email - disregard last email from MAK. THanks. R/S MAK --- Isaiah Harrison <IsaiahH@cox.net> wrote: ===== MAKTranscriber - http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwood http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiportag http://www.rootsweb.com/~wimonroe __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

FYI - from another list - BTW, here is where the Wisconsin files are at: http://www.censusfinder.com/wisconsin.htm I don't think anyone can prevent someone from linking to our pages - however, there is a code that we can include which will prevent them from changing the URL from ours to a "virtual one".... Anyone have the code? R/S MAK --- Isaiah Harrison <IsaiahH@cox.net> wrote: > > >Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:17:32 -0600 > >X-From_: statecoordinator@migenweb.com Mon Sep 29 > 17:17:31 2003 > >From: "State Coordinator" > <statecoordinator@migenweb.com> > >To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > >Old-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:17:38 -0400 > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 > >X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list > >Subject: {not a subscriber} Deep Linking our > Websites > >X-Envelope-To: STATE-COORD-L > > > >I have just been contacted by one of my County > Coordinators who is a bit > >upset over this person deep linking to her > webpages. And it appears to most > >of the MIGenWeb sites. I see my sites, such as > Mackinac and Mecosta have > >been deep linked as well. She has asked this > person to stop linking to her > >sites as she feels that the site appears to be > pushing affiliate links, such > >as Ancestry, and we are free genealogy sites. > > > >I hesitate to say much as I'm not sure that we can > stop anyone from deep > >linking to our sites. I see her concern, yet, I > don't see that we can do > >anything, and particularily because Ancestry is one > of the affiliates. > > > >Is anyone able to shed some light on this, give me > some advice, > >whatever...... The link is below. > > > >http://www.censusfinder.com/michigan.htm > > > >Jan > >MIGenWeb > ===== MAKTranscriber - http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwood http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiportag http://www.rootsweb.com/~wimonroe __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

This site is really cute (read that sarcastically). When you put your mouse over a link, you can't see what it is in the status bar - just a message put there by some Java Script probably. At least they don't use frames to make it look like their own work. Plus, the links often have Ancestry attached, as in http://service.bfast.com/bfast/click?bfmid=5647408&siteid=39580444&bfpage=bfrd&bfurl=http://www.ancestry.com/rd/befree/affprodredirect.asp?key=Uhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/1844prov.html The end result was one of the RIGenWeb pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/1844prov.html I don't see that they have done anything wrong. It's just annoying. Susan Isaiah Harrison wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:17:32 -0600 >> X-From_: statecoordinator@migenweb.com Mon Sep 29 17:17:31 2003 >> From: "State Coordinator" <statecoordinator@migenweb.com> >> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> >> Old-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:17:38 -0400 >> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 >> X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list >> Subject: {not a subscriber} Deep Linking our Websites >> X-Envelope-To: STATE-COORD-L >> >> I have just been contacted by one of my County Coordinators who is a bit >> upset over this person deep linking to her webpages. And it appears >> to most >> of the MIGenWeb sites. I see my sites, such as Mackinac and Mecosta have >> been deep linked as well. She has asked this person to stop linking >> to her >> sites as she feels that the site appears to be pushing affiliate >> links, such >> as Ancestry, and we are free genealogy sites. >> >> I hesitate to say much as I'm not sure that we can stop anyone from deep >> linking to our sites. I see her concern, yet, I don't see that we can do >> anything, and particularily because Ancestry is one of the affiliates. >> >> Is anyone able to shed some light on this, give me some advice, >> whatever...... The link is below. >> >> http://www.censusfinder.com/michigan.htm >> >> Jan >> MIGenWeb

I really hate for everything to open up in a new window. It runs me out of windows too fast. The ABC site, http://www.abc.com/ is really bad about it. I am on library machines, so they don't have an excess of disk space. Just my opinion. David On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Kimm Antell wrote: > Regarding netiquette, I learned back in the 80s that most people don't have > a clue about netiquette and I pretty much just take things with a grain of > salt. If I didn't, my head would explode. > > Regarding offsite links: > > Whenever you go to an offsite link, you should have it open in a new window. > Two reasons for this which I learned through work and web workshops I had to > take through work. > > The first (and most important) is so that you protect yourself from possible > litigation in case someone thinks they are still on your site and are > offended by something on the offsite link. Sometimes porno sites will > purchase a DNS before the rightful owners have a chance to do so and your > user might click on a URL that you have on your site that you think goes to > a simple census listing and see something really nasty. (We had this happen > to one of our customers and they got sued.) By having all offsite links > open in a new window, you can state the argument that all offsite links are > in new windows. You can even add a dislaimer to the site that states this > and be completely protected. (I even have the archives open in a new window > to be on the safe side.) Of course, we should all check our links > constantly to ensure this doesn't happen, but some sites out there (Bell > County, TX, for instance) have over 5,000 links and there is no way that > they can check this. > > The second reason is a little more logical. By opening in a new window, you > keep your website in the other window in the background so that your user > can still access your site and not get lost. This is good for marketing as > well as you want your user to use your site as the gateway and not get lost > on some tangent like Cyndi's List and forget your site ever existed. > > I know it can seem frustrating. I have Pop Up Killer because I hate pop up > advertisements. However, if the pop up windows are information that I want, > then I have no problem at all and prefer it because I don't want to lose my > originating website. > > I feel for you with the cold. The allergies in Austin are just about at > maximum according to my allergy counter and everybody here is miserable. I > am dreading Cedar Fever this year. > > Cheers! > Kimm > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Connie Snyder [mailto:cjsnyder@alltel.net] > > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 10:46 PM > > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Fwd: {not a subscriber} Deep Linking our > > Websites > > > > > > Kimm Antell wrote: > > > > > Unfortunately, there is no law that states that a person has to > > give credit > > > for a link to an off page. I really don't see this as a > > problem. They are > > > not copying the content into their website. They are simply providing a > > > link to an off-web site. I have the same thing on my website. > > Just because > > > s/he sells something doesn't make a difference. Everyone has a right to > > > provide links to offsites. S/he should have these links open > > up in a new > > > window like I do on my sites, but once again, there is no law > > stating that > > > they have to do this. Until we get a law out there, this discussion is > > > pretty moot. > > > > I guess I've been around too long. Not giving proper credit used to be > > considered to be bad netiquette. To me, it's a matter of common > > courtesy even if > > it's not a law. > > > > I also don't like it when a link opens in a new window. It > > doesn't always mean > > that the link has gone to a different site, so that doesn't tell > > me anything and > > just bugs me when I have a whole slew of windows opened up at one time. > > > > Connie > > (going off to nurse my cold/allergy/virus or whatever it is that > > my husband > > brought home from work. Maybe I'll be in a better mood tomorrow.) > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 9/23/2003 > > > David W. Morgan dmorgan@efn.org Honolulu Hawaii SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm ** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/

They have the links open up in a new window so that the user will not be mistaken in thinking that it is the same site. I don't see anything wrong with what they are doing. They are helping to promote genealogy. > -----Original Message----- > From: Isaiah Harrison [mailto:IsaiahH@cox.net] > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 6:43 PM > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [STATE-COORD] Fwd: {not a subscriber} Deep Linking our Websites > > > > >Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:17:32 -0600 > >X-From_: statecoordinator@migenweb.com Mon Sep 29 17:17:31 2003 > >From: "State Coordinator" <statecoordinator@migenweb.com> > >To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > >Old-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:17:38 -0400 > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 > >X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list > >Subject: {not a subscriber} Deep Linking our Websites > >X-Envelope-To: STATE-COORD-L > > > >I have just been contacted by one of my County Coordinators who is a bit > >upset over this person deep linking to her webpages. And it > appears to most > >of the MIGenWeb sites. I see my sites, such as Mackinac and Mecosta have > >been deep linked as well. She has asked this person to stop > linking to her > >sites as she feels that the site appears to be pushing affiliate > links, such > >as Ancestry, and we are free genealogy sites. > > > >I hesitate to say much as I'm not sure that we can stop anyone from deep > >linking to our sites. I see her concern, yet, I don't see that we can do > >anything, and particularily because Ancestry is one of the affiliates. > > > >Is anyone able to shed some light on this, give me some advice, > >whatever...... The link is below. > > > >http://www.censusfinder.com/michigan.htm > > > >Jan > >MIGenWeb > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 9/23/2003

You can always rename your files and leave them with a lot of busted links? --- Isaiah Harrison <IsaiahH@cox.net> wrote: > > >Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:17:32 -0600 > >X-From_: statecoordinator@migenweb.com Mon Sep 29 > 17:17:31 2003 > >From: "State Coordinator" > <statecoordinator@migenweb.com> > >To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > >Old-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:17:38 -0400 > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 > >X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list > >Subject: {not a subscriber} Deep Linking our > Websites > >X-Envelope-To: STATE-COORD-L > > > >I have just been contacted by one of my County > Coordinators who is a bit > >upset over this person deep linking to her > webpages. And it appears to most > >of the MIGenWeb sites. I see my sites, such as > Mackinac and Mecosta have > >been deep linked as well. She has asked this > person to stop linking to her > >sites as she feels that the site appears to be > pushing affiliate links, such > >as Ancestry, and we are free genealogy sites. > > > >I hesitate to say much as I'm not sure that we can > stop anyone from deep > >linking to our sites. I see her concern, yet, I > don't see that we can do > >anything, and particularily because Ancestry is one > of the affiliates. > > > >Is anyone able to shed some light on this, give me > some advice, > >whatever...... The link is below. > > > >http://www.censusfinder.com/michigan.htm > > > >Jan > >MIGenWeb > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Would it be safe to assume that Huron County, Ohio will soon stop making accident reports and police reports available because they might fall into the hands of tortfeasors, terrorists and criminals? I can just see it now: "I'm sorry, Mr. Smith, but you can not get a copy of the police report for your insurance company whereby Mr. Jones broke into your house and stole your Rolex because Jones might get a copy, too." or, "Mr. Smith, we know that your house burned to a crisp and that you did not do it, but what if your insurance agent is a terrorist? We can't give you a copy of that report." And I can only imagine that obtaining your own birth certificate would be a real adventure there, too. "I'm sorry, Mr. Wilson, and we know that you need newborn Elmo's birth certificate for his Social Security Number, but I am afraid that we cannot give it to you on the basis that some newborn out there is considering a life of crime and might adopt Elmo's identity in kindergarten to avoid failing grades." I think that the "privacy police" have simply gone way too far. Richard ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Isaiah Harrison <IsaiahH@cox.net> To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:35:37 -0700 Subject: [STATE-COORD] Records Problem in Ohio > Judy Kelble sent me this which might be of interest. > > >Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:10:42 -0400 > >From: jkelble@accnorwalk.com (Judy Kelble) > >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Windows NT 5.0; U) > >X-Accept-Language: en > >To: IsaiahH@cox.net > >Subject: Dick Eastman article > > > >Good morning, > > We, in Huron County, Ohio, are having a perplexing problem with our > >health department concerning them taking our copies of microfilm out of > >the local library. > > <snip outdated link> > > > In case anyone is interested, the mailing address for the health > >department is 180 Milan Ave, Norwalk, Ohio 44857. > > We would appreciate any help in the way of public opinion you can > >give us. > > DIck Eastman's Article: > > (The following article is from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter > and is copyright 2003 by Richard W. Eastman. It is re-published here > with the permission of the author. Information about the newsletter > is available at http://www.eogn.com.) > > - Genealogy Society to Sue Local Health District? > > In a bizarre twist of logic, the Huron County (Ohio) General Health > District has interpreted Ohio's new fee structure for ordering > copies of birth and death certificates as meaning that those > certificates should not be made available at all. Despite the new > guideline specifically stating the fees for making such copies, the > Huron County General Health District refuses to issue any > certificates at all, at any price. > > Tim Hollinger, a board member, refuses to issue copies of these > public domain records, citing concerns that they could fall into the > hands of ''terrorists, number one, or criminals." This is despite > the fact that the laws clearly state that such information is public > domain within the United States and cannot legally be withheld. In > fact, the new Ohio law about fees clearly states under what > conditions those records are to be released. Hollinger appears to be > ignoring the law that he does not approve of. > > OK, now here is where the story really gets bizarre: It seems that > the Huron County Genealogical Society had a copy of those records on > microfilm. The microfilm version was made some years ago by the > Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. In fact, microfilm > copies of the records are available in many places. However, members > of the county's General Health District ''stormed'' the local > library and seized the Huron County Genealogical Society's copy of > the microfilm. The Genealogical Society has asked for the return of > the microfilm, but the General Health District has > (so far) refused. > > Local historian and genealogy society member Henry Timman appeared > before the General Health District and stated, ''You're retaining > our property without our consent. We'd like to have our records back, > that's what we'd like." He also said that that ''Ohio law > supercedes personal opinion'' and that the genealogy group will > consider going to the police or court to get back the records. > > Are all of us using the tools of "terrorists or criminals" in our > genealogy research? Should this information be locked up? Should a > new set of fees be used to justify illegal seizure of a non-profit > society's property? Can public domain government data be withheld by > local government officials? > > You can read more about this strange misinterpretation of Ohio's new > fee structure at: http://www.morningjournal.com/site/news.cfm? BRD=1699&dept_id=46371&newsid=10153455&PAG=461&rfi=9 ------- End of Original Message -------

>Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:17:32 -0600 >X-From_: statecoordinator@migenweb.com Mon Sep 29 17:17:31 2003 >From: "State Coordinator" <statecoordinator@migenweb.com> >To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> >Old-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:17:38 -0400 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 >X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list >Subject: {not a subscriber} Deep Linking our Websites >X-Envelope-To: STATE-COORD-L > >I have just been contacted by one of my County Coordinators who is a bit >upset over this person deep linking to her webpages. And it appears to most >of the MIGenWeb sites. I see my sites, such as Mackinac and Mecosta have >been deep linked as well. She has asked this person to stop linking to her >sites as she feels that the site appears to be pushing affiliate links, such >as Ancestry, and we are free genealogy sites. > >I hesitate to say much as I'm not sure that we can stop anyone from deep >linking to our sites. I see her concern, yet, I don't see that we can do >anything, and particularily because Ancestry is one of the affiliates. > >Is anyone able to shed some light on this, give me some advice, >whatever...... The link is below. > >http://www.censusfinder.com/michigan.htm > >Jan >MIGenWeb

Judy Kelble sent me this which might be of interest. >Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:10:42 -0400 >From: jkelble@accnorwalk.com (Judy Kelble) >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Windows NT 5.0; U) >X-Accept-Language: en >To: IsaiahH@cox.net >Subject: Dick Eastman article > >Good morning, > We, in Huron County, Ohio, are having a perplexing problem with our >health department concerning them taking our copies of microfilm out of >the local library. <snip outdated link> > In case anyone is interested, the mailing address for the health >department is 180 Milan Ave, Norwalk, Ohio 44857. > We would appreciate any help in the way of public opinion you can >give us. DIck Eastman's Article: (The following article is from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter and is copyright 2003 by Richard W. Eastman. It is re-published here with the permission of the author. Information about the newsletter is available at http://www.eogn.com.) - Genealogy Society to Sue Local Health District? In a bizarre twist of logic, the Huron County (Ohio) General Health District has interpreted Ohio's new fee structure for ordering copies of birth and death certificates as meaning that those certificates should not be made available at all. Despite the new guideline specifically stating the fees for making such copies, the Huron County General Health District refuses to issue any certificates at all, at any price. Tim Hollinger, a board member, refuses to issue copies of these public domain records, citing concerns that they could fall into the hands of ''terrorists, number one, or criminals." This is despite the fact that the laws clearly state that such information is public domain within the United States and cannot legally be withheld. In fact, the new Ohio law about fees clearly states under what conditions those records are to be released. Hollinger appears to be ignoring the law that he does not approve of. OK, now here is where the story really gets bizarre: It seems that the Huron County Genealogical Society had a copy of those records on microfilm. The microfilm version was made some years ago by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. In fact, microfilm copies of the records are available in many places. However, members of the county's General Health District ''stormed'' the local library and seized the Huron County Genealogical Society's copy of the microfilm. The Genealogical Society has asked for the return of the microfilm, but the General Health District has (so far) refused. Local historian and genealogy society member Henry Timman appeared before the General Health District and stated, ''You're retaining our property without our consent. We'd like to have our records back, that's what we'd like." He also said that that ''Ohio law supercedes personal opinion'' and that the genealogy group will consider going to the police or court to get back the records. Are all of us using the tools of "terrorists or criminals" in our genealogy research? Should this information be locked up? Should a new set of fees be used to justify illegal seizure of a non-profit society's property? Can public domain government data be withheld by local government officials? You can read more about this strange misinterpretation of Ohio's new fee structure at: http://www.morningjournal.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1699&dept_id=46371&newsid=10153455&PAG=461&rfi=9