Congrats Maggie!! Sundee ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Morgan To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:31 PM Subject: [STATE-COORD] Congratulations to Maggie! Congratulations to Maggie Stewart, the new State Coordinator for Hawaii! And, thanks, Maggie, for adding the USGenWeb logo. LOL David David W. Morgan damorgan@nyx.net Honolulu Hawaii SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm ** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/

Congratulations to Maggie Stewart, the new State Coordinator for Hawaii! And, thanks, Maggie, for adding the USGenWeb logo. LOL David David W. Morgan damorgan@nyx.net Honolulu Hawaii SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm ** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/

I had that problem also but the CC wound up losing her site because she was AOL. does this CC do the work on the site? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie Snyder" <cjsnyder@alltel.net> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Problems with new CC > Pam Reid wrote: > > > Darilee, > > > > I agree with what you have to say here. Most of the CCs in this project > > just want to take care of their sites and stay out of the politics, etc. > > Most of these folks do a terrific job and USGW couldn't exist without them. > > However, Les has a problem where a CC doesn't answer emails, won't > > communicate with him, etc. I think this has to be handled differently. > > JMHO! > > > > Pam > > > > I think we are over-looking the fact that Lesley isn't dealing with a cc that > has been accepted by the state project. From what I can gather, she wasn't > notified the cc for the county was leaving nor that the account was going to be > turned over to someone else. She has tried to contact the person who now has the > account/webpage with no result and the person has unsubbed when she subbed him > to a required mail list. I would seriously wonder if the person wants that > account to be a part of the state project and consider finding someone else to > put up a county site in a different account. The account is in the name of the > account-holder, not the state project, and we can't consider that account as > 'ours'. > > Connie > >

Generally speaking, lurking is best......<grin>. It my usual modus operandi! Once in a great while I can't resist passing along an opinion - I have no idea what comes over me. It isn't even a full moon or anything. Pam -----Original Message----- From: bookstorelady [mailto:bookstorelady@prodigy.net] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 4:16 PM To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Problems with new CC Hi... I just wanted the SC's, as a group, to know that while describing the duties of the CC they might also want to declare "boldly" the duties/rights of the SC... I suggested mediation only because I don't want to hear a grievance by a CC who didn't understand that the SC isn't an advisory position... Use the word, foreman, president, leader, anything to convey the power of that position... (I'm not attempting to use negatative words here... there are responsibilities for the SC's that are little understood by the average CC) Obviously if the new CC isn't interested in working with the SC etc. etc. then the SC has every right to delink the person.. I would be happier, (as an AB member) if the SC can show they tried to work with the CC, that the CC was fully informed of all rules and regulations, and the CC didn't make any effort to change their behavior... I do agree with David... better to just get a new website and obtain/harvest the county info from the previous CC. Now goin' back to lurking.... Darilee Connie Snyder <cjsnyder@alltel.net> wrote: Pam Reid wrote: > Darilee, > > I agree with what you have to say here. Most of the CCs in this project > just want to take care of their sites and stay out of the politics, etc. > Most of these folks do a terrific job and USGW couldn't exist without them. > However, Les has a problem where a CC doesn't answer emails, won't > communicate with him, etc. I think this has to be handled differently. > JMHO! > > Pam > I think we are over-looking the fact that Lesley isn't dealing with a cc that has been accepted by the state project. From what I can gather, she wasn't notified the cc for the county was leaving nor that the account was going to be turned over to someone else. She has tried to contact the person who now has the account/webpage with no result and the person has unsubbed when she subbed him to a required mail list. I would seriously wonder if the person wants that account to be a part of the state project and consider finding someone else to put up a county site in a different account. The account is in the name of the account-holder, not the state project, and we can't consider that account as 'ours'. Connie bookstorelady@prodigy.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskagit - Skagit USGW http://www.thirdstbooks.com - 3rd St. Book Exchange http://www.facesfromthewall.com - Faces From the Wall - Vietnam/Washington

Darilee, I agree with what you have to say here. Most of the CCs in this project just want to take care of their sites and stay out of the politics, etc. Most of these folks do a terrific job and USGW couldn't exist without them. However, Les has a problem where a CC doesn't answer emails, won't communicate with him, etc. I think this has to be handled differently. JMHO! Pam -----Original Message----- From: bookstorelady [mailto:bookstorelady@prodigy.net] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:04 PM To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Problems with new CC Hello List A quick note about the problems with the new CC. Recently the AB had to deal with a problem between a CC and a SC that was caused by totally by the CC's lack of understanding of the role and power of the SC. In fact, several of that state's CCs didn't understand the role.... The first thing that needs to be done at State level (for all states) is a description of the position of SC with a definite listing of power, rights, and duties. The USGenWeb Project has always supported the idea of independent county webpages created to provide genealogy services to the community.... So we get independent thinkers who don't understand that there are positions, SC and AB, that oversees the quality of the websites. The second thing is find a mediator to explain the rights, concerns, etc. of the SC to the CC. The mediator should be willing to work both ways and be an advocate for both... I can understand CC's who only want to do their county pages and let the world go by... I sympathize with them... and there needs to be a place for them. The State guidelines for CC's were good but still didn't give a clue to the organization of the state... Thank you for your time Darilee Bednar CC Rep/NW/Plains bookstorelady@prodigy.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskagit - Skagit USGW http://www.thirdstbooks.com - 3rd St. Book Exchange http://www.facesfromthewall.com - Faces From the Wall - Vietnam/Washington

Pam Reid wrote: > Darilee, > > I agree with what you have to say here. Most of the CCs in this project > just want to take care of their sites and stay out of the politics, etc. > Most of these folks do a terrific job and USGW couldn't exist without them. > However, Les has a problem where a CC doesn't answer emails, won't > communicate with him, etc. I think this has to be handled differently. > JMHO! > > Pam > I think we are over-looking the fact that Lesley isn't dealing with a cc that has been accepted by the state project. From what I can gather, she wasn't notified the cc for the county was leaving nor that the account was going to be turned over to someone else. She has tried to contact the person who now has the account/webpage with no result and the person has unsubbed when she subbed him to a required mail list. I would seriously wonder if the person wants that account to be a part of the state project and consider finding someone else to put up a county site in a different account. The account is in the name of the account-holder, not the state project, and we can't consider that account as 'ours'. Connie

Lesley, IMHO, this is not a case of a person not understanding what is required of a CC, nor a misunderstanding of the power of the SC. It is someone with an "in your face" attitude. My opinion is that you should follow what David Morgan said. Phyllis Rippee SW/SC CC Representative

Hi... I just wanted the SC's, as a group, to know that while describing the duties of the CC they might also want to declare "boldly" the duties/rights of the SC... I suggested mediation only because I don't want to hear a grievance by a CC who didn't understand that the SC isn't an advisory position... Use the word, foreman, president, leader, anything to convey the power of that position... (I'm not attempting to use negatative words here... there are responsibilities for the SC's that are little understood by the average CC) Obviously if the new CC isn't interested in working with the SC etc. etc. then the SC has every right to delink the person.. I would be happier, (as an AB member) if the SC can show they tried to work with the CC, that the CC was fully informed of all rules and regulations, and the CC didn't make any effort to change their behavior... I do agree with David... better to just get a new website and obtain/harvest the county info from the previous CC. Now goin' back to lurking.... Darilee Connie Snyder <cjsnyder@alltel.net> wrote: Pam Reid wrote: > Darilee, > > I agree with what you have to say here. Most of the CCs in this project > just want to take care of their sites and stay out of the politics, etc. > Most of these folks do a terrific job and USGW couldn't exist without them. > However, Les has a problem where a CC doesn't answer emails, won't > communicate with him, etc. I think this has to be handled differently. > JMHO! > > Pam > I think we are over-looking the fact that Lesley isn't dealing with a cc that has been accepted by the state project. From what I can gather, she wasn't notified the cc for the county was leaving nor that the account was going to be turned over to someone else. She has tried to contact the person who now has the account/webpage with no result and the person has unsubbed when she subbed him to a required mail list. I would seriously wonder if the person wants that account to be a part of the state project and consider finding someone else to put up a county site in a different account. The account is in the name of the account-holder, not the state project, and we can't consider that account as 'ours'. Connie bookstorelady@prodigy.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskagit - Skagit USGW http://www.thirdstbooks.com - 3rd St. Book Exchange http://www.facesfromthewall.com - Faces From the Wall - Vietnam/Washington

Hello List A quick note about the problems with the new CC. Recently the AB had to deal with a problem between a CC and a SC that was caused by totally by the CC's lack of understanding of the role and power of the SC. In fact, several of that state's CCs didn't understand the role.... The first thing that needs to be done at State level (for all states) is a description of the position of SC with a definite listing of power, rights, and duties. The USGenWeb Project has always supported the idea of independent county webpages created to provide genealogy services to the community.... So we get independent thinkers who don't understand that there are positions, SC and AB, that oversees the quality of the websites. The second thing is find a mediator to explain the rights, concerns, etc. of the SC to the CC. The mediator should be willing to work both ways and be an advocate for both... I can understand CC's who only want to do their county pages and let the world go by... I sympathize with them... and there needs to be a place for them. The State guidelines for CC's were good but still didn't give a clue to the organization of the state... Thank you for your time Darilee Bednar CC Rep/NW/Plains bookstorelady@prodigy.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskagit - Skagit USGW http://www.thirdstbooks.com - 3rd St. Book Exchange http://www.facesfromthewall.com - Faces From the Wall - Vietnam/Washington

At 12:10 AM 11/06/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Do your guidelines specify how a new/replacement CC is to be chosen and/or >approved? I recommend that each state have such a statement in their >guidelines in order to avoid situations such as the one you're experiencing. > >Is there a statement in your guidelines requiring any new CC to read and >agree to the guidelines prior to participation in WVGenWeb? Here are the requirements of the WVGenWeb Project: Requirements Overview of Requirements for WVGenWeb County and Special Project pages: Name your page __ County WVGenWeb or display WVGenWeb Special Project. Display the USGenWeb Logo. Provide a Query Page. Display your Name, Title and E-mail Address. Link all pages in your site to your index page and link your index page to the WVGenWeb state page. Subscribe to WVGen-L and the mailing list for your county. Update your site often, particularly the Query Page. As a Coordinator, you should be courteous, quick to respond and assist your visitors to the best of your ability. You aren't required to do research for your visitors but you do need to point them in the direction of finding answers. This is followed by a detailed description of each of the above rules. The full text can be seen at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/cc-guide.htm Here are the recommendations for CCs: Recommendations 1. Provide links to neighboring counties, especially parent counties. 2. Provide addresses and links, if available, for historical and genealogical societies, courthouse and libraries for your county. 3. Provide a Surname page or list of surname researchers, a county history page, a map of your county or outline location of your county within the state of West Virginia. 4. Provide basic county history such as the date of formation, parent counties, the county seat, courthouse information, cities and towns in your county and years that records are available. 5. Provide a list of Lookup Volunteers and their sources. 6. Subscribe to the WVxxxxxx-L mailing list for the county or counties for which you administer a web site. For example, if you are the CC for Fayette County, join the WVFAYETT-L mailing list. This enables you to know what's going on in your county, to assist and direct potential and frequent visitors to your site, and to recognize the need for certain elements in your web site, i.e. a Surname page, a history page, map, etc. · If there is no mailing list for your county, consider creating one. Some counties are combined into one larger mailing list. For example, WV-Metro-Valley-l combines Boone, Cabell, Kanawha, Lincoln, Logan, Mason, Mingo, Putnam, and Wayne Counties. Subscribe to the conglomerated county list in which your county is included (if any) and observe the traffic. If you believe that there would be a lot of traffic to your county mailing list, give it a go! Bear in mind that the "If you build it, they will come" principal that worked for Kevin Costner in "Field of Dreams" may not hold water in the realm of regional mailing lists. Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/ for more information about regional mailing lists available at Rootsweb. 7. Search the net for new links to add to your county page. 8. Correct or eliminate broken links. 9. Create a "text-only" page for those visitors with slower or less powerful machines. 10. Place a copyright notice on your page. After all, its your creation. However, anything submitted by contributors remains their work. That includes queries, photographs, self-compiled data, etc., etc. You can't take it with you when you go. 11. Check your pages in the more popular browsers to ensure it looks just the way you designed it in all of them. 12. Read the USGenWeb By-Laws at http://www.usgenweb.org/official/bylaws.html Les Shockey email address = lshockey@citynet.net or wvgenweb@citynet.net RootsWeb Listowner for the SHOCKEY family discussion group. SHOCKEY-L@rootsweb.com Visit the Jackson County, WVGenWeb Page, part of USGenWeb Project at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvjackso/JACK.HTM Visit the (West Virginia) WVGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/

Les, I would order new web space for that county and start over. Sorry about the loss and health of your loved ones. David On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Lesley Shockey wrote: > I have problems that are new to me. > > One of the WV CCs apparently turned one of her counties over to another > person, I first became aware of this when I received an email with a > subject and text starting with: > Attention: ...to whom it may concern... > > I almost missed this message as my SpamKiller filters did not like this > subject or opening sentence. > > I have now written three messages to this person using the email address > that he has set up for use with the county and have not received a > reply. I tried writing the former CC and she has not answered either. > > I subscribed his mailing address to WVGEN-L according to Project rules and > he promptly unsubscribed. > > The page does have the USGenWeb Project logo but not the WVGenWeb Project > logo that the CCs voted to change to one year ago. > > We have always had new volunteers read the rules and guidelines that were > established for the WVGenWeb Project and ask that they agree to abide by > them. If this new person read the rules and guidelines, he apparently does > not plan to obey them. > > One totally frustrated SC. > Les Shockey > > PS: (My mother-in-law passed away a couple of weeks ago and my mother has > been quite ill for several months now.) > Les Shockey email address = lshockey@citynet.net > or wvgenweb@citynet.net > RootsWeb Listowner for the SHOCKEY family discussion group. > SHOCKEY-L@rootsweb.com > Visit the Jackson County, WVGenWeb Page, part of USGenWeb Project at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvjackso/JACK.HTM > Visit the (West Virginia) WVGenWeb: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/ > David W. Morgan damorgan@nyx.net Honolulu Hawaii SC - TXGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ FM - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/txfiles.htm ** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dmorgan/

Les, My sympathies on the loss of your mother-in-law and my prayers for your mother. I know how very painful it is to deal with our parents' illnesses and deaths. My mother passed away last November and I am coming up on the one year anniversary of her death. I miss her still. As for your problem, if I were you, I would have the password changed for the county and put it up for adoption. There is no way that an SC should ever be left out of the loop on something like this and I can't imagine what the former SC was thinking. You have certainly done more than your part in attempting to communicate with the "new" CC and in subbing him to the list. The fact that he unsubbed himself is a sign that he isn't a team player. Take care and hang in there, Pam -----Original Message----- From: Lesley Shockey [mailto:LShockey@citynet.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:12 PM To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [STATE-COORD] Problems with new CC I have problems that are new to me. One of the WV CCs apparently turned one of her counties over to another person, I first became aware of this when I received an email with a subject and text starting with: Attention: ...to whom it may concern... I almost missed this message as my SpamKiller filters did not like this subject or opening sentence. I have now written three messages to this person using the email address that he has set up for use with the county and have not received a reply. I tried writing the former CC and she has not answered either. I subscribed his mailing address to WVGEN-L according to Project rules and he promptly unsubscribed. The page does have the USGenWeb Project logo but not the WVGenWeb Project logo that the CCs voted to change to one year ago. We have always had new volunteers read the rules and guidelines that were established for the WVGenWeb Project and ask that they agree to abide by them. If this new person read the rules and guidelines, he apparently does not plan to obey them. One totally frustrated SC. Les Shockey PS: (My mother-in-law passed away a couple of weeks ago and my mother has been quite ill for several months now.) Les Shockey email address = lshockey@citynet.net or wvgenweb@citynet.net RootsWeb Listowner for the SHOCKEY family discussion group. SHOCKEY-L@rootsweb.com Visit the Jackson County, WVGenWeb Page, part of USGenWeb Project at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvjackso/JACK.HTM Visit the (West Virginia) WVGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/

Hi Les, I'm really sorry to hear about your mother-in-law, and I'm sending up prayers for your mom. As for your frustrating situation . . . Do your guidelines specify how a new/replacement CC is to be chosen and/or approved? I recommend that each state have such a statement in their guidelines in order to avoid situations such as the one you're experiencing. Is there a statement in your guidelines requiring any new CC to read and agree to the guidelines prior to participation in WVGenWeb? Even in the absence of these items, I would think that, in this case, you are well within your duties as State Coordinator to refuse to recognize this person as the CC for the county in question and to seek a replacement. Obviously, we need CCs in USGenWeb who are responsive, responsible team players. Good luck! Shari Handley SC for MDGenWeb & DEGenWeb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Shockey" <LShockey@citynet.net> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:12 PM Subject: [STATE-COORD] Problems with new CC I have problems that are new to me. One of the WV CCs apparently turned one of her counties over to another person, I first became aware of this when I received an email with a subject and text starting with: Attention: ...to whom it may concern... I almost missed this message as my SpamKiller filters did not like this subject or opening sentence. I have now written three messages to this person using the email address that he has set up for use with the county and have not received a reply. I tried writing the former CC and she has not answered either. I subscribed his mailing address to WVGEN-L according to Project rules and he promptly unsubscribed. The page does have the USGenWeb Project logo but not the WVGenWeb Project logo that the CCs voted to change to one year ago. We have always had new volunteers read the rules and guidelines that were established for the WVGenWeb Project and ask that they agree to abide by them. If this new person read the rules and guidelines, he apparently does not plan to obey them. One totally frustrated SC. Les Shockey PS: (My mother-in-law passed away a couple of weeks ago and my mother has been quite ill for several months now.) Les Shockey email address = lshockey@citynet.net or wvgenweb@citynet.net RootsWeb Listowner for the SHOCKEY family discussion group. SHOCKEY-L@rootsweb.com Visit the Jackson County, WVGenWeb Page, part of USGenWeb Project at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvjackso/JACK.HTM Visit the (West Virginia) WVGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/

Wouldn't this constitute "a member not in good standing" since he ignoring her emails to him?? (of course I am probably wrong LOL) Les. Sorry to hear of your loss. I have been there... although I will not say I know the feeling because I hate when someone says that. Take time... breathe..think of happy times. This about the best advice I have. Sorry. Probably not much. Pam I hope you do ok on the 1 year anniversary. Sundee ASC Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: Pam Reid To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:20 PM Subject: RE: [STATE-COORD] Problems with new CC Les, My sympathies on the loss of your mother-in-law and my prayers for your mother. I know how very painful it is to deal with our parents' illnesses and deaths. My mother passed away last November and I am coming up on the one year anniversary of her death. I miss her still. As for your problem, if I were you, I would have the password changed for the county and put it up for adoption. There is no way that an SC should ever be left out of the loop on something like this and I can't imagine what the former SC was thinking. You have certainly done more than your part in attempting to communicate with the "new" CC and in subbing him to the list. The fact that he unsubbed himself is a sign that he isn't a team player. Take care and hang in there, Pam -----Original Message----- From: Lesley Shockey [mailto:LShockey@citynet.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:12 PM To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [STATE-COORD] Problems with new CC I have problems that are new to me. One of the WV CCs apparently turned one of her counties over to another person, I first became aware of this when I received an email with a subject and text starting with: Attention: ...to whom it may concern... I almost missed this message as my SpamKiller filters did not like this subject or opening sentence. I have now written three messages to this person using the email address that he has set up for use with the county and have not received a reply. I tried writing the former CC and she has not answered either. I subscribed his mailing address to WVGEN-L according to Project rules and he promptly unsubscribed. The page does have the USGenWeb Project logo but not the WVGenWeb Project logo that the CCs voted to change to one year ago. We have always had new volunteers read the rules and guidelines that were established for the WVGenWeb Project and ask that they agree to abide by them. If this new person read the rules and guidelines, he apparently does not plan to obey them. One totally frustrated SC. Les Shockey PS: (My mother-in-law passed away a couple of weeks ago and my mother has been quite ill for several months now.) Les Shockey email address = lshockey@citynet.net or wvgenweb@citynet.net RootsWeb Listowner for the SHOCKEY family discussion group. SHOCKEY-L@rootsweb.com Visit the Jackson County, WVGenWeb Page, part of USGenWeb Project at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvjackso/JACK.HTM Visit the (West Virginia) WVGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/

I have problems that are new to me. One of the WV CCs apparently turned one of her counties over to another person, I first became aware of this when I received an email with a subject and text starting with: Attention: ...to whom it may concern... I almost missed this message as my SpamKiller filters did not like this subject or opening sentence. I have now written three messages to this person using the email address that he has set up for use with the county and have not received a reply. I tried writing the former CC and she has not answered either. I subscribed his mailing address to WVGEN-L according to Project rules and he promptly unsubscribed. The page does have the USGenWeb Project logo but not the WVGenWeb Project logo that the CCs voted to change to one year ago. We have always had new volunteers read the rules and guidelines that were established for the WVGenWeb Project and ask that they agree to abide by them. If this new person read the rules and guidelines, he apparently does not plan to obey them. One totally frustrated SC. Les Shockey PS: (My mother-in-law passed away a couple of weeks ago and my mother has been quite ill for several months now.) Les Shockey email address = lshockey@citynet.net or wvgenweb@citynet.net RootsWeb Listowner for the SHOCKEY family discussion group. SHOCKEY-L@rootsweb.com Visit the Jackson County, WVGenWeb Page, part of USGenWeb Project at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvjackso/JACK.HTM Visit the (West Virginia) WVGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/

(**Please forward to all appropriate project lists**) The Bylaws Revision Committee (BRC) has completed a first draft revision of Sections 5 and 6 of Article XII. Special Projects. Section 5. Special Project Coordinators and Assistants are subject to removal for valid cause; by vote of the Advisory Board, or by majority vote of the members within the special project subsequent to a recall petition submitted to and approved by the Advisory Board. Section 6. If a Special Project Coordinator (SPC) is unable to perform his/her duties, an Assistant SPC, or other support team, shall serve until an election can take place within 60 days. A majority shall elect. All revision drafts may be viewed at http://home.mchsi.com/~sagitta56/ Members are encouraged to send comments or questions related to this or other revision drafts. Roger Swafford BRC - Chairman

Is it written anywhere that when a CC leaves the Project that the files (submitted information) that were on the site when they became CC? Article X, Section 2 states: "In The USGenWeb Project, copyright to queries and any other data submitted to any state or local websites resides with the submitter. The submission of queries and other data to The USGenWeb Project implies that The USGenWeb Project may continue to post the material until/if such time the submitter requests removal." "If a Local Coordinator can no longer perform their duties for any reason, those sections of the website submitted or donated by contributors other than the website coordinator, shall remain with the website, unless the submitter(s)/contributor(s) indicates otherwise." It can be read into both of these articles, but it isn't spelled out definitely, as far as I can tell. In my opinion, it's not fair to a contributor if the files they've submitted to the USGenWeb Project are actually to be found on another site because a CC left and took all of the pages that they had up originally with them to a new site. Not everyone agrees with my view, though... There are 2 very different, strongly held opinions on the subject within the KY Project, so am seeking guidance from ones who've been in these shoes longer than I. Thanks, Sherri Hall SC, KYGenWeb

At 08:43 PM 11/1/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Is it written anywhere that when a CC leaves the Project that the files >(submitted information) that were on the site when they became CC? > >Article X, Section 2 states: >"In The USGenWeb Project, copyright to queries and any other data submitted >to any state or local websites resides with the submitter. The submission of >queries and other data to The USGenWeb Project implies that The USGenWeb >Project may continue to post the material until/if such time the submitter >requests removal." I think it is quite clear that the material is donated to the project (i.e. the State County or Local site) NOT to the person who happens to be coordinator at the time the donation is made. >"If a Local Coordinator can no longer perform their duties for any reason, >those sections of the website submitted or donated by contributors other >than the website coordinator, shall remain with the website, unless the >submitter(s)/contributor(s) indicates otherwise." The material belongs to the site when the CC leaves even though the CC has participated by formatting and uploading the material donated by another person. >It can be read into both of these articles, but it isn't spelled out >definitely, as far as I can tell. > >In my opinion, it's not fair to a contributor if the files they've submitted >to the USGenWeb Project are actually to be found on another site because a >CC left and took all of the pages that they had up originally with them to a >new site. Not everyone agrees with my view, though... There are 2 very >different, strongly held opinions on the subject within the KY Project, so >am seeking guidance from ones who've been in these shoes longer than I. > >Thanks, >Sherri Hall >SC, KYGenWeb Some CCs may leave and have or get permission to post some of the same material on new sites (independent or affiliated with a different project) that they may create. However the Project continues to have the right to also post the material until such time as the original submitter requests its removal. -Isaiah

Gail- What a wonderful article! As another "cemetery nut", I deeply appreciate both the work you do and your success in gaining some publicity regarding the situation evolving about our older cemeteries. Way to go! Larry Flesher SC, MOGenweb Project Washignton County, MO burial records Grundy County, MO Cemetery Records Mike Jarvis wrote: > Gail Meyer Kilgore has been featured in the Rocky Mountain News for > her work in preserving gravestone and Cemetery information. You can > read about at the following web site: > > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_2376126,00.html > > > As you know Gail is the State Coordinator for Iowa and Assistant State > Coordinator for AZ. Gail is working very hard and making a tremendous > contribution to our project. Join me in congratulating Gail. > > Mike Jarvis > AZGenWeb State Coordinator > http://www.rootsweb.com/~azgenweb/ > http://arizonagravestones.org/ > > >

Congratulations Gail, What a wonderful accomplishment! Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Jarvis" <MJarvis@Pobox.com> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 12:07 AM Subject: [STATE-COORD] Gail Kilgore-gravestone preservation news > Gail Meyer Kilgore has been featured in the Rocky Mountain News for her > work in preserving gravestone and Cemetery information. You can read about > at the following web site: > > http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_2376126,00.html > > As you know Gail is the State Coordinator for Iowa and Assistant State > Coordinator for AZ. Gail is working very hard and making a tremendous > contribution to our project. Join me in congratulating Gail. > > Mike Jarvis > AZGenWeb State Coordinator > http://www.rootsweb.com/~azgenweb/ > http://arizonagravestones.org/ >