Suzanne, you have my sincere condolences on the loss of your husband. Tina Vickery SC WIGenWeb Project ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne Leonard" <sleonard@wyoming.com> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 3:07 PM Subject: [STATE-COORD] Fwd: Wyoming GenWeb Project > This is probably my fault. I received the following email from John McCoy > on Feb 2. That morning the nurse called me from the hospital where my > husband had been since Dec 19. I spent the last 2 days of my husband's life > (he died Feb 4) at the hospital. Since then there has been much to do, and > Wyoming GenWeb was pretty far down on my list. <snip>

Yes, Jan. You are right. Our Provost lost her husband just after Christmas, and at our in-service meeting two weeks later told us that our priorities are rightfully with our families. Looking back you will never regret choosing to spend time with your family over putting in extra time on something else. I'm so sorry, Suzanne. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Cortez" <cristian@netonecom.net> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Fwd: Wyoming GenWeb Project > Suzanne, > > I am so sorry that you have had to experience all this with the loss of your > husband. Family is always more important than hobbies or genealogy. I > would have done the same. > > Please accept my condolences on your loss. > > Jan Cortez > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzanne Leonard" <sleonard@wyoming.com> > > > > This is probably my fault. I received the following email from John McCoy > > on Feb 2. That morning the nurse called me from the hospital where my > > husband had been since Dec 19. I spent the last 2 days of my husband's > life > > (he died Feb 4) at the hospital. Since then there has been much to do, and > > Wyoming GenWeb was pretty far down on my list. > > > > But I really don't care what any of you think. I'll take 2 days with my > > husband over a lifetime of bitching any day. > > > > Suzanne > > CC Sheridan Co WY > > ASC Wyoming >

Have to say, I'm with Carol on this one. Look at what happened. A former (possibly disgruntled) USGW member writes a very unpleasant note to everyone under the sun demanding a SC steps down. It never ceases to amaze me how those who get things for free would complain the most and the loudest. An AB member says, "I hope we hear from the WY SC or the ASC on this matter so nothing else from the Region has to be done." Probably not meant as a threat, but sure could be mistaken for one. And all this happening at the time the AB is looking into the formation of an "oversight" committee to keep tabs on the states. What is anyone to think? Carol is 100% correct. We are all volunteers here, and life sometimes gets in the way. Which one of us has the perfect state? As for the CCs who sometimes fall down on the job, maybe...just maybe...there are sometimes perfectly good reasons. Maybe there are things that only the SC knows or understands. Yep, I think I would be furious, too. I've never known a volunteer organization that's so hard, demanding, and unforgiving of it's workers. Ellen Pack MS SC At 02:02 PM 2/21/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Carol, > >whooo.... coral them horses up! Step back and take a deep breath. We all >get complaints from time to time. I sure didn't see anything that has been >posted to the list by Board Members about doing anything about you or a CC. > >I can understand the guys point about the broken link to GenConnect, >GenConnect died in June of 2001 and it is February of 2004. I don't recall >when the redirects to the Message Boards died but it has been some time ago. >This is an issue that I've delt with and continue to do so with the >WorldGenWeb. We need to put our best impression forward. > >Nathan > >-----Original Message----- >From: Youda Youda [mailto:wygenweb@yahoo.com] >Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 1:31 PM >To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [STATE-COORD] Wyoming > > >And now that I'm in a fighting mood, and sorry to make you all stomach >another email from someone griping . . . > >I really MUST say, that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES will ANYONE, EVER again >contact one of my CC's demanding that they step down without going through >ME FIRST! > >Get that imprinted on your foreheads, cuz that is totally unacceptable and I >will not tolerate it without making a fuss like this project has never seen >before (and that is saying a lot, as you know). > >You folks that believe the AB abuses their authority, take note! This is an >incident that canNOT be tolerated under any circumstance! NO ONE has the >right to demand or make ultimatums to a cc without going through the SC >first!!!!! Commendeering passwords and demanding things of a cc before >releasing a password to their OWN website without contacting the SC first is >such a blatant over-step in this project as to defy any other issue that has >EVER been brought to this forum, or any other, in the past! > >I will fight for my CC's. Get that. Don't EVER, EVER do this to another >one of my CC's or any other in this project, or I will demand YOUR >resignation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 > >Carol >STILL THE SC OF WYOMING > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing

Carol, whooo.... coral them horses up! Step back and take a deep breath. We all get complaints from time to time. I sure didn't see anything that has been posted to the list by Board Members about doing anything about you or a CC. I can understand the guys point about the broken link to GenConnect, GenConnect died in June of 2001 and it is February of 2004. I don't recall when the redirects to the Message Boards died but it has been some time ago. This is an issue that I've delt with and continue to do so with the WorldGenWeb. We need to put our best impression forward. Nathan -----Original Message----- From: Youda Youda [mailto:wygenweb@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 1:31 PM To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [STATE-COORD] Wyoming And now that I'm in a fighting mood, and sorry to make you all stomach another email from someone griping . . . I really MUST say, that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES will ANYONE, EVER again contact one of my CC's demanding that they step down without going through ME FIRST! Get that imprinted on your foreheads, cuz that is totally unacceptable and I will not tolerate it without making a fuss like this project has never seen before (and that is saying a lot, as you know). You folks that believe the AB abuses their authority, take note! This is an incident that canNOT be tolerated under any circumstance! NO ONE has the right to demand or make ultimatums to a cc without going through the SC first!!!!! Commendeering passwords and demanding things of a cc before releasing a password to their OWN website without contacting the SC first is such a blatant over-step in this project as to defy any other issue that has EVER been brought to this forum, or any other, in the past! I will fight for my CC's. Get that. Don't EVER, EVER do this to another one of my CC's or any other in this project, or I will demand YOUR resignation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 Carol STILL THE SC OF WYOMING --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing

Circumstances are often not evident to visitors. As a volunteer organization, I like to look at the guidelines as goals. Sometimes it takes longer to get there, but as volunteers our best efforts are pretty durn good. Our region has States that still have some wide-open spaces, and that may mean that our volunteers are not as numerous, and perhaps are spread a little thin. If there is a problem that needs solving, and it is really important to a visitor, my suggestion would be for the visitor to offer to pitch in and help in any way possible, or ask if there's another place where queries can be posted while something is under construction. Structure, rules and boundaries are more important to some folks than others, but here in New Mexico, the volunteers were named "The Wild Bunch" by one of the longest-serving volunteers for our independence. Teddy Roosevelt recruited "The Rough Riders" here for the Spanish American War, after all! I am heartened that our leadership is voicing support for WYGenWeb and understanding of the situation. One size does not fit all when it comes to volunteer organizations. Susan Susan Stockbridge Bellomo http://www.rootsweb.com/~nmgenweb/ State Coordinator, NMGenWeb County Coordinator, Chaves, Grant and Otero Counties ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina S. Vickery" <tsvickery@adelphia.net> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Fwd: Wyoming GenWeb Project > Suzanne, you have my sincere condolences on the loss of your husband. > > Tina Vickery > SC WIGenWeb Project > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzanne Leonard" <sleonard@wyoming.com> > To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 3:07 PM > Subject: [STATE-COORD] Fwd: Wyoming GenWeb Project > > > > This is probably my fault. I received the following email from John McCoy > > on Feb 2. That morning the nurse called me from the hospital where my > > husband had been since Dec 19. I spent the last 2 days of my husband's > life > > (he died Feb 4) at the hospital. Since then there has been much to do, and > > Wyoming GenWeb was pretty far down on my list. > > <snip>

I can assure everyone that there has been NO discussion among all AB members in regard to WYGenWeb. As a matter of fact, until the postings to this list, I had no idea that the regional reps. and NC had received anything. And, after reading what McCoy demanded....all I see is a demand from someone who has absolutely NO authority in USGW P. I do not see a formal complaint....all I see is a somewhat personal attack on the SC of WY and the CC who doesn't have all the links up to snuff. If all the sites in USGW P were checked....how many broken links would there be? How many pages would carry dates that might indicate the page hadn't been updated.....when they could have been but the date not changed? Or, how many pages would carry up-to-the-minute dates....when that would be the only thing on the page that had been changed. Now....while this ol' Missouri Mule doesn't like bucking broncos <g>, I would like to know if any AB member has suggested/threatened any course of action to be taken against either the SC of WY, or any CC of WY? Phyllis Rippee SW/SC CC Representative

I just visited the Unita County site and was happy to see that the page was updated on February 8 and the queries link now takes visitors to the Ancestry.com message boards. I, too, knew nothing about this situation until I saw Carol's messages to this list today. While I can understand John McCoy's frustration, his letter was inappropriate in both it's tone and content. It's equally inappropriate to threaten to leave broken links or bad information on a website just because one person behaved inappropriately. It doesn't help our visitors find the information they're looking for and it doesn't enhance the reputation of The USGenWeb Project or the State or County sites. Sometimes things fall through the cracks and updates don't get made as quickly or thoroughly as possible. I've seen my share of letters from disgruntled visitors to my site. The best thing for The Project is to set egos aside, fix the problem and move on. -Isaiah

This is probably my fault. I received the following email from John McCoy on Feb 2. That morning the nurse called me from the hospital where my husband had been since Dec 19. I spent the last 2 days of my husband's life (he died Feb 4) at the hospital. Since then there has been much to do, and Wyoming GenWeb was pretty far down on my list. But I really don't care what any of you think. I'll take 2 days with my husband over a lifetime of bitching any day. Suzanne CC Sheridan Co WY ASC Wyoming >From: "John McCoy" <drlmccoy@efn.org> >To: <sleonard@wyoming.com> >Subject: Wyoming GenWeb Project >Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 14:28:25 -0800 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on calamity.wyoming.com >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.3 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE > version=2.63 >X-Spam-Level: >X-TFF-CGPSA-Filter: Scanned >X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.2.3 > >Hi Suzanne, > >Can you tell me if the Wyoming GenWeb Project is still active? I can tell >a lot, and I mean a lot, of hard work has gone into it, but now it seems >like a ghost town. It saddens me to see so much good work seemingly abandoned. > >I honestly hope to hear back from you. Carol Haagensen and others have >not responded to my many inquiries, so it appears they are no longer >working on the project. It is sad when good volunteers leave, especially >without getting a replacement. I hope you are still an active part of >this project. > >Sincerely, > >John McCoy >With Roots in Wyoming

Hi Phyllis According to the original note submitted by the Wyoming SC, John McCoy, cc'd several other people... including me in my position as the CC Rep for NW/Plains. I received no note from John McCoy. Nor have I seen any email from the other AB members who were sent that email. As you said there has been no discussion within the full AB about Wyoming. I have already written to Carol privately and told her my opinions on what may be going on... which pretty much agrees with you and Ellen. I also agree with Nathan. Most of the AB was caught unaware of McCoy's letter. Carol didn't know that... but now that she does... She should just kick back (that means ease up), grab some chocolate, and take a few minutes to clear her head... Because a complaint was made... the AB will have to look into it. But that doesn't have to be a bad thing.... Think of it as your favorite aunt coming over for a visit... one who might notice things and make comments... I can assure you most of the comments won't be negative because IMO the AB appreciates the work, effort, and time given to the USGenWeb Project by the volunteer State Coordinators. Respectfully Darilee Bednar CC Rep, NW/Plains Phyllis Rippee <wchs@getgoin.net> wrote: I can assure everyone that there has been NO discussion among all AB members in regard to WYGenWeb. As a matter of fact, until the postings to this list, I had no idea that the regional reps. and NC had received anything. And, after reading what McCoy demanded....all I see is a demand from someone who has absolutely NO authority in USGW P. I do not see a formal complaint....all I see is a somewhat personal attack on the SC of WY and the CC who doesn't have all the links up to snuff. If all the sites in USGW P were checked....how many broken links would there be? How many pages would carry dates that might indicate the page hadn't been updated.....when they could have been but the date not changed? Or, how many pages would carry up-to-the-minute dates....when that would be the only thing on the page that had been changed. Now....while this ol' Missouri Mule doesn't like bucking broncos , I would like to know if any AB member has suggested/threatened any course of action to be taken against either the SC of WY, or any CC of WY? Phyllis Rippee SW/SC CC Representative bookstorelady@prodigy.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskagit - Skagit USGW http://www.thirdstbooks.com - 3rd St. Book Exchange http://www.facesfromthewall.com - Faces From the Wall - Vietnam/Washington

And now that I'm in a fighting mood, and sorry to make you all stomach another email from someone griping . . . I really MUST say, that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES will ANYONE, EVER again contact one of my CC's demanding that they step down without going through ME FIRST! Get that imprinted on your foreheads, cuz that is totally unacceptable and I will not tolerate it without making a fuss like this project has never seen before (and that is saying a lot, as you know). You folks that believe the AB abuses their authority, take note! This is an incident that canNOT be tolerated under any circumstance! NO ONE has the right to demand or make ultimatums to a cc without going through the SC first!!!!! Commendeering passwords and demanding things of a cc before releasing a password to their OWN website without contacting the SC first is such a blatant over-step in this project as to defy any other issue that has EVER been brought to this forum, or any other, in the past! I will fight for my CC's. Get that. Don't EVER, EVER do this to another one of my CC's or any other in this project, or I will demand YOUR resignation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 Carol STILL THE SC OF WYOMING --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing

P.S. Now that you've totally Pi**ed me off, I'll tell you that this broken link will remain on the wygenweb website as long as I'm SC for Wyoming just because I don't like the ultimatum. Be advised to one and all that the broken links will stand as a testimony that the Advisory Board can NOT with impuntiy remove a SC contrary to the the Bylaws. And that PEOPLE are more important than LINKS any day of the week! How strange that a person who has been a volunteer for the USGEnWeb since it's beginning should have this problem at ALL! The broken links will stand as a testimony that you do NOT handle a problem like this with someone FROM WYOMING in this way! COWBOYS RULE! YEAH! Youda Youda <wygenweb@yahoo.com> wrote: Youda Youda wrote:Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:22:29 -0800 (PST) From: Youda Youda Subject: Re: Wyoming GenWeb and Uinta County GenWeb Projects To: Gail Meyer Kilgore CC: State-Coord-L@rootsweb.com Again, what authority does anyone have to request the removal of a SC or CC? I doubt this is rootsweb's or the USGenWeb's policy or bylaws. As I said already to State-Coord-L, there is a broken link, so sue me! Duh! On a website as big as wygenweb, I don't spend my life fixing broken links. Nor does my life revolve around the USGenWeb. Wyoming has been, and will always be, a more "relaxed" state as far as the USGenWeb is concerned. In fact, this attitude is reflected in the state as a whole. Ever seen a cowboy obsessing about anything except a burr under his saddle? And now that I've started to talk about burrs under my saddle, let me tell you that I changed my email address to a Yahoo account because Yahoo is a little more aggressive about filtering out spam. It is purely in self-defense! I opened my Yahoo inbox this morning and found over 600 spam. This email adress has only been used on the State websites for a couple of months! If you don't want people to "hide-out" from the crap associated with having an email address on your mail pages (easily collected from the spam robots) then perhaps you could come up with a solution, such as using graphics with links instead of email addresses for everyone. But, alas! You'd rather fuss because someone isn't immediately available to your every request than fix a problem. Speaking of problems: I also don't check my email from USGenweb everyday because of all the infighting. I find it tedious and redundant. If some of you would stop reacting and over-reacting on every little issue, then perhaps I'd be more inclined to check my email more frequently. Do I want to read through all this nastiness? Nope. Very little ever comes to my inbox about pure genealogy or genealogy in Wyoming. Your recent attack on me for a broken link is just more of the general bull. Speaking of not answering emails! I have, in the past, sent emails to board members and the Advosory Board as a whole. Did I get a response? Heck, NO! But, you all complain if I don't answer you? Now I think that's "the pot calling the kettle black!" So, here's the problem. You don't think I have fixed a link. So you want me to step down. You don't think I monitor my cc's. Well, when the ADVISORY Board, as a whole, wants to ask me questions, just fire away. I'll answer them the next time I check my mail. In the meantime, the wygenweb website belongs to me. It's a rootsweb account. The website has been updated within the last few months (you can check by the time/date stamp I have for updates.). And when you're done with all that, please consider having a little compassion and interest in your VOLUNTEERS!. Now that would be a real change, wouldn't it? Thinking about PEOPLE and considering PEOPLE's feelings and possible problems and CARING instead of your knee-jerk responses and ultimatums and continual and never-ending fighting? We've had some things happening to our volunteers in the state that you know NOTHING about, including me. We've had deaths, we've had severe personal and health problems. Do *I* go around demanding resignations from my cc's when *I* know what's going on in my state? Nope! I value the people who DONATE their time, and give them TIME to do things in their own way at their own time, as you should do. The simple fact is that because I didn't fix a link, you are all in a bother. That's it. You know NOTHING about what has been happening to the volunteers in my state, or with me. You know what? You folks suck! (Yeah, yeah, I know I'll ! get blasted cuz of this email, and that will be just more of the same of crap out of the USGenWeb with the vocal ones wanting to hang someone instead of open and honest, caring, and "benefit of the doubt" communication!) The sad thing is that I'm not the only volunteer who feels this way. But the majority remain silent because the vocal majority jsut want to find something to gripe about, not to promote genealogy on the web. So sorry I don't live up to your expectations. But, last I heard, that wasn't required. You show me the Bylaw that says I'm a bad State Coordinator and maybe I'll get back to you folks. In the meantime, get off my back! Carol Haagense Still the STATE COORDINATOR OF THE WYGENWEB Gail Meyer Kilgore wrote: In checking both sites, John is right the links are broken to the Gen Connect boards, which are now a thing of the past. The Uinta County site has not been updated since July 2000 and the links there are also broken not only on the graphics but the text link. I hope we hear from the WY SC or the ASC on this matter so nothing else from the Region has to be done. WY State web pages look pretty good. Gail Meyer Kilgore ----- Original Message ----- From: John McCoy To: dagwood@tdn.com ; wygenweb@yahoo.com Cc: gkilgore@globalcrossing.net ; donkelly@grovenet.net ; bookstorelady@prodigy.net ; IsaiahH@cox.net ; srh@tyaskin.com Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 5:30 PM Subject: Wyoming GenWeb and Uinta County GenWeb Projects To: Wyoming State Coordinator and Uinta County (Wyoming Coordinator): I am writing to request that you both step down from your USGenWeb positions in the WYGenWeb Project. I am requesting this because of your dereliction of duty. I wrote to both of you more than a year ago requesting that you remove the GenConnect links on the State and Uinta County pages. I heard back from neither of you, nor were the links removed. I wrote again on January 8th of this year to the Uinta County Coordinator, letting him know that the GenConnect boards have been gone for way more than a year and that the links on the page are dead. I did not hear back from him, and at this date (January 26, 2004), the links have not been removed. There is no way to post a query or a surname on the Uinta County page, in violation of USGenWeb requirements. The Wyoming State Coordinator is not only negligent in fixing/removing the links, but in guiding and overseeing of the county coordinators in her state. I find this to be grossly negligent. I feel that, with more than a year since you have first been appraised of the link situation by me, is more than patience enough. It is time for action. I request that you both step down immediately and let someone who cares take over. I am a former member of the GenWeb Projects and remain an avid user of the project. I know what kind of work and sometimes thankless job it can be, but I also know that by volunteering to do the job, you have agreed to do so to the best of you ability. Showing no effort at all in more than a year, more likely two years, is an effort that even my cat can attain. For the good of the Uinta County Project, the Wyoming State Project, and for the good reputation of the USGenWeb Project in general, please resign immediately! Very Sincerely, John McCoy cc: Isaiah Harrison(National Coordinator), Shari Handley (Representative At Large), Don Kelly (NW/Plains Region State Coordinator Representative), Gail Meyer Kilgore (NW/Plains CC Rep), Darilee Bednar (NW/Plains CC Rep), Suzanne Leonard (WY ASC) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/20/2004 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! 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Since Carol has decided to handle this situation in such a mature and adult manner (leaving the dead GenConnect link on the page), we can flush the oversight authority of the AB down the toilet. David On Sat, 21 Feb 2004, Youda Youda wrote: > P.S. Now that you've totally Pi**ed me off, I'll tell you that this broken link will remain on the wygenweb website as long as I'm SC for Wyoming just because I don't like the ultimatum. Be advised to one and all that the broken links will stand as a testimony that the Advisory Board can NOT with impuntiy remove a SC contrary to the the Bylaws. And that PEOPLE are more important than LINKS any day of the week! How strange that a person who has been a volunteer for the USGEnWeb since it's beginning should have this problem at ALL! The broken links will stand as a testimony that you do NOT handle a problem like this with someone FROM WYOMING in this way! > > COWBOYS RULE! YEAH! > > > > Youda Youda <wygenweb@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Youda Youda wrote:Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:22:29 -0800 (PST) > From: Youda Youda > Subject: Re: Wyoming GenWeb and Uinta County GenWeb Projects > To: Gail Meyer Kilgore > CC: State-Coord-L@rootsweb.com > > Again, what authority does anyone have to request the removal of a SC or CC? I doubt this is rootsweb's or the USGenWeb's policy or bylaws. As I said already to State-Coord-L, there is a broken link, so sue me! Duh! On a website as big as wygenweb, I don't spend my life fixing broken links. Nor does my life revolve around the USGenWeb. Wyoming has been, and will always be, a more "relaxed" state as far as the USGenWeb is concerned. In fact, this attitude is reflected in the state as a whole. Ever seen a cowboy obsessing about anything except a burr under his saddle? > > And now that I've started to talk about burrs under my saddle, let me tell you that I changed my email address to a Yahoo account because Yahoo is a little more aggressive about filtering out spam. It is purely in self-defense! I opened my Yahoo inbox this morning and found over 600 spam. This email adress has only been used on the State websites for a couple of months! If you don't want people to "hide-out" from the crap associated with having an email address on your mail pages (easily collected from the spam robots) then perhaps you could come up with a solution, such as using graphics with links instead of email addresses for everyone. But, alas! You'd rather fuss because someone isn't immediately available to your every request than fix a problem. > > Speaking of problems: I also don't check my email from USGenweb everyday because of all the infighting. I find it tedious and redundant. If some of you would stop reacting and over-reacting on every little issue, then perhaps I'd be more inclined to check my email more frequently. Do I want to read through all this nastiness? Nope. Very little ever comes to my inbox about pure genealogy or genealogy in Wyoming. Your recent attack on me for a broken link is just more of the general bull. > > Speaking of not answering emails! I have, in the past, sent emails to board members and the Advosory Board as a whole. Did I get a response? Heck, NO! But, you all complain if I don't answer you? Now I think that's "the pot calling the kettle black!" > > So, here's the problem. You don't think I have fixed a link. So you want me to step down. You don't think I monitor my cc's. Well, when the ADVISORY Board, as a whole, wants to ask me questions, just fire away. I'll answer them the next time I check my mail. > > In the meantime, the wygenweb website belongs to me. It's a rootsweb account. The website has been updated within the last few months (you can check by the time/date stamp I have for updates.). > > And when you're done with all that, please consider having a little compassion and interest in your VOLUNTEERS!. Now that would be a real change, wouldn't it? Thinking about PEOPLE and considering PEOPLE's feelings and possible problems and CARING instead of your knee-jerk responses and ultimatums and continual and never-ending fighting? We've had some things happening to our volunteers in the state that you know NOTHING about, including me. We've had deaths, we've had severe personal and health problems. Do *I* go around demanding resignations from my cc's when *I* know what's going on in my state? Nope! I value the people who DONATE their time, and give them TIME to do things in their own way at their own time, as you should do. The simple fact is that because I didn't fix a link, you are all in a bother. That's it. You know NOTHING about what has been happening to the volunteers in my state, or with me. You know what? You folks suck! (Yeah, yeah, I know I'll ! > get > blasted cuz of this email, and that will be just more of the same of crap out of the USGenWeb with the vocal ones wanting to hang someone instead of open and honest, caring, and "benefit of the doubt" communication!) The sad thing is that I'm not the only volunteer who feels this way. But the majority remain silent because the vocal majority jsut want to find something to gripe about, not to promote genealogy on the web. > > So sorry I don't live up to your expectations. But, last I heard, that wasn't required. You show me the Bylaw that says I'm a bad State Coordinator and maybe I'll get back to you folks. In the meantime, get off my back! > > Carol Haagense > Still the STATE COORDINATOR OF THE WYGENWEB > > Gail Meyer Kilgore wrote: > In checking both sites, John is right the links are broken to the Gen Connect boards, which are now a thing of the past. The Uinta County site has not been updated since July 2000 and the links there are also broken not only on the graphics but the text link. > > I hope we hear from the WY SC or the ASC on this matter so nothing else from the Region has to be done. > > WY State web pages look pretty good. > > Gail Meyer Kilgore > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John McCoy > To: dagwood@tdn.com ; wygenweb@yahoo.com > Cc: gkilgore@globalcrossing.net ; donkelly@grovenet.net ; bookstorelady@prodigy.net ; IsaiahH@cox.net ; srh@tyaskin.com > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 5:30 PM > Subject: Wyoming GenWeb and Uinta County GenWeb Projects > > > To: Wyoming State Coordinator and Uinta County (Wyoming Coordinator): > > I am writing to request that you both step down from your USGenWeb positions in the WYGenWeb Project. I am requesting this because of your dereliction of duty. I wrote to both of you more than a year ago requesting that you remove the GenConnect links on the State and Uinta County pages. I heard back from neither of you, nor were the links removed. I wrote again on January 8th of this year to the Uinta County Coordinator, letting him know that the GenConnect boards have been gone for way more than a year and that the links on the page are dead. I did not hear back from him, and at this date (January 26, 2004), the links have not been removed. There is no way to post a query or a surname on the Uinta County page, in violation of USGenWeb requirements. > > The Wyoming State Coordinator is not only negligent in fixing/removing the links, but in guiding and overseeing of the county coordinators in her state. I find this to be grossly negligent. I feel that, with more than a year since you have first been appraised of the link situation by me, is more than patience enough. It is time for action. I request that you both step down immediately and let someone who cares take over. > > I am a former member of the GenWeb Projects and remain an avid user of the project. I know what kind of work and sometimes thankless job it can be, but I also know that by volunteering to do the job, you have agreed to do so to the best of you ability. Showing no effort at all in more than a year, more likely two years, is an effort that even my cat can attain. For the good of the Uinta County Project, the Wyoming State Project, and for the good reputation of the USGenWeb Project in general, please resign immediately! > > Very Sincerely, > > John McCoy > cc: Isaiah Harrison(National Coordinator), Shari Handley (Representative At Large), Don Kelly (NW/Plains Region State Coordinator Representative), Gail Meyer Kilgore (NW/Plains CC Rep), Darilee Bednar (NW/Plains CC Rep), Suzanne Leonard (WY ASC) > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/20/2004 > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! 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Again, what authority does anyone have to request the removal of a SC or CC? I doubt this is rootsweb's or the USGenWeb's policy or bylaws. As I said already to State-Coord-L, there is a broken link, so sue me! Duh! On a website as big as wygenweb, I don't spend my life fixing broken links. Nor does my life revolve around the USGenWeb. Wyoming has been, and will always be, a more "relaxed" state as far as the USGenWeb is concerned. In fact, this attitude is reflected in the state as a whole. Ever seen a cowboy obsessing about anything except a burr under his saddle? And now that I've started to talk about burrs under my saddle, let me tell you that I changed my email address to a Yahoo account because Yahoo is a little more aggressive about filtering out spam. It is purely in self-defense! I opened my Yahoo inbox this morning and found over 600 spam. This email adress has only been used on the State websites for a couple of months! If you don't want people to "hide-out" from the crap associated with having an email address on your mail pages (easily collected from the spam robots) then perhaps you could come up with a solution, such as using graphics with links instead of email addresses for everyone. But, alas! You'd rather fuss because someone isn't immediately available to your every request than fix a problem. Speaking of problems: I also don't check my email from USGenweb everyday because of all the infighting. I find it tedious and redundant. If some of you would stop reacting and over-reacting on every little issue, then perhaps I'd be more inclined to check my email more frequently. Do I want to read through all this nastiness? Nope. Very little ever comes to my inbox about pure genealogy or genealogy in Wyoming. Your recent attack on me for a broken link is just more of the general bull. Speaking of not answering emails! I have, in the past, sent emails to board members and the Advosory Board as a whole. Did I get a response? Heck, NO! But, you all complain if I don't answer you? Now I think that's "the pot calling the kettle black!" So, here's the problem. You don't think I have fixed a link. So you want me to step down. You don't think I monitor my cc's. Well, when the ADVISORY Board, as a whole, wants to ask me questions, just fire away. I'll answer them the next time I check my mail. In the meantime, the wygenweb website belongs to me. It's a rootsweb account. The website has been updated within the last few months (you can check by the time/date stamp I have for updates.). And when you're done with all that, please consider having a little compassion and interest in your VOLUNTEERS!. Now that would be a real change, wouldn't it? Thinking about PEOPLE and considering PEOPLE's feelings and possible problems and CARING instead of your knee-jerk responses and ultimatums and continual and never-ending fighting? We've had some things happening to our volunteers in the state that you know NOTHING about, including me. We've had deaths, we've had severe personal and health problems. Do *I* go around demanding resignations from my cc's when *I* know what's going on in my state? Nope! I value the people who DONATE their time, and give them TIME to do things in their own way at their own time, as you should do. The simple fact is that because I didn't fix a link, you are all in a bother. That's it. You know NOTHING about what has been happening to the volunteers in my state, or with me. You know what? You folks suck! (Yeah, yeah, I know I'll ! get blasted cuz of this email, and that will be just more of the same of crap out of the USGenWeb with the vocal ones wanting to hang someone instead of open and honest, caring, and "benefit of the doubt" communication!) The sad thing is that I'm not the only volunteer who feels this way. But the majority remain silent because the vocal majority jsut want to find something to gripe about, not to promote genealogy on the web. So sorry I don't live up to your expectations. But, last I heard, that wasn't required. You show me the Bylaw that says I'm a bad State Coordinator and maybe I'll get back to you folks. In the meantime, get off my back! Carol Haagense Still the STATE COORDINATOR OF THE WYGENWEB Gail Meyer Kilgore <gkilgore@globalcrossing.net> wrote: In checking both sites, John is right the links are broken to the Gen Connect boards, which are now a thing of the past. The Uinta County site has not been updated since July 2000 and the links there are also broken not only on the graphics but the text link. I hope we hear from the WY SC or the ASC on this matter so nothing else from the Region has to be done. WY State web pages look pretty good. Gail Meyer Kilgore ----- Original Message ----- From: John McCoy To: dagwood@tdn.com ; wygenweb@yahoo.com Cc: gkilgore@globalcrossing.net ; donkelly@grovenet.net ; bookstorelady@prodigy.net ; IsaiahH@cox.net ; srh@tyaskin.com Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 5:30 PM Subject: Wyoming GenWeb and Uinta County GenWeb Projects To: Wyoming State Coordinator and Uinta County (Wyoming Coordinator): I am writing to request that you both step down from your USGenWeb positions in the WYGenWeb Project. I am requesting this because of your dereliction of duty. I wrote to both of you more than a year ago requesting that you remove the GenConnect links on the State and Uinta County pages. I heard back from neither of you, nor were the links removed. I wrote again on January 8th of this year to the Uinta County Coordinator, letting him know that the GenConnect boards have been gone for way more than a year and that the links on the page are dead. I did not hear back from him, and at this date (January 26, 2004), the links have not been removed. There is no way to post a query or a surname on the Uinta County page, in violation of USGenWeb requirements. The Wyoming State Coordinator is not only negligent in fixing/removing the links, but in guiding and overseeing of the county coordinators in her state. I find this to be grossly negligent. I feel that, with more than a year since you have first been appraised of the link situation by me, is more than patience enough. It is time for action. I request that you both step down immediately and let someone who cares take over. I am a former member of the GenWeb Projects and remain an avid user of the project. I know what kind of work and sometimes thankless job it can be, but I also know that by volunteering to do the job, you have agreed to do so to the best of you ability. Showing no effort at all in more than a year, more likely two years, is an effort that even my cat can attain. For the good of the Uinta County Project, the Wyoming State Project, and for the good reputation of the USGenWeb Project in general, please resign immediately! Very Sincerely, John McCoy cc: Isaiah Harrison(National Coordinator), Shari Handley (Representative At Large), Don Kelly (NW/Plains Region State Coordinator Representative), Gail Meyer Kilgore (NW/Plains CC Rep), Darilee Bednar (NW/Plains CC Rep), Suzanne Leonard (WY ASC) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/20/2004 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing

And under what authority do you have to request anyone's removal? So very sorry there is a broken link. OMG! The sky is falling. John McCoy <drlmccoy@efn.org> wrote: To: Wyoming State Coordinator and Uinta County (Wyoming Coordinator): I am writing to request that you both step down from your USGenWeb positions in the WYGenWeb Project. I am requesting this because of your dereliction of duty. I wrote to both of you more than a year ago requesting that you remove the GenConnect links on the State and Uinta County pages. I heard back from neither of you, nor were the links removed. I wrote again on January 8th of this year to the Uinta County Coordinator, letting him know that the GenConnect boards have been gone for way more than a year and that the links on the page are dead. I did not hear back from him, and at this date (January 26, 2004), the links have not been removed. There is no way to post a query or a surname on the Uinta County page, in violation of USGenWeb requirements. The Wyoming State Coordinator is not only negligent in fixing/removing the links, but in guiding and overseeing of the county coordinators in her state. I find this to be grossly negligent. I feel that, with more than a year since you have first been appraised of the link situation by me, is more than patience enough. It is time for action. I request that you both step down immediately and let someone who cares take over. I am a former member of the GenWeb Projects and remain an avid user of the project. I know what kind of work and sometimes thankless job it can be, but I also know that by volunteering to do the job, you have agreed to do so to the best of you ability. Showing no effort at all in more than a year, more likely two years, is an effort that even my cat can attain. For the good of the Uinta County Project, the Wyoming State Project, and for the good reputation of the USGenWeb Project in general, please resign immediately! Very Sincerely, John McCoy cc: Isaiah Harrison(National Coordinator), Shari Handley (Representative At Large), Don Kelly (NW/Plains Region State Coordinator Representative), Gail Meyer Kilgore (NW/Plains CC Rep), Darilee Bednar (NW/Plains CC Rep), Suzanne Leonard (WY ASC) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing

FYI - This was sent to me for posting by one of the MI CC's, and since it is such an awesome and far reaching project, we thought you might all be interested: My library just posted the Hancock County Obituary Index online, just went live yesterday! Hancock County (Ohio) is a major hub for travelers west---the genealogy society has been working on this for over 20 years! http://www.findlaylibrary.org/ Hancock County Obituary Index The obituary file is an index to local records extracted from Findlay Newspapers and Hancock County Cemetery books covering the mid 1800s to the present. The database is maintained by the HCGS. Thank you, Carol Dunn WayneGenWeb

This is rather specialized, but perhaps it might be of use to someone out there... Bob Sullivan NYGenWeb SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haya Regev" <hayar@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL> To: <BGU-LIB@BGU.LISTSERV.AC.IL> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 1:55 AM Subject: [Fwd: Historic Hebrew Newspapers site] > > > > From: Elhanan Adler <elhanan@libnet.ac.il> > > Date: 2004/02/09 ב PM 12:33:42 GMT+05:30 > > To: IIRS-ASMI@LISTSERV.TAU.AC.IL > > Subject: Historic Hebrew Newspapers site > > > > The Jewish National and University Library, David and Fela Shapell > > Family Digitization Project, is pleased to announce the opening to the > > public of the Historic Hebrew Newspapers website at: > > http://jnul.huji.ac.il/dl/newspapers/ > > > > The aim of this site is to provide open access to images of the major > > titles of the early Hebrew press (19th and early 20th century). > > > > These newspapers contain a wealth of primary material on Diaspora and > > Land of Israel history of the period. Access to them has, until now, > > been limited to a small number of research libraries which held either > > the crumbling originals or microfilm copies. > > > > The first stage of the project, now completed, contains: > > > > Halevanon (1863-1886) 770 issues, approx. 7,200 pages. > > Hamagid (1856-1903) 2265 issues, approx. 19,500 pages. > > Havazelet (1863-1911) 1857 issues, approx. 14,200 pages. > > > > Each newspaper has indexes by common era date, Jewish calendar date > > and volume/issue numbers. Partial author and subject access is > > provided via an index created by Yad Ben-Zvi and computerized by > > the University of Haifa in the 1980's. This index has now been > > upgraded by the JNUL to a web version, and enhanced with links to the > > fulltext of each article. This index is limited, however, to Eretz > > Israel topics in these three newspapers. > > > > The runs of these journals are based primarily on the collection of the > > JNUL, with missing issues filled in with the help of other institutions > > and private collectors. A few issues are still missing or partial and we > > welcome the help of other institutions in filling these gaps (for > > a list of missing issues see > > http://jnul.huji.ac.il/dl/newspapers/missing-issues.htm) > > > > An additional three titles are currently being prepared for addition > > to the site: Hazefirah, Hazevi and Hameliz. > > > > The site itself is entirely in Hebrew. > > > > Technical information: > > > > Viewing the newspaper pages themselves requires the use of a special > > Java TIFF viewer which is downloaded automatically into your browser > > the first time you view an image. This software does not remain in > > your computer after you leave the site. The first time you access a > > newspaper image you will be asked to accept a digital certificate > > before the image viewer software, viewONE, is able to be used on your > > computer. Your browser must also be set for Java enabled. This viewer > > provides enhanced functionality such as the ability to zoom on > > the images, adjust brightness and print selected sections. > > > > Elhanan > > ##################################################################### > > # Elhanan Adler # > > # Deputy Director for Information Technology # > > # Jewish National and University Library # > > # P.O.B. 39105, Jerusalem 91390, Israel # > > # Email: elhanan@libnet.ac.il # > > # Tel.: 972-2-6585005, FAX: 972-2-6511771, Home tel.: 972-2-6515977 # > > # Mobile tel.: 972-66-829657 # > > ##################################################################### > > > > > > Dr. Haya Regev, librarian > Aranne Library > Ben Gurion University > P.O. Box 653 > Beer-Sheva 84105 Tel. 972-8-6461422 > ISRAEL Fax. 972-8-6472940 >

<<<The first issue of The USGenWeb NEWS has been distributed to over 1800 project members using a privately compiled address list. >>> This would explain why my newsletter came to mbyers@tngenweb.org and not to my private email that is on the new state list. I almost emailed Ellen to make sure I hadn't made a mistake :) Mari Byers Tennessee

The first issue of The USGenWeb NEWS has been distributed to over 1800 project members using a privately compiled address list. (except for ILGenWeb which was sent separately by the SC.) About 300 additional members will receive copies within the next few days as soon as outdated addresses and other non-delivery issues have been resolved. There have been... ...5 messages from people who are no longer members asking to be removed from the mailing list. ...6 messages from current members asking to be removed from the mailing list. ...15 messages from members who did not receive one asking for a copy. ...14 messages from members requesting address changes. ...6 congratulation (in addition to those posted publicly) and 4 suggestions for future articles. Once the bounces have been resolved, the newsletter will be archived at http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwpub/ Anyone who did not yet receive a copy or who does not want to receive future issues may write to me at USGenWebNews@cox.net Approval of the motion to allow use of the Official Membership List maintained by the Election Committee will result in a more comprehensive, efficient and accurate distribution of future issues -Isaiah

I didn't receive the newsletter that was sent out yesterday. This is most likely because my ISP's spam filter stopped it from coming through. This happened when my election information was sent out last year from the same place. I can suspend the spam filter when I know something is coming through that I need to have but will not do that for the newsletter since we don't seem to know when it's being sent out. There is no way to see what this particular spam filter is bouncing. It would have been nice if the SC's had had some prior warning on just when it was being sent. Does anyone know where the newsletters will be archived so that we can pass that information out to our state people in case they didn't receive it? Since I didn't receive it, I have no idea what it said about this. Connie

At 02:05 PM 2/2/2004 -0500, someone wrote: >Hi all, I got this from a visitor to USGenWeb Project sites > >In part -- >"Perhaps you can tell me why I can no longer go to the >USGenweb site and access State pages. When I highlight >the State that I am interested in a screen pops up >requiring me to create a folder on my hard drive ..." > > >I am pretty sure it is a brower setting, but I don't know how to explain it >so understood. It's definitely a browser setting. I don't get any such prompt, and I tried this out with a very current IE (6.0+) and with a very old Netscape (4.75) which is unforgiving of HTML or server shortcomings. Without information on the operating system, browser, and versions of each, it's going to be impossible to even make suggestions. Well, I take that back -- one can always clear the browser cache and history list and see if that fixes things. Otherwise, the visitor is going to need to supply some more information. It might be better if you refer him or her to a local technical resource. Regards, Elsi