from the Scout Report: > 12. The Atlantic Slave Trade and Slave Life in the Americas: A Visual Record > http://hitchcock.itc.virginia.edu/Slavery/ > > Funded by the Virginia Foundation for the Humanities (with technical > assistance from the Digital Media Lab at the University of Virginia Library) > this rather engaging collection of several hundred photographs offers ample > visual documentation of the Atlantic Slave Trade and the daily lives of > slaves in the Americas over a period of several centuries. The materials > presented here were selected by Jerome S. Handler, a senior fellow at the > Virginia Foundation for the Humanities, and ably assisted by Michael L. > Tuite, Jr., the head of the Digital Media Lab. The collection itself "is > envisioned as a tool and a resource that can be used by teachers, > researchers, students, and the general public." Visitors to the site may > search the entire archive by keyword, or by category. Some of the categories > include Marketing & Urban Scenes, Religion & Mortuary Practices, and Family > Life, Child Care, Schools. Each image is accompanied by a brief description > and, when available, information about each item's provenance. [KMG]

genweb.com is/was a genetics web site genweb.org is a genealogy site that the owner claims to have trademarked. Although he was unhappy about our jumping on his name (and stealing his logo), we have co-existed for 8 years biw. --- Susan W Pieroth <pieroth@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > One of my long standing arguments when people called > us the GenWeb was > to mention that it was trademarked and point them to > > http://www.genweb.com/ - I just looked and it's for > sale. > > I just thought I would mention it before someone > buys it that people > object to. > > Susan > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools

One of my long standing arguments when people called us the GenWeb was to mention that it was trademarked and point them to http://www.genweb.com/ - I just looked and it's for sale. I just thought I would mention it before someone buys it that people object to. Susan

Not that it's any of your business (and really it isn't), and not that I owe you or anyone else an explanation (because I don't), I will still give you this information: You mistakenly assume that Wyoming is like any of the other states. Wyoming isn't. The total population of the state is less than any metropolitan city in other states. Internet access, if you can believe this, is still not available to the vast majority of the state. Again, if you can believe this, almost all of the population lives in "rural" areas. Demograhics show that there is a high percentage (compared with other states) that do not have electricity or indoor toilets. I am talking about a very "rustic" state. Priorities for the population do not include buying computers or doing genealogy; but to buy feed for their cattle. Most counties do not have a genealogical society, most only have a county historical society (also staffed by volunteers) and most of the records, if even available, have not been transcribed in hard form, let alone in electronic form. Most of the newspapers in the state do not have a website. The largest city in the state is Cheyenne, and! last I checked, only has a population of 45,000. Most of the state is desert and sage brush, wild antelope and wild horses. It is NOT unusual for some of the counties to go for very long periods without even an email from any researcher. What I'm telling you is that it is NOT unusual for some of the counties to have NO needed updates for very long periods of time. So I don't get all hot and bothered if a website has been updated for a long time. About half of my counties are unadopted. These are the counties with no internet access providers and even less population. When I do have a volunteer who is willing to 'mind the store' a litttle bit, I'm happy to turn the website over to them. The situation with Uinta is that the cc had already taken two other websites, and agreed to watch Unita for me, at my request, since this cc already had the other two adjoining counties. You can check the "visitor" counter on some of the websites and see that the websites don't even get very many "hits." This is particularly significant when you consider how long those websites have been up and running. As far as complaints about anything happening, or not happening, about the WyGenWeb, I have no patience for people who want to complain, but not volunteer. I have no patience with those who demand action FROM a volunteer. The correct response from these folks is, "how can I help?" or "I see this or that website hasn't been updated for quite awhile, is there anything I can do to help?" And finally, I think it is important to realize that people have lives outside the USGenWeb. Computers get viruses, emails are lost. (Until I got some anti-viral software), I lost the entire contents of my hard drive on two occasions within the last two years. If people don't follow-up, I couldn't get back to them. My company has transferred me three times within the last 6 months, requiring a new addy each time, and quite, frankly, after working 16 hour days 7 days a week for the last year, updating the WyGenWeb hasn't been high on my priority list. The general attitude of Wyomingites is don't mess with my gun, hunting dog, horse or spouse (not necessarily in that order, but that's pretty close to the right order anyway). I might add 'don't mess with my property' also, which includes websites. Now I think that everyone here can agree that their state has unique differences from any other state. Wyoming is no exception. I have outlined some aspects of running the WyGenWeb. There are several other factors that contribute to slow responses and missed links, and slow updates. Falling into the "other" category is the fact that all of us in the WyGenWeb have been in the project for a number of years. If we take a knee-jerk response or attitude to attacks or imagined attacks, you can find the "roots" of those attitudes in the general history of the USGenWeb. We've had "volunteers" who only wanted a website in the WyGenWeb so they could ram down our throats their particular viewpoint concerning the "politics" in the USGenWeb. Some of those events has caused all of us in the WyGenWeb to just keep a low profile and not get involved in whatever the current hysteria may be. For those reasons, I don't think we can blame anyone in the project for letting 'their horse ru! n wild' and find it a little difficult to rein in their emotions. Unfortunately, this project has a long history of people who want to mind someone else's business. And this attitude is anathema to anyone living in Wyoming! Some of you remind me of bosses I've had on "real" jobs. They are quick to cirticize and demand that something be done, but real slow on compliments, support, caring, and seeking honest answers or solutions, because the only "acceptable" performance is that nothing ever been found lacking or in error. No recognition for service already rendered, no meeting of human to human, just a robotic and bloodless demand that everything be perfect, while being perfectly ignorant of the special circumstances of each employee or situation. Now you say that four years is a little long for not having an update. Ok, fair enough. Give me a few good cc's that are willing to stay and do research, maintain my websites, NOT be engaged in politics within our WyGenWeb (we have a specific WyGenWeb bylaw prohibiting such activity, requiring only that cc's maintain their website and not do "politics" in our state), cc's who are willing to transcribe records, keep links unbroken, etc. The WyGenW! eb also has a policy that any cc must have strong roots (not just an occasional ancestor) in our state, OR currently living in the state. As the SC, I'm usually just grateful that everyone answers roll call or that the addy I have doesn't bounce. This is how the WyGenWeb has been since its creation. In typical Wyoming fashion, you get to pushing people, and they'll just dig their heels in deeper (no surprise that I'd not fix a broken link just for the pure onery of it!) As I started this long diatribe, I don't believe I owe anyone an explanation. But, I've given it anyway. I look for some understanding, and to state the state's viewpoint on this. To clean up another couple of questions: I'm "Youda Youda." When I installed Windows, that's what I put, because I don't like my name automatically inserted, or harvested by hackers. If the pseudonym bothers you, then don't answer any of my emails (chances are that won't break my heart anyway). If you want daily review of emails from the USGenWeb, then get some solution to the SPAM problem on the USGenWeb main website! Otherwise, you can expect to hear from me when I have time to slog through the crap emails and requests for me (a female) to buy Viagra online and to visit any number of websites where I can view "pu$$y." (Sorry if that offends you; it offends me too which is why I have to get really motivated to sort through these emails). And I *know* they are USGenWeb harvested because the Yahoo addy is only used for USGenWeb activities! If you want to have a USGenWeb website police, expect resistance from the WyGenWeb. For a volunteer organization, you start pushing us with demands and ultimatums, you can except Wyoming to succeed from the Union! This kind of thing is typical of the attitudes in the USGenWeb that we regularly try to avoid! Instead of mutual respect and support, the USGenWeb has a long history of punitive and Machiavellian tactics. To those, I say, GET A LIFE! As for putting a "good face" to visitors, I say this: we are a volunteer organization, not a commercial enterprise. We provide genealogical and historical information as we have time, as a HOBBY! If websites aren't perfect for those visitors who are getting FREE and EASY access to information without the bother of doing REAL research from PRIMARY documents, then tough cookies! I'd say, that the WyGenWeb is a FREE service and STARTING point for researchers, and if anyone believes that research is accomplished from your computer, then they better get to some classes on how to do REAL research! If the broken link offends them, then I really don't care! Get out from behind the computer, and go to the country courthouse, and stop expecting the WyGenWeb to do research *for* them. Again, I repeat, this is a VOLUNTEER organization! Here's some simple facts for the Machiavellian folks: Rootsweb accounts belong to whoever has those accounts. Ya just ain't gonna get our websites or cooperation unless you approach us with a little different attitude. If you can't figure out what that attitude is, then I guess we'll just have to pray for you, cuz you're a lost cause. Now I think I've wasted quite enough baudwidth on this subject, and wasted quite enough time. A note saying, "Hey, Carol! Haven't heard from you for awhile. Are you OK, everything going OK? Can we PLEASE get the old links fixed?" would have done wonders for getting what you wanted from me! But emails to various people in the USGenWeb and ultimatums just is a "burr under my saddle." If that attitude seems "immature" to anyone, then I just have to say that why did you respond with a character attack instead of a genuine concern for ME as a person? Wouldn't it be a little more positive and productive to have approached me differently? And if the concern was so great, then why only write me twice in two years? (see the information about losing the contents of my hard drive above . . . DUH! Doesn't some *other* causes ever enter anyone's mind except "dereliction of duty?" Oh PA-LLEEEEZE! This attitude makes me want to put a rattlesnack in your bedroll!) Heck! With all the time I've wasted dealing with this crap, I could've had time to update the links some of you are so worried about. The horse is going back to the stable now. You all have fun. Get on to your next assassination, whether from web police, volunteers, or those who get their kicks from finding fault in others. Carol Gail Meyer Kilgore <gkilgore@globalcrossing.net> wrote: Who demanded your resignation, NOT an AB MEMBER and who demanded your CC to resign, NOT an AB member, I think if you read the email correctly before you blew the lid off your head, you would see that it was a recearcher searching in your state of Wyoming who sent the email and included the Regional Director's as copied. But as a CC Rep for the region, it tells me two things. 1. You don't read your email very often and you never answer emails sent to you as the SC for WY, which is part of your job description. 2. You haven't done your job as an SC or none of your counties would be showing a 2000 as the last time accessed. Yes, we are volunteers but 4 years... It is called County Reviews, when was the last time WY held a review? That is also part of your job description as SC of any state. 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Suzanne - I am sad for your loss. Let us know if there is anything we can do to help - R/S MAK WI ASC > From: "Suzanne Leonard" <sleonard@wyoming.com> ===== MAKTranscriber - http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiwood http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiportag http://www.rootsweb.com/~wimonroe __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools

At 07:02 PM 2/21/2004 -0700, Gail wrote: >I don't think John sent his email to every one under the sun. He sent it to >the ASC of WY since the SC wouldn't answer him and he sent it to the >Regional Directors. Now, excuse me, but I don't think we are everyone under >the sun. Pardon the exaggeration. He only sent it to the WY State Coordinator, four Advisory Board members, the National Coordinator, and someone with the email address dagwood@tdn.com. I don't know who or what the Regional Directors are, but if you say he sent something to them, then I guess he did. Ellen Ref: From: John McCoy To: dagwood@tdn.com ; wygenweb@yahoo.com Cc: gkilgore@globalcrossing.net ; donkelly@grovenet.net ; bookstorelady@prodigy.net ; IsaiahH@cox.net ; srh@tyaskin.com Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 5:30 PM Subject: Wyoming GenWeb and Uinta County GenWeb Projects >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ellen Pack" <e.j.pack@natchezbelle.org> >To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 12:29 PM >Subject: RE: [STATE-COORD] Wyoming > > > > Have to say, I'm with Carol on this one. > > > > Look at what happened. > > > > A former (possibly disgruntled) USGW member writes a very unpleasant note > > to everyone under the sun demanding a SC steps down. It never ceases to > > amaze me how those who get things for free would complain the most and the > > loudest. > > > > An AB member says, "I hope we hear from the WY SC or the ASC on this >matter > > so nothing else from the Region has to be done." > > Probably not meant as a threat, but sure could be mistaken for one. > > > > And all this happening at the time the AB is looking into the formation of > > an "oversight" committee to keep tabs on the states. What is anyone to >think? > > > > Carol is 100% correct. We are all volunteers here, and life sometimes gets > > in the way. Which one of us has the perfect state? > > > > As for the CCs who sometimes fall down on the job, maybe...just > > maybe...there are sometimes perfectly good reasons. Maybe there are things > > that only the SC knows or understands. > > > > Yep, I think I would be furious, too. I've never known a volunteer > > organization that's so hard, demanding, and unforgiving of it's workers. > > > > Ellen Pack > > MS SC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:02 PM 2/21/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > >Carol, > > > > > >whooo.... coral them horses up! Step back and take a deep breath. We >all > > >get complaints from time to time. I sure didn't see anything that has >been > > >posted to the list by Board Members about doing anything about you or a >CC. > > > > > >I can understand the guys point about the broken link to GenConnect, > > >GenConnect died in June of 2001 and it is February of 2004. I don't >recall > > >when the redirects to the Message Boards died but it has been some time >ago. > > >This is an issue that I've delt with and continue to do so with the > > >WorldGenWeb. We need to put our best impression forward. > > > > > >Nathan > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Youda Youda [mailto:wygenweb@yahoo.com] > > >Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 1:31 PM > > >To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: [STATE-COORD] Wyoming > > > > > > > > >And now that I'm in a fighting mood, and sorry to make you all stomach > > >another email from someone griping . . . > > > > > >I really MUST say, that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES will ANYONE, EVER again > > >contact one of my CC's demanding that they step down without going >through > > >ME FIRST! > > > > > >Get that imprinted on your foreheads, cuz that is totally unacceptable >and I > > >will not tolerate it without making a fuss like this project has never >seen > > >before (and that is saying a lot, as you know). > > > > > >You folks that believe the AB abuses their authority, take note! This is >an > > >incident that canNOT be tolerated under any circumstance! NO ONE has the > > >right to demand or make ultimatums to a cc without going through the SC > > >first!!!!! Commendeering passwords and demanding things of a cc before > > >releasing a password to their OWN website without contacting the SC first >is > > >such a blatant over-step in this project as to defy any other issue that >has > > >EVER been brought to this forum, or any other, in the past! > > > > > >I will fight for my CC's. Get that. Don't EVER, EVER do this to another > > >one of my CC's or any other in this project, or I will demand YOUR > > >resignation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 > > > > > >Carol > > >STILL THE SC OF WYOMING

Suzanne, please accept my condolences and the condolences of the IAGenWeb Leadership Team and County Coordinators. Gail --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.592 / Virus Database: 375 - Release Date: 2/18/2004

My deepest sympathy on the loss of your husband, Suzanne. ~Lee S. King ASC North Dakota

While it's not a perfect solution, many of us in the KYGenWeb Project have been using the Email Registry for well over a year now. The Registry was originally started by Nancy Trice, the former SC of the KYGenWeb Project. The original purpose was to make it easier on the CCs and archivists when someone changed their email address and requested that it be changed on the files they'd submitted to any of the projects. The "short and sweet" explanation is that everyone that participates will receive a registry ID number (a coded link) that you'll use on files that you submit or on webpages instead of putting your email address directly on them. The ID number is linked to your email address on the registry page, but all other pages are linked to the registry page. That way, if an email address needs to be updated, there's only the one page (the registry site) that has to be updated and all of the places that you've used the Registry ID code are automatically updated because they're linked to the original. One of the other benefits of the Registry is that many of us have seen a definite drop in the amount of spam that we're receiving since there's only the one place to harvest the email address. You can find out more about the Registry at http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/. Anyone is eligible to participate... CCs and archivists can also request Registry IDs for others that are submitting files to their sites. To actually see the Registry in action, click on my Registry ID below. Sherri Hall SC, KYGenWeb My Registry ID is http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/vols/00001.html#0000051 ************************************ Earlier today Carol wrote: If you don't want people to "hide-out" from the crap associated with having an email address on your mail pages (easily collected from the spam robots) then perhaps you could come up with a solution, such as using graphics with links instead of email addresses for everyone.

Suzanne, You also have my deepest condolences on the passing of your husband. I'm so very sorry. Mari Byers-SC TNGenWeb Project

> Showing no effort at all in more than a year, more likely two years, is an effort that even my cat can attain. About all I can say is-- I'd like to see this guy's cat!!!! I'm not sure why this guy wrote last year, then waited a year or so before writing again??? I hope he doesn't go asking every CC & SC with broken links to resign. Wow, I'll be a goner for sure!! I'm glad to fix broken links though--I dont' want my visitors to be disappointed, & I want them to keep coming back. Bettie <>< -- Life is short. . Make Fun of it!!

I don't think John sent his email to every one under the sun. He sent it to the ASC of WY since the SC wouldn't answer him and he sent it to the Regional Directors. Now, excuse me, but I don't think we are everyone under the sun. Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Pack" <e.j.pack@natchezbelle.org> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 12:29 PM Subject: RE: [STATE-COORD] Wyoming > Have to say, I'm with Carol on this one. > > Look at what happened. > > A former (possibly disgruntled) USGW member writes a very unpleasant note > to everyone under the sun demanding a SC steps down. It never ceases to > amaze me how those who get things for free would complain the most and the > loudest. > > An AB member says, "I hope we hear from the WY SC or the ASC on this matter > so nothing else from the Region has to be done." > Probably not meant as a threat, but sure could be mistaken for one. > > And all this happening at the time the AB is looking into the formation of > an "oversight" committee to keep tabs on the states. What is anyone to think? > > Carol is 100% correct. We are all volunteers here, and life sometimes gets > in the way. Which one of us has the perfect state? > > As for the CCs who sometimes fall down on the job, maybe...just > maybe...there are sometimes perfectly good reasons. Maybe there are things > that only the SC knows or understands. > > Yep, I think I would be furious, too. I've never known a volunteer > organization that's so hard, demanding, and unforgiving of it's workers. > > Ellen Pack > MS SC > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:02 PM 2/21/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >Carol, > > > >whooo.... coral them horses up! Step back and take a deep breath. We all > >get complaints from time to time. I sure didn't see anything that has been > >posted to the list by Board Members about doing anything about you or a CC. > > > >I can understand the guys point about the broken link to GenConnect, > >GenConnect died in June of 2001 and it is February of 2004. I don't recall > >when the redirects to the Message Boards died but it has been some time ago. > >This is an issue that I've delt with and continue to do so with the > >WorldGenWeb. We need to put our best impression forward. > > > >Nathan > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Youda Youda [mailto:wygenweb@yahoo.com] > >Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 1:31 PM > >To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [STATE-COORD] Wyoming > > > > > >And now that I'm in a fighting mood, and sorry to make you all stomach > >another email from someone griping . . . > > > >I really MUST say, that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES will ANYONE, EVER again > >contact one of my CC's demanding that they step down without going through > >ME FIRST! > > > >Get that imprinted on your foreheads, cuz that is totally unacceptable and I > >will not tolerate it without making a fuss like this project has never seen > >before (and that is saying a lot, as you know). > > > >You folks that believe the AB abuses their authority, take note! This is an > >incident that canNOT be tolerated under any circumstance! NO ONE has the > >right to demand or make ultimatums to a cc without going through the SC > >first!!!!! Commendeering passwords and demanding things of a cc before > >releasing a password to their OWN website without contacting the SC first is > >such a blatant over-step in this project as to defy any other issue that has > >EVER been brought to this forum, or any other, in the past! > > > >I will fight for my CC's. Get that. Don't EVER, EVER do this to another > >one of my CC's or any other in this project, or I will demand YOUR > >resignation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 > > > >Carol > >STILL THE SC OF WYOMING > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Do you Yahoo!? > >New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.592 / Virus Database: 375 - Release Date: 2/18/2004

Oh, and thank Carol, now all the AB knows about John's email to the Regional Directors as well as the NC and ALL the State Coordinators, Assistant State Coordinators. You just advised them is such a polite way. Since we didn't hear anymore from John except a thank you, we didn't take John's email to the AB or the NC. Gail --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.592 / Virus Database: 375 - Release Date: 2/18/2004

Corral the horse, I think it is called, clean up the stalls. Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Zipfel" <nzipfel@zoominternet.net> To: <STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: RE: [STATE-COORD] Wyoming > Carol, > > whooo.... coral them horses up! Step back and take a deep breath. We all > get complaints from time to time. I sure didn't see anything that has been > posted to the list by Board Members about doing anything about you or a CC. > > I can understand the guys point about the broken link to GenConnect, > GenConnect died in June of 2001 and it is February of 2004. I don't recall > when the redirects to the Message Boards died but it has been some time ago. > This is an issue that I've delt with and continue to do so with the > WorldGenWeb. We need to put our best impression forward. > > Nathan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Youda Youda [mailto:wygenweb@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 1:31 PM > To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [STATE-COORD] Wyoming > > > And now that I'm in a fighting mood, and sorry to make you all stomach > another email from someone griping . . . > > I really MUST say, that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES will ANYONE, EVER again > contact one of my CC's demanding that they step down without going through > ME FIRST! > > Get that imprinted on your foreheads, cuz that is totally unacceptable and I > will not tolerate it without making a fuss like this project has never seen > before (and that is saying a lot, as you know). > > You folks that believe the AB abuses their authority, take note! This is an > incident that canNOT be tolerated under any circumstance! NO ONE has the > right to demand or make ultimatums to a cc without going through the SC > first!!!!! Commendeering passwords and demanding things of a cc before > releasing a password to their OWN website without contacting the SC first is > such a blatant over-step in this project as to defy any other issue that has > EVER been brought to this forum, or any other, in the past! > > I will fight for my CC's. Get that. Don't EVER, EVER do this to another > one of my CC's or any other in this project, or I will demand YOUR > resignation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 > > Carol > STILL THE SC OF WYOMING > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.592 / Virus Database: 375 - Release Date: 2/18/2004

Who demanded your resignation, NOT an AB MEMBER and who demanded your CC to resign, NOT an AB member, I think if you read the email correctly before you blew the lid off your head, you would see that it was a recearcher searching in your state of Wyoming who sent the email and included the Regional Director's as copied. But as a CC Rep for the region, it tells me two things. 1. You don't read your email very often and you never answer emails sent to you as the SC for WY, which is part of your job description. 2. You haven't done your job as an SC or none of your counties would be showing a 2000 as the last time accessed. Yes, we are volunteers but 4 years... It is called County Reviews, when was the last time WY held a review? That is also part of your job description as SC of any state. Gail --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.592 / Virus Database: 375 - Release Date: 2/18/2004

At 05:56 PM 2/21/2004 -0700, you wrote: >"And under what authority do you have to request anyone's removal? >So very sorry there is a broken link. OMG! The sky is falling." > >The link wasn't broke...the site was non-existant, and had been >non-existant for more than a year. To add to that, it was a link to post >queries and surnames, something required by the GenWeb Bylaws. I would >say a year is real neglegence. > >What authority? Now, that is the kind of response I like to have from a >someone who cares about their project!!! That's it, don't address the >problem, attack me. That shows how much you care about the project! I >have spent many years as a volunteer with the U.S. GenWeb Project, and >altough I am no longer with the project, I can recognize when a volunteer >does not give a rip about their website. I have been trying for two years >to get the Wyoming SC and the Uinta CC to reply to my requests. I have - >up to now - been polite and courteous. Having been a volunteer, I know >that is appreciated. Aren't you "Youda Youda" the same person that just >sent me a nice little note thanking me for the kind words that I had to >say about your county website? I sent the the note on Feb. 2, 2004. You >thanked me today. A little slow, but still not bad. Then you turn around >and attack me because I asked a state SC to step down for not doing her >job? She has neglected her state pages ! >and her cc's for more than a year that I can tell. The cc of Uinta County >could not even get her to respond and give him a password so he could >update his county. I am the one that gave him a suggestion of who to >contact with the USGenWeb Project to get his password. > >No, I truly respect and appreciate the majority of volunteers who care and >take care of their websites. I have no use for someone who volunteers, >then abandons their project. Someone who never responds to their email, >and of course, those who choose to attack the messenger rather than >address the issue. BTW, I am not afraid to use my name...how about you >Youda Youda? > >John McCoy Hello John- Well, I think it's time for you to calm down a bit. The problem you referred to has been taken care of.. If in the future you discover other problems on USGenWeb County Sites and don't get a response when you write to the CC or SC, just write to me or another AB member. It's not necessary to become irate or make threats...just outline the problem. BTW, I didn't receive, and I don't think any other AB members received, the message you sent on January 26. We only found out about it when it appeared on a list this morning. I believe we all want The USGenWeb Project to be the best project of its kind on the Internet. I will continue to do what I can to make that possible, and I hope you will, too. -Isaiah Isaiah Harrison National Coordinator The USGenWeb Project

At 04:28 PM 2/21/2004 -0800, you wrote: >First my apologies to the AB. I mistakenly, and unforgiveably assumed >that this John-whoever was on the AB. That puts a differently slant on >*some* of this. > >But, there is still the question about the cc's website. I still maintain >that NO ONE has the right to take an "apparently" abandoned website away >from the cc without first checking with the SC. You're correct...and it's more than just "checking with the SC." Before the AB would even consider taking direct action they would make a concerted effort to work with and through the SC to resolve the problem. It's been my experience that most problems are quickly handled just by letting the SC know about them. >That didn't happen. The cc was threatened with the loss of his website >and NOTHING was said to me about it. The first I knew was when I was >catching up on email this morning and got his note asking WHY he had been >asked to resign and that he was working with an AB member (name with-held) >to keep the website. At least the person used to be on the AB, maybe >they've moved on. Now, no matter how you slice it, that isn't >right. Maybe I still don't have all the facts. I've asked my cc to >forward all emails to me on this matter. When I get them, if they say >what I've been told, there's gonna me some bucking and hissing from this pony! I didn't get any message from John McCoy and don't have any idea who he is. If he used to be on the AB, it's longer ago than I can remember. I also am not aware of any duties or privileges former AB members have. > Do you really think that I didn't notice for four years that a website > hadn't been updated? I know more about this than anyone who wants to > criticize or complain. Unfortunately, no one asked ME before giving > grief to one of my cc's. > >If it's "immature" to leave a broken link, then I'll be immature. Since >I'm getting way too old to think that "immature" is a bad thing, I am not >the least offended, because if I still retain something of my youth in my >declining years, then it will make up for the sagging and grey hairs. I didn't say you were "immature," I said purposefully leaving up a broken link was inappropriate. I stand by that statement. > If you want something from someone or want them to do something, don't > put threats on it if you're talking to me. > >Carol I don't think I've made any threats and I don't intend to. If anything I've said sounded threatening, my apologies. It certainly wasn't meant to sound that way. -Isaiah

Suzanne, I am so sorry that you have had to experience all this with the loss of your husband. Family is always more important than hobbies or genealogy. I would have done the same. Please accept my condolences on your loss. Jan Cortez ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne Leonard" <sleonard@wyoming.com> > This is probably my fault. I received the following email from John McCoy > on Feb 2. That morning the nurse called me from the hospital where my > husband had been since Dec 19. I spent the last 2 days of my husband's life > (he died Feb 4) at the hospital. Since then there has been much to do, and > Wyoming GenWeb was pretty far down on my list. > > But I really don't care what any of you think. I'll take 2 days with my > husband over a lifetime of bitching any day. > > Suzanne > CC Sheridan Co WY > ASC Wyoming

I can also assure you as well that there hasn't been any discussion. Today, on this list, is the first I've heard anything about this. Jan Cortez NE/NC CC Rep ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phyllis Rippee" <wchs@getgoin.net> > I can assure everyone that there has been NO discussion among all AB members > in regard to WYGenWeb. > Now....while this ol' Missouri Mule doesn't like bucking broncos <g>, I > would like to know if any AB member has suggested/threatened any course of > action to be taken against either the SC of WY, or any CC of WY? > > Phyllis Rippee > SW/SC CC Representative > >

First my apologies to the AB. I mistakenly, and unforgiveably assumed that this John-whoever was on the AB. That puts a differently slant on *some* of this. But, there is still the question about the cc's website. I still maintain that NO ONE has the right to take an "apparently" abandoned website away from the cc without first checking with the SC. That didn't happen. The cc was threatened with the loss of his website and NOTHING was said to me about it. The first I knew was when I was catching up on email this morning and got his note asking WHY he had been asked to resign and that he was working with an AB member (name with-held) to keep the website. At least the person used to be on the AB, maybe they've moved on. Now, no matter how you slice it, that isn't right. Maybe I still don't have all the facts. I've asked my cc to forward all emails to me on this matter. When I get them, if they say what I've been told, there's gonna me some bucking and hissing from this pony! Do you really think that I didn't notice for four years that a website hadn't been updated? I know more about this than anyone who wants to criticize or complain. Unfortunately, no one asked ME before giving grief to one of my cc's. If it's "immature" to leave a broken link, then I'll be immature. Since I'm getting way too old to think that "immature" is a bad thing, I am not the least offended, because if I still retain something of my youth in my declining years, then it will make up for the sagging and grey hairs. If you want something from someone or want them to do something, don't put threats on it if you're talking to me. Carol Isaiah Harrison <IsaiahH@cox.net> wrote: I just visited the Unita County site and was happy to see that the page was updated on February 8 and the queries link now takes visitors to the Ancestry.com message boards. I, too, knew nothing about this situation until I saw Carol's messages to this list today. While I can understand John McCoy's frustration, his letter was inappropriate in both it's tone and content. It's equally inappropriate to threaten to leave broken links or bad information on a website just because one person behaved inappropriately. It doesn't help our visitors find the information they're looking for and it doesn't enhance the reputation of The USGenWeb Project or the State or County sites. Sometimes things fall through the cracks and updates don't get made as quickly or thoroughly as possible. I've seen my share of letters from disgruntled visitors to my site. The best thing for The Project is to set egos aside, fix the problem and move on. -Isaiah --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing