Hi, I sent the information you required immediately after I received your notice to this list -- I guess you didn't get it. Joan On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Sherri <[email protected]> wrote: > Joan, > > All passwords were changed, as I indicated in my last message.  The new ones > will be sent when I get the required information - that a virus scan and > spyware/malware scan were completed and the IP address of the CC.  You can > find out your IP address by going to http://whatismyip.com.  The IP address > will be presented in very large type at the top of the page. > > I realize that some Project members have dynamic IP addresses.  We can deal > with that, but you DO have to send the IP address or you won't get ftp > access back.  This is being done as enhanced security of ALL of the sites. > > Sherri >

Joan, All passwords were changed, as I indicated in my last message. The new ones will be sent when I get the required information - that a virus scan and spyware/malware scan were completed and the IP address of the CC. You can find out your IP address by going to http://whatismyip.com. The IP address will be presented in very large type at the top of the page. I realize that some Project members have dynamic IP addresses. We can deal with that, but you DO have to send the IP address or you won't get ftp access back. This is being done as enhanced security of ALL of the sites. Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of JLA Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 12:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [STATE-COORD] Update on usgenweb sites please? Could we have an update on when FTP service will be restored to the usgenweb sites so we can go back to updating our pages? Thanks, Joan Asche Assistant State Coordinator Ohio ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could we have an update on when FTP service will be restored to the usgenweb sites so we can go back to updating our pages? Thanks, Joan Asche Assistant State Coordinator Ohio

Good morning Jan and Happy New Year. Sorry I joined the discussion late. What's the old saying - cutting off your nose to spite your face? Something like that? Anyway, I found one of my entire cemeteries on Find A Grave with all of my notes included. I diligently perused each photo to make sure they were mine, right down to the blades of grass. Every one of them had this lady's name on them. Funny that she had written to me asking permission and I had told her no, but there they were. So I joined F.A.G. just so I could post. When I went to her profile she had many thanks from people about her contributions. So I posted a message saying that all of the photos had been stolen from my website and reminded her of copyright laws. I also told her what I think of people that steal others work and put their name on it. She was so embarrassed, all of the photos came down immediately, and I received 6 messages thanking ME for doing the work and posting the data to MY website. Bottom line, go ahead and join, just so you have posting rights, and let people know when your work has been stolen. When other people realize that they will be caught, maybe this stealing will cease. Karen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jan Cortez Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Your Guidance is Requested - Cemetery Photos Personally, I wouldn't give FAG the time of day. I browsed their website a few days ago to find that many of my cemetery transcriptions have been copied from the MI Archives and/or my websites. The one I am VERY positive of, because it is not only a transcription, but also research that I did on death certificates noting persons buried there that did not have stones. 1560 of them. No mention of the original person - ME - who went out and did all the work. NOPE - it all belongs to one of their top 50 contributors. Now, if I sat on my butt every day and took all the transcriptions off from others websites, I could be the #1 contributor to FAG. NOT! First of all, let me say that I know that dates and names are not copyrightable. So, that is not the point, however, if they can copy all my work, does that mean it is open season on all their transcriptions that I can copy to my websites? I probably wouldn't have given it much thought other than FAG stirred up such a stink over some work we had on the MI Tombstone Project saying that we stole their work and put it on our website. The guy who contributed it to us after he sent it to FAG was all upset and I finally just removed it. I managed to get the email of the guy who took my work and told him what I thought, but, unless I become a member of FAG, I can't write them and tell them what I think. And ya know what - it will be a sorry day in you know where before I ever become a member of that organization. Definitely ticked here. <sigh> Jan

I thought it would be interesting to see where the various state projects have ended up over the past year, so I took a look. Below is a brief summary of what I found. Some of these web hosting providers are massive, while others appear to be very small. In a few cases, a single account seems to be shared between more than one state. In other cases, a state seems to have more than a single account with their web hosting provider, but most appear to be running on a single account. Of course, there are many counties in many states still running on Rootsweb, whether or not the state pages are running there. Any of you that would like more details, just yell. I'd be very interested in hearing from anyone who is pleased or displeased with the experience they have had at their current web hosting provider. Performance is very difficult to evaluate, but I took a quick stab at network performance (that is from my location in central Utah on a Comcast connection to those servers that would allow pings and traceroutes). Pings are often prioritized lower than real work, so on an overloaded server or network they can get erratic, but they are an easy way to do a simple test. The Rootsweb and U of Kansas Servers didn't allow this test as they don't respond to ping. The best network performance came from Dream Host and Rackspace. (in the 60 to low 70 millisecond range for a ping) The majority of the servers responded consistently in the mid 70s through the mid 80s. The worst network performance came from the following web host providers, all of them consistently in the 100+ range. KBANet, Bizland, Access Genealogy, AT&T, USGENNET and Virtacore. USGENNET was unusually erratic today ranging from 62 to 300 plus. Mind you, I have no way of knowing if these network timings are "normal" or if something unusual was happening today. I'm scheming up a way to get a better set of numbers and if I pull that off I will let you all know. Mike St. Clair SC - Idaho Now the Summary of Current State Hosting Arrangements as of 30 December 2009 Remaining at Rootsweb: 8 Alaska Maine Minnesota Missouri (but just over half of the counties have moved to mogenweb.org on Bluehost) New Jersey New York Rhode Island Utah IX Webhosting (ECommerce): 14 Arkansas Delaware District of Columbia Hawaii Illinois Kentucky Maryland Mississippi Montana Nevada New Mexico South Dakota Washington Wisconsin BlueHost: 12 Arizona California Colorado Florida Idaho Michigan Missouri (majority of counties, but state pages are on Rootsweb) North Carolina Oklahoma Oklahoma/Indian Territory Virginia West Virginia GoDaddy: 3 Louisiana Nebraska North Dakota Active Webhosting: 2 Pennsylvania Texas Access Genealogy: 2 Alabama Oregon Rackspace or Clients of Rackspace: 2 Georgia South Carolina KBANet: 2 National Ohio Others - no more than one state per hosting company: 9 Connecticut (Bizland) Indiana (Dream Host) Iowa (Virtacore or a client of theirs) Kansas (University of Kansas) Massachusetts (Bravenet) New Hampshire (Roots Quest) Tennessee (USGENNET) Vermont (AT&T) Wyoming (Client of Layered Technologies)

Hi Mike, Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. Martha

"So how did they just happen to get a photo of it?" The image was uploaded by somebody to FindAGrave. Under the image it will say: Added by: and a link will be available. Clicking on that link will take you to a profile page with contact information. Why not ask this person how they got a image of a memorial stored in your backyard? If there is no profile or contact information you can certainly lodge a compliant with the site itself. Best Wishes, Joan Asche On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Mike & Diane <[email protected]> wrote: > I totally agree with you Jan. I do have some FAG contributors that send me > duplicate photos first then upload them to FAG. > However, I went to FAG looking for a clarification on a name someone was > looking for and found a photo of my own fathers headstone on their site > which # 1 I did not give them permission to use, # 2, the stone hasn't even > been set in the cemetery as yet! It is sitting in my backyard and I know I > haven't given anyone permission to come in my backyard to take a photo of it >  It can't be seen unless you walk in my yard around the back of the house > around the porch and uncover it from the tarps it is under. So how did they > just happen to get a photo of it? They swiped that one for sure! There are > some definite thieves that work on FAG, now mind you, there are some great > people that volunteer there, I have a few that go out and take duplicate > photos of the headstones in the cemeteries so that they can send me a set > for the counties I maintain and they can upload a different set to FAG, that > way they don't break FAG's copyright violations, but when I saw the photo of > my father's headstone on there I went ballistic. I personally won't send FAG > anything and wouldn't P on them if they were on fire at this point. > JMHO, > Diane >

The individual who uploaded your images did so without your consent and you have a legitimate grievance. >From the FAQ: Someone posted my copyrighted photos! How can I get them removed or get them properly credited? It is a violation of Find A Grave policy to post such photos. There is a link to this policy on every single content page at the Find A Grave website. As you probably know, having a policy is one thing, but enforcing it can be exceedingly difficult. Once an image is posted anywhere on the internet, many people believe it is 'free game' for them to take and use as they wish. Physically (or electronically) preventing this is an impossible challenge because anything that can be viewed on a screen can be captured and reused. That leaves us with a policy, which we clearly state and enforce when violations are brought to our attention. Users who have posted copyrighted material will be sent a warning. Repeat offenders of our copyright policy will have their account suspended. If you find any copyright abuses posted by Find A Grave users, please report them by sending us an email with a link to the photo(s). We respect copyright laws as well as the ethics of 'giving credit where credit is due'. Please let us know if you would prefer to have your photos removed or simply transferred to your Find A Grave account. If you prefer to have them transferred please be sure to include the email address associated with your account if it is different from the address you are writing from (don't forget to include a link to the photo). If you do not have a Find A Grave account and would like one, we can create one for you and transfer the photo credits to the new account. Email: [email protected] I would like to encourage you to take your complaint to the source. Email: [email protected] Mail: Find A Grave PO Box 522107 Salt Lake City, UT 84152-2107 Sincerely, Joan On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Jan Cortez <[email protected]> wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JLA" <[email protected]> >> If I learned one thing about the Internet it's this: if you don't want >> it copied then don't upload it. > > I don't mind my work being copied, but, hey give credit where credit is due. > As fas as I am concerned FAG is open season for copying everything they have > in the way of transcriptions.  I'd hazard a guess they wouldn't like it any > more than I do if I took all the transcriptions I could get from there and > posted them all on my websites and called it my own work.  As long as they > allow that I won't give them anything that I do, other than what their > contributors steal from my websites and call their own.  And, I do call that > theft when they claim it's their own. > > Jan > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- From: "JLA" <[email protected]> > If I learned one thing about the Internet it's this: if you don't want > it copied then don't upload it. I don't mind my work being copied, but, hey give credit where credit is due. As fas as I am concerned FAG is open season for copying everything they have in the way of transcriptions. I'd hazard a guess they wouldn't like it any more than I do if I took all the transcriptions I could get from there and posted them all on my websites and called it my own work. As long as they allow that I won't give them anything that I do, other than what their contributors steal from my websites and call their own. And, I do call that theft when they claim it's their own. Jan

If you find your photos on FindAGrave that you did not contribute then you should contact FindAGrave. The site doesn't allow it and they don't search the Internet looking for photos to steal. However, there are people who do copy photos from the Internet and submit them to the FindAGrave. I like to give these folks the benefit of the doubt and maybe they are well meaning and don't understand that images are copyrighted and not free for the taking. Perhaps the feel they have a right to them if they are related?!? Many folks really believe that if it's on the Internet it's free for the taking. I've heard this many times in my capacity as a CC and RootsWeb list/board admin. I am grateful to FindAGrave. Photos of my parents' monuments got lost when I moved and a photo volunteer took pics for me and now they are on FindAGrave. I can visit them whenever I I get to missing my folks even though they are buried 500 miles from where I live. It's unlikely that I will ever return to my hometown again since I have no family left to visit. FindAGrave is the next best thing to being there. If I learned one thing about the Internet it's this: if you don't want it copied then don't upload it. J. Asche On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Mike & Diane <[email protected]> wrote: > > I totally agree with you Jan. I do have some FAG contributors that send me > duplicate photos first then upload them to FAG. > However, I went to FAG looking for a clarification on a name someone was > looking for and found a photo of my own fathers headstone on their site > which # 1 I did not give them permission to use, # 2, the stone hasn't even > been set in the cemetery as yet! It is sitting in my backyard and I know I > haven't given anyone permission to come in my backyard to take a photo of it >  It can't be seen unless you walk in my yard around the back of the house > around the porch and uncover it from the tarps it is under. So how did they > just happen to get a photo of it? They swiped that one for sure! There are > some definite thieves that work on FAG, now mind you, there are some great > people that volunteer there, I have a few that go out and take duplicate > photos of the headstones in the cemeteries so that they can send me a set > for the counties I maintain and they can upload a different set to FAG, that > way they don't break FAG's copyright violations, but when I saw the photo of > my father's headstone on there I went ballistic. I personally won't send FAG > anything and wouldn't P on them if they were on fire at this point. > JMHO, > Diane > >  > NCGenWeb SC > NCGenWeb CC > NCGenWeb Special Projects > -------Original Message------- >

I totally agree with you Jan. I do have some FAG contributors that send me duplicate photos first then upload them to FAG. However, I went to FAG looking for a clarification on a name someone was looking for and found a photo of my own fathers headstone on their site which # 1 I did not give them permission to use, # 2, the stone hasn't even been set in the cemetery as yet! It is sitting in my backyard and I know I haven't given anyone permission to come in my backyard to take a photo of it It can't be seen unless you walk in my yard around the back of the house around the porch and uncover it from the tarps it is under. So how did they just happen to get a photo of it? They swiped that one for sure! There are some definite thieves that work on FAG, now mind you, there are some great people that volunteer there, I have a few that go out and take duplicate photos of the headstones in the cemeteries so that they can send me a set for the counties I maintain and they can upload a different set to FAG, that way they don't break FAG's copyright violations, but when I saw the photo of my father's headstone on there I went ballistic. I personally won't send FAG anything and wouldn't P on them if they were on fire at this point. JMHO, Diane  NCGenWeb SC NCGenWeb CC NCGenWeb Special Projects -------Original Message------- From: Jan Cortez Date: 12/29/2009 9:45:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Your Guidance is Requested - Cemetery Photos Personally, I wouldn't give FAG the time of day. I browsed their website a Few days ago to find that many of my cemetery transcriptions have been Copied from the MI Archives and/or my websites. The one I am VERY positive Of, because it is not only a transcription, but also research that I did on Death certificates noting persons buried there that did not have stones. 1560 of them. No mention of the original person - ME - who went out and did All the work. NOPE - it all belongs to one of their top 50 contributors. Now, if I sat on my butt every day and took all the transcriptions off from Others websites, I could be the #1 contributor to FAG. NOT! First of all, let me say that I know that dates and names are not Copyrightable. So, that is not the point, however, if they can copy all my Work, does that mean it is open season on all their transcriptions that I Can copy to my websites? I probably wouldn't have given it much thought other than FAG stirred up Such a stink over some work we had on the MI Tombstone Project saying that We stole their work and put it on our website. The guy who contributed it To us after he sent it to FAG was all upset and I finally just removed it. I managed to get the email of the guy who took my work and told him what I Thought, but, unless I become a member of FAG, I can't write them and tell Them what I think. And ya know what - it will be a sorry day in you know Where before I ever become a member of that organization. Definitely ticked Here. <sigh> Jan

Personally, I wouldn't give FAG the time of day. I browsed their website a few days ago to find that many of my cemetery transcriptions have been copied from the MI Archives and/or my websites. The one I am VERY positive of, because it is not only a transcription, but also research that I did on death certificates noting persons buried there that did not have stones. 1560 of them. No mention of the original person - ME - who went out and did all the work. NOPE - it all belongs to one of their top 50 contributors. Now, if I sat on my butt every day and took all the transcriptions off from others websites, I could be the #1 contributor to FAG. NOT! First of all, let me say that I know that dates and names are not copyrightable. So, that is not the point, however, if they can copy all my work, does that mean it is open season on all their transcriptions that I can copy to my websites? I probably wouldn't have given it much thought other than FAG stirred up such a stink over some work we had on the MI Tombstone Project saying that we stole their work and put it on our website. The guy who contributed it to us after he sent it to FAG was all upset and I finally just removed it. I managed to get the email of the guy who took my work and told him what I thought, but, unless I become a member of FAG, I can't write them and tell them what I think. And ya know what - it will be a sorry day in you know where before I ever become a member of that organization. Definitely ticked here. <sigh> Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Rothwell" <[email protected]> > Find A Grave has become aggressive lately, at least in my area. In a > couple > cases [different counties], having discovered someone walking and > photographing a cemetery, a regular contributor demanded that the pictures > be given to Find A Grave INSTEAD of ILGenWeb. A G&H got chewed out for > giving things to me. Three different people doesn't seem like a > coincidence. > I am not happy. And they probably would have shared the pictures IF they > hadn't wanted the pictures INSTEAD of us. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.431 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2592 - Release Date: 12/29/09 07:47:00

I have approximately 3,500 photos of relative's gravestones that I personally took over thirteen years of research in numerous states. Many of them are multiple shots of the same gravestone which were taken in order to get that one good shot. Many times I waited a few hours for the sun to get just right; other times I used a mirror. They have meaning to me for much more than just the information presented in the inscription and I have gone to a good deal of expense and effort to get them. Copyrighted? You bet! That doesn't stop folks from grabbing a copy from my web site and posting it another web site even with a copyright stamp right on it -- go figure! An interesting Find A Grave experience that I had is this ... After using a BYU database to research people buried in a state hospital cemetery I had posted their info on a private web page. In time someone notified me that he had taken my research and posted it in an apparently more suitable location -- Find A Grave. I deleted my web page. Mitch Ryder -----Original Message----- From: joe <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2009 1:31 pm Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Your Guidance is Requested - Cemetery Photos > > > Can I add a photo that I found on a different website? > > No. Please do not add photos to Find A Grave that you have acquired from > another source. Photos fall under copyright protection laws. In general, if > you did not take the photo yourself, you should not post it. The only > exceptions to this are photos that are old enough to have fallen into the > public domain and photos for which you have received written consent from > the copyright holder. > > Mike St. Clair An interesting discussion. When you mention Cemetery photos, are we talking about photos of a cemetery? or the individual tombstone photos? While not a lawyer, I think a case could be made that individual photos of tombstones taken for the purpose of displaying the FACTS on a stone may not be subject to copyright. A written listing of the cemetery is likely not subject to copyright, if just a compilation of facts. The purpose of tombstone photos is for determining the FACTS thereon. Why would it fall under protection of copyright laws? Another view of the question. IF the same photo were used to document the work of a tombstone carver, the picture may enjoy copyright protection.?? Joe Patterson PAGenWeb ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> > > Can I add a photo that I found on a different website? > > No. Please do not add photos to Find A Grave that you have acquired from > another source. Photos fall under copyright protection laws. In general, if > you did not take the photo yourself, you should not post it. The only > exceptions to this are photos that are old enough to have fallen into the > public domain and photos for which you have received written consent from > the copyright holder. > > Mike St. Clair An interesting discussion. When you mention Cemetery photos, are we talking about photos of a cemetery? or the individual tombstone photos? While not a lawyer, I think a case could be made that individual photos of tombstones taken for the purpose of displaying the FACTS on a stone may not be subject to copyright. A written listing of the cemetery is likely not subject to copyright, if just a compilation of facts. The purpose of tombstone photos is for determining the FACTS thereon. Why would it fall under protection of copyright laws? Another view of the question. IF the same photo were used to document the work of a tombstone carver, the picture may enjoy copyright protection.?? Joe Patterson PAGenWeb

I'm no expert, but it seems to me .... A photo of anything would enjoy copyright protection. The photograph cannot be distributed without the permission of the photographer. The FACTS depicted in a photograph are not subject to copyright, except ... If I published a collection of photographs of the tombstones of a cemetery, that collection cannot be used by another, as the source for a work listing the tombstone inscriptions of that cemetery. The collection enjoys copyright protection. Freddie Spradlin VAGenWeb ----- Original Message ----- An interesting discussion. When you mention Cemetery photos, are we talking about photos of a cemetery? or the individual tombstone photos? While not a lawyer, I think a case could be made that individual photos of tombstones taken for the purpose of displaying the FACTS on a stone may not be subject to copyright. A written listing of the cemetery is likely not subject to copyright, if just a compilation of facts. The purpose of tombstone photos is for determining the FACTS thereon. Why would it fall under protection of copyright laws? Another view of the question. IF the same photo were used to document the work of a tombstone carver, the picture may enjoy copyright protection.?? Joe Patterson PAGenWeb

The IP address for your internet connection belongs to your ISP. There is no separate IP for e-mails. The IP for NMGenWeb.us is owned by IX. You may be leasing it from them, but it is registered to them. If you discontinue your hosting with them or stop paying for it, they can take it back and re-use it. And my DSL connection is faster than I am. Dale > Thanks Dale. This pretty well tells the story and I understand it this > way. > The IP address for my e-mail is owned by my home server, plateautel. It > also tells me why some friends who were also on plateautel had a different > phone connation than I had when I was using dial up. Apparently each phone > dial up had several IP addresses to handle the connections. Now I have > had > a wireless connection for the past four years and I just let my server > worry > about the connection, The wireless is faster than my computer operates. > > Then my IP address for NMGenWeb.us is owned (and paid for ) by me and it > never changes. > > My concern was that a hacker would have to have the IP number for the web > server where the counties are located and should not have anything to do > with the e-mail IP address. > > Is this correct thinking? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Harold Kilmer, NMGenWeb SC http://www.nmgenweb.us/ > CC for Curry, De Baca, Guadalupe, Harding, Lea, > Lincoln, Quay, and Roosevelt Counties in New Mexico. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dale Grimm" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:53 AM > Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Hacker Attacks > > >> If you have high speed internet that is always on, you have a static IP >> - >> it >> is the same all of the time. >> >> If you have dial-up internet, your IP is different each time you >> connect. >> >> The IP address belongs to your internet service provider, and you share >> an >> IP with others on the same ISP. >> >> An IP address is not a secret piece of information. Yours is in the >> header >> of your posting to this list. >> >> >> Dale Grimm >> OHGenWeb SC >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Harold Kilmer >> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 10:15 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Hacker Attacks >> >> Don't take this off the state list. This is how some of us learn about >> a >> static IP number. How do you get one? What good is it? >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Harold Kilmer, NMGenWeb SC http://www.nmgenweb.us/ >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Butler County Coordinator" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Hacker Attacks >> >> >>> Sorry I did not notice that my response went to the list until I >>> received >>> a copy of it, but since few, if any, of us have a static IP address, >>> does >>> it really matter who sees it? It is constantly changing. >>> >>> >>> Wilda Murphy, county coordinator >>> http://theusgenweb.org/al/butler/ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 1:39 PM >>> Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Hacker Attacks >>> >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 12/28/2009 1:34:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, >>> [email protected] writes: >>> >>> Sherri, >>> >>> My computer is scanned by AVG every 12 hours. >>> >>> My IP address changes several times a day so I can't >>> give you an IP. I haven't uploaded to HIGenWeb or >>> Edgar IL since the clear from the last hacker attack. >>> >>> Maggie >>> >>> -------------- >>> Folks, if you respond to Sherri, please do so privately, especially if >>> you >>> include personal information, such as your computer's IP address. >>> Please >>> send that privately to Sherri. 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I appreciate the input many of you have given me on this. Let me point out that I found a written policy at Find A Grave which appears to prohibit the sort of sharing that a visitor at one of our county sites requested, unless the photographer provides written permission. I suspect that like most of us they don't have any means to enforce such a prohibition, but perhaps their heart is in the right place on this issue. One of their faqs, at http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=listFaqs#142, says: Can I add a photo that I found on a different website? No. Please do not add photos to Find A Grave that you have acquired from another source. Photos fall under copyright protection laws. In general, if you did not take the photo yourself, you should not post it. The only exceptions to this are photos that are old enough to have fallen into the public domain and photos for which you have received written consent from the copyright holder. Mike St. Clair -------------------------------------------------- From: "Harold Kilmer" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:54 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Your Guidance is Requested - Cemetery Photos > Mike: > > I do not feel comfortable with allowing anyone to copy for any reason and > post any record donated to my NM State/County sites: however I have given > permission for others to link to several of our tombstone, death and > marriage sites for home genealogy research only. These records are > donated > to the XXGenWeb sites for free home use only. (I added the Home Use). > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Harold Kilmer, NMGenWeb SC http://www.nmgenweb.us/

That has happened with us in WI, although to my knowledge the contributor was always known, and if I received the request I forwarded it to the contributor for permission. I would be very leary about sharing unknown contributor photos with projects/organizations outside of USGenWeb. I will be interested in the responses you receive. Tough call -- such good genealogical information not to share. Good luck, and let me know how it works out. Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike St. Clair/ST" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 12:31 PM Subject: [STATE-COORD] Your Guidance is Requested - Cemetery Photos > Several of the counties in Idaho have gravestone photos that were > contributed long before I became SC or the current coordinator became CC > and there is nothing to identify who the photographer or the contributor > was. All we know is that the coordinator at the time the photos were > posted (we don't even know who that CC was) said they had permission to > post the photo. > > One of our coordinators has been asked for permission to upload the photos > to Find A Grave. > > Have any of you faced this situation? If so, how did you handle it? If > not, how would you handle it? > > Mike St. Clair > State Coordinator - IDGENWEB > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's very common with web host providers to have the mail service for a domain on the same server and ip address as the web pages. For example, www.nmgenweb.us, is on IP address 98.130.159.31 at IX Webhosting. If you send or receive mail using nmgenweb.us as part of the email address and through the mail server they provide, it will be that same IP address. Most providers of Internet connections to your home require (or at least try to force) you to use their email server for sending mail. That would be entirely different than the IP and server your web pages are retrieved from. Only a few weird folks like me use their own email server for sending. Mike St. Clair -------------------------------------------------- From: "Harold Kilmer" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 12:26 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Hacker Attacks > Thanks Dale. This pretty well tells the story and I understand it this > way. > The IP address for my e-mail is owned by my home server, plateautel. It > also tells me why some friends who were also on plateautel had a different > phone connation than I had when I was using dial up. Apparently each phone > dial up had several IP addresses to handle the connections. Now I have > had > a wireless connection for the past four years and I just let my server > worry > about the connection, The wireless is faster than my computer operates. > > Then my IP address for NMGenWeb.us is owned (and paid for ) by me and it > never changes. > > My concern was that a hacker would have to have the IP number for the web > server where the counties are located and should not have anything to do > with the e-mail IP address. > > Is this correct thinking? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Harold Kilmer, NMGenWeb SC http://www.nmgenweb.us/ > CC for Curry, De Baca, Guadalupe, Harding, Lea, > Lincoln, Quay, and Roosevelt Counties in New Mexico. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dale Grimm" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:53 AM > Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Hacker Attacks > > >> If you have high speed internet that is always on, you have a static IP - >> it >> is the same all of the time. >> >> If you have dial-up internet, your IP is different each time you connect. >> >> The IP address belongs to your internet service provider, and you share >> an >> IP with others on the same ISP. >> >> An IP address is not a secret piece of information. Yours is in the >> header >> of your posting to this list. >> >> >> Dale Grimm >> OHGenWeb SC >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Harold Kilmer >> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 10:15 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Hacker Attacks >> >> Don't take this off the state list. This is how some of us learn about a >> static IP number. How do you get one? What good is it? >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Harold Kilmer, NMGenWeb SC http://www.nmgenweb.us/ >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Butler County Coordinator" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Hacker Attacks >> >> >>> Sorry I did not notice that my response went to the list until I >>> received >>> a copy of it, but since few, if any, of us have a static IP address, >>> does >>> it really matter who sees it? It is constantly changing. >>> >>> >>> Wilda Murphy, county coordinator >>> http://theusgenweb.org/al/butler/ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 1:39 PM >>> Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Hacker Atta

Thanks Sherri. I think between you and Dale I understand a little more about this IP number business. I don't need a static IP address for my e-mail. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Harold Kilmer, NMGenWeb SC http://www.nmgenweb.us/ CC for Curry, De Baca, Guadalupe, Harding, Lea, Lincoln, Quay, and Roosevelt Counties in New Mexico. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherri" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:04 AM Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Hacker Attacks > Harold, > > A static IP is one that doesn't change as you log on and off from the > internet. By far, the vast majority of users will not have a static IP > address, they'll have what is referred to as a dynamic IP address. The > ISPs > have blocks of IP addresses that get shared between users as they log on > and > off of the internet. The more IP addresses that a ISP has to have to meet > their customer requirements, the more it costs them (the ISP). > > Anyone can request a static IP address from your ISP, but the cost may be > higher. I know, for me, a static IP address would have an additional > charge > of $25.00/month on top of my basic internet access charge. > > A static IP address is sometimes required by software constraints - I know > we've run into the requirement in/on one of the Projects that I work with > because we're running a script that renames images and uploads them to a > different server. Some web developers and/or projects also require them > for > various other reasons. For 99.99% of us a static IP address is not > required > for what we do. > > Sherri > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Harold Kilmer > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 10:15 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Hacker Attacks > > Don't take this off the state list. This is how some of us learn about a > static IP number. How do you get one? What good is it? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Harold Kilmer, NMGenWeb SC http://www.nmgenweb.us/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Butler County Coordinator" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:06 PM > Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Hacker Attacks > > >> Sorry I did not notice that my response went to the list until I received >> a copy of it, but since few, if any, of us have a static IP address, does >> it really matter who sees it? It is constantly changing. >> >> >> Wilda Murphy, county coordinator >> http://theusgenweb.org/al/butler/ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 1:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD] Hacker Attacks >> >> >> >> In a message dated 12/28/2009 1:34:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Sherri, >> >> My computer is scanned by AVG every 12 hours. >> >> My IP address changes several times a day so I can't >> give you an IP. I haven't uploaded to HIGenWeb or >> Edgar IL since the clear from the last hacker attack. >> >> Maggie >> >> -------------- >> Folks, if you respond to Sherri, please do so privately, especially if >> you >> include personal information, such as your computer's IP address. >> Please >> send that privately to Sherri. No one else should have that information >> other >> than Sherri. >> >> Thanks. >> Denise >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.122/2590 - Release Date: >> 12/28/09 02:16:00 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >