hey found that by 1858 at the latest john and tabitha were settled with stock. andrew and charity were in texas by 1855,,, another food for thought,,,I had always thought Tabithas' last name was Manice but on this I found: 1860 Atascocia co.census (note; neighbors were the james brown family) did a starr marry a brown ???? john starr 30 m stockraiser mo. tabitha 34 f ind Andrew 5 m mo mary e. 4 f mo Wm 2 m tex elizabeth mains 22 ind possibly tabitha sister? few pages over at the e.r. lyons homestead is martha mains 44 f ind pawper martha j. " 7 f mo pawper A History of Blanco County( The Pemberton Press) The year of 1864 was a continuation of the privations, hardships and oft-recurring bereavments of the last year. And to add to our privations a great many things that we could make a home were worn out. In fact, our wants were so urgent that the government came to our aid by furnishing us with cooton cards, and other things that could not be obtained otherwise. The spinning wheels and looms were made at home. We had plenty of wool: sewing cotton we got mostly in the neighborhood of San Marcos. The Confederate direct tax was very heavy but was paid in Confederate money: consequently there was but little complaint. The tax in kind, however, was considered ruinous; we had to bring corn, wheat, and bacon to the tax collector, but if our own men could have had it for rations instead of what they did have, we would have paid it gladly. As it was, we were so far from the camp that it did little or no good. The indiians made raids occasionally and would kill a beef and drive out a few horses, but these we did not dread like the bushwackers. If we speid a red man we knew that he was an enemy, but how could we tell on meeting a strange white man whether he be friend or foe. There were then, and always will be, "busy-bodies', carrying news, and informing one party against another. Jesse Starr and a Mr. Williams, who lived near Wimberly Mill were in the brush, and was reported that they were starting to Mexico and that they were coming by Blanco to kill two or three of our citizens, naming the men. A squad of rangers met them on Wansley, about ten miles east of Blanco. They showed fight and both were instantly killed, a few hundred yards apart. In these troubled times an ungaurded word would sometimes expose a good man to the suspicion of being on the wrong side. It is truly remarkable that under the excitment existing at that time there was no more harm done than was done. coincidental compared to family story of jesse death which was supposed to be Andrew,john, orville, givens,janes,etc brother insert from book I found at historical library... lynette