Crystal, Could be. I've been watching for kids too -- because of Orville's kids being run off when he and his wife were killed. I read something that said they were killed by Quantrail's raiders. Not long ago either. I'll see if I can find it and if so I'll let you know. I really wouldn't be surprised if Givens was Orville's son -- but then who is Richard??? A cousin of Orville and his siblings? Maybe. Interesting trying to piece all this together. Take care. di Crystal Burleson wrote: > Every time I see a Starr like this in Texas that was born between 1860-1870 I > can't help but wonder if it is one of Orville and Susan's orphaned children. I > may never know, but he would fit--being named after Orville's brother, Givens > and all. Just hoping to find some of them and prove it someday. Crystal > > Diana Starr wrote: > > > Don't know anything about this Givens -- he would have been born in > > 1864.... But since the names are used over and over and over again........ > > That's why we see so many Johns, Henrys, James, Thomases, etc. Wonder > > whose son this Givens was??? And Richard? Know nothing about him > > either. It's possible -- age wise -- that Richard could have been the > > father of this Givens even. Hmmmmm > > Anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks Lynette. Wish it were my Givens but it's not. Nephew?? > > di > > > > TexasRio@aol.com wrote: > > > > > 1880 Callahan co. texas census > > > > > > Starr, Givens w m 16 hired hand , farm labor tex,? ? page 329 > > > > > > Starr, Richard w m married 35 D&P R.R. ohio,ohio,ohio page 324 > > > > > > the age for Givens is to differnt than if brother to andrew,orville.john > > > etc....but lot of coincidences Richard I do not anything about,,, > > > > > > any info please or hope this helps someone Lynette