Thank you Crystal. Really good work! I know what you mean but the territory being so huge. We tend to thin in the states as they are now -- but not back then. I'm sure you are correct -- one area could encompass many of our states as we know them. VA could have been many of our "now" states -- including MO and OH and KY, TN, IN, IL, etc. Probably was just like that back then. Territory was much bigger then and so vast it would blow our minds in this day and age I'm sure. Also, have you come across anything that might indicate that our Adam was named John Adam and not just Adam? I think it's very possible. And I am still NOT at all convinced that Adam's parents were named Henry Starr and Catherine Wells. As a matter of fact, I think this is wrong. It just doesn't seem to fit right somehow. I love the info regarding the Starr name and the Isbell name being one and the same. I'm really not surprised.... Wondering why Isbell -- Starr in some other language? or what? Food for thought. Ross F. is going to be going to the Historical Society in OK City, OK and doing some research for us all. Hopefully he'll find something to help us all out. Keep up the good work, Crystal. You are really on to something and I hope we get more proof of our heritage soon. Thanks again and keep at it, Cous! I'm off to bed as it's very late and I'm exhausted. More tomorrow. Hugs and more hugs, di Crystal Burleson wrote: > To answer where I got that information, it came from p. 62 of "The > Buffalo Ridge Cherokee: A Remnant of a Great Nation Divided" by Horace > R. Rice. He is writing about various families and says: "Although Dr. > Isbell went for white, he, like many central and southwestern Virginia > Cherokee, may have had both European and Cherokee ancestry. The Isbells > in Appomattox, Oklahoma, and North Carolina have Cherokee family > traditions. The Isbell surname is a traditional Cherokee family name > (Starr)." > Neal, you mentioned that you have always been interested in the Tsalagi > and the Chickamauga peoples. Do you know where I can learn more about > them? I am having a difficult time finding resources, even on the net > about them. Thanks. > > Diana, I don't have proof either that Adam was born in Virginia. All we > really have to go on is the 1850 census and I don't know why he wouldn't > have told the truth about it. I'm just, for now anyway, assuming that it > is true. It also has that his first several children were born in Ohio > and then a couple in Indiana before they moved on to Missouri. If you > look at a map of Botetourt Co. VA in 1770 (you'll find it at > <www.rootsweb.com/~vaboteto/bote-org.htm>) you'll see that that one > Virginia county included all of the southwestern part of Virginia, > nearly half of West Virginia on the south (until 1863), all of Kentucky > (until 1792), a good size chunk of southern Ohio (until 1803), nearly > all of Indiana (until 1816), and mostly all of Illinois (until 1818). > Interesting? I think so. I means that possible they could have lived in > an area and not moved at all and still have been in several states over > the years. HMMMMM? > > Gotta go. Tell me what you think. Crystal