Hi everyone -- I'm off to work but will check in as soon as I get home. Matt, I like the idea of being able to get pictures and things at/on your site that we can't get here -- this way we can download and save to a file so we'll have them. The more I think about the purpose of your site, the more I like it. Ted was right on.... Lynette could send attachments to the site and we could all see them there. Lynette, I think you'd have to send to us individually to get an attachment to work via email. The rootsweb.com sites can't allow attachments.... That's why none of us received the latest thing you tried to send us... the picture? Ok, I'll shut up. Everyone have a great day and I'll check in later. Best wishes to all. di

Right on, Ted! How are you, cous? di Theodore Starr wrote: > Matt, > I'd be interested in your site. I'm assuming that this is basically > an ftp site where we can upload files, such as pictures, text documents, > etc., so that others can download and view. With all of the scanned images > that Lynette (and others) have mentioned I think that would be great. > > - Ted > > -----Original Message----- > From: matt cole [mailto:mcwolf@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 7:17 AM > To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Suggestion for combining info > > I have invited everyone that was interested to my site. If > you have any > problems getting in please let me know. I figured this way > you can view my > information as well as get an idea of what I was suggesting. > [ creating one > of these for this discussion group ] > Thank you in advance > > >From: Marie Bailey <mbaile2@bellsouth.net> > >Reply-To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com > >To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: Suggestion for combining info > >Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:20:00 -0500 > > > >Matt, > > I'd like more information on your site also. > >Marie > > > >matt cole wrote: > > > > > This is the list to be on for Starr information. I was > only making a > > > suggestion. I too enjoy reading everyones input. I also > have a > >MYFAMILY.COM > > > site. If anyone wishes to be a part of it please let me > know. I would be > > > more than happy to invite them. I find that there is > only one or two in > >a > > > family that is interested in geneaology. I being the > only one in my > > > family(it seems). I would welcome some activist at my > site. > > > I would also like to be invited to any and all on this > forum if they > >have a > > > MYFAMILY.COM site. (if I have not currently been > invited) > > > Thank you in advance. > > > > > > >From: LBCane@aol.com > > > >Reply-To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com > > > >To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: Re: Suggestion for combining info > > > >Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:28:21 EST > > > > > > > >I thought that if you are researching the Starrs that > this was the list > >to > > > >get on..or if someone had info to pass on that was of > genealogy nature > >I > > > >thought that is what this list was for...me personally > I like reading > >and > > > >Sending Interviews...and the listings of other > Starrs..even though they > >are > > > >not mine..sometimes you never know what clue you might > get from > >them...if I > > > >am wrong please let me know....I will find the right > list to get > > > >on....Thank > > > >you LBCane@aol.com > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Go, girl, go! Places of birth changed -- maybe due to survival or maybe because the boundary lines seem to have changed back then pretty rapidly -- due to fighting and just "taking" of land. Could be for any reason yu can probably come up with. Wow! I had read somewhere that John Starr married more than once. Amazing. He sounds like my Givens' mother, Mary Emeline Winters (who married Thomas, Starr, Kneiber, Connelly). I guess back then, when a spouse died, you just married someone else for survival.... Men remarried because they needed someone to cook, clean, care for the kids. I don't think love entered into the arrangement -- at least it wasn't the most important reason for remarriage. Survival seems to be that reason. I'm looking forward to learning who the other wives of John were and the names of their children. Wow! This is really great stuff, Lynette. Keep up the good work. Thanks and thanks and thanks even more. di TexasRio@aol.com wrote: > does any one notice the state birth places change on almost every paper > for John Starr married to tabitha,,,,any ideas? survival ? > > also another note is that John Starr did have 3-4 wives children with each > i have those names too. > > will be typing in for yall > > what is tiff file? how do i do it so yall can see scanned items or send me > your info for me to copy items for yall :) > > also have pension roll on many texas starrs that faught or ran from it hahah > > chat soon lynette

I have created a new MYFAMILY.COM Site. I have named that site Starr Digest. Everyone that is invited is getting Adminastrative level. This will put everone on the same level. Perhaps we can use this site to upload and download pics, gedcoms, interviews. The site allows us to have 75 megs of space. When you sign in you can change your username and password ( the system sends these out automatically ) along with your member profile. This includes your address, web page, likes, dislikes, birthday and more. We can upload our gedcoms and view them online with search capabilities. We can upload pictures breaking them out to our own photoalbums. It has a file cabinet for our interviews or scanned documents. I just personally think this would help facilitate our sharing of information. I do not know everyones email address or everyone that is monitoring this forum. I can just say I will try to place the emails I have and they in turn can begin to invite the ones they have. If we see that we are exceeding our 75 megs we are allowed to create a new site. This is all free. ( go figure ). I only would like to use any and all resources possible. Again I look for feedback. Thank everyone in advance. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Lynette, My Lord, girl! You do have a lot of information. You are a gold mine! I can't thank you enough for sharing the info with us and I look forward to receiving more and more as you find it. I wish I had even a tad of what you have -- I'm basically "dry" now... Yea, it's probably one of those who won't talk who has that Bible! Do any of them live close to you? Maybe you could visit and talk with them and explain just how silly it is to carry on a feud NOW! haha Who knows. As for Tabitha Massey/Maness/Manice/Mains.... I keep thinking we need to consider the times. Not very many people had much of an education back then -- so I would think their ability to spell correctly would be pretty poor. It could actually have been any of the spellings listed above -- or something else even! Who knows... Anyway, the fact is we know it's one of those or something very close. I would think that's one of the reasons I've seen Givens Starr's name spelled "Gibbons" -- someone wrote it wrong as he/she couldn't spell and thought it was "bb" and not "v" and Givens probably couldn't spell either or when he said his name it sounded like Gibbons so that's what was written. Many wrote according to how a name sounded to them. I think that more or less would explain the misspellings of names as we come across them. I think back then, folks were lucky if they could spell anything correctly -- schools weren't that well organized or available to everyone and teachers didn't have many supplies and probably had overcrowded schools -- and all "grades" were in one room. So if we think back to that time...... What do you think? Anyone? Crystal? Lynette? Ted? Sandy? Matt? Carol Ann? anyone else???? On another issue -- Lynette, could you also send me directions to the Starr Cemetery in Frio Co. I'm going home to San Antone in March and am planning on staying long enough to visit some cemeteries and try and get more research done. I have a couple of cousins I want to see -- in San An and in Austin as well. One of those cousins has the Cude genealogy stuff his grandfather did and I'm going to see if he has found it. It was my elderly cousin Elton Cude who gave me the information about being Cherokee. Before that, I thought we were Choctaw but when Elder did his research he told me I was wrong; also my great grandmother is supposedly buried in Moore Texas Cemetery -- I think it's the old Tomerlin (sp?) family cemetery -- there is a tombstone there for Molly Cude Henson. She is not buried there but at Ft Gibson, OK according to Elton. I don't know how or where he got his info but I know if he said it it must be right as he spent years and years doing research and had all the facts written out and was going to publish a book -- then he found out he had Alzheimer's and the book never got published and now no one seems to know who has the info he had. It could be in his house (his grandson lives in it now) but I don't know. I am going to contact him and see what he says. Anyway, back to what I originally was asking for -- directions from San An to the cemetery in Frio Co... Again, thanks for sharing so much with us. You are a true "find" for the rest of us and I am absolutely amazed by you. Lynette! I have horses too. Four of them. We have a lot in common, cous. Love to you and to your son. di TexasRio@aol.com wrote: > just a little note,,,I am not leaving my new family...I have had too > little in the past,,,andrew and permelia had bad blood ties with ??? > immediate siblings and left family ,,,never spoke to them again...some close > cousins still carry fued to this day..will not chat if we call for > info,,,,maybe she / he are the ones with the bible? hahaha they are > great-great aunt/uncle/cousins so go figure what reason then or > now....sending yall big hugs and kisses with a blessing from God to our > circle becoming intertwined again....lynette

Matt, I'd be interested in your site. I'm assuming that this is basically an ftp site where we can upload files, such as pictures, text documents, etc., so that others can download and view. With all of the scanned images that Lynette (and others) have mentioned I think that would be great. - Ted -----Original Message----- From: matt cole [mailto:mcwolf@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 7:17 AM To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Suggestion for combining info I have invited everyone that was interested to my site. If you have any problems getting in please let me know. I figured this way you can view my information as well as get an idea of what I was suggesting. [ creating one of these for this discussion group ] Thank you in advance >From: Marie Bailey <mbaile2@bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com >To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Suggestion for combining info >Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:20:00 -0500 > >Matt, > I'd like more information on your site also. >Marie > >matt cole wrote: > > > This is the list to be on for Starr information. I was only making a > > suggestion. I too enjoy reading everyones input. I also have a >MYFAMILY.COM > > site. If anyone wishes to be a part of it please let me know. I would be > > more than happy to invite them. I find that there is only one or two in >a > > family that is interested in geneaology. I being the only one in my > > family(it seems). I would welcome some activist at my site. > > I would also like to be invited to any and all on this forum if they >have a > > MYFAMILY.COM site. (if I have not currently been invited) > > Thank you in advance. > > > > >From: LBCane@aol.com > > >Reply-To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: Suggestion for combining info > > >Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:28:21 EST > > > > > >I thought that if you are researching the Starrs that this was the list >to > > >get on..or if someone had info to pass on that was of genealogy nature >I > > >thought that is what this list was for...me personally I like reading >and > > >Sending Interviews...and the listings of other Starrs..even though they >are > > >not mine..sometimes you never know what clue you might get from >them...if I > > >am wrong please let me know....I will find the right list to get > > >on....Thank > > >you LBCane@aol.com > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

It makes good sense and thank you for the invitation..I misunderstood...I thought you meant leave this site...hey everything is cool with me..I like this list because it is so active.....Thanks LBCane@aol.com

did not know were went to sign rolls at,,deffinately she said up north and back home to texas south....assumed oklahoma will keep lookin lynette

Ted: I will send you an invitation to my site. Everyone: The MYFAMILY.COM is free and I can start a new site for this discussion group. Everyone on it can invite anyone else. I did not intend the 'site' to be mine with everyone invited as users. Rather a new site for everyone on this list as owners of the site to use. This site would be a place we can upload and download info, pic's, gedcoms, ect. more easily. However I would love everyone to join my site as well. What does everyone think of opening a new site for this discussion group? >From: Diana Starr <razzberri@earthlink.net> >Reply-To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com >To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Off to work >Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:33:30 -0500 > >Hi everyone -- I'm off to work but will check in as soon as I get home. >Matt, I like the idea of being able to get pictures and things at/on >your site that we can't get here -- this way we can download and save to >a file so we'll have them. The more I think about the purpose of your >site, the more I like it. Ted was right on.... >Lynette could send attachments to the site and we could all see them >there. >Lynette, I think you'd have to send to us individually to get an >attachment to work via email. The rootsweb.com sites can't allow >attachments.... That's why none of us received the latest thing you >tried to send us... the picture? >Ok, I'll shut up. Everyone have a great day and I'll check in later. >Best wishes to all. >di > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

--part1_0.4a8204de.2551c362_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone...Well more coincidences my greatgrandmother was a Cross and her father in law was ANDREW A, STARR -PERMILIA(millie) PEARSON FAMILY family from JOHN and TABITHA ties into interesting saga of cattle drive with andrew and curly bob,,john and grandson hankins living with him,,,off of pearson line with info of thomas starr,,,now a saphronia we thought was a Starr could she be a cross? because alot of my info too came from cross bible....could have been transposed to other starr members incorrect line? HELP hahah by the way when i started researching i had hoped i could write a book on info...and at lest so could explain some terrible tempers of family lines,,,, wonder if GREATS ARE CURLING IN SPIRIT WORLD OR SMILING?// lynette --part1_0.4a8204de.2551c362_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <CROSS-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (rly-yc04.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.36]) by air-yc04.mail.aol.com (v62.15) with ESMTP; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:17:42 -0500 Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) by rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (v62.10) with ESMTP; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:17:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00798; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:16:02 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:16:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19991103161113.006a55ac@pop.usit.net> X-Sender: joug@pop.usit.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:11:13 -0500 Old-To: CROSS-L@rootsweb.com From: Kacy Guffey <joug@usit.net> Subject: Re: [CROSS] Cross Family in Texas Resent-Message-ID: <x7Rdd.A.xK.B_FI4@bl-11.rootsweb.com> To: CROSS-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: CROSS-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: CROSS-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <CROSS-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/605 X-Loop: CROSS-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: CROSS-L-request@rootsweb.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello my name is Jeanette and I am also doing research on the Cross families do you by chance have any connection to the Cross' of TN if so how. Let me know and I will see if I can make a connection somehow. Thanks Jeanette At 01:07 PM 10/29/99 -0400, you wrote: >I am researching the family of Jasper N. "Jack" Cross who was born in Missouri >Oct. 1845. Here is a lot of the information that I have gathered on this family >thus far. I hope this information will be helpful to someone out there. > >According to family legend, Jack Cross was a scout for the Dalton Gang. However, >I have found no evidence of this association. My aunt once told me that this was >a myth and that Jack Cross was a military man. I have been unable to find any >military records for him yet. Also, I've been told by other members of my family >that the Cross family was mean, but no one has ever been able to give me >specifics. I noticed in posting on the Cross Mailing list that another Cross >family in Texas was supposedly mean. > >Jasper N. "Jack" Cross married Sophronia Criswell Aug. 15, 1867 in Fayette >County, TX. I'm not sure how he ended up in Fayette County, TX. > >>From 1870 Fayette County TX Federal Census Page 436 >Cross, Jasper N., 24, M, W Place of birth: MO >Cross, Saphronia, 19, F, W, Place of birth: TX > >>From 1880 McLennan County TX Federal Census, Page 212 >June 4 & 5, 1880 >Surname, Given Rc Sx Age Rel. Occ Birth PL Dad BP Mom BP >Cross, Jasper N. W M 34 Farmer Missouri Alabama? Alabama? >Sophronia W F 29 Wife Keeping Home Texas Texas Texas >Asa B W M 8 Son >Dice E. W M 6 Son >Orie O (sp?) W F 4 Daughter >Jasper J ? W M 3 Son >Anie W F 6/12 Daughter > >1900 Mitchell County TX Soundex Census Records >Cross, Jasper N. - white - October 1845 - age 54 - born in MO - living in >Mitchell County. >Cross, Sophronia - wife - December 1850 - age 49 - born in Texas >Cross, Dice E. - son - August 1876 - age 23 - born in Texas >Cross, Jessie - daughter - September 1881 - age 18 - born in Texas >Cross, Lillie - daughter - December 1882 - age 16 - born in Texas >Cross, Bird - son - October 1884 - age 15 - born in Texas >Cross, Mabel - daughter - December 1889 - age 10 - born in Texas > > >Several Cross children lived in Martin County, TX for either many years or for >just awhile: >Dice E. Cross married Rhoda Fletcher. (I have a copy of Dice's Obit). >A. B. "Boon" Cross married Emily Fletcher. >Mabel Cross married Samuel Luke Greaves/Graves (later moved to Odessa, Ector CO >TX) >Jessie Cross married a Mr. Mabry > >The Martin County Museum has several items donated by the Cross family including >a black dress worn by Sophronia Criswell Cross. There is also a >picture of several Cross children. > >My G Grandmother, Lillie Cross, married James Yancy "Jim" Greaves/Graves and >lived in Dawson County. They had 7 daughters. Lillie & Mabel Cross married into >the Greaves family. There has been a lot of genealogy research on this family. >The father of James Yancy and Samuel Luke was Lawrence Decatur Greaves. The >Greaves family lived in Coleman County. Several other Greaves brothers ended up >settling in Dawson County. > >Jasper N. "Jack" Cross married again after his first wife, Sophronia, died >between 1900 and 1904 (location unknown). > >>From Howard County TX Web Site, part of the TexGenProject >Howard County Marriages 1903-1906 >Groom / Bride / Date / Minister or witnesses >Jack Cross and Treacy McKinzie-May 22, 1904 > >1910 Dawson County TX Census >Cross, Jasper N. Age 62 Born: Missouri, Parents from Missouri >Cross, Teresa Age 25 Born: Texas >Cross, Jasper N. Age 1 Born: Texas > >Jack's 2nd wife died in 1914 and is buried in Lamesa, Dawson CO, TX > >Dawson County TX Cemetery record: >Cross, Theresa born 30 July 1884 died 12 Jan 1914 Dawson Co buried in Lamesa >Cemetery > >Jack remarried a 3rd time: >Howard County TX Marriages 1912-1916 >Jack Cross and Miss Annie Myers-Jan.6, 1915 > >Annie Myers Cross died 11/20/1919 in Lubbock CO. TX. According to her death >certificate, she was born abt. 1890 and her father was from Russia. She died of >Pellegra, which was common in those times, especially to poor people that ate a >diet mostly of cornbread, salt pork and molasses. Pellegra is a Vit. B defiency, >specifically a defiency in Niacin. Her death certificate was signed by Jack >Cross of Lamesa. > >I have lost track of Jack Cross after 1919. I have yet to find any death record >of Jasper N. "Jack" Cross in Texas. My next stop is to research in the 1920 >Federal Census. > >I have more information on this Cross family and would love to exchange >information with any other researchers working on this family. I have a lot of >info on the Cross family in Martin County. > >Has anyone found a Jasper N. Cross in Missouri, born in 1845? If so, what >county? > > > > --part1_0.4a8204de.2551c362_boundary--

--part1_0.d0cb9c37.2551aa03_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit here is more,,,hope someone recognizes lynette --part1_0.d0cb9c37.2551aa03_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <odean@net1inc.net> Received: from rly-yb02.mx.aol.com (rly-yb02.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.2]) by air-yb02.mail.aol.com (v62.15) with ESMTP; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 10:01:06 -0500 Received: from mail.net1inc.net (mail.net1inc.net [209.136.22.9]) by rly-yb02.mx.aol.com (v62.10) with ESMTP; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 10:00:45 -0400 Received: from default (ppp232.brewton-5396-02.net1inc.net [209.136.70.232]) by mail.net1inc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA31763 for <TexasRio@aol.com>; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:00:42 -0600 Message-ID: <003301bf260b$f5e0a820$e84688d1@default> From: "Glenda Schulte" <odean@net1inc.net> To: <TexasRio@aol.com> Subject: Re: pearson cousins...///Starr andrew-permilia (millie) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:58:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 I have a Aruthur Starr b.2-21-1893, d. 9-21-1948 Ruby Ella Starr who married a Dunn in Paletine,Tx She was born 10-3-1897..I am not able to tie thes names in with my Starrs but that does not mean much as the Starr book "The House Of Starr" The Publication was in 1971....Over 100 pages of names....The Starr's that I came from are, Elder John Parker who married Susannah Parker and settled in TX. in 1848. Susannah is the aunt to Cynthia Ann Parker indian captive and mother to Quanah Parker.. Let me know if you can tie these family together...I am listed in the Starr book as Glenda Odean Lewis.... glenda in Alabama -----Original Message----- From: TexasRio@aol.com <TexasRio@aol.com> To: odean@net1inc.net <odean@net1inc.net> Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 1:00 AM Subject: Re: pearson cousins...///Starr andrew-permilia (millie) >yes I live in danbury which are kin to the ones in santa fe and area. > >andrew and thelma starr are my greataunt and greatuncle (great people) >(hitchcock) >auther and staza starr are my grandparents danbury >ruby starr reed is my ggreataunt living in baycity--90's in yrs and still can >dance haha >hayden and effie starr are my greataunt and great uncles ( aransas pass) > >the whole possie is our clan. how are we kin? >Lynette Starr --part1_0.d0cb9c37.2551aa03_boundary--

get info anywere any place to share wiether family or not,,,because if not my kinsmen they are somens kin lookin for connections... SMILE AND BE HAPPY WE WOKE UP THIS COLD MORNIN,,,, lynette

You can't send attachments to the list....doesn't compute! -----Original Message----- From: Marie Bailey <mbaile2@bellsouth.net> To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com <STARR-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 8:26 AM Subject: Re: william-texanna >Lynette, > No pictures have appeared for me on this list. Was it supposed to be here or >somewhere else? >Marie > >TexasRio@aol.com wrote: > >> hey eveybody....were you able to see photo? please let me know if correct >> format thanks lynette > >______________________________

I have invited everyone that was interested to my site. If you have any problems getting in please let me know. I figured this way you can view my information as well as get an idea of what I was suggesting. [ creating one of these for this discussion group ] Thank you in advance >From: Marie Bailey <mbaile2@bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com >To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Suggestion for combining info >Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:20:00 -0500 > >Matt, > I'd like more information on your site also. >Marie > >matt cole wrote: > > > This is the list to be on for Starr information. I was only making a > > suggestion. I too enjoy reading everyones input. I also have a >MYFAMILY.COM > > site. If anyone wishes to be a part of it please let me know. I would be > > more than happy to invite them. I find that there is only one or two in >a > > family that is interested in geneaology. I being the only one in my > > family(it seems). I would welcome some activist at my site. > > I would also like to be invited to any and all on this forum if they >have a > > MYFAMILY.COM site. (if I have not currently been invited) > > Thank you in advance. > > > > >From: LBCane@aol.com > > >Reply-To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: Suggestion for combining info > > >Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:28:21 EST > > > > > >I thought that if you are researching the Starrs that this was the list >to > > >get on..or if someone had info to pass on that was of genealogy nature >I > > >thought that is what this list was for...me personally I like reading >and > > >Sending Interviews...and the listings of other Starrs..even though they >are > > >not mine..sometimes you never know what clue you might get from >them...if I > > >am wrong please let me know....I will find the right list to get > > >on....Thank > > >you LBCane@aol.com > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I think there is a misunderstanding here. I by no means want or request anyone leaving this discussion group. I was originally suggesting a site to download all of our information and resources. Realizing this one discussion group is not the only avenue to attain information (Most everyone here checks out other sites..ancestry.com, genforums, ect.), I was hoping to have a centralized place for everyone on this discussion group. Those that have or are participating in a MYFAMILY.COM site probably understands why I have suggested them. By most of the responses I have read. The majority seems to like acquiring the info from here alone(by the individuals here). So I then asked anyone who would be interested to let me know and I will invite them to my site. Not to persuade them to leave but rather an easy access to what I have. Does this make since or am I making it out more than it seems? >From: Diana Starr <razzberri@earthlink.net> >Reply-To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com >To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Suggestion for combining info >Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 19:32:56 -0500 > >Lynette, >Don't leave us though..... BEing one of the few who is interested in >the Adam, Hannah and family, we need to stick together so we can share >information. You have a wealth of info there kiddo and we'd love to see >what you have. By sharing with us, you help us all tie in to our roots >and this is very important. I think you have probably more than most of >us do. I know Crystal, Ted, and I -- not to mention Glenn (who's not on >this list but comes from Adam through Catherine) -- are all interested >in learning everything we can about our roots. It seems to me you have >a lot you could share if only you would do so. Please don't leave us >all to continue to search and never be able to find what we need. By >sharing, you lose nothing but may gain a lot. Definitely good family >friends -- if nothing more. I figure if we are all from Adam -- no >matter if we're from Orville, George, Catherine, John, Andrew, Givens - >- or any of the others -- then we are family -- distant cousins, but >still family. And family helps each other out. So please share what >you have with us. If not over the internet, please make copies of >what all you have and send to one or all of us. I know I'll be more >than happy to pay for a copy of everything you have now and everything >you come up with in the future. If you want, make me a copy and then >I'll make copies of it all and send to the others. B y sharing we all >gain; by not sharing, we all lose out in the long run. >Please think about this, ok? >And, feel free to join Matt, I might check in there too. Just don't >know if it's be a good place for me as I am trying to search our roots >first and then am open for other "lines." Make sense? >Take care and stay in touch and please keep the info coming. >di > >TexasRio@aol.com wrote: > > > would love to join...lynette > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Matt, I'd like more information on your site also. Marie matt cole wrote: > This is the list to be on for Starr information. I was only making a > suggestion. I too enjoy reading everyones input. I also have a MYFAMILY.COM > site. If anyone wishes to be a part of it please let me know. I would be > more than happy to invite them. I find that there is only one or two in a > family that is interested in geneaology. I being the only one in my > family(it seems). I would welcome some activist at my site. > I would also like to be invited to any and all on this forum if they have a > MYFAMILY.COM site. (if I have not currently been invited) > Thank you in advance. > > >From: LBCane@aol.com > >Reply-To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com > >To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: Suggestion for combining info > >Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:28:21 EST > > > >I thought that if you are researching the Starrs that this was the list to > >get on..or if someone had info to pass on that was of genealogy nature I > >thought that is what this list was for...me personally I like reading and > >Sending Interviews...and the listings of other Starrs..even though they are > >not mine..sometimes you never know what clue you might get from them...if I > >am wrong please let me know....I will find the right list to get > >on....Thank > >you LBCane@aol.com > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Lynette, I have emailed Julia and have not yet received an answer. She may not be able to get on the net as often as some of us do. I'll be sure to tell you whatever I get from her. If you would like to email her also, her e-address is: <tjbmylove@juno.com> If you hear from her, we'd all be glad to know what she says. Thank you. Crystal TexasRio@aol.com wrote: > HOW DO WE GET INTO CONTACT WITH JULIA TO SEE IF IT IS SAME AS THAT IS FROM > AUNT MAE AND AUNT CALLIE INFO? SEEMS AS SAME INFO AS i HAVE ,,,WG STARR > ALSO SEEN AS WILLIAM A. STARR MARRIED TEXANNA PETTY ,,,NEED TO KNOW IF SAME > W.STARR > > LYNETTE

Here is an excerpt from a book called, "The Buffalo Ridge Cherokee, A Remnant of a Great Nation Divided" by Horace R. Rice; p. 28-29: "The Cherokee in southwest Virginia are generally white today through intermarriage with European traders and settlers. Donald Wilson Read and Vivian Wilson Santini have researched the Cherokee in southwest Virginia and Donald Wilson Read wrote their findings in "Brief History of and for Northern Tsalagi Tribe of Southwest Virginia (1989). He noted that 'Through intermarriage with the whites and the passage of time, these Cherokee descendants have lost the historical link with their forebearers and are striving today to mend that link and regain some of that personal and inividual dignity.' Their research also indicated that the Cherokee not only hunted in southwest Virginia but also lived in the area. "Martin 'Walkingbear' Wilson, Chief of the Amonsoquath Tribe of Cherokee in Missouri, indicated that some of his ancestors once lived in Virginia. His narrative is as follows: "'The Treaty of Hopewell ceded or gave the Cherokee land to the British. The British passed a few trinkets to the Indians and took land. The very act, the Treaty of Hopewell, caused the Chickamauga Cherokee to split from the main body of the Cherokee. They went to Missouri and Arkansas with Chief Bowles. After the Treaty of Hopwell, they split off into many sections. Some are in Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, West Virginia, Indiana, Illinois, Ohio, New Mexio, Colorado, Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa, Virginia, and other states. "'A goodly part of the Amonsoquath Tribe left (Virginia and North Carolina) and went to Missouri in 1793. Some stayed in the southwestern Virginia area. They are in Cedar Bluff, Tazewell, and other cities in southwest Virginia. A large part of Cherokee who could pass themselves off as white did so. It was called survival. Our people are still in southwest Virginia today, on ancient grounds and will stay. They decided to learn the white man's ways and raise their children in traditional ways. They would live and multiply, and go as white, if necessary. If you can go for white and profit from it, then you will. Chief Wilson goes on the say that some Cherokee fought for the Union in the Civil War and some fought for the Confederacy. There were even two battles where they fought against each other--the Battle of Wilson Creek in Greene Co, Missouri, and the Battle of Pea Ridge, Arkansas. Mr. Rice goes on: "Chief Wilson indicated that his early ancestors, the Bollings and others, once lived in Virginia. He noted that a large nuimber of his relatives in Missouri are descended from and related to ancestors 'on the Cherokee rolls' (Wilson, 'The Amonsoquath Tribe of Cherokee'). Some of the history of the Amonsoquath Tribe of Cherokee, Ozark, Missouri, is recorded in 'The Amonsoquath Tribe of Cherokee', 1994. "Martin Wilson indicated that his relatives in Missouri can trace their ancestors back to Pocahontas and John Rolfe (married in 1614). 'The Amonsoquath Tribe--Heritage of a Proud Race, 1593-1993' and 'A Memoir of a Portion of the Bolling Family in England and Virginia, 1868' have been used as the Amonsoquath Tribe's referral sources...." and--"...The Isbells in Appomattox, Oklahoma, and North Carolina have Cherokee family traditions. The Isbell surname is a traditional Cherokee family name (Starr)." It goes on to say that these were members of the Buffalo Ridge Band of Cherokee and were related to some members of the Tsalagi Cherokee Tribe of Southwest Virginia. Marie--He also gives a list of names that these Cherokee folks intermarried with. One was "Sneed (Snead)" . I thought you might be interested to know that. I know this is long, but I thought it was interesting, especially if we do find that our Adam's father, whether Henry or whatever, was from Virginia. Crystal

Hi all! In the book, "Cherokee Roots, Volume 1" on page 9 it states the following: "Records of how many people, and when, moved west are limited. It is know for a fact, that as early as the 1790's some Cherokee moved into southeastern Missouri. It is probable that there were already Cherokee settled in the Missouri area. Due to earthquakes and flooding in Missouri, around 1812, most of the Cherokee moved into northwestern Arkansas." It seems to me that with the family of Adam and Hannah being in the southwestern corner of Missouri in the early 1800's that this may apply to them. The Cherokee lands in Oklahoma were in the northeastern corner and along the eastern border of that state. Sometimes the Starrs and others seemed to cross over into northwestern Arkansas to escape harm. Lynette, you mentioned that the family had gone to Oklahoma to sign the roll when the murder of someone was blamed on them and they fled the area as instructed by their father for safety. Do you know what roll that was? "Cherokee Roots, Volume 2" says, "The Old Settler Roll of 1851 was a listing of Cherokee still living in 1851 who were already residing in Oklahoma when the main body of the Cherokee arrived in the winter of 1839--as a result of the Treaty of New Echota (1835). Approximately one third of the Cherokee people at that time were Old Settlers and two thirds were new arrivals." My guess was that this is the roll your source mentioned, but it seems that some of John's and Andrew's children were born in Missouri up until 1857 or so. By 1859 they were in Texas. The next roll was in 1852, The Drennen Roll. This was the census of the new arrivals of 1839. This was the New Echota Treaty group--"Trail of Tears" we all have heard about. The Dawes Roll continued for a long time. It began in 1898 and went until 1914. It was too late to be the one we're looking for. All the others were either too early or too late. Does anyone know the answer to this? Crystal

I'm glad you're on this list. I also enjoy learning all the things that are shared here. Keep up the good work. You never know when a piece of information will fit. Crystal LBCane@aol.com wrote: > I thought that if you are researching the Starrs that this was the list to > get on..or if someone had info to pass on that was of genealogy nature I > thought that is what this list was for...me personally I like reading and > Sending Interviews...and the listings of other Starrs..even though they are > not mine..sometimes you never know what clue you might get from them...if I > am wrong please let me know....I will find the right list to get on....Thank > you LBCane@aol.com