I'm totally on the same wave length as Diana Starr here ! Neal Shrum (Starr) ---------- > From: Diana Starr <razzberri@earthlink.net> > To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Suggestion for combining info > Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 5:43 AM > > I agree with you. I don't know if I'd care to go someplace else to see if I > could find stuff on my Starrs. This list is supposed to be open for > discussion about the Starrs and even though many are not mine, I still enjoy > reading about them and learning about them. After all, they are part of our > history no matter what line they are from. > And I love getting the interviews, storied and other info.... > We share here and learn and help each other out no matter what Starr we are > searching for. > di > > LBCane@aol.com wrote: > > > I thought that if you are researching the Starrs that this was the list to > > get on..or if someone had info to pass on that was of genealogy nature I > > thought that is what this list was for...me personally I like reading and > > Sending Interviews...and the listings of other Starrs..even though they are > > not mine..sometimes you never know what clue you might get from them...if I > > am wrong please let me know....I will find the right list to get on....Thank > > you LBCane@aol.com

Thats right NO ATTACHMENTS will get through on this list! I've tried and seen others also! Neal Shrum ---------- > From: sbysinger <sbysinger@sprintmail.com> > To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: william-texanna > Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 11:53 PM > > You can't send attachments to the list....doesn't compute! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marie Bailey <mbaile2@bellsouth.net> > To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com <STARR-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 8:26 AM > Subject: Re: william-texanna > > > >Lynette, > > No pictures have appeared for me on this list. Was it supposed to be here > or > >somewhere else? > >Marie > > > >TexasRio@aol.com wrote: > > > >> hey eveybody....were you able to see photo? please let me know if > correct > >> format thanks lynette > > > >______________________________

Wow weeee ! "Osiyo" (hello=Cherokee), Yaall ! Man did you get my attention with this e-mail ! I have been "cut-off" from the internet for `bout two weeks or more so TODAY was my 1st. chance to see this mail ! I'm decended from STARR/SHRUM Grandparents, with the "Starr " name being from the Maternal side ! (Grandma Rose Starr). Grandma had siblings? I use a question mark because I've had so many people say "It looks like were related", until I mention those sibling's names, then it's "NO I guess were not after all we dont have those names" ! Also I have no proof of these siblings ever have been real ! But then I have NO Parents for poor Grandma. Cherokee people (if imdeed I'm decended from Cherokee) have a lomg history of "lies" in respect to relatives, and such, OUT OF NECESADITY ! I'm afraid, as many hid from the death squads of the Cherokee groups that did not like that "TREATY" that was signed by a STARR, not to mention the whites that persecuted my people all over the regions "back east", (I'm in Washington stste, transplanted "Okie"). So with all this in mind I'm going to give TO YOU those siblings ! Milly, Betty, Samp,Brawney. That's it ! I hope we are related, it sure would halt a portion of the search that has given me some pleasure, and much concern, and pain! Looking forward to your corospondance in the future Neal Shrum born 4/13/55 California ; to Edgar Shrum born 1895 Arkansas ! Wado (thank you) Neal---------- > From: TexasRio@aol.com > To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Fwd: [CROSS and starr marriges Family in Texas > Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 8:57 AM > > > --part1_0.4a8204de.2551c362_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hello everyone...Well more coincidences my greatgrandmother was a > Cross and her father in law was ANDREW A, STARR -PERMILIA(millie) PEARSON > FAMILY family from JOHN and TABITHA ties into interesting saga of cattle > drive with andrew and curly bob,,john and grandson hankins living with > him,,,off of pearson line with info of thomas starr,,,now a saphronia we > thought was a Starr could she be a cross? because alot of my info too came > from cross bible....could have been transposed to other starr members > incorrect line? HELP hahah > > > by the way when i started researching i had hoped i could write a book on > info...and at lest so could explain some terrible tempers of family lines,,,, > > > wonder if GREATS ARE CURLING IN SPIRIT WORLD OR SMILING?// lynette > > --part1_0.4a8204de.2551c362_boundary > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Disposition: inline > > Return-Path: <CROSS-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Received: from rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (rly-yc04.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.36]) > by air-yc04.mail.aol.com (v62.15) with ESMTP; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 > 11:17:42 -0500 > Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) by > rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (v62.10) with ESMTP; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:17:04 > -0400 > Received: (from slist@localhost) > by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00798; > Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:16:02 -0800 (PST) > Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:16:02 -0800 (PST) > Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19991103161113.006a55ac@pop.usit.net> > X-Sender: joug@pop.usit.net > X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:11:13 -0500 > Old-To: CROSS-L@rootsweb.com > From: Kacy Guffey <joug@usit.net> > Subject: Re: [CROSS] Cross Family in Texas > Resent-Message-ID: <x7Rdd.A.xK.B_FI4@bl-11.rootsweb.com> > To: CROSS-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-From: CROSS-L@rootsweb.com > Reply-To: CROSS-L@rootsweb.com > X-Mailing-List: <CROSS-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/605 > X-Loop: CROSS-L@rootsweb.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: CROSS-L-request@rootsweb.com > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hello my name is Jeanette and I am also doing research on the Cross families > do you by chance have any connection to the Cross' of TN if so how. > Let me know and I will see if I can make a connection somehow. Thanks > Jeanette > > > > > > At 01:07 PM 10/29/99 -0400, you wrote: > >I am researching the family of Jasper N. "Jack" Cross who was born in Missouri > >Oct. 1845. Here is a lot of the information that I have gathered on this family > >thus far. I hope this information will be helpful to someone out there. > > > >According to family legend, Jack Cross was a scout for the Dalton Gang. > However, > >I have found no evidence of this association. My aunt once told me that > this was > >a myth and that Jack Cross was a military man. I have been unable to find any > >military records for him yet. Also, I've been told by other members of my > family > >that the Cross family was mean, but no one has ever been able to give me > >specifics. I noticed in posting on the Cross Mailing list that another Cross > >family in Texas was supposedly mean. > > > >Jasper N. "Jack" Cross married Sophronia Criswell Aug. 15, 1867 in Fayette > >County, TX. I'm not sure how he ended up in Fayette County, TX. > > > >>From 1870 Fayette County TX Federal Census Page 436 > >Cross, Jasper N., 24, M, W Place of birth: MO > >Cross, Saphronia, 19, F, W, Place of birth: TX > > > >>From 1880 McLennan County TX Federal Census, Page 212 > >June 4 & 5, 1880 > >Surname, Given Rc Sx Age Rel. Occ Birth PL Dad BP Mom BP > >Cross, Jasper N. W M 34 Farmer Missouri Alabama? Alabama? > >Sophronia W F 29 Wife Keeping Home Texas Texas Texas > >Asa B W M 8 Son > >Dice E. W M 6 Son > >Orie O (sp?) W F 4 Daughter > >Jasper J ? W M 3 Son > >Anie W F 6/12 Daughter > > > >1900 Mitchell County TX Soundex Census Records > >Cross, Jasper N. - white - October 1845 - age 54 - born in MO - living in > >Mitchell County. > >Cross, Sophronia - wife - December 1850 - age 49 - born in Texas > >Cross, Dice E. - son - August 1876 - age 23 - born in Texas > >Cross, Jessie - daughter - September 1881 - age 18 - born in Texas > >Cross, Lillie - daughter - December 1882 - age 16 - born in Texas > >Cross, Bird - son - October 1884 - age 15 - born in Texas > >Cross, Mabel - daughter - December 1889 - age 10 - born in Texas > > > > > >Several Cross children lived in Martin County, TX for either many years or for > >just awhile: > >Dice E. Cross married Rhoda Fletcher. (I have a copy of Dice's Obit). > >A. B. "Boon" Cross married Emily Fletcher. > >Mabel Cross married Samuel Luke Greaves/Graves (later moved to Odessa, Ector CO > >TX) > >Jessie Cross married a Mr. Mabry > > > >The Martin County Museum has several items donated by the Cross family > including > >a black dress worn by Sophronia Criswell Cross. There is also a > >picture of several Cross children. > > > >My G Grandmother, Lillie Cross, married James Yancy "Jim" Greaves/Graves and > >lived in Dawson County. They had 7 daughters. Lillie & Mabel Cross married into > >the Greaves family. There has been a lot of genealogy research on this family. > >The father of James Yancy and Samuel Luke was Lawrence Decatur Greaves. The > >Greaves family lived in Coleman County. Several other Greaves brothers ended up > >settling in Dawson County. > > > >Jasper N. "Jack" Cross married again after his first wife, Sophronia, died > >between 1900 and 1904 (location unknown). > > > >>From Howard County TX Web Site, part of the TexGenProject > >Howard County Marriages 1903-1906 > >Groom / Bride / Date / Minister or witnesses > >Jack Cross and Treacy McKinzie-May 22, 1904 > > > >1910 Dawson County TX Census > >Cross, Jasper N. Age 62 Born: Missouri, Parents from Missouri > >Cross, Teresa Age 25 Born: Texas > >Cross, Jasper N. Age 1 Born: Texas > > > >Jack's 2nd wife died in 1914 and is buried in Lamesa, Dawson CO, TX > > > >Dawson County TX Cemetery record: > >Cross, Theresa born 30 July 1884 died 12 Jan 1914 Dawson Co buried in Lamesa > >Cemetery > > > >Jack remarried a 3rd time: > >Howard County TX Marriages 1912-1916 > >Jack Cross and Miss Annie Myers-Jan.6, 1915 > > > >Annie Myers Cross died 11/20/1919 in Lubbock CO. TX. According to her death > >certificate, she was born abt. 1890 and her father was from Russia. She died of > >Pellegra, which was common in those times, especially to poor people that ate a > >diet mostly of cornbread, salt pork and molasses. Pellegra is a Vit. B > defiency, > >specifically a defiency in Niacin. Her death certificate was signed by Jack > >Cross of Lamesa. > > > >I have lost track of Jack Cross after 1919. I have yet to find any death record > >of Jasper N. "Jack" Cross in Texas. My next stop is to research in the 1920 > >Federal Census. > > > >I have more information on this Cross family and would love to exchange > >information with any other researchers working on this family. I have a lot of > >info on the Cross family in Martin County. > > > >Has anyone found a Jasper N. Cross in Missouri, born in 1845? If so, what > >county? > > > > > > > > > > > --part1_0.4a8204de.2551c362_boundary--

Believe me Neal I understand. I think my Starr's are all but nonexistence sometimes. >From: "Neal & Barbara Shrum" <block@thurston.com> >Reply-To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com >To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Suggestion for combining info >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 05:30:36 -0800 > >Hello Matt Cole, I misunderstood your "offer " ; SORRY ! I've not been so >involved with this site, as I can't seem to ever find ANY, clues on my one >& only Starr to date ie; my Grandma ; Rose/Rosie/Rose Ann/ >Starr ! But so >Ya'all will know I'm reading yur entries but never see any links ! Glad to >have this source though! I sure like hearing all these names, and stories! >Neal Shrum > >---------- > > From: matt cole <mcwolf@hotmail.com> > > To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: Suggestion for combining info > > Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 3:46 AM > > > > I think there is a misunderstanding here. I by no means want or request > > anyone leaving this discussion group. I was originally suggesting a site >to > > download all of our information and resources. Realizing this one >discussion > > group is not the only avenue to attain information (Most everyone here > > checks out other sites..ancestry.com, genforums, ect.), I was hoping to >have > > a centralized place for everyone on this discussion group. Those that >have > > or are participating in a MYFAMILY.COM site probably understands why I >have > > suggested them. > > By most of the responses I have read. The majority seems to like >acquiring > > the info from here alone(by the individuals here). So I then asked >anyone > > who would be interested to let me know and I will invite them to my >site. > > Not to persuade them to leave but rather an easy access to what I have. > > Does this make since or am I making it out more than it seems? > > > > > > > > >From: Diana Starr <razzberri@earthlink.net> > > >Reply-To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: Suggestion for combining info > > >Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 19:32:56 -0500 > > > > > >Lynette, > > >Don't leave us though..... BEing one of the few who is interested in > > >the Adam, Hannah and family, we need to stick together so we can share > > >information. You have a wealth of info there kiddo and we'd love to >see > > >what you have. By sharing with us, you help us all tie in to our roots > > >and this is very important. I think you have probably more than most >of > > >us do. I know Crystal, Ted, and I -- not to mention Glenn (who's not >on > > >this list but comes from Adam through Catherine) -- are all interested > > >in learning everything we can about our roots. It seems to me you >have > > >a lot you could share if only you would do so. Please don't leave us > > >all to continue to search and never be able to find what we need. By > > >sharing, you lose nothing but may gain a lot. Definitely good family > > >friends -- if nothing more. I figure if we are all from Adam -- no > > >matter if we're from Orville, George, Catherine, John, Andrew, Givens - > > >- or any of the others -- then we are family -- distant cousins, but > > >still family. And family helps each other out. So please share what > > >you have with us. If not over the internet, please make copies of > > >what all you have and send to one or all of us. I know I'll be more > > >than happy to pay for a copy of everything you have now and everything > > >you come up with in the future. If you want, make me a copy and then > > >I'll make copies of it all and send to the others. B y sharing we all > > >gain; by not sharing, we all lose out in the long run. > > >Please think about this, ok? > > >And, feel free to join Matt, I might check in there too. Just don't > > >know if it's be a good place for me as I am trying to search our roots > > >first and then am open for other "lines." Make sense? > > >Take care and stay in touch and please keep the info coming. > > >di > > > > > >TexasRio@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > would love to join...lynette > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

How about this then. Since we are unable to send attachments through rootsweb. We could at least use the free site to send them there and inform everyone here it's there. I would like to get some use out of it. >From: "Neal & Barbara Shrum" <block@thurston.com> >Reply-To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com >To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Suggestion for combining info >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 05:19:09 -0800 > >I'm totally on the same wave length as Diana Starr here ! Neal Shrum >(Starr) > >---------- > > From: Diana Starr <razzberri@earthlink.net> > > To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: Suggestion for combining info > > Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 5:43 AM > > > > I agree with you. I don't know if I'd care to go someplace else to see >if I > > could find stuff on my Starrs. This list is supposed to be open for > > discussion about the Starrs and even though many are not mine, I still >enjoy > > reading about them and learning about them. After all, they are part of >our > > history no matter what line they are from. > > And I love getting the interviews, storied and other info.... > > We share here and learn and help each other out no matter what Starr we >are > > searching for. > > di > > > > LBCane@aol.com wrote: > > > > > I thought that if you are researching the Starrs that this was the >list >to > > > get on..or if someone had info to pass on that was of genealogy nature >I > > > thought that is what this list was for...me personally I like reading >and > > > Sending Interviews...and the listings of other Starrs..even though >they >are > > > not mine..sometimes you never know what clue you might get from >them...if I > > > am wrong please let me know....I will find the right list to get >on....Thank > > > you LBCane@aol.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Why not upload it to the MYFAMILY.COM site for this discussion list? >From: "Neal & Barbara Shrum" <block@thurston.com> >Reply-To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com >To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: william-texanna >Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 03:25:05 -0800 > >Thats right NO ATTACHMENTS will get through on this list! I've tried and >seen others also! Neal Shrum > >---------- > > From: sbysinger <sbysinger@sprintmail.com> > > To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: william-texanna > > Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 11:53 PM > > > > You can't send attachments to the list....doesn't compute! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Marie Bailey <mbaile2@bellsouth.net> > > To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com <STARR-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 8:26 AM > > Subject: Re: william-texanna > > > > > > >Lynette, > > > No pictures have appeared for me on this list. Was it supposed to be >here > > or > > >somewhere else? > > >Marie > > > > > >TexasRio@aol.com wrote: > > > > > >> hey eveybody....were you able to see photo? please let me know if > > correct > > >> format thanks lynette > > > > > >______________________________ > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hi Lynda, What site are you talking about, sounds interesting! Thanks, Diane S. Reed ----- Original Message ----- From: <LBCane@aol.com> To: <STARR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 9:35 PM Subject: James Starr Researcher > If you haven't gone to this site try it...there is a lot of Starrs on > it....you'll get the index, click on Starr surname and have a ball!!!!! > you'll enjoy going through all the names...if you need more info contact me > through the list...I might have a little more info...we won't know until you > ask....good luck LBCane@aol.com Lynda C. >

Hi, I have posted my Starr's a few times on this list and have had no responses. But it's been a while so I thought I'd try again. Joseph STARR b:May 4, 1844 in Germany d: July 5, 1915 in WI He is buried along with his wife Anna SHILLING STARR and their son Frank J. STARR at calvary cemetery in Milwaukee, WI. He also had a daughter Mary Elizabeth STARR b: Dec. 12, 1881 in Chilton, WI d: May 29, 1952 in Milwaukee, WI (she was my great grandmother) She married Aloysius John Bernard OFFENBACHER on June 29, 1904 and had 2 daughters. This is all I know and that side of my family never talked about their relatives. There must be some deep dark secret they wanted to take to their graves with them or something. It seems to be working. Any ideas on where to try next or if anyone has run across this lone limb of the STARR tree it would be great to hear from you. Thanks, Renee

Tex, The story goes as so: Andrew and William left Ark., in the 1880's after the signing of the Dawes Rolls, to OK, they left their and moved on to the Rush Col.,,TX., part, is that your story too? Carol Ann,

hI lb, We are cousins...i descend for George Calvin Starr the eldest son of James Starr and Julina Angelina Battenfield-Starr m. 28 July 1850...i thought that i sent this info to you...i tried to send you the Cherokee Starr's Application Rolls, but it was returned! Carol Ann,

This is my family. CA means they were enumerated in Cannon Co in TN. Michele Snider > > Jim Wilson wrote: > > > pg. 138...Lewis Star/Starr was in 1850 TN census with Mary 45, Jane 20, > > Elizabeth 18, Mary 16, Lewis 14, Joseph 12, Thomas 10, Josefine 7, Ruth > > 3, OHIO unk, CA-431-760...does anyone know what that means {CA-431-760}? > > > >

Ted can probably help with the "where" question as well. Glenn Johnson is the person I got my info from. I'm trying to get him to join our family here.... He's also a "cousin" and searching the Adam Starr line. Hey, Ted, Crystal, Lynette -- what has been determined regarding Adam's parents???? Are they Henry Starr and Catherine Wells? Or was it another John Starr???? Anyone? I'm still trying to solve this one as well. Take care. Love to all my kin, di Crystal Burleson wrote: > Lynette, that would be great. You have helped all of us alot with your latest > information posted. > > I, too would like to know the census information, etc. on Adam and Hannah's > children. I look forward to seeing that put on by someone as well. Thanks to you > all. Crystal > > TexasRio@aol.com wrote: > > > Givens at 16 was working for a ranch and had no family. John M. Starr shows > > up in the County off and on and takes in orphaned kids of the Starr family. > > Will send list of children to help with Orville's kids. Lynette

Michele, This is James McMinn Starr, am i right? If so this is the James Starr that i have been looking for...do you know if they had a son James who had a son George Washington Starr b. abt. 1803, TN., who m. Elizabeth in TN... Carol Ann,

Lynette, Send it on. I'm sure we're all interested -- especially Crystal. I'd like to know too. Hon, you have so much info-- I think you must have been chosen to teach us all our ancestry. Keep it coming! Love ya, cous, di TexasRio@aol.com wrote: > Givens at 16 was working for a ranch and had no family. John M. Starr shows > up in the County off and on and takes in orphaned kids of the Starr family. > Will send list of children to help with Orville's kids. Lynette

Looking for information on the following Starr. Thomas Bandec Starr b. between 1868 and 1880 possibly in OK, d. March 31, 1944, in Logan Co., AR. Married December 6, 1915, in Pittsburg Co., OK to Emma Jane Weaver b. June 17, 1897, in WV, d. March 29, 1990, in Ft. Worth, TX. They divorced sometime around 1920-1925. The reason for the 12 yr. gab in his birth date is according to their marriage record it states he was 35 in 1915. On my mothers birth record in December 1915 it says he was 40 (one year later??) and on his death record in 1944 it says he was 76 when he died. Also according to the marriage record they were living in Tahlequah Co., OK before they were married in Pittsburg Co., OK. On Thomas' death record it states his mother was Lizzie and his father was Tom. Any information on the above information would be greatly appreciated. Jerry Brown

di,,, did you look at 1910 Frio Texas census and see cousin Johnson on it...Let other cousin know please....Lynette

If you haven't gone to this site try it...there is a lot of Starrs on it....you'll get the index, click on Starr surname and have a ball!!!!! you'll enjoy going through all the names...if you need more info contact me through the list...I might have a little more info...we won't know until you ask....good luck LBCane@aol.com Lynda C.

1910 Frio census Starr Andrew 48 Martha 40 Ethel 16 Charity 12 Chas 10 Francis 7 Danial 2 1910 Matagorda Census Starr Andrew A. 56 - MO Permilia 51 -ILL. son Jesse 13 son Merton 10 son Andrew 22 Johnson, Jack 49 Iowa (cousin ?) is this family to Mr.Johnson that is helping with Adam Starr? 1910 Bastrop Census Starr Hettie,B 29 son Alvin J 7 son Charlie 6

I have some info on the Starr family...but I need to know who to send it to...is Jim, Michels or Carol Ann..Thank you LBCane@aol.com

Crystal, Could be. I've been watching for kids too -- because of Orville's kids being run off when he and his wife were killed. I read something that said they were killed by Quantrail's raiders. Not long ago either. I'll see if I can find it and if so I'll let you know. I really wouldn't be surprised if Givens was Orville's son -- but then who is Richard??? A cousin of Orville and his siblings? Maybe. Interesting trying to piece all this together. Take care. di Crystal Burleson wrote: > Every time I see a Starr like this in Texas that was born between 1860-1870 I > can't help but wonder if it is one of Orville and Susan's orphaned children. I > may never know, but he would fit--being named after Orville's brother, Givens > and all. Just hoping to find some of them and prove it someday. Crystal > > Diana Starr wrote: > > > Don't know anything about this Givens -- he would have been born in > > 1864.... But since the names are used over and over and over again........ > > That's why we see so many Johns, Henrys, James, Thomases, etc. Wonder > > whose son this Givens was??? And Richard? Know nothing about him > > either. It's possible -- age wise -- that Richard could have been the > > father of this Givens even. Hmmmmm > > Anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks Lynette. Wish it were my Givens but it's not. Nephew?? > > di > > > > TexasRio@aol.com wrote: > > > > > 1880 Callahan co. texas census > > > > > > Starr, Givens w m 16 hired hand , farm labor tex,? ? page 329 > > > > > > Starr, Richard w m married 35 D&P R.R. ohio,ohio,ohio page 324 > > > > > > the age for Givens is to differnt than if brother to andrew,orville.john > > > etc....but lot of coincidences Richard I do not anything about,,, > > > > > > any info please or hope this helps someone Lynette