I was looking for desendents or family of Elmer Romayn Starr born 1871 in NY and moved to Warren co. Illinois with mother Amelia Annette Starr and brother Emory Alfred Starr and sister Susan E Starr I have there ansestors and know most every thing about Emory my great great grandfather, I do know Elmer married Viva Hicks in 1898 in Warren co. Il. and Susan married William Morris 1901 in Warren co. And their Mother Amelia remarried to Perrine Holman 1881 any info on any of this family would be greatly apreciated Thanks Dave Starr

Great Job, Crystal! I am really impressed. Regarding Caleb Starr. I, too, believe that many Starrs were NOT from Caleb. And no, you didn't have to be from him to be a Cherokee. That's poppycock! I have no knowledge of Vivian Wilson Santini's research but would be very interested in knowing what you find out;.... I agree, the only way we can solve our mystery regarding Adam Starr is by sharing info. And I am hoping to get more and more. Right now, I don't really have more than what I've already shared but each time I get something, I will be more than happy to share with you and the other (Adam) Starr researchers.... By the way, we have added two more new cousins, a brother and sister.... Do we know for sure that Adam was born in VA? I haven't found this to be a fact as yet..... I have him as being born in Pulaski County, MO. I just don't know. I also had him being born in 1804 but know this is wrong.... He was born in 1799... Interesting -- Starr was sometimes translated as "Isbell." I did not know this. Where did you find this? I would greatly appreciate any info you come up with, Cous! And thank you very much. Hugs, di Crystal Burleson wrote: > Hi everyone, > > In my research on Adam Starr and his roots I have come up with some > interesting information (new to me at least) that I want to share with > you and see if you have any further information of this type. > > We know that on the 1850 census he is down as having been born in > Virginia about 1799. I found the following in a couple of pages of a > book I copied some time back and stuck away--glad I did now. Anyway, the > book is "The Buffalo Ridge Cherokee. A Remnant of a Great Nation > Divided". In it for one thing it says (quoting Martin "Walkingbear" > Wilson, Chief of the Amonsoquath Tribe of Cherokee in Missouri): > "The 'Treaty of Hopewell ceded or gave the Cherokee land to the British. > The British passed a few trinkets to the Indians and took land. The very > act, the Treaty of Hopewell," (1785) "caused the Chickamauga Cherokee to > split from the main body of the Cherokee." (From other sources we learn > that a few years later most of these Chickamauga Cherokee rejoined the > mainline Cherokee.) "They went to Missouri and Arkansas with Chief > Bowles. After the Treaty of Hopewell, they split off into many sections. > Some are in Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, > Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, West Virginia, Indiana, Illinois, > Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa, Virginia, and other > states." > > He goes on to say, "A goodly part of the Amonsoquath Tribe left > (Virginia and North Carolina) and went to Missouri in 1793. Some stayed > in the southwestern Virginia area. They are in Cedar Bluff, Tazewell, > and other cities in southwest Virginia. A large part of Cherokee who > could pass themselves off as white did so. It was called survival. Our > people are still in southwest Virginia today, on ancient grounds and > will stay. They decided to learn the white man's ways and raise their > children in traditional ways. They would live and multiply, and go as > white, if necessary. If you can go for white and profit from it, then > you will." > > Now, if Adam was born in Virginia in 1799 it stands to reason that his > family was one that was in this group and stayed in Virginia. Another > book (I forgot to write down the title, but will go back to the library > and get it, Sorry.) says about the Cherokee War in 1759-1761, "Although > the Cherokee War involved mainly South Carolina, it started in Virginia. > Virginia had recruited four hundred Cherokee warriors to accompany the > British-American expedition against the French in western Pennsylvania > in 1758. Unpaid for their services (they had been promised pay), the > major part of the Cherokee contingent defected from the army and drifted > home through western Virginia...." It goes on to say that in Nov. of > 1761 they "concluded peace with Osteneco, Oconostota, and other tribal > leaders representing the Overhill Cherokees (the northernmost branch of > the tribe)." Apparently there were three basic groups of Cherokee towns > in the early days (1500's, 1600's, early 1700's). The northernmost group > was the upper or Overhill. Most of this area is in the eastern Tennessee > mountains and in the headwaters of the Tennessee River northward in the > Appalachian mountain range. The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma has retained > the Overhill dialect. (The Qualla Cherokee in North Carolina has > preserved the dialect of the middle-valley towns, and the lower town > dialect has disappeared.) > > I also found references to a Vivian Wilson Santini, Chief of the > Northern Tsalagi Tribe of Southwest Virginia, who has "conducted > extensive research on the Cherokee of Southwest Virginia, Tennessee, and > North Carolina." I am in the process of trying to find out more about > her research and findings. Do any of you have anything about this? I > would love to see what you know about them. I really think that this is > the only way we will ever solve the mystery about our Starrs and their > Cherokee background. > > On Ancestry.com I found many Starrs on the 1790-1870 Census records. I > made a map and marked where they were living. Many of them were > clustered in the southwestern part of Virginia and across the line into > West Virginia (which at the time, of course, was a part of Virginia). > Interesting stuff when considering the information above. > > A seperate reference states that Starr is a traditional Cherokee name > and was also sometimes translated "Isbell". I know that many folks think > that the only Cherokee Starrs had to descend from Caleb Starr, the > Irishman who married a Cherokee; but I think that's just not true. I > think that there must have been other Starrs even before Caleb came to > Indian territory. I'm sure going to try to find out. > > I know this is long. I hope you make sense of it and let me have your > input. I have ordered "The Buffalo Ridge Cherokee, A Remnant of a Great > Nation Divided" by interlibrary loan and should be getting it soon as > well as a couple of other books. I'll let you know what else I find in > them. > > Crystal

Hi everyone, In my research on Adam Starr and his roots I have come up with some interesting information (new to me at least) that I want to share with you and see if you have any further information of this type. We know that on the 1850 census he is down as having been born in Virginia about 1799. I found the following in a couple of pages of a book I copied some time back and stuck away--glad I did now. Anyway, the book is "The Buffalo Ridge Cherokee. A Remnant of a Great Nation Divided". In it for one thing it says (quoting Martin "Walkingbear" Wilson, Chief of the Amonsoquath Tribe of Cherokee in Missouri): "The 'Treaty of Hopewell ceded or gave the Cherokee land to the British. The British passed a few trinkets to the Indians and took land. The very act, the Treaty of Hopewell," (1785) "caused the Chickamauga Cherokee to split from the main body of the Cherokee." (From other sources we learn that a few years later most of these Chickamauga Cherokee rejoined the mainline Cherokee.) "They went to Missouri and Arkansas with Chief Bowles. After the Treaty of Hopewell, they split off into many sections. Some are in Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, West Virginia, Indiana, Illinois, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa, Virginia, and other states." He goes on to say, "A goodly part of the Amonsoquath Tribe left (Virginia and North Carolina) and went to Missouri in 1793. Some stayed in the southwestern Virginia area. They are in Cedar Bluff, Tazewell, and other cities in southwest Virginia. A large part of Cherokee who could pass themselves off as white did so. It was called survival. Our people are still in southwest Virginia today, on ancient grounds and will stay. They decided to learn the white man's ways and raise their children in traditional ways. They would live and multiply, and go as white, if necessary. If you can go for white and profit from it, then you will." Now, if Adam was born in Virginia in 1799 it stands to reason that his family was one that was in this group and stayed in Virginia. Another book (I forgot to write down the title, but will go back to the library and get it, Sorry.) says about the Cherokee War in 1759-1761, "Although the Cherokee War involved mainly South Carolina, it started in Virginia. Virginia had recruited four hundred Cherokee warriors to accompany the British-American expedition against the French in western Pennsylvania in 1758. Unpaid for their services (they had been promised pay), the major part of the Cherokee contingent defected from the army and drifted home through western Virginia...." It goes on to say that in Nov. of 1761 they "concluded peace with Osteneco, Oconostota, and other tribal leaders representing the Overhill Cherokees (the northernmost branch of the tribe)." Apparently there were three basic groups of Cherokee towns in the early days (1500's, 1600's, early 1700's). The northernmost group was the upper or Overhill. Most of this area is in the eastern Tennessee mountains and in the headwaters of the Tennessee River northward in the Appalachian mountain range. The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma has retained the Overhill dialect. (The Qualla Cherokee in North Carolina has preserved the dialect of the middle-valley towns, and the lower town dialect has disappeared.) I also found references to a Vivian Wilson Santini, Chief of the Northern Tsalagi Tribe of Southwest Virginia, who has "conducted extensive research on the Cherokee of Southwest Virginia, Tennessee, and North Carolina." I am in the process of trying to find out more about her research and findings. Do any of you have anything about this? I would love to see what you know about them. I really think that this is the only way we will ever solve the mystery about our Starrs and their Cherokee background. On Ancestry.com I found many Starrs on the 1790-1870 Census records. I made a map and marked where they were living. Many of them were clustered in the southwestern part of Virginia and across the line into West Virginia (which at the time, of course, was a part of Virginia). Interesting stuff when considering the information above. A seperate reference states that Starr is a traditional Cherokee name and was also sometimes translated "Isbell". I know that many folks think that the only Cherokee Starrs had to descend from Caleb Starr, the Irishman who married a Cherokee; but I think that's just not true. I think that there must have been other Starrs even before Caleb came to Indian territory. I'm sure going to try to find out. I know this is long. I hope you make sense of it and let me have your input. I have ordered "The Buffalo Ridge Cherokee, A Remnant of a Great Nation Divided" by interlibrary loan and should be getting it soon as well as a couple of other books. I'll let you know what else I find in them. Crystal

Good Morning. I am researching my mom's folks and one of her mother's, Mary Susanne Blackledge G., half sisters was Lovie, who wed a Starr and most likely, in Limestone Co. TX. Lovie c1879 was the youngest child of five children, born to the union of Edward and Mary Pate Blackledge G. Martha

Well thank the Creator above!!!! Neal Shrum block@thurston.com, and THANK YOU ! this is a rare bit of Happy news in a world "seemingly" full of so many Tragedies, and Sadness. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crystal Burleson" <cburleso@cybertrails.com> To: <STARR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 5:48 AM Subject: Re: texasrio update > So will I. I appreciate you're sharing this with us, Lynette. God loves > us all. Crystal > > TexasRio@aol.com wrote: > > > Brazos Starr is clear of cancer - leukemia !!!! > > 5 yr old....boy > > God still provides Miracles....... > > > > I will thank him daily,,,,,, >

Thanks CLARA !!! I'm still trying to prove Henry and the Starr's of his family are my Ancestors ! Neal Shrum Grandson of Rosey Starr b: 1866 lived out her days in Indian Territories/Arkansas. block@thurston.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clara Elkins" <elkins@carrollsweb.com> To: <STARR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 11:21 AM Subject: Picture of Harry Starr > Fellow Starr Cousins, received my copy of "Oklahoma Today" magazine yesterday (the one entitled "1900-1999 THE CENTURY IN REVIEW & THE 50 MOST INFLUENTIAL OKLAHOMANS"), and, lo and behold, on page 42 is a picture of Harry Starr with the notation as follows: > > "When the war in Europe in 1916 sent cotton prices falling (at the time the state's largest cash crop), Oklahoma banks engaged in unpopular lending practices and suffered for it at the vengeful hands of thieves. The Working Class Union, a violent group of radicals, were believed to be behind the state's skyrocketing bank robberies--Oklahoma led the nation four to one in such crimes. Above, Henry Starr was known as "Oklahoma's King of the Bank Robbers." > > Thought you all would be interested in this tidbit. Clara in Emporia, Kansas >

Thanks, David, for the information on where to go to find out more about Henry. The picture that is on the website is the same as the picture in the magazine. Have been busy printing ever since I got your message. Again, thanks, Clara

Hi Clara. Just thought you might like this site. http://www.gunslinger.com/henry.htm David Starr ----- Original Message ----- From: Clara Elkins <elkins@carrollsweb.com> To: <STARR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 11:21 AM Subject: Picture of Harry Starr > Fellow Starr Cousins, received my copy of "Oklahoma Today" magazine yesterday (the one entitled "1900-1999 THE CENTURY IN REVIEW & THE 50 MOST INFLUENTIAL OKLAHOMANS"), and, lo and behold, on page 42 is a picture of Harry Starr with the notation as follows: > > "When the war in Europe in 1916 sent cotton prices falling (at the time the state's largest cash crop), Oklahoma banks engaged in unpopular lending practices and suffered for it at the vengeful hands of thieves. The Working Class Union, a violent group of radicals, were believed to be behind the state's skyrocketing bank robberies--Oklahoma led the nation four to one in such crimes. Above, Henry Starr was known as "Oklahoma's King of the Bank Robbers." > > Thought you all would be interested in this tidbit. Clara in Emporia, Kansas > >

The stories about these kids are so touching and we all will keep them in our prayers...I know this may not be what this site is intended for but wanted to let you know....we get so many e-mails that when it comes closer it seems to mean more...and we are in Seattle and the crash of Flt # 261 has touched our lives here....and my husband travels this route so often on business....life is so precious....you family members be strong for those children.....God loves the little children...and so do we....Sandy -----Original Message----- From: Crystal Burleson <cburleso@cybertrails.com> To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com <STARR-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 5:48 AM Subject: Re: texasrio update >So will I. I appreciate you're sharing this with us, Lynette. God loves >us all. Crystal > >TexasRio@aol.com wrote: > >> Brazos Starr is clear of cancer - leukemia !!!! >> 5 yr old....boy >> God still provides Miracles....... >> >> I will thank him daily,,,,,, >

Fellow Starr Cousins, received my copy of "Oklahoma Today" magazine yesterday (the one entitled "1900-1999 THE CENTURY IN REVIEW & THE 50 MOST INFLUENTIAL OKLAHOMANS"), and, lo and behold, on page 42 is a picture of Harry Starr with the notation as follows: "When the war in Europe in 1916 sent cotton prices falling (at the time the state's largest cash crop), Oklahoma banks engaged in unpopular lending practices and suffered for it at the vengeful hands of thieves. The Working Class Union, a violent group of radicals, were believed to be behind the state's skyrocketing bank robberies--Oklahoma led the nation four to one in such crimes. Above, Henry Starr was known as "Oklahoma's King of the Bank Robbers." Thought you all would be interested in this tidbit. Clara in Emporia, Kansas

So will I. I appreciate you're sharing this with us, Lynette. God loves us all. Crystal TexasRio@aol.com wrote: > Brazos Starr is clear of cancer - leukemia !!!! > 5 yr old....boy > God still provides Miracles....... > > I will thank him daily,,,,,,

Katy, I'll pray for him. And I'm sure everyone else will too. Maybe we can have a miracle... I hate to see children suffer with such a disease. It's so sad for everyone concerned. The one thing is that everyone needs to enjoy your nephew as much as they can while they have him. I'm sorry. I'm going to cry.. di KatyScarlt@aol.com wrote: > My heart goes out to you regarding Brazos Starr. I am so happy for you and > for him. > My brother's 13 year old son has lukemia, but he is terminal. He could use a > lot of those miracle prayers.

To anyone out there researching Starr line: Do you have any suggestions as to what records I should research to find a John Starr and wife Rebecca, living in Stokes Co., N.C. in 1830. They had a son, Jonothan born circa 1830 in Stokes Co., N.C. Jonothan worked for a Mr. Blum in 1850 in Forsythes Co., N.C. and later Jonothan went to Floyd Co., VA and married Zilpha(Zylpha) Hylton on Dec 27, 1855 in Floyd Co., VA. Jonothan and Zylpha had 10 children : 1. Jesse Harden Starr b: 24 June 1857, Floyd Co, VA 2. Austin Valentin Starr b: 06 Aug 1859 " 3. Eliza Elizabeth Starr b: 03 Nov 1862 " 4. John Stewart Starr b: 09 Dec 1864 " 5. Solomon Charles Starr b: 03 Nov 1866 " 6. Rebecca Frances Starr b: 03 Aug 1869 " 7. George Henry Starr b: 22 Jul 1872 " 8. Wm Emmette Starr b: 07 Sep 1874 " 9. Elmon Floyd Starr b: 05 Aug 1876 " 10. Mary Nancy Starr b: 21 Nov 1878, Floyd Co, VA I am descended from child # 4- John Stewart Starr. John Stewart Starr married Ellen Catherin Weddle in Floyd Co., VA They eventually migrated out to Oregon and raised a family of 8 children. I have no idea where my "Starr" name originates from. I can't find any records of John and Rebecca Starr in N.C. Any suggestions. Please help.

Oh Lynette, I am sooooooooo happy! That's the most wonderful news I've heard in a long time. Really. Congratulations. I am smiling from ear to ear and crying with happiness. Yea! IT's time like this when I KNOW God loves us and is there for us. Please give that little 5 yr old Brazos a big hug and kiss from his cousin! And one for you too! Thanks for updating me. Go celebrate. Ice cream party or something! Love to you both, di TexasRio@aol.com wrote: > Brazos Starr is clear of cancer - leukemia !!!! > 5 yr old....boy > God still provides Miracles....... > > I will thank him daily,,,,,,

My heart goes out to you regarding Brazos Starr. I am so happy for you and for him. My brother's 13 year old son has lukemia, but he is terminal. He could use a lot of those miracle prayers.

Doug Vaughn wrote: > > To: Bob Henderson, > > Hi Bob, I read your e-mails and perhaps you can help me. My ggg grandfather was > John Starr, wife Rebecca. All I know about them is they lived in Stokes Co., > N.C. in 1830. They had a son named Jonathon, born circa 1830 in Stokes Co., > N.C. Jonathon is found working for a Mr. Blum in 1850 in Forsythes Co., N.C. > (1850 Census and estate records). He apparently went to Floyd Co., Virginia > where he met his wife, Zilpha Hylton. They were married in Floyd Co., VA, Dec > 27, 1855. They had 10 children. I am descended from Jonathan and Zilpha's > fourth child, John Stewart Starr. I am looking for more info on John Starr and > wife Rebecca. There are very few records available to search in N.C. I have no > idea where my Starr line originates from. Any pointers you can give me, or > anyone out there. > Thank you very much, > Melanie Starr in Fresno, CA, Melanie_Starr@ldsmail.org Melanie, I can not place the individuals that you have mentioned. There were at least two sets of Starrs in NC who descendents from the German Stoehr family and changed their name to Starr in the late 1700s. The closest that I can come to what you have set forth above is John Starr 28Dec1768-30Jan1846 who died in Wayne IN and married Rachel Catherine Jobe on 24Mar1795 Rowan NC. They had sons Jesse, Thomas, Jonathan, John Jr. b.1803, William b 18Mar1809 and Samuel b 5Sep1812. Most of these children went to IN. We do not know much about John Jr. born 1803 who married Elizabeth Jobe except that he had daughters Mary b 1826, Nancy 1828, Isaiah Mary 1831, Elizabeth Mry 1834, and Emeline Mary 1840. We do not know what happened to this lineage or whether he also had sons. Jonathan b 1800 married Elizabeth Moore and moved on to Davis Iowa. Jesse married Mary Fall Pauline Jobe and we do not know what happened to this lineage. Thomas married Rachel Jobe and married in Union IN. William b 18Mar1809 married in Union IN. Samuel b 5Sep1812 married in Union IN. The ancestors of these Starrs were in the old Rowan county and later after the counties were divided Scurry and Davie counties. The brother to this group of Starr settled in Guilford NC and raised a large familhy and many of them moved on to IN, IL and WI but I am sure some of them stayed in the area. Wish I could be of more help. Bob Henderson Dallas TX

To: Bob Henderson, Hi Bob, I read your e-mails and perhaps you can help me. My ggg grandfather was John Starr, wife Rebecca. All I know about them is they lived in Stokes Co., N.C. in 1830. They had a son named Jonathon, born circa 1830 in Stokes Co., N.C. Jonathon is found working for a Mr. Blum in 1850 in Forsythes Co., N.C. (1850 Census and estate records). He apparently went to Floyd Co., Virginia where he met his wife, Zilpha Hylton. They were married in Floyd Co., VA, Dec 27, 1855. They had 10 children. I am descended from Jonathan and Zilpha's fourth child, John Stewart Starr. I am looking for more info on John Starr and wife Rebecca. There are very few records available to search in N.C. I have no idea where my Starr line originates from. Any pointers you can give me, or anyone out there. Thank you very much, Melanie Starr in Fresno, CA, Melanie_Starr@ldsmail.org

Brazos Starr is clear of cancer - leukemia !!!! 5 yr old....boy God still provides Miracles....... I will thank him daily,,,,,,

Hello Starrs, How do we get information from this "Henry Starr" research list? Our Starr line seems to descend from a Henry also. All we know about him is that he lived in VIrginia and had a son, Peter STARR, b. 22 August 1797 in Virginia. The Peter STARR family lived in Tennessee, Ohio, and Mississippi. His wife was Catharine Houdescheldt and their children were: Rosanah b 1827 Ohio; George b. 1832 Ohio; Levi b. 1835 Ohio; Peter D b. 1839 Ohio; Henry b. 1840 Ohio; and Andrew b. 1843 Ohio. Our line descends from Peter D and we don't know much about his other siblings. We want to hear from anyone else out there who is also from these lines! Thanks, Teri (Stang) Starr

LeAnna and list, I am the one who posted the Linwood Cemetery info to the STARR-L list. I/we on the "Henry Starr" research list have looked at your STARR line, compared to ours, and tried to find a connection. Here's hoping someone will see something we've missed! Your line from your message has: >Edward Worthington is the son of Hezekiah Starr (1781-1828) <snip> > >Hezekiah Starr is one of three brothers of Baltimore: Henry, William and >Hezekiah. Henry was a tavern keeper, and William and Hezekiah were in the >tobacco trade together. William's son, Robert, continued the business in >Baltimore after Hezekiah moved to Richmond c. 1816. My Henry Starr was born in Maryland 1752 per Bible records / family tradition. He married circa 1777 a Mary (surname unknown) and they had: Joshua b. 17 OCT 1778 in MD, John "Elijah" b. 1780 in MD and Silas Henry b. 7 NOV 1782 in Maryland. They moved to Wilkes Co. GA probably fall 1784 and had Benjamin b. 29 JAN 1785, Samuel Steele b. 11 OCT 1794, Asa d. 1817 and Amelia and Caleb -- no information on other than name appears in a non-contemporary Bible record. There is an oral tradition in our line that we have "some connection" to Baltimore; the specifics are fuzzy, but something along the line that ownership of land was in dispute, between the STARRs, city of Baltimore and possibly some Indians. Another tradition continues that a daughter of Benjamin's went to MD to see if they won the case .. this would be 1830s or 1840s (my guess). Coicidentally, there is a STARR line in Indiana/Illinois which has some fire in Baltimore and family in IN/IL giving their papers (proving ownership/relationship) to some lawyer who they never heard from again. ... So, there is three STARR lines with at least an oral tradition for two, and direct connection to Baltimore in one. Continuing the coincidences: My Henry's descendants moved west to Henry/Fayette/Newton Counties GA by late 1820s/early 1830s. At least one of LeAnna's brother's line of STARRs arrives in GA and settles south of those counties (specific one escapes me) prior to the Civil War. Is this mere coincidence? One other point -- the ONLY STARR in Maryland records mid-1700s -- when my Henry's father should appear somewhere -- is a William who "went to Carolina" in the early 1760s leaving behind a wife Susannah "who has eloped from me four times" in the ad he placed in the newspaper saying he no longer felt responsible for her debts. There is no Susannah in my Henry's line that I'm aware of, and my Henry did not name a son William. Therefore, I'm sceptical this William is my Henry's father. But like LeAnna, where do these Maryland Starrs come from??? Any information will be appreciated. If you want to learn more about my Henry's line, go to the URL in my sig, then click on the link to either Mary Kozy's Henry Starr webpage or the Inman, GA church link. Linda Sparks Starr starr81@ix.netcom.com http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lksstarr/