Melanie, First let me say one thing: DON'T GIVE UP! Sometimes it takes a long long time to find out anything believe me! I know. And we all get stuck. Big time. I am wondering if you are from the Stoehr/Starr line?! Seems you might be since you mention the Stoehr name. This is the German line. I have some info on it and will look at it and see if I can find any information on your Jonothan and Zilpha. If not, that doesn't mean that you won't find anything ever. I certainly do NOT know it all by any means. Also check with: Ron Rooy -- rrooy1@kellnet.com as he has a whole bunch on the Starrs -- plus he'll try and help you find yours if you give him a list of them (the more information the better). Just know that we are all looking and there are many of us who do not have all we want and/or need. that's the beauty of sharing info with each other -- never know when something will click with someone and they'll share even more with you. Regarding Henry Starr. There were many, many, many Henrys! We need dates. also, remember too that NC was probably a part of VA at one time -- Way back when our ancestors roamed this earth, the states themselves didn't exist as they are now and the few states that were in existence were much larger than they are now. So just because it looks like NC doesn't mean it is. OK Does any of this help you at all? Remember the most important thing is NOT to give up. Also post your information now and again so we get it fresh in our minds and maybe someone can help you out. OK? Good luck, di "Melanie Starr by way of Brian J. Newton " wrote: > Dear Crystal Burleson, Diana Starr and Dave Starr, > I have read your messages to one another and your informative e-mail > messages in general on the rootsweb. > My name is Melanie Starr. I live in Fresno, CA and teach school. I > started genealogy back in 1990, worked on it > a few years, then due to other commitments and lack of information > dropped it. Although I still volunteer once > a week in a Family History Center in Fresno. I am alittle envious of > you all and the wonderful communication link you > all have with each other. I too am trying to trace the origin of my > ggg grandparents, John and Rebecca Starr, out > of Stokes Co., NC. They had a son named Jonothan who married Zilpha > Hylton in Floyd Co, VA in 1855. They > had 10 children ( I have all their names, dates, places, spouses, > children, etc) I am descended through Jonothan and Zilpha's fourth > child, John Stewart Starr. I have done some search and only come up > with dead ends. Many of the early records > of Stokes Co, NC or perhaps NC in general are missing, from what I've > learned. Perhaps that is not completely true. Do any of you have any > suggestions for me? One of you mentioned Henry Starr, I have a > copy of > his will, Henry Stoehr (Star) Sr, and wife Anna Dorothea, not sure of > her middle name, not clear on the will) Will is dated 1812. Henry > Star is in Stokes Co. in 1830, 1840. Perhaps he is a brother to my > Jonothan? I am so DISCOURAGED!! I don't know where to look or what > records to search. Please help!! Thank you, > Melanie_Starr@ldsmail.org

Melanie, I desecend from the Stoehr family who settled in Old Rowan NC and his name was Casper Stoehr and changed his name to Stoehr. His brother Jacob settled in Guilford NC. Both families had many children. They moved from Pa to VA to NC. I was doing some research on the Stoehr famil of PA and ran across Henrich Stoehr who moved to NC and this maybe your Henry Starr that you are looking for. This Stoehr family in PA is a different Stoehr family than the Casper and Jacob Stoehr even though might be related in the old country of German since they came to the same place in PA and remained for a while. I have not done any research on the Henry Stoehr lineage but you will find info on the web about the PA Stoehr family. Bob Henderson Dallas TX

Good morning Carol Ann. Re: Yes I recognize the Pate name. Do you have more info on the names of the Pates that your Starr family wed? Re: My Lovie c1879 bTX wed J.B. Starr but, I don't know what the intials J.B. stands for. Also the maiden name of Mary, Lovie's mom was Pate, from Clark Co. MS. My Pate came from NC. then Clark Co MS, then to Leon Co. TX. 1848. Re: I don't have any more info. I wish I did. Martha > > Subject: RE: Lovie G. Starr > Status: > > Martha, > My Grandfather's baby sister was Ivy Pearl Starr b. 1899, Enola, > Faulkner > Co., AR...she married Seth Casey and had the following > children...Janetta, > Opie, i do not know of the other's off hand...need to find my > notes...but, i > do know that one a couple of her grandchildren were married to > Pates...anything here sound familiar to you? > Carol Ann Starr-Wilson > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martha C. Veselka [mailto:martyc@calpha.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 12:23 > To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Lovie G. Starr > > Good Morning. I am researching my mom's folks and one of her > mother's, > Mary Susanne Blackledge G., half sisters was Lovie, who wed a Starr > and > most likely, in Limestone Co. TX. Lovie c1879 was the youngest > child of > five children, born to the union of Edward and Mary Pate Blackledge G. > Martha

Virginia, From what time frame? Way back to the 1800s?? I'm interested in knowing so I can maybe ask you to look for some of my ancestors?? Thanks, di "Virginia Weiss (by way of Brian J. Newton )" wrote: > I have one marriage disk which includes TX, the only Lovie marrying > a SMITH > in TX ... > > Lovie Reding marr. W.R. Smith > Wise Co., TX > 25 Nov 1893 > > VIRGINIA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Martha C. Veselka <martyc@calpha.com> > To: <STARR-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 9:22 AM > Subject: Lovie G. Starr > > Good Morning. I am researching my mom's folks and one of her > mother's, > Mary Susanne Blackledge G., half sisters was Lovie, who wed a Starr > and > most likely, in Limestone Co. TX. Lovie c1879 was the youngest > child of > five children, born to the union of Edward and Mary Pate Blackledge G. > Martha

Dear Crystal Burleson, Diana Starr and Dave Starr, I have read your messages to one another and your informative e-mail messages in general on the rootsweb. My name is Melanie Starr. I live in Fresno, CA and teach school. I started genealogy back in 1990, worked on it a few years, then due to other commitments and lack of information dropped it. Although I still volunteer once a week in a Family History Center in Fresno. I am alittle envious of you all and the wonderful communication link you all have with each other. I too am trying to trace the origin of my ggg grandparents, John and Rebecca Starr, out of Stokes Co., NC. They had a son named Jonothan who married Zilpha Hylton in Floyd Co, VA in 1855. They had 10 children ( I have all their names, dates, places, spouses, children, etc) I am descended through Jonothan and Zilpha's fourth child, John Stewart Starr. I have done some search and only come up with dead ends. Many of the early records of Stokes Co, NC or perhaps NC in general are missing, from what I've learned. Perhaps that is not completely true. Do any of you have any suggestions for me? One of you mentioned Henry Starr, I have a copy of his will, Henry Stoehr (Star) Sr, and wife Anna Dorothea, not sure of her middle name, not clear on the will) Will is dated 1812. Henry Star is in Stokes Co. in 1830, 1840. Perhaps he is a brother to my Jonothan? I am so DISCOURAGED!! I don't know where to look or what records to search. Please help!! Thank you, Melanie_Starr@ldsmail.org

To make contact with the German STARR or STOEHR lines, go to the Rootsweb Interactive Search ... http://rsl.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/rslsql.cgi Enter STOEHR in the surname box, leave the location box empty. You will have many new contacts there. Of course, this still does not explain why some Irish Quaker STARR descendants and the German STOEHR descendants bear such a striking facial resemblance to each other ... unless there was some intermarriage. A puzzle. VIRGINIA I have contacted two different Starr's in PA. and they informed me their Starr line changed from Starzinsky when they came over from Germany in the early 1900,s.

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I have one marriage disk which includes TX, the only Lovie marrying a SMITH in TX ... Lovie Reding marr. W.R. Smith Wise Co., TX 25 Nov 1893 VIRGINIA ----- Original Message ----- From: Martha C. Veselka <martyc@calpha.com> To: <STARR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 9:22 AM Subject: Lovie G. Starr Good Morning. I am researching my mom's folks and one of her mother's, Mary Susanne Blackledge G., half sisters was Lovie, who wed a Starr and most likely, in Limestone Co. TX. Lovie c1879 was the youngest child of five children, born to the union of Edward and Mary Pate Blackledge G. Martha

Martha, My Grandfather's baby sister was Ivy Pearl Starr b. 1899, Enola, Faulkner Co., AR...she married Seth Casey and had the following children...Janetta, Opie, i do not know of the other's off hand...need to find my notes...but, i do know that one a couple of her grandchildren were married to Pates...anything here sound familiar to you? Carol Ann Starr-Wilson -----Original Message----- From: Martha C. Veselka [mailto:martyc@calpha.com] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 12:23 To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Lovie G. Starr Good Morning. I am researching my mom's folks and one of her mother's, Mary Susanne Blackledge G., half sisters was Lovie, who wed a Starr and most likely, in Limestone Co. TX. Lovie c1879 was the youngest child of five children, born to the union of Edward and Mary Pate Blackledge G. Martha

Neal...i have some info...out of the Belle Starr and Her Times by Glenn Shirley...which is the best ever written about her and the Starr family...also, i have the Leaders and Leading Men of the Indian Territory Vol. 1 with Choctaws and Chickasaws by O'Beirne...i will type the material up and up-load it to the list if the other's do not have the information! Carol Ann, -----Original Message----- From: Neal & Barbara [mailto:block@thurston.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 21:10 To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Picture of Harry Starr Thanks CLARA !!! I'm still trying to prove Henry and the Starr's of his family are my Ancestors ! Neal Shrum Grandson of Rosey Starr b: 1866 lived out her days in Indian Territories/Arkansas. block@thurston.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clara Elkins" <elkins@carrollsweb.com> To: <STARR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 11:21 AM Subject: Picture of Harry Starr > Fellow Starr Cousins, received my copy of "Oklahoma Today" magazine yesterday (the one entitled "1900-1999 THE CENTURY IN REVIEW & THE 50 MOST INFLUENTIAL OKLAHOMANS"), and, lo and behold, on page 42 is a picture of Harry Starr with the notation as follows: > > "When the war in Europe in 1916 sent cotton prices falling (at the time the state's largest cash crop), Oklahoma banks engaged in unpopular lending practices and suffered for it at the vengeful hands of thieves. The Working Class Union, a violent group of radicals, were believed to be behind the state's skyrocketing bank robberies--Oklahoma led the nation four to one in such crimes. Above, Henry Starr was known as "Oklahoma's King of the Bank Robbers." > > Thought you all would be interested in this tidbit. Clara in Emporia, Kansas >

How can I get a subscription to the Oklahoma Today magazaine, and also the book written by Glynn Shirley, where can I get a copy..Thank you LBCane@aol.com

Is this supposed to be a Complete list of all the STARR's or just a bunch of the ones most of you seem to be related to? I can't find any of my STARR's in the list! Once again I don't know much about them but here is what I know: Joseph STARR b: May 4, 1844 in Germany D: July 5, 1915 in Wisconsin, buried at Calvary Cemetery in Milwaukee M: Anna SCHILLING They had 2 children: Frank J. STARR b:Sept. 2, 1873 d:March 19, 1905 is buried with his parents at Calvary Cemetery in Milwaukee Mary Elizabeth STARR b: Dec. 12, 1881 in Chilton WI (Calumet County) d: May 29, 1952 in Milwaukee, WI (She was buried June 2 at Holy Cross Cemetery in Milwaukee) m: Aloysius John Bernard OFFENBACHER on June 29, 1904 in Milwaukee, WI Mary would be my Great Grandmother on my Father's side and no one on that side talked about anything when they were alive so this is all I have to go on. I have hit many brick walls and my head is getting sore! :) If anyone out there has the slightest idea of what to do next (besides ice my head) I sure could use some help. Thanks, Renee' -----Original Message----- From: cstar [mailto:cstar@ntslink.net] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 10:19 AM To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Complete Starr data base Sorry didn't mean to send HTML message I'm new at this anyway this agreat place to search if you haven't been there this where i found my Ansestors Dave Starr http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/rrooy12/starr.htm

Hi Renne I have seen for some time you have been looking for the German Starr line. I have contacted two different Starr's in PA. and they informed me their Starr line changed from Starzinsky when they came over from Germany in the early 1900,s. Not sure if this will help you or not!!!!! Also, if i remember correctly Nora Tocus (ectocus@21stcentury.net) is doing German Starr research. if not, sorry. Good luck Jim Starr- Capt John Carran Starr line, Irish Quaker

Sorry didn't mean to send HTML message I'm new at this anyway this agreat place to search if you haven't been there this where i found my Ansestors Dave Starr http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/rrooy12/starr.htm

Thank you Crystal. Really good work! I know what you mean but the territory being so huge. We tend to thin in the states as they are now -- but not back then. I'm sure you are correct -- one area could encompass many of our states as we know them. VA could have been many of our "now" states -- including MO and OH and KY, TN, IN, IL, etc. Probably was just like that back then. Territory was much bigger then and so vast it would blow our minds in this day and age I'm sure. Also, have you come across anything that might indicate that our Adam was named John Adam and not just Adam? I think it's very possible. And I am still NOT at all convinced that Adam's parents were named Henry Starr and Catherine Wells. As a matter of fact, I think this is wrong. It just doesn't seem to fit right somehow. I love the info regarding the Starr name and the Isbell name being one and the same. I'm really not surprised.... Wondering why Isbell -- Starr in some other language? or what? Food for thought. Ross F. is going to be going to the Historical Society in OK City, OK and doing some research for us all. Hopefully he'll find something to help us all out. Keep up the good work, Crystal. You are really on to something and I hope we get more proof of our heritage soon. Thanks again and keep at it, Cous! I'm off to bed as it's very late and I'm exhausted. More tomorrow. Hugs and more hugs, di Crystal Burleson wrote: > To answer where I got that information, it came from p. 62 of "The > Buffalo Ridge Cherokee: A Remnant of a Great Nation Divided" by Horace > R. Rice. He is writing about various families and says: "Although Dr. > Isbell went for white, he, like many central and southwestern Virginia > Cherokee, may have had both European and Cherokee ancestry. The Isbells > in Appomattox, Oklahoma, and North Carolina have Cherokee family > traditions. The Isbell surname is a traditional Cherokee family name > (Starr)." > Neal, you mentioned that you have always been interested in the Tsalagi > and the Chickamauga peoples. Do you know where I can learn more about > them? I am having a difficult time finding resources, even on the net > about them. Thanks. > > Diana, I don't have proof either that Adam was born in Virginia. All we > really have to go on is the 1850 census and I don't know why he wouldn't > have told the truth about it. I'm just, for now anyway, assuming that it > is true. It also has that his first several children were born in Ohio > and then a couple in Indiana before they moved on to Missouri. If you > look at a map of Botetourt Co. VA in 1770 (you'll find it at > <www.rootsweb.com/~vaboteto/bote-org.htm>) you'll see that that one > Virginia county included all of the southwestern part of Virginia, > nearly half of West Virginia on the south (until 1863), all of Kentucky > (until 1792), a good size chunk of southern Ohio (until 1803), nearly > all of Indiana (until 1816), and mostly all of Illinois (until 1818). > Interesting? I think so. I means that possible they could have lived in > an area and not moved at all and still have been in several states over > the years. HMMMMM? > > Gotta go. Tell me what you think. Crystal

Hi, I just wanted to clear up what may lead to misunderstandings about my last email to the list about the size of Botetourt Co. When I put "until 1816" ect. I should have put that that was when those States were formed from what was originally one VA county--not that it still was one county in those years. Does that make sense? By the time that some of those states were formed, there were many counties in the area where Botetourt began back in pre-1770. I shouldn't have been in such a hurry to get it sent and go to choir practice. ;O) Crystal PS: Neal, thank you so much for all the sites you sent. I haven't had time to check them out yet, but I will. Wado.

To Crystal from Neal Shrum block@thurston.com, I know very little of Cherokee Chickamaugua warriors, but will send you links to all the Cherokee sites I have! PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO links located in these "links" I send to you! THANKS (wado) again! Neal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crystal Burleson" <cburleso@cybertrails.com> To: <STARR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 2:54 PM Subject: Isbell/Starr > To answer where I got that information, it came from p. 62 of "The > Buffalo Ridge Cherokee: A Remnant of a Great Nation Divided" by Horace > R. Rice. He is writing about various families and says: "Although Dr. > Isbell went for white, he, like many central and southwestern Virginia > Cherokee, may have had both European and Cherokee ancestry. The Isbells > in Appomattox, Oklahoma, and North Carolina have Cherokee family > traditions. The Isbell surname is a traditional Cherokee family name > (Starr)." > Neal, you mentioned that you have always been interested in the Tsalagi > and the Chickamauga peoples. Do you know where I can learn more about > them? I am having a difficult time finding resources, even on the net > about them. Thanks. > > Diana, I don't have proof either that Adam was born in Virginia. All we > really have to go on is the 1850 census and I don't know why he wouldn't > have told the truth about it. I'm just, for now anyway, assuming that it > is true. It also has that his first several children were born in Ohio > and then a couple in Indiana before they moved on to Missouri. If you > look at a map of Botetourt Co. VA in 1770 (you'll find it at > <www.rootsweb.com/~vaboteto/bote-org.htm>) you'll see that that one > Virginia county included all of the southwestern part of Virginia, > nearly half of West Virginia on the south (until 1863), all of Kentucky > (until 1792), a good size chunk of southern Ohio (until 1803), nearly > all of Indiana (until 1816), and mostly all of Illinois (until 1818). > Interesting? I think so. I means that possible they could have lived in > an area and not moved at all and still have been in several states over > the years. HMMMMM? > > Gotta go. Tell me what you think. Crystal >

Crystal, I will send you all the web sites I have, pay attention to the links also! thanks again, I have little knowledge also, well beyond the war they had when they split off from the rest of the Cherokee! If I forget to do as I say REMIND ME!! After all I'm a man! LOL ! Neal Shrum block@thurston.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crystal Burleson" <cburleso@cybertrails.com> To: <STARR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 2:54 PM Subject: Isbell/Starr > To answer where I got that information, it came from p. 62 of "The > Buffalo Ridge Cherokee: A Remnant of a Great Nation Divided" by Horace > R. Rice. He is writing about various families and says: "Although Dr. > Isbell went for white, he, like many central and southwestern Virginia > Cherokee, may have had both European and Cherokee ancestry. The Isbells > in Appomattox, Oklahoma, and North Carolina have Cherokee family > traditions. The Isbell surname is a traditional Cherokee family name > (Starr)." > Neal, you mentioned that you have always been interested in the Tsalagi > and the Chickamauga peoples. Do you know where I can learn more about > them? I am having a difficult time finding resources, even on the net > about them. Thanks. > > Diana, I don't have proof either that Adam was born in Virginia. All we > really have to go on is the 1850 census and I don't know why he wouldn't > have told the truth about it. I'm just, for now anyway, assuming that it > is true. It also has that his first several children were born in Ohio > and then a couple in Indiana before they moved on to Missouri. If you > look at a map of Botetourt Co. VA in 1770 (you'll find it at > <www.rootsweb.com/~vaboteto/bote-org.htm>) you'll see that that one > Virginia county included all of the southwestern part of Virginia, > nearly half of West Virginia on the south (until 1863), all of Kentucky > (until 1792), a good size chunk of southern Ohio (until 1803), nearly > all of Indiana (until 1816), and mostly all of Illinois (until 1818). > Interesting? I think so. I means that possible they could have lived in > an area and not moved at all and still have been in several states over > the years. HMMMMM? > > Gotta go. Tell me what you think. Crystal >

To answer where I got that information, it came from p. 62 of "The Buffalo Ridge Cherokee: A Remnant of a Great Nation Divided" by Horace R. Rice. He is writing about various families and says: "Although Dr. Isbell went for white, he, like many central and southwestern Virginia Cherokee, may have had both European and Cherokee ancestry. The Isbells in Appomattox, Oklahoma, and North Carolina have Cherokee family traditions. The Isbell surname is a traditional Cherokee family name (Starr)." Neal, you mentioned that you have always been interested in the Tsalagi and the Chickamauga peoples. Do you know where I can learn more about them? I am having a difficult time finding resources, even on the net about them. Thanks. Diana, I don't have proof either that Adam was born in Virginia. All we really have to go on is the 1850 census and I don't know why he wouldn't have told the truth about it. I'm just, for now anyway, assuming that it is true. It also has that his first several children were born in Ohio and then a couple in Indiana before they moved on to Missouri. If you look at a map of Botetourt Co. VA in 1770 (you'll find it at <www.rootsweb.com/~vaboteto/bote-org.htm>) you'll see that that one Virginia county included all of the southwestern part of Virginia, nearly half of West Virginia on the south (until 1863), all of Kentucky (until 1792), a good size chunk of southern Ohio (until 1803), nearly all of Indiana (until 1816), and mostly all of Illinois (until 1818). Interesting? I think so. I means that possible they could have lived in an area and not moved at all and still have been in several states over the years. HMMMMM? Gotta go. Tell me what you think. Crystal

THANK YOU (wado), to Crystal Burleson!!! for such a thourough investigation of Tsalagi peoples especially the Chickmaugua who have been a facination to me since I heard of them (but have done little research on); the part here in her message on the reabsorption (if you will) of these warrioes is news to me, I wondered what did happen to them and STARR name also known as "Isbell" is / or can be a tool to posibally uncover relatives unknown priviously. WOW is all I can say! anytime help comes it is greatly appreciated, as I feel I have come up to a brick wall concerning my line of STARRs THANK YOU Crystal!!!!!!! Neal Shrum block@thurston.com----- Original Message ----- From: "Crystal Burleson" <cburleso@cybertrails.com> To: <STARR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 3:52 PM Subject: SW Virginia Starrs > Hi everyone, > > In my research on Adam Starr and his roots I have come up with some > interesting information (new to me at least) that I want to share with > you and see if you have any further information of this type. > > We know that on the 1850 census he is down as having been born in > Virginia about 1799. I found the following in a couple of pages of a > book I copied some time back and stuck away--glad I did now. Anyway, the > book is "The Buffalo Ridge Cherokee. A Remnant of a Great Nation > Divided". In it for one thing it says (quoting Martin "Walkingbear" > Wilson, Chief of the Amonsoquath Tribe of Cherokee in Missouri): > "The 'Treaty of Hopewell ceded or gave the Cherokee land to the British. > The British passed a few trinkets to the Indians and took land. The very > act, the Treaty of Hopewell," (1785) "caused the Chickamauga Cherokee to > split from the main body of the Cherokee." (From other sources we learn > that a few years later most of these Chickamauga Cherokee rejoined the > mainline Cherokee.) "They went to Missouri and Arkansas with Chief > Bowles. After the Treaty of Hopewell, they split off into many sections. > Some are in Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, > Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, West Virginia, Indiana, Illinois, > Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa, Virginia, and other > states." > > He goes on to say, "A goodly part of the Amonsoquath Tribe left > (Virginia and North Carolina) and went to Missouri in 1793. Some stayed > in the southwestern Virginia area. They are in Cedar Bluff, Tazewell, > and other cities in southwest Virginia. A large part of Cherokee who > could pass themselves off as white did so. It was called survival. Our > people are still in southwest Virginia today, on ancient grounds and > will stay. They decided to learn the white man's ways and raise their > children in traditional ways. They would live and multiply, and go as > white, if necessary. If you can go for white and profit from it, then > you will." > > Now, if Adam was born in Virginia in 1799 it stands to reason that his > family was one that was in this group and stayed in Virginia. Another > book (I forgot to write down the title, but will go back to the library > and get it, Sorry.) says about the Cherokee War in 1759-1761, "Although > the Cherokee War involved mainly South Carolina, it started in Virginia. > Virginia had recruited four hundred Cherokee warriors to accompany the > British-American expedition against the French in western Pennsylvania > in 1758. Unpaid for their services (they had been promised pay), the > major part of the Cherokee contingent defected from the army and drifted > home through western Virginia...." It goes on to say that in Nov. of > 1761 they "concluded peace with Osteneco, Oconostota, and other tribal > leaders representing the Overhill Cherokees (the northernmost branch of > the tribe)." Apparently there were three basic groups of Cherokee towns > in the early days (1500's, 1600's, early 1700's). The northernmost group > was the upper or Overhill. Most of this area is in the eastern Tennessee > mountains and in the headwaters of the Tennessee River northward in the > Appalachian mountain range. The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma has retained > the Overhill dialect. (The Qualla Cherokee in North Carolina has > preserved the dialect of the middle-valley towns, and the lower town > dialect has disappeared.) > > I also found references to a Vivian Wilson Santini, Chief of the > Northern Tsalagi Tribe of Southwest Virginia, who has "conducted > extensive research on the Cherokee of Southwest Virginia, Tennessee, and > North Carolina." I am in the process of trying to find out more about > her research and findings. Do any of you have anything about this? I > would love to see what you know about them. I really think that this is > the only way we will ever solve the mystery about our Starrs and their > Cherokee background. > > On Ancestry.com I found many Starrs on the 1790-1870 Census records. I > made a map and marked where they were living. Many of them were > clustered in the southwestern part of Virginia and across the line into > West Virginia (which at the time, of course, was a part of Virginia). > Interesting stuff when considering the information above. > > A seperate reference states that Starr is a traditional Cherokee name > and was also sometimes translated "Isbell". I know that many folks think > that the only Cherokee Starrs had to descend from Caleb Starr, the > Irishman who married a Cherokee; but I think that's just not true. I > think that there must have been other Starrs even before Caleb came to > Indian territory. I'm sure going to try to find out. > > I know this is long. I hope you make sense of it and let me have your > input. I have ordered "The Buffalo Ridge Cherokee, A Remnant of a Great > Nation Divided" by interlibrary loan and should be getting it soon as > well as a couple of other books. I'll let you know what else I find in > them. > > Crystal >