Just for the record I don't believe CALAB STARR was a ttreaty signer correct ME if I'm wrong! Neal Shrum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crystal Burleson" <cburleso@cybertrails.com> To: <STARR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 7:30 PM Subject: Re: Cherokee Starrs > Right on, Adrian! I totally agree. I've done some research recently on the > history of the Cherokee in Virginia (WV, TN, KY, etc.). There were Starrs who > were Cherokee who never left that area as well as many other family names. They > reportedly tried to blend into the general population of the day by dressing and > behaving like the whites, but maintained some traditions and handed down within > their families the knowledge that they were Cherokee. Survival was one reason, > and wanting to remain on their own lands was another. I, too, know that Caleb > Starr had relatives who so far have been unacounted for in our research. Perhaps > one of them was the one that I am looking for. Adam Starr doesn't seem to fit > into any of the other lines mentioned, and the verbal history of being Cherokee > is just too frequent within the various branches of his descendants to ignore it, > although I do think it is very possible that European blood mixed with that > Cherokee along the way--father's side? mother's side? That was also quite common > in the area. Thanks for your input. Crystal > > Adryandav@aol.com wrote: > > > To all - > > > > In response to Linda - > > > > In a 1906 Guion Miller claim, my ggf said that his gm Elizabeth (Moore) > > Browning born 1776 in NC was of Cherokee blood and that her mother was a > > Starr of the "old Starr family". Elizabeth married John Browning who was > > from MD. I am guessing that they married in NC as that is where all their > > children were born. An old map shows the Mississippi River as the western > > boundary of NC, thus including most of today's TN. If I am not mistaken, > > Caleb Starr and his wife the half-Cherokee Nancy Harlan, lived in Easter n TN, > > the Cherokee heartland.. I am also guessing that an earlier generation of > > white men from PA and elsewhere had already reached that area - Ross, Adair, > > Starr, Harlan, McMinn, etc. Parents and/or siblings of Caleb Starr may have > > been among them. Thus, Caleb may not have been the only progenitor of the > > Cherokee Starrs. However he and his sons, being treaty signers, are the best > > known. > > > > Food for thought! > > > > Adrian Davis, adryandav@aol.com > > > > Linda Starr Sparks wrote: > > > > ..... One is the PA Quakers, many of whom ended up in what is now West > > Virginia; another, the Cherokee Starrs, whose founder Caleb may have come > > from the PA Qauker group -- his mother was a Quaker, but his father wasn't, > > he was born in PA. > > > > And then another distinct group, but also 'loose' because we haven't > > found the connection to each other, let alone any of the major groups -- > > the STARRs in Maryland from 1748 through 1810 or so. Included is my Henry > > Starr, b. 1752 in MD d. 1821 in GA. Personally I've tried to connect him to > > the PA Quakers and the Cherokee Starrs without success; I'm now looking at > > the Dr. Comfort line. BUT there are a few other STARR families in Maryland > > who appear late 1770s/1780s, some went to IN, others to Richmond, VA and one > > member of this VA line ended up in GA 1830s I believe. I believe there > > is another MD STARR named John, who moved to SC and became "John Starr of > > Beach Island". > > > > If anyone has any information on the Maryland bunch (any of them) > > please post to the list / me. We need all the help we can get! Linda > > > > Linda Sparks Starr starr81@ix.netcom.com > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lksstarr/............................ >

Hello if this HENRY STARR you mention is same one who was famous for being the most proliferate bank robber to date then you have already LINKED yourself to Belle (Shirley) Starr and etc......Neal Shrum (Starr decendant) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vanessa Burzynski" <burzynsk@swbell.net> To: <STARR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Cherokee Starrs > I have been following this with great interest. My husband's great-grandfather was > William Bart Starr (b.1882). His gg-grandfather was Henry Starr (b.1864) from > Georgia and married Mattie Jane Chambers. They came to Texas in the later part of > 1800's. We believe that they are related to the Cherokee Starrs that lived in Texas > during that time and were related to Sam and Belle (Shirley) Starr, but we have not > found the connection. Anyone that can help us with this line would be greatly > appreciated. > > Vanessa Burzynski > Texas > >

I have been following this with great interest. My husband's great-grandfather was William Bart Starr (b.1882). His gg-grandfather was Henry Starr (b.1864) from Georgia and married Mattie Jane Chambers. They came to Texas in the later part of 1800's. We believe that they are related to the Cherokee Starrs that lived in Texas during that time and were related to Sam and Belle (Shirley) Starr, but we have not found the connection. Anyone that can help us with this line would be greatly appreciated. Vanessa Burzynski Texas

Right on, Adrian! I totally agree. I've done some research recently on the history of the Cherokee in Virginia (WV, TN, KY, etc.). There were Starrs who were Cherokee who never left that area as well as many other family names. They reportedly tried to blend into the general population of the day by dressing and behaving like the whites, but maintained some traditions and handed down within their families the knowledge that they were Cherokee. Survival was one reason, and wanting to remain on their own lands was another. I, too, know that Caleb Starr had relatives who so far have been unacounted for in our research. Perhaps one of them was the one that I am looking for. Adam Starr doesn't seem to fit into any of the other lines mentioned, and the verbal history of being Cherokee is just too frequent within the various branches of his descendants to ignore it, although I do think it is very possible that European blood mixed with that Cherokee along the way--father's side? mother's side? That was also quite common in the area. Thanks for your input. Crystal Adryandav@aol.com wrote: > To all - > > In response to Linda - > > In a 1906 Guion Miller claim, my ggf said that his gm Elizabeth (Moore) > Browning born 1776 in NC was of Cherokee blood and that her mother was a > Starr of the "old Starr family". Elizabeth married John Browning who was > from MD. I am guessing that they married in NC as that is where all their > children were born. An old map shows the Mississippi River as the western > boundary of NC, thus including most of today's TN. If I am not mistaken, > Caleb Starr and his wife the half-Cherokee Nancy Harlan, lived in Eastern TN, > the Cherokee heartland.. I am also guessing that an earlier generation of > white men from PA and elsewhere had already reached that area - Ross, Adair, > Starr, Harlan, McMinn, etc. Parents and/or siblings of Caleb Starr may have > been among them. Thus, Caleb may not have been the only progenitor of the > Cherokee Starrs. However he and his sons, being treaty signers, are the best > known. > > Food for thought! > > Adrian Davis, adryandav@aol.com > > Linda Starr Sparks wrote: > > ..... One is the PA Quakers, many of whom ended up in what is now West > Virginia; another, the Cherokee Starrs, whose founder Caleb may have come > from the PA Qauker group -- his mother was a Quaker, but his father wasn't, > he was born in PA. > > And then another distinct group, but also 'loose' because we haven't > found the connection to each other, let alone any of the major groups -- > the STARRs in Maryland from 1748 through 1810 or so. Included is my Henry > Starr, b. 1752 in MD d. 1821 in GA. Personally I've tried to connect him to > the PA Quakers and the Cherokee Starrs without success; I'm now looking at > the Dr. Comfort line. BUT there are a few other STARR families in Maryland > who appear late 1770s/1780s, some went to IN, others to Richmond, VA and one > member of this VA line ended up in GA 1830s I believe. I believe there > is another MD STARR named John, who moved to SC and became "John Starr of > Beach Island". > > If anyone has any information on the Maryland bunch (any of them) > please post to the list / me. We need all the help we can get! Linda > > Linda Sparks Starr starr81@ix.netcom.com > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lksstarr/............................

Neal & Crystal - I only know what I read on the web - true or false (hah!). Caleb was supposedly "involved" in treaties, maybe not a signer. Adrian >From the web: A white man of Quaker parentage immigrated from Pennsylvania to the Cherokee country (now eastern Tennessee). He was named Caleb Starr, and in about 1790 Caleb married a Cherokee woman named Nancy Harlan, and in so doing he became a member of the Cherokee Nation. They had twelve children, including Ezekial Starr, James Starr, and Joseph Starr. Caleb Starr was involved with both the Treaty of 1816 and the Treaty of 1819, the removal treaties. Cherokee leaders attempted to preserve their remaining eastern lands, and had established a new government by 1828. John Ross was elected principal chief. Ross and his followers opposed removal. Cherokees who willingly immigrated to the new, western lands were known as the "Old Settlers". Caleb Starr and his sons supported emigration. Ezekial Starr and his family travelled to the west in 1834. James Starr became a member of the Treaty Party, which advocated total tribal removal, and with other members he signed the controversial Treaty of 1835. James Starr moved to the western Cherokee Nation in 1837.

I'm new to this list. My STARR relative is a John STARR who was born in Pa, probably Berks Co., in 1801 or close. He married a Leah Smith who was born in Berks Co. They moved to Ohio as one child was born there in 1837, and then from there to Berrien Co., MI. where they lived until their death. He died in 1874 and she died in 1877. I can't find a connection for his father. If anyone can help me, I would appreciate it a lot. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: <STARR-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <STARR-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 4:00 PM Subject: STARR-D Digest V00 #54

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------15B7060BAEA79346784D3E23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marie, As I've said before -- don't give up. Every time I come across David I check his date of birth (if possible) to see if it could be your David. Haven't forgotten you you see. I think it's good that you remind us of your search now and then so we can all keep an eye out for your David. Glad you did now. I just wish I could tell you I've found him but so far I haven't. I am looking though. Good luck and hang in there. di Marie and Bill Bailey wrote: > I want to add a little to this discussion, although it won't necessarily add > any fact to add to Linda's information. The earliest Starr my family has > been able to trace is David Starr who said he was born in Ohio in 1816. He > married Emmeline (we think Sneed/Snead) and their first children were born > in Missouri. We don't know which county in Missouri or whether they married > there. Emmeline says on the census she was born in Kentucky. > Their oldest son was named John. My Starr family moved into Arkansas > shortly before the 1850 census. David Starr's son married a Yandell who's > mother's maiden name was Adair. That was James Amos Starr. His brother > married her sister. The Yandells were from North Carolina. I have puzzled > off and on whether the Starrs and Yandells met each other in Arkansas or if > the families had traveled in the same areas over the years. > We have thought there was some Indian blood in the family line but have > only been able to positively identify it as it comes in through the > Yandell/Adair union. My mother and I thought, without facts to prove it, > that our line came originally from Pa. I have also wondered if it didn't > come from Moravian beginnings. > So far, I have been unable to definitely link my David to any of the > established lines. I guess ours are some of the "lost lines of Starrs". > There were several Starr families in Arkansas who did not seem to be > related. There were also Starr families in Ohio that we can't seem to link > to. I'm sure it's possible that some of these Starrs were connected in some > way and that THEY knew the connection over the years without thinking it was > important enough to stress. It would be a little like some of us knowing who > some of our cousins married but didn't see them enough for our children to > remember them. > And, one more thing, I read in the last several months of a Starr line > that left the colonial area and came to the Georgia area. They left here and > went to the Ar, Mo, In. area. > Like I said, I wanted to join the discussion-just didn't necessarily have > any facts to be helpful, just background. > Marie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Starr81 <starr81@ix.netcom.com> > To: <STARR-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:18 PM > Subject: Re: Cherokee Starrs > > > >been among them. Thus, Caleb may not have been the only progenitor of > the > > >Cherokee Starrs. However he and his sons, being treaty signers, are the > > best > > >known. > > > > This is a very good point brought up by Adrian; in fact, I plan to > > provide documentation (when things settle down and I relocate it) for > > Caleb's birthyear in 1764 rather than the usual estimated 1758 which > proves > > beyond > > a doubt, the 'Indian trader' attributed as Caleb Starr in Ramsay's History > > of Tennessee or Summer's Annals of SW VA can't be the one who married > Nancy > > Harlan. > > I have several sources which say "an Indian trader" / "an Indian trader > named > > STARR" and finally "Caleb Starr" harangued the Indian chiefs to not attack > > the whites. This was during the RW. I've often wondered who this "Indian > > trader Starr" is? Or could he be only attributed to Caleb, so wasn't a > > STARR. But > > certainly there are enough southern STARRs without lineage out there to > NOT > > rule out any possibility along the lines of another Indian connection. > > Linda > > > > --------------15B7060BAEA79346784D3E23 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="razzberri.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Diana Starr Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="razzberri.vcf" begin:vcard n:Cloutier;Diana Starr x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:razzberri@earthlink.net x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Diana Starr Cloutier end:vcard --------------15B7060BAEA79346784D3E23--

Did we miss something here?....this began mid stream.....or am I missing the beginning that came from somewhere earlier?? I thought I was reading along.....Where did this come from?? I do get the digest version....but I checked and haven't missed anything lately......Thanks...Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: Starr81 <starr81@ix.netcom.com> To: <STARR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 9:18 AM Subject: Re: Cherokee Starrs > >been among them. Thus, Caleb may not have been the only progenitor of the > >Cherokee Starrs. However he and his sons, being treaty signers, are the > best > >known. > > This is a very good point brought up by Adrian; in fact, I plan to > provide documentation (when things settle down and I relocate it) for > Caleb's birthyear in 1764 rather than the usual estimated 1758 which proves > beyond > a doubt, the 'Indian trader' attributed as Caleb Starr in Ramsay's History > of Tennessee or Summer's Annals of SW VA can't be the one who married Nancy > Harlan. > I have several sources which say "an Indian trader" / "an Indian trader named > STARR" and finally "Caleb Starr" harangued the Indian chiefs to not attack > the whites. This was during the RW. I've often wondered who this "Indian > trader Starr" is? Or could he be only attributed to Caleb, so wasn't a > STARR. But > certainly there are enough southern STARRs without lineage out there to NOT > rule out any possibility along the lines of another Indian connection. > Linda > > ______________________________

A bit f information required. I know the main stay of your search is the U.S. side of the starr family. I would however like to know if any of you, during your searches has come up with any connection between the Starr's of Hollingsworth / Kent in England and judaism ??? Any information would be greatfully accepted. Best regards Harry Levin -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Tinsley [mailto:ltinsley@ipa.net] Sent: Friday, 26 May 2000 8:08 To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: STARR Mind if an old man joins in on this discussion? My g-g-grandmother, Sarah Starr Hutchins, filed in 1896 an Application For Enrollment in the Cherokee Nation. Her application was based on "her" fact that her grandmother was either 1/2 ir 1/4 Cherokee. Her application was denied because her ancestor had never been a citizen of the Cherokee Nation since its removal west to Indian Territory; the ancestor's name did not appear on any authenticated roll; and the ancestor did not now reside on Cherokee Nation lands. In the application Sarah states that her father was Lewis Starr and her mother was Mary Reeves before she married Lewis Starr. She also stated that her grandfather was James Starr and her grandmother was Sarah Trammell before she married James Starr. It was Sarah Trammell that she claimed was either 1/2 or 1/4 Cherokee. The earliest that I have been able to find Lewis and Mary Reeves Starr was in 1830 TN, Warren County and in 1840 TN, Cannon County. Warren County Plat Records show that Lewis Starr was there in 1824/1825. Lewis states that he was born about 1785 in Ohio. My problem is that I have not been able to find his parents, James and Sarah Trammell Starr or any of Lewis' siblings. Any help!!! Chuck ltinsley@ipa.net

Mind if an old man joins in on this discussion? My g-g-grandmother, Sarah Starr Hutchins, filed in 1896 an Application For Enrollment in the Cherokee Nation. Her application was based on "her" fact that her grandmother was either 1/2 ir 1/4 Cherokee. Her application was denied because her ancestor had never been a citizen of the Cherokee Nation since its removal west to Indian Territory; the ancestor's name did not appear on any authenticated roll; and the ancestor did not now reside on Cherokee Nation lands. In the application Sarah states that her father was Lewis Starr and her mother was Mary Reeves before she married Lewis Starr. She also stated that her grandfather was James Starr and her grandmother was Sarah Trammell before she married James Starr. It was Sarah Trammell that she claimed was either 1/2 or 1/4 Cherokee. The earliest that I have been able to find Lewis and Mary Reeves Starr was in 1830 TN, Warren County and in 1840 TN, Cannon County. Warren County Plat Records show that Lewis Starr was there in 1824/1825. Lewis states that he was born about 1785 in Ohio. My problem is that I have not been able to find his parents, James and Sarah Trammell Starr or any of Lewis' siblings. Any help!!! Chuck ltinsley@ipa.net

I want to add a little to this discussion, although it won't necessarily add any fact to add to Linda's information. The earliest Starr my family has been able to trace is David Starr who said he was born in Ohio in 1816. He married Emmeline (we think Sneed/Snead) and their first children were born in Missouri. We don't know which county in Missouri or whether they married there. Emmeline says on the census she was born in Kentucky. Their oldest son was named John. My Starr family moved into Arkansas shortly before the 1850 census. David Starr's son married a Yandell who's mother's maiden name was Adair. That was James Amos Starr. His brother married her sister. The Yandells were from North Carolina. I have puzzled off and on whether the Starrs and Yandells met each other in Arkansas or if the families had traveled in the same areas over the years. We have thought there was some Indian blood in the family line but have only been able to positively identify it as it comes in through the Yandell/Adair union. My mother and I thought, without facts to prove it, that our line came originally from Pa. I have also wondered if it didn't come from Moravian beginnings. So far, I have been unable to definitely link my David to any of the established lines. I guess ours are some of the "lost lines of Starrs". There were several Starr families in Arkansas who did not seem to be related. There were also Starr families in Ohio that we can't seem to link to. I'm sure it's possible that some of these Starrs were connected in some way and that THEY knew the connection over the years without thinking it was important enough to stress. It would be a little like some of us knowing who some of our cousins married but didn't see them enough for our children to remember them. And, one more thing, I read in the last several months of a Starr line that left the colonial area and came to the Georgia area. They left here and went to the Ar, Mo, In. area. Like I said, I wanted to join the discussion-just didn't necessarily have any facts to be helpful, just background. Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: Starr81 <starr81@ix.netcom.com> To: <STARR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:18 PM Subject: Re: Cherokee Starrs > >been among them. Thus, Caleb may not have been the only progenitor of the > >Cherokee Starrs. However he and his sons, being treaty signers, are the > best > >known. > > This is a very good point brought up by Adrian; in fact, I plan to > provide documentation (when things settle down and I relocate it) for > Caleb's birthyear in 1764 rather than the usual estimated 1758 which proves > beyond > a doubt, the 'Indian trader' attributed as Caleb Starr in Ramsay's History > of Tennessee or Summer's Annals of SW VA can't be the one who married Nancy > Harlan. > I have several sources which say "an Indian trader" / "an Indian trader named > STARR" and finally "Caleb Starr" harangued the Indian chiefs to not attack > the whites. This was during the RW. I've often wondered who this "Indian > trader Starr" is? Or could he be only attributed to Caleb, so wasn't a > STARR. But > certainly there are enough southern STARRs without lineage out there to NOT > rule out any possibility along the lines of another Indian connection. > Linda > >

Good Morning, The list seems to be pretty active this morning, so here goes. I am hunting for my half sister, whom I have never meet. My father marriied her mother IRENE STARR, in New Mexico or TX, and my half sister La Verne Burrow was born to the union on Nov 23, 1928 in San Miguel, Dona Ana Co., NM. I am sorry but that is all I know. Anyone with an knowledge of an IRENE STARR, from this area, please contact me. Thanks, Mary Cosenza - ------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites.

>been among them. Thus, Caleb may not have been the only progenitor of the >Cherokee Starrs. However he and his sons, being treaty signers, are the best >known. This is a very good point brought up by Adrian; in fact, I plan to provide documentation (when things settle down and I relocate it) for Caleb's birthyear in 1764 rather than the usual estimated 1758 which proves beyond a doubt, the 'Indian trader' attributed as Caleb Starr in Ramsay's History of Tennessee or Summer's Annals of SW VA can't be the one who married Nancy Harlan. I have several sources which say "an Indian trader" / "an Indian trader named STARR" and finally "Caleb Starr" harangued the Indian chiefs to not attack the whites. This was during the RW. I've often wondered who this "Indian trader Starr" is? Or could he be only attributed to Caleb, so wasn't a STARR. But certainly there are enough southern STARRs without lineage out there to NOT rule out any possibility along the lines of another Indian connection. Linda

Hi List: Below is different groups of STARR's, but none included mine. My group came to the USA from Germany and settled in VA, then Washington Co., TN, then Osage Co. MO, some stayed in the Midwest, others went back to Barren Co, KY, some went to TX and OK. I have alot of the Starr's are related back to MICHAEL STARR, 3 wives, ? Baker, Catherine Shipley and Michal Traylor Combs. He had 21 children, we have found 18 of them and maybe the other 3 connect to the below mentioned STARR groups. But we havent been able to connect them to this date. So please don't forget about our group when you find any STARRs that you do not know. Carol In a message dated Thu, 25 May 2000 10:30:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Starr81 <starr81@ix.netcom.com> writes: << Connie and list, I can add two more "distinct and main" STARR lines plus elaborate on some of those 'loose Starrs': > I'm going to jump in here and add some comments. There seems to be >two/three "main" Starr lines. One is the Comfort Starr mentioned by Connie. >Another is the Stoehr (Starr) line from Germany and then there is the "Lost >Starrs" as I like to call them. One is the PA Quakers, many of whom ended up in what is now West Virginia; another, the Cherokee Starrs, whose founder Caleb may have come from the PA Qauker group -- his mother was a Quaker, but his father wasn't, he was born in PA. And then another distinct group, but also 'loose' because we haven't found the connection to each other, let alone any of the major groups -- the STARRs in Maryland from 1748 through 1810 or so. Included is my Henry Starr, b. 1752 in MD d. 1821 in GA. Personally I've tried to connect him to the PA Quakers and the Cherokee Starrs without success; I'm now looking at the Dr. Comfort line. BUT there are a few other STARR families in Maryland who appear late 1770s/1780s, some went to IN, others to Richmond, VA and one member of this VA line ended up in GA 1830s I believe. I believe there is another MD STARR named John, who moved to SC and became "John Starr of Beach Island". If anyone has any information on the Maryland bunch (any of them) please post to the list / me. We need all the help we can get! Linda Linda Sparks Starr starr81@ix.netcom.com http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lksstarr/ >>

Connie and list, I can add two more "distinct and main" STARR lines plus elaborate on some of those 'loose Starrs': > I'm going to jump in here and add some comments. There seems to be >two/three "main" Starr lines. One is the Comfort Starr mentioned by Connie. >Another is the Stoehr (Starr) line from Germany and then there is the "Lost >Starrs" as I like to call them. One is the PA Quakers, many of whom ended up in what is now West Virginia; another, the Cherokee Starrs, whose founder Caleb may have come from the PA Qauker group -- his mother was a Quaker, but his father wasn't, he was born in PA. And then another distinct group, but also 'loose' because we haven't found the connection to each other, let alone any of the major groups -- the STARRs in Maryland from 1748 through 1810 or so. Included is my Henry Starr, b. 1752 in MD d. 1821 in GA. Personally I've tried to connect him to the PA Quakers and the Cherokee Starrs without success; I'm now looking at the Dr. Comfort line. BUT there are a few other STARR families in Maryland who appear late 1770s/1780s, some went to IN, others to Richmond, VA and one member of this VA line ended up in GA 1830s I believe. I believe there is another MD STARR named John, who moved to SC and became "John Starr of Beach Island". If anyone has any information on the Maryland bunch (any of them) please post to the list / me. We need all the help we can get! Linda Linda Sparks Starr starr81@ix.netcom.com http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lksstarr/

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7DA98D1260232FA05F03443C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Debra, I'm going to jump in here and add some comments. There seems to be two/three "main" Starr lines. One is the Comfort Starr mentioned by Connie. Another is the Stoehr (Starr) line from Germany and then there is the "Lost Starrs" as I like to call them. I guess they are not really a "line" but.... If you can give us some dates and some names we can help you. WVA wasn't necessarily WVA back then by the way. Think of the land mass -- WVA, VA, even TN, OH, PA, etc as being one huge "state" for lack of a better word. The more information you can give, the better we can help you. OK? Well, I've added my two cents worth... I hope you stick around with the Starr-L group here -- you just might find something that connects. di Connie D Bishop wrote: > Hi Debra, > My Starr line is from England, but I don't know the origin of the name > either. However, "Early Starrs in Kent and New England by Hosea Starr > Ballou 1944, says on page 7, "There is a tradition that originally the > Starr family came from Flanders and was identified with the weaving > industry, brought to County Kent about 1331, in the time of Edward III." > > There were Starr's in other counties in England that do not seem to connect > to those in Kent and the name is found spelled various ways including Star > and Starre. > > I descend from Dr Comfort Starr, a line that seems to have been well > documented. However, because of that, I haven't spent much time working on > it. I would love to see someone put that line in an online database that > would allow descendants to send in information on their branches. If this > has already been done, I haven't stumbled onto the site so far, and hope > someone will point me that way so I can add my info. (I won't volunteer > cause I love the research but not the data entry <G>). > > Anyway, hope you find your WV bunch, post what information you do have and > maybe someone will recognize something. Or have access to records that would > help. And maybe some of Comforts descendants went that way...you never > know. > Good luck, > Connie Starr Bishop in NM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Starr" <starr@waveone.net> > To: <STARR-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 6:40 PM > > > Hello my name is Debra Starr, my Starr family are from West Virginia, > around > > Logan. I do not that much info on the Starr line. Are there any of you > > Starr's out there might be able to help me, or are possibly from West > > Virginia? I really want to find out my back ground. I don't even know > what > > the Starr name means. Or the orgin of it. My father says that we have > > Indiana in us, and that's where the Starr name comes from, but I can't > find > > any trace of Indian Hertiage in my line. I would really appreciate any > help > > that any one could offer. Thank you much. > > Sincerely, > > Debra Starr of Indiana > > > > > > --------------7DA98D1260232FA05F03443C Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="razzberri.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Diana Starr Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="razzberri.vcf" begin:vcard n:Cloutier;Diana Starr x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:razzberri@earthlink.net x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Diana Starr Cloutier end:vcard --------------7DA98D1260232FA05F03443C--

Linda, There is a hand written chart of the Norris - Myers, Crane - Starr Families at the Maryland State Archives. I don't see a Henry on it, but you might be interested in ordering a copy. (It's only one large page.) You can find the reference on line at http://archive2.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/library/search2.cfm The call no. is 0450 N Hope that helps, even if it eliminates a line for you. Diane

Morning still searching for JB Starr left east Tx and moved out to west TX. any info appreciated. Martha

To all - In response to Linda - In a 1906 Guion Miller claim, my ggf said that his gm Elizabeth (Moore) Browning born 1776 in NC was of Cherokee blood and that her mother was a Starr of the "old Starr family". Elizabeth married John Browning who was from MD. I am guessing that they married in NC as that is where all their children were born. An old map shows the Mississippi River as the western boundary of NC, thus including most of today's TN. If I am not mistaken, Caleb Starr and his wife the half-Cherokee Nancy Harlan, lived in Eastern TN, the Cherokee heartland.. I am also guessing that an earlier generation of white men from PA and elsewhere had already reached that area - Ross, Adair, Starr, Harlan, McMinn, etc. Parents and/or siblings of Caleb Starr may have been among them. Thus, Caleb may not have been the only progenitor of the Cherokee Starrs. However he and his sons, being treaty signers, are the best known. Food for thought! Adrian Davis, adryandav@aol.com Linda Starr Sparks wrote: ..... One is the PA Quakers, many of whom ended up in what is now West Virginia; another, the Cherokee Starrs, whose founder Caleb may have come from the PA Qauker group -- his mother was a Quaker, but his father wasn't, he was born in PA. And then another distinct group, but also 'loose' because we haven't found the connection to each other, let alone any of the major groups -- the STARRs in Maryland from 1748 through 1810 or so. Included is my Henry Starr, b. 1752 in MD d. 1821 in GA. Personally I've tried to connect him to the PA Quakers and the Cherokee Starrs without success; I'm now looking at the Dr. Comfort line. BUT there are a few other STARR families in Maryland who appear late 1770s/1780s, some went to IN, others to Richmond, VA and one member of this VA line ended up in GA 1830s I believe. I believe there is another MD STARR named John, who moved to SC and became "John Starr of Beach Island". If anyone has any information on the Maryland bunch (any of them) please post to the list / me. We need all the help we can get! Linda Linda Sparks Starr starr81@ix.netcom.com http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lksstarr/............................

Melanie and Debra, Have been interested in reading your messages regarding your STARR lines. My STARR line originated (as far as I know about) in Rowan County, NC. Prior to the census of 1790, most of them were STOEHRS, and later most were STARRS. This shows they changed the family name deliberately, was not a spelling error. Research indicates they probably came down from somewhere in PA, have wondered about a Dutch, or Moravian, early connection. There is a group of us researching STARRS. Melanie, I was interested in the fact that you mention a Jonathan STARR who married Zilpha Hylton. My gg grandfather was also a Jonathan, but he married Elizabeth Moore in NC, later moved to Indiana and then to Iowa. I am wondering if we still might be of the same STARR line, as often it seems that a family uses the same given names over and over--such as Jonathan. My Jonathan is buried in Davis County, Iowa, and so is his wife and much of our STARR family. Have you lived in Fresno long? Debra, I studied the Comfort STARR line for a number of years before learning that mine originally were STOEHRS. In fact my husband and I visited the graves of Comfort STARR and his wife in Boston a number of years ago. They are buried in a church yard right down town in Boston, beautifully restored church and cemetery is the church yard. I got a strange feeling in knowing they were buried there about 100 years prior to the Revolutionary War, mid 1600's. The headstones had been replaced by family members, but originals were there to see. Let me hear from you. Doris -----Original Message----- From: STARR-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:STARR-L-request@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Melanie Starr Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 7:32 PM To: STARR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: STARR-D Digest V00 #53 Hi Debra, I'm Melanie Starr of Fresno, CA. My Starrs are from Floyd Co., Virginia and Stokes Co, NC John Starr and Rebecca are my ggg Grandparents of Stokes Co, NC, their son was Jonathan Starr and wife Zilpha Hylton ( my gg grandparents) of Floyd Co., VA I find little information at all on the ggg grandparents when I try to do research. Give me a brief pedigree of your 4/5 generations, I'd like to see some names of your ancestors. Wonderful to meet you and learn of another Starr out there.