This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CWJBAIB/320.1.2 Message Board Post: "What I have got is all of the silver Mayflower books ever put out plus Mayflower books on all of the marriages" What you don't got -in spite of 'all of the silver Mayflower books ever put out plus Mayflower books on all of the marriages' is a line of descent from William White of The Mayflower. As you INCORRECTLY stated on 10 February at http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/message/an/surnames.crossman/250 " I am doing my Crossman line and I have it back to the " Mayflower " through John Francis Crossman and the Evans family then the Babcock family and then the Wheeler family and the William White family of the " Mayflower ". You see ... Anna Evans daughter of Amos Evans DID marry John Francis Crossman and Amos Evans her father DID marry Lydia Babcock (and Lydia Babcock WAS a daughter of David Babcock who was a son of Josiah Babcock and Elizabeth WHEELER) However, Anna Evans was born 12 years BEFORE her daddy married Lydia Babcock as his SECOND wife. Folks, I ASKED Howie about this on 26 Feb, both on-line and again via e-mail! He IGNORED me (he's good at that!) but Howie almost NEVER answers on-line posts, folks So I sent him e-mail, I guess Howie doesn't answer e-mail requests, either, Howie just likes to dole out his Mayflower 'xpertise' (often-times-without-citations) But Howie NOW has documentation of why his Flower has wilted, doncha young feller? Harumpfallthemayflowerbooks harumpfknowitall