Garry, The new data has just sent you on a different trail. But I think a little bit of research is required before you look elsewhere for help. 1861 and 1871 census should see Sarah Banner born c1854 with parents John & ??. It should then be simple to find John's marriage and mother's maiden name. You should then be able to use census and BMD records to find births, marriage, deaths etc of John & his wife. It's just a matter of one step at a time. Peter