Thank you to Peter R.B, Norm Simcock, Baz, Jackie, for all the information you have given me. I will certainly follow these suggestions. I have followed the Emily Hodson/Whittle line with some success and found that Thomas Henry born 1916 died 1917, but nothing on Herbert Robert born 1908 . I will check the marriage for Herbert Robert in 1942 to check if he married a Violet Deans, this name was given to me by a relative but I didn't connect it to Herbert. Grateful thanks. n.abrooks@bigpond.com 5.01.2013 11.20am