Thanks. I have added it to my Picasa album. here is the link https://picasaweb.google.com/111796849700179230505/Archives#5714650972693682050 Many Thanks Jan -----Original Message----- From: Michael Wright Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:17 PM To: Staffordshire RootsWeb Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls But you can put it online somewhere, like flikr.com and then post the link for it here. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > From: linlamberg@btinternet.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:59:00 +0000 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls > > You cannot add attachments to Rootsweb Lists Jan. > > HTH Linda. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jan, I have done some census transcripts in the past as well as deciphering my dad's writing! Would be glad to have a look. cheers, Anne > From: jan.rockett@ntlworld.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 13:13:17 +0000 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls > > I am hoping someone who is good at reading 1793 writing may be able to help > so I can forward it on. > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lin Lamberg > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:59 PM > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls > > You cannot add attachments to Rootsweb Lists Jan. > > HTH Linda. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Glad to help Jan our e mail is spellweaver@tinyworld.co.uk. Three heads are better than one, and between us we may manage to make some sense out of it. Surnames would help if you already know some of the cast of characters, as these are often the most difficult to read. Will be a rest cure after the 1611 will I'm struggling with at present! Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Rockett" <jan.rockett@ntlworld.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls >I am hoping someone who is good at reading 1793 writing may be able to help > so I can forward it on. > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lin Lamberg > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:59 PM > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls > > You cannot add attachments to Rootsweb Lists Jan. > > HTH Linda. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.927 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4242 - Release Date: 02/29/12 13:31:00

It takes me to your Picasa album (tab says: "Picasa Web Albums - Jan Rockett"); but the main page says: "Sorry, that page was not found." You could send it to our email addresses instead (mine is rahmuss@hotmail.com) or you could upload it to the rootsweb location as was also suggested. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > From: jan.rockett@ntlworld.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:06:02 +0000 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls > > Thanks. > I have added it to my Picasa album. > here is the link > > https://picasaweb.google.com/111796849700179230505/Archives#5714650972693682050 > > > Many Thanks > > Jan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Wright > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:17 PM > To: Staffordshire RootsWeb > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls > > > But you can put it online somewhere, like flikr.com and then post the link > for it here. > > Michael Wright > 801-773-7680 (H) > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > From: linlamberg@btinternet.com > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:59:00 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls > > > > You cannot add attachments to Rootsweb Lists Jan. > > > > HTH Linda. > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you like making sense of old documents you can help with some indexing projects. They let you download images of old materials and you enter the data in so that it can be searched for online. Here is a link where you can download the software and get started: https://familysearch.org/volunteer/indexing Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > From: tony.pinch@sky.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 13:31:57 +0000 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls > > Hi Jan, > I have always been interested in trying to make sense of old documents (just > a keen amateur), so if you would like to email the document directly to me > please, I would be pleased to have a go at interpreting the contents. > > Thanks. > > Jan Pinch (South Wales) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Rockett" <jan.rockett@ntlworld.com> > To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 1:13 PM > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls > > > >I am hoping someone who is good at reading 1793 writing may be able to help > > so I can forward it on. > > > > Jan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lin Lamberg > > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:59 PM > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls > > > > You cannot add attachments to Rootsweb Lists Jan. > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jan, I have always been interested in trying to make sense of old documents (just a keen amateur), so if you would like to email the document directly to me please, I would be pleased to have a go at interpreting the contents. Thanks. Jan Pinch (South Wales) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Rockett" <jan.rockett@ntlworld.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls >I am hoping someone who is good at reading 1793 writing may be able to help > so I can forward it on. > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lin Lamberg > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:59 PM > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls > > You cannot add attachments to Rootsweb Lists Jan.

I am hoping someone who is good at reading 1793 writing may be able to help so I can forward it on. Jan -----Original Message----- From: Lin Lamberg Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:59 PM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls You cannot add attachments to Rootsweb Lists Jan. HTH Linda. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marilyn Attached is a modern  map of the area on which I've marked some details from the 1901 Ordnance Survey map. You'll see Foundry Street marked in red. It doesn't exist anymore but it's neighbour Park Street still does, although totally redeveloped. The area, like most of it's neighbouring towns, had the older properties demolished in the "slum clearances" of the 1950's and 60's and has been extensively developed and re-developed since then.  Most of the roads in purple are relatively new, as is anything labelled "Black Country Route." Catherine's Cross ran across the top of Foundry Street and it became Wolverhampton Street further on. At some stage it must have been renamed Wolverhampton Street throughout. I've marked the direction of local towns - Moxley is less than 1 mile away, Bilston 2 miles and in the other direction Wednesbury is about 1 mile away.  I've also added the major iron works but the area is full of such industry of all shapes and sizes. The 1901 map shows Foundry Street with typical small terraced housing - two rooms upstairs, two down; shared toilet in the yard: shared water or well also outside in the yard -  but there are a couple of larger plots which could be industrial. However, it may just be the name of the street rather than having a foundry in it. So your ancestor may have worked in the same street but equally at any of the places around there - a couple of miles walk to work and then back was not uncommon. This link http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/articles/Darlaston/IronAndSteel.htm gives useful info on Iron and Steel in the area. The area was heavily industrialised and life was hard - even up to the 1930's.  The area remained very industrial up to the mid-1970's but declined rapidly after that. New maps of the area can be found at http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=397500&y=297500&z=120&sv=darlaston&st=3&tl=Map+of+Darlaston,+Walsall+[City/Town/Village]&searchp=ids.srf&mapp=map.srf I got my 1901 (and earlier maps)  from http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk/ but you might find some images on line at other sites. It was not uncommon for families to use part of the house as a shop (greengrocer?) or to start a pub in their house and sell beer brewed in the yard in the "Brewhouse." You can see examples of pub types in the pictures mentioned above. The pub side, often run by the wife, providing much needed additional income. The proprietors would be descibed as "victualers" or "vintners" which can sound quite upmarket to us for what was really a front room pub. Sometimes these expand to become fully fledged pubs and Foundry Street did have one called The Lamp Tavern http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/articles/Darlaston/Pubs.htm As for Isabella age 11 then as the 1870 Education Act had only just come in (requiring local bodies to provide eduction from 5 to 13)  she may well have left school already. She could be helping  out but I think it unlikely they'd describe her as a "vintner." Is it possible the description is "visitor" rather than "vintner"? Have a look at this link   http://www.aclickintime.co.uk/search.php  and select Darlaston for a selection of pictures. This site provides useful info on UK towns and villages http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/Darlaston/index.html  Hope this helps and good luck with the research. Regards Mike Bryan ________________________________ From: Marilyn L. Arnold <marilyn.arnold1@verizon.net> To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2012, 4:04 Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Where is: 160 Catherines Cross Foundry Street -- 1871/ and an 11-year old vintner??? Can anyone help me with the location of this street address in the 1817 Census?  This is my family in the Census, and Samuel was a "furnaceman" -- perhaps at the foundary?  What was the foundary on Catherines Cross Foundry Street?  Were there other foundaries?  Where else might he have worked? Alternatively, What would an 11 year old girl, Isabella Heighway been doing as a vintner????? Thanks, in advance for any thoughts on my DAVIES/HEIGHWAY family. Marilyn DC 1871 --  Samuel and Mary living at #160 Catherines Cross Foundry Street, Moxley [1] In 1871, Samuel (31) and Mary (30) are living in Moxley, Darlaston, So. Staffs, and are listed as "Davis."  With them are children George (6), William T. (4), Sarah A. (2) and Samuel J. (11 months).  Also in this household are Isabella "Highway" (11), Ann Rushton (54) and Fred Dolman (54).  Samuel and Mary were both listed as born in Madeley, Shropshire.  All four children were born in Staffordshire:  George, William, and Samuel in Moxeley, Darlaston; Sarah in Bilston.  Samuel was working as a furnaceman, and Mary as a green grocer.  George and William were in school.  Isabella Heighway, listed as a relative, was Mary's younger sister, and was born in Bradley, Staffordshire.  Her occupation was vintner, which was the occupation of Mary and Isabella's brother John James Heighway, who was a "victuller." Ann Rushton was a visitor, born Manchester, Staffordshire, and was widowed.  No occupation was given.  (Her relationship to the family, if any, is not known.)  Household #161 only listed Fred Dolman, a lodger, and a widower.  Fred was a coal miner, and was born in Bilston, Staffordshire. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [1]              1871 Census - England, Staffordshire, Registration District, Civil Parish and Town of Darlaston, Borough of Wednesday, Ecclesiastical Parish of All Saints Moxley, ED-2, p. 29, also stamped p. 41.  Ancestry:  Class: RG10; Piece: 2954; Folio: 41; Page: 29; GSU roll: 836424.     ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You cannot add attachments to Rootsweb Lists Jan. HTH Linda.

But you can put it online somewhere, like flikr.com and then post the link for it here. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > From: linlamberg@btinternet.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:59:00 +0000 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls > > You cannot add attachments to Rootsweb Lists Jan. > > HTH Linda. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree Bill but in this case I think the information was given by his parents Eric MILLWARD. My virus-free Family Tree is at http://genman.worldonline.co.uk/FamilyHistory.html (updated 06 February 2012). My photo galleries (non-genealogy) are at http://flickr.com/photos/bruckshaw/ and http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/8958754774

Eric Some people put the first place they remembered living at .... sometimes the wife used to travel to the home of her/her husband's parents for the birth ... and aftercare until they were fit to travel home. This could be many miles away from their actual domicile. Regards Bill -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eric Millward Sent: 29 February 2012 09:39 To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] JOHNSON 1911 Thanks to all for the help and the info on Ancestry coverage of Staffordshire for 1911. I have noted my errors and corrected where necessary. But Samuel was born in Ashley although he seems to have adopted Crewe in all but the 1881 census. Eric MILLWARD. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a scan of an entry in the Duchy of Lancaster Manor Court Rolls and would like help deciphering some of it. Can I add it as an attachment on here or not? Jan -----Original Message----- From: Harrison Genealogy Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:28 PM To: Birmingham Rootsweb ; Black Country Postings ; Pots Rootsweb ; Staffs Rootsweb Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Staffs BMD Update 9th Sept 2011 Hi All The Staffs BMD has been updated with the following records .... Births: 2,000 for Hanley, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1881-1883) 1,500 for Stoke, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1889-1891) regards Bill ======================================================================== The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michael, You've got to do the research. There's eight or more generations between 1793 and people living today. I presume George Moss and Sarah are still alive in 1841 census. That might be the place to start. If they stayed in England, BDM records are available from 1837-1937 on FreeBMD and right up to about 2007 via Ancestry. But it's a case of pulling them all together. Once you have the basic names, dates and locations you can look at supplementary data from other sources. Of course the other way is to look if anybody has submitted family trees at places like Rootsweb or Ancestry. But I think you'd at least need George & Sarah's marriage and children. And you must have some data. You don't just pick people from 1790's without having a link. Peter

Thanks to all for the help and the info on Ancestry coverage of Staffordshire for 1911. I have noted my errors and corrected where necessary. But Samuel was born in Ashley although he seems to have adopted Crewe in all but the 1881 census. Eric MILLWARD.

Eric, Try this from the old 1911 census site. For FREE when you know how to use it. Staffordshire doesn't appear in the county list on Ancestry. You could try FindMyPast I think you've found the wrong GEOFFERY. Note the spelling. Not sure about ATA. I presume it's daughter Katherine. JOHNSON SAMUEL M 1872 39 Wolstanton JOHNSON KATHERINE ELIZABETH F 1881 30 Wolstanton Staffordshire JOHNSON GEOFFERY M 1907 4 Wolstanton Staffordshire JOHNSON JOHN SAMUEL M 1910 1 Wolstanton Staffordshire JOHNSON ATA F 1910 1 Wolstanton Staffordshire Peter

Ata is actually Marjorie, bad handwriting. they had 4 children, 1 of which had died pre 1911 and lived in Hamil Road, Burslem, which is still there!! Jan -----Original Message----- From: Eric Millward Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:48 AM To: STAFFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] JOHNSON family 1911 This one has me beaten. I can find no trace of any of them in 1911 although I know that they were still alive . Some of the following information is from a solicitor who was dealing with an estate about 1990. There are various locations mentioned but I think Wolstanton is the best bet for 1911. Samuel JOHNSON, a baker: b 1872 at Ashley near Mucklestone. In 1901 he was at Monks Coppenhall, Crewe and died 1948 registered at SOT. Wife: Katherine (alias Katie) Gertrude nee CHARLTON b Liverpool 1881 died 1834 at Liverpool. Married 1901 New Brighton, Wirral. Daughter: Katherine Marjorie b 1909 registered Staffordshire Moorlands, Married Ronald Bourne HARRIS 1934 at Longton, d 1986 Leek and Cheddleton. Son: Geoffrey b 1897 Crewe and I have him in 1911 in Nantwich. Daughter: Helen Linda b? at ?, d 1990 at Peterborough as Helen Linda REES. M 1949 Birmingham. Son: John b ? at ?, still alive in 1932. There is a John S birth at Wolstanton in 1916 and a John S death at Stoke in 1947 aged 36. Possibly married May WEAVER at Longton in 1936. Any help gratefully received. and thanks for reading Eric MILLWARD. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Does anyone have any good ideas on finding descendants? I'm trying to find descendants for George MOSS (b. 1793 in Butterton, Staffordshire) and Sarah (b. about 1795). I keep running into dead ends because most records out there do not include living people. I'm trying to find people who may have old letters, or journals, or pictures of my ancestors. Any suggestions? Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C)

Did Emma die before 1841 census? It might show if born outside county. But I can't find a birth or christening of Emma Reeves c1795 on IGI at Family Search. I'd suggest looking for Reeves occurrences in 1841. You might just tweak a brother or cousin. Presumably parents would be over 70 and probably deceased. As for the death of George Hood, ages only appear on death records after about 1865, when according to 1861 census age, he would be about 73. While there are seven possibilities before ages appear, only two are in Stoke on Trent Registration District which covers Hanley and there's only one over 73 before the next census. So you have a choice of three. Were there any other possibilities around his age in the area in 1861. It might eliminate the 82 yr old. Peter