My search began a little differently as well in that while there were few family members to consult, I had a rough family tree handed down from my grandmother which had been drawn up in 1859 by her grandfather. Although it is missing some dates, it begins with a Thomas Wilkes, artist, died Wednesbury, Staffordshire 27th February 1782, aged 42 years. and Ann Wilkes, wife of the above died 11th February 1790. It also lists a son, Thomas, died 21st May 1785, aged 18 years. Back in the beginning of time, I did all my research by snail mail. I wrote to the church, St. Bartholomew's, in Wednesbury, and they confirmed the above information. Later I was able to order in film of the parish registers and was able to confirm the information for myself. It appears that only one son of the above Thomas and Ann survived, a John, who according to his son, also John Wilkes, moved to Birmingham where he carried on business as a gun manufacturer afterwards removed to London where he died 1825, lies in Bunhill Fields. (This I have been unable to confirm. As his children were baptized in 1827 in Whitechapel, London and their father is described as a gunsmith of John St., I question his date of death.) The younger John Wilkes went on to describe his own siblings. He said he was the youngest and only surviving son, was born in London 17 Feb 1825. A sister, Mary Anne, married James Chambers of London (with the excise for many years) and had Ann, Samuel and Elizabeth. I have found a record of their baptisms in St. Dunstan's, Stepney. The only other sibling who appears to have had children was a sister, Maria Louisa, who married Andrew Merrick Lees of West Bromwich 7 Sep 1828, died in London of cholera shortly after the birth of her son Merrick Andrew Lees c. 1833 St. Mary, Whitechapel, London, later of Great Bridge Tipton, Ironmonger. The John in the next generation married, had 4 daughters, all unmarried, one son who died aged 2, and my great grandfather, Leopold Wilkes. Leopold did marry, had one daughter, but both he and my great-grandmother died of fevers in South Africa where he was a schoolmaster. My grandmother was sent back to England to live with relatives. I am stuck back with Thomas Wilkes. He married Anne Short at St. Bartholomew's, Wednesbury, 4 Dec 1762. I think he may have had a sister Anne, c. 25 Dec 1736, m. John Burkett 12 Nov 1757, and that their parents were William Wilkes and Mary Ares (Harris?) m. 8 Mar 1735, St. B., Wed. but cannot figure out how to prove this. If these are the correct parents, then Thomas was c. 28 Sep 1740 I have further speculated that Anne Short was the daughter of John Short and Eleanor Davis m. 14 Jan 1737, also St. B., Wed. but again it is only by process of elimination in the films I've brought in through the LDS church, and putting together possible family groups. I'd be delighted if anyone is able to give me some suggestions on how to confirm that I have made the correct assumptions for parents of Thomas Wilkes and Anne Short. If anyone on the list has any interest in any of these names, I would be most interested in hearing from them. There cannot be many descendents of this family, and none carrying the Wilkes name as far as I can tell. Margot Jorgensen, Courtenay B. C., Canada

Sorry, it's a bit confusing. All of those Elizabeths were born in 1821. Some of these records show the birth year (1821) and some of them show the census year (ie. 1841, 1861, 1901) and her age (ie. 20, 40, 80). So they're all actually born in 1821, though, now there is some dispute as to whether or not she was born in 1821 or as early as 1818, or as late as 1822; but we're sticking with the census records which show her parents and siblings, so we'll stick with 1821 as the year she was born. George MOSS was born in Butterton, Staffordshire, England in 1793, and died in 1873 Sarah ________ (DEVILLE?) was likely born in Onecote, Staffordshire, England in 1795, and died in 1837 (so she actually wasn't around for the 1841 census like I posted earlier) They had seven children (per the census records) Thomas MOSS (1820-1881) Elizabeth MOSS (1821-????) John MOSS (1823-1894) Ann MOSS (1826-????) Pheobe MOSS (1829-1915) Joseph MOSS (1830-1881) Sarah MOSS (1832-1891) I'm related to the long living Phoebe MOSS, and I'm guessing that if any of the children had keepsakes from their parents, they might have made their way to her; but that's only guess work. I wanted to find her descendants to see if anyone had any keepsakes which might give me more information on Phoebe's mother, Sarah _______. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > From: christinebenson313@btinternet.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 14:34:04 +0000 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > Hi Michael, > > The ages of the Elizabeth's you list vary enormously from 40 to 80 in the > ones I have looked at. What was her age in 1841. Although this is rounded > down to the nearest 5 years it is still a good indication of her birth year. > using that you should be able to pare the list down. Giving the ages of her > parents and where they were born (as far as you can) might also help others > to find your family. > > Christine > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Wright > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 1:46 PM > To: Staffordshire RootsWeb > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > Diana, > Thanks for giving me some hope. Last night was fairly depressing. I spent > about three hours trying to look for one of my ancestors' husband with no > luck. George MOSS and Sarah had a daughter named Elizabeth, and we know > nothing of who she married, or if she died. We only know that she shows up > in the 1841 census and then disappears. Haven't found any deaths that I > could see. She could have crossed the country and married someone. I > searched through 3,338 records last night and collected 38 individuals > (birth place wasn't exact; but close enough to not discount), Elizabeth > ___surname___, some of them are likely repeats, leaving about 30 left. > > -- Leek -- > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74P-TFD Elizabeth STOKER > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ6R-8CG Elizabeth STOKES > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X9KQ-HRS Elizabeth STOKES > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-JY7 Elizabeth MASON > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-NVV Elizabeth MASON > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3T2-MJ3 Elizabeth FLINT > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XS7X-LFG Elizabeth FLINT > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-KRS Elizabeth TIPPER > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XSXQ-GBK Elizabeth GEORGE > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7V3-TL3 Elizabeth HULSON > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VZ-YM7 Elizabeth HILTON > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMZJ-CRJ Elizabeth ADAMS > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3BP-GSW Elizabeth ABBOTT > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VZ-BT9 Elizabeth ABBOTT > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3VG-NKK Elizabeth TITLEY > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-GG6 Elizabeth TRAFFORD > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-N1Y Elizabeth MAGNIAC > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-D14 Elizabeth HODRIEN > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3V6-JDX Elizabeth PIDGEON > > -- ...Staffordshire -- > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7T8-BJ1 Elizabeth LEWIS > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M749-P68 Elizabeth ALLEN > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M749-ZHQ Elizabeth ALLEN > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VY-K68 Elizabeth BISSELL > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7D9-4ZL Elizabeth FRANCIS > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JQ-F99 Elizabeth KENNEDAY > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VL-VVQ Elizabeth RANDLEY > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-V5L Elizabeth PODD > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JF-TP3 Elizabeth HILL > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JJ-F2H Elizabeth HODDARD > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-8KH Elizabeth HILL > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7DC-F7H Elizabeth BOYES > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7V4-3BF Elizabeth BRADDOCK > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M717-RMN Elizabeth HARVEY > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7X9-LMH Elizabeth ACTON > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7C8-85K Elizabeth WRIGHT > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7C2-J9N Elizabeth WORD > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M71B-S8R Elizabeth BUCH > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7DP-QRY Elizabeth COCK > > And my ancestor may or may not be one of them. Her older brother was born > in Onecote (Staffordshire), her next younger sister was also born in > Onecote. I could not find any births for an Elizabeth in Onecote doing my > search for her later on, so now I'll have to verify if she really was born > in Onecote. Oh the fun; but I do enjoy looking for them. It's just > discouraging not finding anything helpful yet. Anyway, thanks again for the > encouragement. I'm going to see what contact information my dad has for his > relatives on that side. > > Michael Wright > 801-773-7680 (H) > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:03:15 +1000 > > From: dmlfamilyhistory@gmail.com > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > Michael, Only by doing the research yourself, one person after another, > > will you unexpectedly find gems of information that you would otherwise > > miss, these leading to wonderful stories and to other branches of your > > family. If you are only doing this to gather names and dates you will miss > > out on so much. It has to become a labour of love, which in turn becomes > > an absorbing hobby. Maybe like many of us, you won't be able to do very > > much until your own children are grown up and you have retired, but in the > > meantime, just do a little as and when you can, and I am sure it will be > > well worth your while in the long run. I have now got about 4500 in my > > tree, and have made some wonderful discoveries that I would never have > > dreamt possible 20 years ago, and I have found many previously unknown > > relations with whom I now communicate. They in turn can often give you > > information which will help in your search....not only information, but > > photographs too. Only today I received a photograph of myself and my > > family taken 56 years ago that I had never seen before. I would never have > > even known about it's existence but for my family history hobby. Happy > > hunting, Diana > > > > On 1 March 2012 15:08, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Peter, > > > They were both alive for the 1841 census; but Sarah died before the 1851 > > > census. I have names of their children, and some of the spouses of the > > > children. I don't mind doing the work; but they had a lot of kids, if on > > > average each child had 4 kids, and each of those had 4 kids...etc... > > > down > > > to me then there would be tens of thousands of names to find. Obviously > > > I > > > know most of my close cousins and aunts and uncles and grandparents; but > > > not much more than that. Looking up thousands of names individually is a > > > daunting task, and as I have five young children of my own I don't have > > > much time. I was hoping there might be some tool out there which might > > > assist in things like this; but it doesn't sound like it. I'll see what > > > I > > > can find. > > > > > > Michael Wright > > > 801-773-7680 (H) > > > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > > > > > > > From: pbo08596@bigpond.net.au > > > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > > > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:31:38 +1100 > > > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > You've got to do the research. There's eight or more generations > > > > between > > > > 1793 and people living today. > > > > > > > > I presume George Moss and Sarah are still alive in 1841 census. That > > > > might be the place to start. > > > > > > > > If they stayed in England, BDM records are available from 1837-1937 on > > > > FreeBMD and right up to about 2007 via Ancestry. But it's a case of > > > pulling > > > > them all together. Once you have the basic names, dates and locations > > > > you > > > > can look at supplementary data from other sources. > > > > > > > > Of course the other way is to look if anybody has submitted family > > > > trees > > > > at places like Rootsweb or Ancestry. But I think you'd at least need > > > George > > > > & Sarah's marriage and children. > > > > > > > > And you must have some data. You don't just pick people from 1790's > > > > without having a link. > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > ****************************** > > > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > > > ARCHIVED > > > MATERIALS. > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ****************************** > > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > > > ARCHIVED > > > MATERIALS. > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jan Rockett wrote, Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:45:54 -0000 > would like help deciphering some of it. See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,584777.0.html

Bob: I think this is often true w/oral history -- skipping the generations -- because the story is passed down that "my grandfather came from ABC and did XYZ" and in the generations to come, it is still passed down as "my grandfather" because these are stories often told to/heard by children. Often the truth (or clues) are there somewhere .... that's the fun stuff! And yes, we can irritate the living! (Who cares??! these people are DEAD!!) (Yes, but interesting!) lol. Marilyn DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" <efr54321@gmail.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > OK!! So it worked differently for me. Probably unusual - but it worked. > > A GGM left a letter documenting what she know of the oral history passed > to her. I followed it back as everyone has suggested and ...... nothing! > Oh, I was perfect to 1820 and then a big brick wall. So I. Started again > where she had ended and it turned out to be history from a century > earlier. With that clue, I worked up rather than down. Let me share that > it much harder going up than it is going down. Too many options! But it > worked! After a long search, I found that the oral history skipped a > generation. I may have gotten there in the usual way but ...... > > Try anything! After all, genealogy is the process of disturbing the dead > and irritating the living! > > Bob > > > > On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OK!! So it worked differently for me. Probably unusual - but it worked. A GGM left a letter documenting what she know of the oral history passed to her. I followed it back as everyone has suggested and ...... nothing! Oh, I was perfect to 1820 and then a big brick wall. So I. Started again where she had ended and it turned out to be history from a century earlier. With that clue, I worked up rather than down. Let me share that it much harder going up than it is going down. Too many options! But it worked! After a long search, I found that the oral history skipped a generation. I may have gotten there in the usual way but ...... Try anything! After all, genealogy is the process of disturbing the dead and irritating the living! Bob On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: > >

Michael: Yes ... despite the "quick success stories" people see at Who do You Think You Are or "The Locator" -- genealogy and finding people is NOT always quick or easy. Patience is required. It took me about 10 years to sort out the various CLARK families in one particular area of rural Vermont, and it was one SINGLE clue that led me to my ancestor -- a very brief obit in a neighboring town's newspaper indicating that he was born in 1775, CT (unlike the rest of the Clarks of that town who came from MA). BINGO. And figuring out my DAVIES in Shrops and Staffs, who are all creatively named Samuel, William, George, Thomas, or Harry (or Mary, Ann or Eleanor), has been quite the challenge, but I'm in touch with descendants who were siblings in the 1860-70s (who remained in England), for which I am grateful! (And, siblings from the 1840s in the US one generation earlier). Even found one distant cousin on this line where the common ancestors were born in the 1790s! Working collaboratively is exciting and fun for all -- you just never know who may have the clues, the family Bible, the letters, old pictures, and even the recipe for the "Humbugs (from the 1840s)." (At least one of my cousins is on this list -- hi Al!) (We found each other about 12 years ago online.) Don't give up hope. Follow the siblings, because you never know where that clue may be! Be sure you have a "strong foundation" before you go building the roof on that house, however .... (from some of the correspondence, I'm not sure you have that ...?) Best wishes, Marilyn DC (sunny, windows open, mild!) DAVIES, HEIGHWAY Married: CADDICK, HAMPTON, COATES, PURCELL, BEET, BUTLER, JONES (1840-1940s); pre 1840 in Shrops. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Shaw" <shawforsure@gmail.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > Hi Michael, we ALL know that feeling of trawling through many records > trying to find someone, and we end up finding that their birth was not > registered or their mum died and the neighbour took them in.....in one mad > moment, trying to find my Spiers in Scotland, I printed all of them out > and > went through them one by one...pages and pages it took...days and days it > took....eventually found them and not where I was told either. Do not > give > up. many more records are coming on line and sometimes you just have to > wait a bit for a new census or parish records to be available. All the > best. Robyn Shaw, Qld, Australia > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thanks for giving me some hope. Last night was fairly depressing. I >> spent about three hours trying to look for one of my ancestors' husband >> with no luck. George MOSS and Sarah had a daughter named Elizabeth, and >> we >> know nothing of who she married, or if she died. <snip>

Michael Is your Elizabeth Moss in 1841 the one living with George (45), Thomas (20), John (15), Ann (15), Phoebe (13), Joseph (11) and Sarah (9) - all in Onecote? Ruth On 1 March 2012 16:04, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Peter, > Thanks again for the info on this. I have tried finding descendants from > my ancestors on down to our time, now I think I'll try it the other way > around. The only one on that side who I know (only emailed twice, never > seen or spoke with them) lives far across the country from me, so getting > some of the documents may be tricky. I've emailed; but they had a death in > their family recently and haven't gotten back to me yet beyond telling me > that. I'll keep at it day by day. Thanks again. > > Michael Wright > 801-773-7680 (H) > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > From: pbo08596@bigpond.net.au > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:38:43 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > Michael, > > > > As I said, you must have some data to get back to 1790's in the first > > place. > > > > You don't have to trace every branch line, but it does help to jot down > > siblings of direct lines as you find them in census records. > > > > You can then use them to see if they are in any submitted trees. > > > > Otherwise, list known BDM names, dates and locations your parents, > > grandparents, great grandparents etc on this list and see if anyone can > link > > up. > > > > Peter > > > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Michael, As I said, you must have some data to get back to 1790's in the first place. You don't have to trace every branch line, but it does help to jot down siblings of direct lines as you find them in census records. You can then use them to see if they are in any submitted trees. Otherwise, list known BDM names, dates and locations your parents, grandparents, great grandparents etc on this list and see if anyone can link up. Peter

Michael, to further confuse you....George Moss could be Goss or Woss, my relation was Henry Nash, he ended up as Wash. Writing with a pen doing upward strokes is not easy and a W, M, and N look alike. Wackford became Mackford also. Wait a while. Maybe your lot came to Oz and, as they say, must have swum. They could be in jail, visiting rellies in Scotland or in hospital. Never say die, just go and do something else for a while...you get brain overload. Robyn On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Marilyn L. Arnold < marilyn.arnold1@verizon.net> wrote: > Michael: > > Yes ... despite the "quick success stories" people see at Who do You Think > You Are or "The Locator" -- genealogy and finding people is NOT always > quick > or easy. Patience is required. It took me about 10 years to sort out the > various CLARK families in one particular area of rural Vermont, and it was > one SINGLE clue that led me to my ancestor -- a very brief obit in a > neighboring town's newspaper indicating that he was born in 1775, CT > (unlike > the rest of the Clarks of that town who came from MA). BINGO. > > And figuring out my DAVIES in Shrops and Staffs, who are all creatively > named Samuel, William, George, Thomas, or Harry (or Mary, Ann or Eleanor), > has been quite the challenge, but I'm in touch with descendants who were > siblings in the 1860-70s (who remained in England), for which I am > grateful! > (And, siblings from the 1840s in the US one generation earlier). Even > found > one distant cousin on this line where the common ancestors were born in the > 1790s! Working collaboratively is exciting and fun for all -- you just > never know who may have the clues, the family Bible, the letters, old > pictures, and even the recipe for the "Humbugs (from the 1840s)." (At > least > one of my cousins is on this list -- hi Al!) (We found each other about 12 > years ago online.) > > Don't give up hope. Follow the siblings, because you never know where that > clue may be! Be sure you have a "strong foundation" before you go building > the roof on that house, however .... (from some of the correspondence, I'm > not sure you have that ...?) > > Best wishes, > > Marilyn > DC (sunny, windows open, mild!) > > DAVIES, HEIGHWAY > Married: CADDICK, HAMPTON, COATES, PURCELL, BEET, BUTLER, JONES > (1840-1940s); pre 1840 in Shrops. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robyn Shaw" <shawforsure@gmail.com> > To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 2:17 PM > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > Hi Michael, we ALL know that feeling of trawling through many records > > trying to find someone, and we end up finding that their birth was not > > registered or their mum died and the neighbour took them in.....in one > mad > > moment, trying to find my Spiers in Scotland, I printed all of them out > > and > > went through them one by one...pages and pages it took...days and days it > > took....eventually found them and not where I was told either. Do not > > give > > up. many more records are coming on line and sometimes you just have to > > wait a bit for a new census or parish records to be available. All the > > best. Robyn Shaw, Qld, Australia > > > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Thanks for giving me some hope. Last night was fairly depressing. I > >> spent about three hours trying to look for one of my ancestors' husband > >> with no luck. George MOSS and Sarah had a daughter named Elizabeth, and > >> we > >> know nothing of who she married, or if she died. > <snip> > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Robyn Freney-Shaw Manager/Co-Ordinator Spiritus Soup Kitchen Toowoomba.

Michael, Only by doing the research yourself, one person after another, will you unexpectedly find gems of information that you would otherwise miss, these leading to wonderful stories and to other branches of your family. If you are only doing this to gather names and dates you will miss out on so much. It has to become a labour of love, which in turn becomes an absorbing hobby. Maybe like many of us, you won't be able to do very much until your own children are grown up and you have retired, but in the meantime, just do a little as and when you can, and I am sure it will be well worth your while in the long run. I have now got about 4500 in my tree, and have made some wonderful discoveries that I would never have dreamt possible 20 years ago, and I have found many previously unknown relations with whom I now communicate. They in turn can often give you information which will help in your search....not only information, but photographs too. Only today I received a photograph of myself and my family taken 56 years ago that I had never seen before. I would never have even known about it's existence but for my family history hobby. Happy hunting, Diana On 1 March 2012 15:08, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Peter, > They were both alive for the 1841 census; but Sarah died before the 1851 > census. I have names of their children, and some of the spouses of the > children. I don't mind doing the work; but they had a lot of kids, if on > average each child had 4 kids, and each of those had 4 kids...etc... down > to me then there would be tens of thousands of names to find. Obviously I > know most of my close cousins and aunts and uncles and grandparents; but > not much more than that. Looking up thousands of names individually is a > daunting task, and as I have five young children of my own I don't have > much time. I was hoping there might be some tool out there which might > assist in things like this; but it doesn't sound like it. I'll see what I > can find. > > Michael Wright > 801-773-7680 (H) > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > From: pbo08596@bigpond.net.au > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:31:38 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > Michael, > > > > You've got to do the research. There's eight or more generations between > > 1793 and people living today. > > > > I presume George Moss and Sarah are still alive in 1841 census. That > > might be the place to start. > > > > If they stayed in England, BDM records are available from 1837-1937 on > > FreeBMD and right up to about 2007 via Ancestry. But it's a case of > pulling > > them all together. Once you have the basic names, dates and locations you > > can look at supplementary data from other sources. > > > > Of course the other way is to look if anybody has submitted family trees > > at places like Rootsweb or Ancestry. But I think you'd at least need > George > > & Sarah's marriage and children. > > > > And you must have some data. You don't just pick people from 1790's > > without having a link. > > > > Peter > > > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I would check the Census in 1851 and see if an Elizabeth was married and living near her parents, she could be called Betty or Lizzie, which were quite common variants of Elizabeth. Linda.

Hi Michael, The ages of the Elizabeth's you list vary enormously from 40 to 80 in the ones I have looked at. What was her age in 1841. Although this is rounded down to the nearest 5 years it is still a good indication of her birth year. using that you should be able to pare the list down. Giving the ages of her parents and where they were born (as far as you can) might also help others to find your family. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Michael Wright Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 1:46 PM To: Staffordshire RootsWeb Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants Diana, Thanks for giving me some hope. Last night was fairly depressing. I spent about three hours trying to look for one of my ancestors' husband with no luck. George MOSS and Sarah had a daughter named Elizabeth, and we know nothing of who she married, or if she died. We only know that she shows up in the 1841 census and then disappears. Haven't found any deaths that I could see. She could have crossed the country and married someone. I searched through 3,338 records last night and collected 38 individuals (birth place wasn't exact; but close enough to not discount), Elizabeth ___surname___, some of them are likely repeats, leaving about 30 left. -- Leek -- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74P-TFD Elizabeth STOKER https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ6R-8CG Elizabeth STOKES https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X9KQ-HRS Elizabeth STOKES https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-JY7 Elizabeth MASON https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-NVV Elizabeth MASON https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3T2-MJ3 Elizabeth FLINT https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XS7X-LFG Elizabeth FLINT https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-KRS Elizabeth TIPPER https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XSXQ-GBK Elizabeth GEORGE https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7V3-TL3 Elizabeth HULSON https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VZ-YM7 Elizabeth HILTON https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMZJ-CRJ Elizabeth ADAMS https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3BP-GSW Elizabeth ABBOTT https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VZ-BT9 Elizabeth ABBOTT https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3VG-NKK Elizabeth TITLEY https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-GG6 Elizabeth TRAFFORD https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-N1Y Elizabeth MAGNIAC https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-D14 Elizabeth HODRIEN https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3V6-JDX Elizabeth PIDGEON -- ...Staffordshire -- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7T8-BJ1 Elizabeth LEWIS https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M749-P68 Elizabeth ALLEN https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M749-ZHQ Elizabeth ALLEN https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VY-K68 Elizabeth BISSELL https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7D9-4ZL Elizabeth FRANCIS https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JQ-F99 Elizabeth KENNEDAY https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VL-VVQ Elizabeth RANDLEY https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-V5L Elizabeth PODD https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JF-TP3 Elizabeth HILL https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JJ-F2H Elizabeth HODDARD https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-8KH Elizabeth HILL https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7DC-F7H Elizabeth BOYES https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7V4-3BF Elizabeth BRADDOCK https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M717-RMN Elizabeth HARVEY https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7X9-LMH Elizabeth ACTON https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7C8-85K Elizabeth WRIGHT https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7C2-J9N Elizabeth WORD https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M71B-S8R Elizabeth BUCH https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7DP-QRY Elizabeth COCK And my ancestor may or may not be one of them. Her older brother was born in Onecote (Staffordshire), her next younger sister was also born in Onecote. I could not find any births for an Elizabeth in Onecote doing my search for her later on, so now I'll have to verify if she really was born in Onecote. Oh the fun; but I do enjoy looking for them. It's just discouraging not finding anything helpful yet. Anyway, thanks again for the encouragement. I'm going to see what contact information my dad has for his relatives on that side. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:03:15 +1000 > From: dmlfamilyhistory@gmail.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > Michael, Only by doing the research yourself, one person after another, > will you unexpectedly find gems of information that you would otherwise > miss, these leading to wonderful stories and to other branches of your > family. If you are only doing this to gather names and dates you will miss > out on so much. It has to become a labour of love, which in turn becomes > an absorbing hobby. Maybe like many of us, you won't be able to do very > much until your own children are grown up and you have retired, but in the > meantime, just do a little as and when you can, and I am sure it will be > well worth your while in the long run. I have now got about 4500 in my > tree, and have made some wonderful discoveries that I would never have > dreamt possible 20 years ago, and I have found many previously unknown > relations with whom I now communicate. They in turn can often give you > information which will help in your search....not only information, but > photographs too. Only today I received a photograph of myself and my > family taken 56 years ago that I had never seen before. I would never have > even known about it's existence but for my family history hobby. Happy > hunting, Diana > > On 1 March 2012 15:08, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Peter, > > They were both alive for the 1841 census; but Sarah died before the 1851 > > census. I have names of their children, and some of the spouses of the > > children. I don't mind doing the work; but they had a lot of kids, if on > > average each child had 4 kids, and each of those had 4 kids...etc... > > down > > to me then there would be tens of thousands of names to find. Obviously > > I > > know most of my close cousins and aunts and uncles and grandparents; but > > not much more than that. Looking up thousands of names individually is a > > daunting task, and as I have five young children of my own I don't have > > much time. I was hoping there might be some tool out there which might > > assist in things like this; but it doesn't sound like it. I'll see what > > I > > can find. > > > > Michael Wright > > 801-773-7680 (H) > > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > > > > From: pbo08596@bigpond.net.au > > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:31:38 +1100 > > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > You've got to do the research. There's eight or more generations > > > between > > > 1793 and people living today. > > > > > > I presume George Moss and Sarah are still alive in 1841 census. That > > > might be the place to start. > > > > > > If they stayed in England, BDM records are available from 1837-1937 on > > > FreeBMD and right up to about 2007 via Ancestry. But it's a case of > > pulling > > > them all together. Once you have the basic names, dates and locations > > > you > > > can look at supplementary data from other sources. > > > > > > Of course the other way is to look if anybody has submitted family > > > trees > > > at places like Rootsweb or Ancestry. But I think you'd at least need > > George > > > & Sarah's marriage and children. > > > > > > And you must have some data. You don't just pick people from 1790's > > > without having a link. > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > ****************************** > > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > > ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > > ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Michael, we ALL know that feeling of trawling through many records trying to find someone, and we end up finding that their birth was not registered or their mum died and the neighbour took them in.....in one mad moment, trying to find my Spiers in Scotland, I printed all of them out and went through them one by one...pages and pages it took...days and days it took....eventually found them and not where I was told either. Do not give up. many more records are coming on line and sometimes you just have to wait a bit for a new census or parish records to be available. All the best. Robyn Shaw, Qld, Australia On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Diana, > Thanks for giving me some hope. Last night was fairly depressing. I > spent about three hours trying to look for one of my ancestors' husband > with no luck. George MOSS and Sarah had a daughter named Elizabeth, and we > know nothing of who she married, or if she died. We only know that she > shows up in the 1841 census and then disappears. Haven't found any deaths > that I could see. She could have crossed the country and married someone. > I searched through 3,338 records last night and collected 38 individuals > (birth place wasn't exact; but close enough to not discount), Elizabeth > ___surname___, some of them are likely repeats, leaving about 30 left. > > -- Leek -- > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74P-TFD Elizabeth STOKER > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ6R-8CG Elizabeth STOKES > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X9KQ-HRS Elizabeth STOKES > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-JY7 Elizabeth MASON > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-NVV Elizabeth MASON > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3T2-MJ3 Elizabeth FLINT > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XS7X-LFG Elizabeth FLINT > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-KRS Elizabeth TIPPER > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XSXQ-GBK Elizabeth GEORGE > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7V3-TL3 Elizabeth HULSON > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VZ-YM7 Elizabeth HILTON > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMZJ-CRJ Elizabeth ADAMS > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3BP-GSW Elizabeth ABBOTT > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VZ-BT9 Elizabeth ABBOTT > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3VG-NKK Elizabeth TITLEY > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-GG6 Elizabeth TRAFFORD > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-N1Y Elizabeth MAGNIAC > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-D14 Elizabeth HODRIEN > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3V6-JDX Elizabeth PIDGEON > > -- ...Staffordshire -- > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7T8-BJ1 Elizabeth LEWIS > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M749-P68 Elizabeth ALLEN > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M749-ZHQ Elizabeth ALLEN > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VY-K68 Elizabeth BISSELL > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7D9-4ZL Elizabeth FRANCIS > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JQ-F99 Elizabeth KENNEDAY > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VL-VVQ Elizabeth RANDLEY > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-V5L Elizabeth PODD > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JF-TP3 Elizabeth HILL > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JJ-F2H Elizabeth HODDARD > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-8KH Elizabeth HILL > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7DC-F7H Elizabeth BOYES > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7V4-3BF Elizabeth BRADDOCK > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M717-RMN Elizabeth HARVEY > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7X9-LMH Elizabeth ACTON > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7C8-85K Elizabeth WRIGHT > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7C2-J9N Elizabeth WORD > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M71B-S8R Elizabeth BUCH > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7DP-QRY Elizabeth COCK > > And my ancestor may or may not be one of them. Her older brother was born > in Onecote (Staffordshire), her next younger sister was also born in > Onecote. I could not find any births for an Elizabeth in Onecote doing my > search for her later on, so now I'll have to verify if she really was born > in Onecote. Oh the fun; but I do enjoy looking for them. It's just > discouraging not finding anything helpful yet. Anyway, thanks again for > the encouragement. I'm going to see what contact information my dad has > for his relatives on that side. > > Michael Wright > 801-773-7680 (H) > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:03:15 +1000 > > From: dmlfamilyhistory@gmail.com > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > Michael, Only by doing the research yourself, one person after another, > > will you unexpectedly find gems of information that you would otherwise > > miss, these leading to wonderful stories and to other branches of your > > family. If you are only doing this to gather names and dates you will > miss > > out on so much. It has to become a labour of love, which in turn becomes > > an absorbing hobby. Maybe like many of us, you won't be able to do very > > much until your own children are grown up and you have retired, but in > the > > meantime, just do a little as and when you can, and I am sure it will be > > well worth your while in the long run. I have now got about 4500 in my > > tree, and have made some wonderful discoveries that I would never have > > dreamt possible 20 years ago, and I have found many previously unknown > > relations with whom I now communicate. They in turn can often give you > > information which will help in your search....not only information, but > > photographs too. Only today I received a photograph of myself and my > > family taken 56 years ago that I had never seen before. I would never > have > > even known about it's existence but for my family history hobby. Happy > > hunting, Diana > > > > On 1 March 2012 15:08, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Peter, > > > They were both alive for the 1841 census; but Sarah died before the > 1851 > > > census. I have names of their children, and some of the spouses of the > > > children. I don't mind doing the work; but they had a lot of kids, if > on > > > average each child had 4 kids, and each of those had 4 kids...etc... > down > > > to me then there would be tens of thousands of names to find. > Obviously I > > > know most of my close cousins and aunts and uncles and grandparents; > but > > > not much more than that. Looking up thousands of names individually is > a > > > daunting task, and as I have five young children of my own I don't have > > > much time. I was hoping there might be some tool out there which might > > > assist in things like this; but it doesn't sound like it. I'll see > what I > > > can find. > > > > > > Michael Wright > > > 801-773-7680 (H) > > > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > > > > > > > From: pbo08596@bigpond.net.au > > > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > > > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:31:38 +1100 > > > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > You've got to do the research. There's eight or more generations > between > > > > 1793 and people living today. > > > > > > > > I presume George Moss and Sarah are still alive in 1841 census. That > > > > might be the place to start. > > > > > > > > If they stayed in England, BDM records are available from 1837-1937 > on > > > > FreeBMD and right up to about 2007 via Ancestry. But it's a case of > > > pulling > > > > them all together. Once you have the basic names, dates and > locations you > > > > can look at supplementary data from other sources. > > > > > > > > Of course the other way is to look if anybody has submitted family > trees > > > > at places like Rootsweb or Ancestry. But I think you'd at least need > > > George > > > > & Sarah's marriage and children. > > > > > > > > And you must have some data. You don't just pick people from 1790's > > > > without having a link. > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > ****************************** > > > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do > not > > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > ARCHIVED > > > MATERIALS. > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ****************************** > > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > ARCHIVED > > > MATERIALS. > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Robyn Freney-Shaw Manager/Co-Ordinator Spiritus Soup Kitchen Toowoomba.

Jan Thanks for the image ... This can now be downloaded from my site by clicking on the link below ... It will be left on there for a week. http://www.northstaffsresearch.co.uk/DanielSimpson1793.JPG regards Bill -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ooooppss Sent: 29 February 2012 23:07 To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls "Jan Rockett" wrote, Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:45:54 -0000 > I have a scan of an entry in the Duchy of > Lancaster Manor Court Rolls If you have access to it, I hope you scanned more than just the one entry ! > and would like help deciphering some of it. > Can I add it as an attachment on here or not? Not here, no. But you could try http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,425.0.html where you can upload directly. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter, Thanks again for the info on this. I have tried finding descendants from my ancestors on down to our time, now I think I'll try it the other way around. The only one on that side who I know (only emailed twice, never seen or spoke with them) lives far across the country from me, so getting some of the documents may be tricky. I've emailed; but they had a death in their family recently and haven't gotten back to me yet beyond telling me that. I'll keep at it day by day. Thanks again. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > From: pbo08596@bigpond.net.au > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:38:43 +1100 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > Michael, > > As I said, you must have some data to get back to 1790's in the first > place. > > You don't have to trace every branch line, but it does help to jot down > siblings of direct lines as you find them in census records. > > You can then use them to see if they are in any submitted trees. > > Otherwise, list known BDM names, dates and locations your parents, > grandparents, great grandparents etc on this list and see if anyone can link > up. > > Peter > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Diana, Thanks for giving me some hope. Last night was fairly depressing. I spent about three hours trying to look for one of my ancestors' husband with no luck. George MOSS and Sarah had a daughter named Elizabeth, and we know nothing of who she married, or if she died. We only know that she shows up in the 1841 census and then disappears. Haven't found any deaths that I could see. She could have crossed the country and married someone. I searched through 3,338 records last night and collected 38 individuals (birth place wasn't exact; but close enough to not discount), Elizabeth ___surname___, some of them are likely repeats, leaving about 30 left. -- Leek -- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74P-TFD Elizabeth STOKER https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ6R-8CG Elizabeth STOKES https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X9KQ-HRS Elizabeth STOKES https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-JY7 Elizabeth MASON https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-NVV Elizabeth MASON https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3T2-MJ3 Elizabeth FLINT https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XS7X-LFG Elizabeth FLINT https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-KRS Elizabeth TIPPER https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XSXQ-GBK Elizabeth GEORGE https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7V3-TL3 Elizabeth HULSON https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VZ-YM7 Elizabeth HILTON https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMZJ-CRJ Elizabeth ADAMS https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3BP-GSW Elizabeth ABBOTT https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VZ-BT9 Elizabeth ABBOTT https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3VG-NKK Elizabeth TITLEY https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-GG6 Elizabeth TRAFFORD https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-N1Y Elizabeth MAGNIAC https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-D14 Elizabeth HODRIEN https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3V6-JDX Elizabeth PIDGEON -- ...Staffordshire -- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7T8-BJ1 Elizabeth LEWIS https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M749-P68 Elizabeth ALLEN https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M749-ZHQ Elizabeth ALLEN https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VY-K68 Elizabeth BISSELL https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7D9-4ZL Elizabeth FRANCIS https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JQ-F99 Elizabeth KENNEDAY https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VL-VVQ Elizabeth RANDLEY https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-V5L Elizabeth PODD https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JF-TP3 Elizabeth HILL https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JJ-F2H Elizabeth HODDARD https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-8KH Elizabeth HILL https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7DC-F7H Elizabeth BOYES https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7V4-3BF Elizabeth BRADDOCK https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M717-RMN Elizabeth HARVEY https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7X9-LMH Elizabeth ACTON https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7C8-85K Elizabeth WRIGHT https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7C2-J9N Elizabeth WORD https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M71B-S8R Elizabeth BUCH https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7DP-QRY Elizabeth COCK And my ancestor may or may not be one of them. Her older brother was born in Onecote (Staffordshire), her next younger sister was also born in Onecote. I could not find any births for an Elizabeth in Onecote doing my search for her later on, so now I'll have to verify if she really was born in Onecote. Oh the fun; but I do enjoy looking for them. It's just discouraging not finding anything helpful yet. Anyway, thanks again for the encouragement. I'm going to see what contact information my dad has for his relatives on that side. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:03:15 +1000 > From: dmlfamilyhistory@gmail.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > Michael, Only by doing the research yourself, one person after another, > will you unexpectedly find gems of information that you would otherwise > miss, these leading to wonderful stories and to other branches of your > family. If you are only doing this to gather names and dates you will miss > out on so much. It has to become a labour of love, which in turn becomes > an absorbing hobby. Maybe like many of us, you won't be able to do very > much until your own children are grown up and you have retired, but in the > meantime, just do a little as and when you can, and I am sure it will be > well worth your while in the long run. I have now got about 4500 in my > tree, and have made some wonderful discoveries that I would never have > dreamt possible 20 years ago, and I have found many previously unknown > relations with whom I now communicate. They in turn can often give you > information which will help in your search....not only information, but > photographs too. Only today I received a photograph of myself and my > family taken 56 years ago that I had never seen before. I would never have > even known about it's existence but for my family history hobby. Happy > hunting, Diana > > On 1 March 2012 15:08, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Peter, > > They were both alive for the 1841 census; but Sarah died before the 1851 > > census. I have names of their children, and some of the spouses of the > > children. I don't mind doing the work; but they had a lot of kids, if on > > average each child had 4 kids, and each of those had 4 kids...etc... down > > to me then there would be tens of thousands of names to find. Obviously I > > know most of my close cousins and aunts and uncles and grandparents; but > > not much more than that. Looking up thousands of names individually is a > > daunting task, and as I have five young children of my own I don't have > > much time. I was hoping there might be some tool out there which might > > assist in things like this; but it doesn't sound like it. I'll see what I > > can find. > > > > Michael Wright > > 801-773-7680 (H) > > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > > > > From: pbo08596@bigpond.net.au > > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:31:38 +1100 > > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > You've got to do the research. There's eight or more generations between > > > 1793 and people living today. > > > > > > I presume George Moss and Sarah are still alive in 1841 census. That > > > might be the place to start. > > > > > > If they stayed in England, BDM records are available from 1837-1937 on > > > FreeBMD and right up to about 2007 via Ancestry. But it's a case of > > pulling > > > them all together. Once you have the basic names, dates and locations you > > > can look at supplementary data from other sources. > > > > > > Of course the other way is to look if anybody has submitted family trees > > > at places like Rootsweb or Ancestry. But I think you'd at least need > > George > > > & Sarah's marriage and children. > > > > > > And you must have some data. You don't just pick people from 1790's > > > without having a link. > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > ****************************** > > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jan Rockett wrote, Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:06:02 -0000 > I have added it to my Picasa album. > here is the link > https://.... "Sorry, that page was not found."

"Jan Rockett" wrote, Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:45:54 -0000 > I have a scan of an entry in the Duchy of > Lancaster Manor Court Rolls If you have access to it, I hope you scanned more than just the one entry ! > and would like help deciphering some of it. > Can I add it as an attachment on here or not? Not here, no. But you could try http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,425.0.html where you can upload directly.

Peter, They were both alive for the 1841 census; but Sarah died before the 1851 census. I have names of their children, and some of the spouses of the children. I don't mind doing the work; but they had a lot of kids, if on average each child had 4 kids, and each of those had 4 kids...etc... down to me then there would be tens of thousands of names to find. Obviously I know most of my close cousins and aunts and uncles and grandparents; but not much more than that. Looking up thousands of names individually is a daunting task, and as I have five young children of my own I don't have much time. I was hoping there might be some tool out there which might assist in things like this; but it doesn't sound like it. I'll see what I can find. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > From: pbo08596@bigpond.net.au > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:31:38 +1100 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > Michael, > > You've got to do the research. There's eight or more generations between > 1793 and people living today. > > I presume George Moss and Sarah are still alive in 1841 census. That > might be the place to start. > > If they stayed in England, BDM records are available from 1837-1937 on > FreeBMD and right up to about 2007 via Ancestry. But it's a case of pulling > them all together. Once you have the basic names, dates and locations you > can look at supplementary data from other sources. > > Of course the other way is to look if anybody has submitted family trees > at places like Rootsweb or Ancestry. But I think you'd at least need George > & Sarah's marriage and children. > > And you must have some data. You don't just pick people from 1790's > without having a link. > > Peter > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jan If you want to send it to me I will put it on my website for all to take a peek and maybe help. bill@harrisongenealogy.co.uk Regards Bill -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Rockett Sent: 29 February 2012 13:13 To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls I am hoping someone who is good at reading 1793 writing may be able to help so I can forward it on. Jan -----Original Message----- From: Lin Lamberg Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:59 PM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls You cannot add attachments to Rootsweb Lists Jan. HTH Linda. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message