Michael 1) There was no reason to remember ages in those days. Only when pensions started was there a need to know how old one was for legal reasons, and in the early days of civil registration many children were not registered even though it was in fact a requirement to do so. Even Baptisms can not always be trusted to give an accurate year of birth as many children were baptised later in life. My g grandfather was baptised when he was 8 years old, and his brother was baptised the same day when he was 6. Luckily the Vicar entered their birth date on the baptism entry. 2) Many people were illiterate and the census enumerator asked questions, wrote down the answers and then filled in the forms when he returned home that night, so mistakes were frequently made. The people would not have known what he was writing down if they could not read or write. 3) Beware of 'word of mouth' stories too! My own father always told me that I was born 'overlooking Wimbledon Common'. I found out when I eventually needed a birth certificate and looked up the given address of my birth that the only thing it overlooked was the Wimbledon Railway Station! I have a letter written by a gr Aunt in which she related the story about the tragic death of my ggg grandmother, but almost every fact was proved wrong when I purchased the death certificate, including the fact that she said it happened when my ggg grandmother was waiting for her husband to come home from work on New Year's Eve, and she was all dressed up in a crinoline for their family celebration. The event (she and her baby of 7 mths were burnt to death when her dress and the baby's crib caught alight following a log falling from the fire) happened in early December! On 2 March 2012 16:36, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Bob, > LOL, that's great. Yep, I try to disturb the dead I guess and I > definitely annoy the living (mainly my wife); but it's great fun (when it's > not frustrating). Sometimes I think the brains in my family skipped a > generation. > > Michael Wright > 801-773-7680 (H) > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > From: efr54321@gmail.com > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:07:22 -0500 > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > OK!! So it worked differently for me. Probably unusual - but it worked. > > > > A GGM left a letter documenting what she know of the oral history passed > to her. I followed it back as everyone has suggested and ...... nothing! > Oh, I was perfect to 1820 and then a big brick wall. So I. Started again > where she had ended and it turned out to be history from a century earlier. > With that clue, I worked up rather than down. Let me share that it much > harder going up than it is going down. Too many options! But it worked! > After a long search, I found that the oral history skipped a generation. I > may have gotten there in the usual way but ...... > > > > Try anything! After all, genealogy is the process of disturbing the dead > and irritating the living! > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Michael, my rellie came on a ship to Australia from Switzerland, name of ship was Daniel Rop....or it LOOKED like Rop with a p with a long tail.....later, YEARS later, after putting him in the Daniel Rop, I found out that double s was written as (we would say) like a p. SO, he came in the Daniel ROSS...aaaggghhh. Plenty of traps for the unwary. My rellies who were Cahill on leaving Ireland, ended up as Kyle here. What happened was that, I am sure, the gangplank ticker-offer said to my Bridget, most of them seemed to be called Bridget or Ellen or Catherine...aagghh again, 'And what is YOUR name my pretty'.....in a SCOTTISH accent....she with an IRISH accent replied, 'It is Bridget Cahill, karl, carl, cahl' whatever it sounded like. The paper she carried was wet and smudged, he just shoved her up the plank. With the roaring of the sea and her soft voice and noise in the background, he just wrote up what he thought she said, who cared, there were 100 others behind her to get on board, he didn't want to be held up with several 'What did you says' or 'How do you spell thats'. So he put down Kyle. For years I had the rest of the family but not Bridget.....ended up going through ALL the births in Qld with the name of the mother as Bridget...and saying to myself in an Irish, Scottish, Australian accent, Cahill, Cahill....ended up with Carl....none of them...never thought of the name with a K did I? Finally, finally, I remembered the other lot who were Cavanagh, and when here Kavanagh, the penny dropped and I looked under Karl...found a Kyle...matched them up...yes, yes, the Eureka moment...THAT is her....sighs of relief.....we ALL have those Eureka moments also....if we are lucky and not so dumb as I was many years ago...I am a tad more savvy now, spellings mean nothing to me...my maiden name was Freney....I even got Fernary....aagghh. Rob On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Yep, it was kind of fun looking at some actual documents. They have MOSS > spelled "MO" and then some crazy looking "S" which looks a lot like a > cursive "F", and then they have a normal "S" for the second one. Weird. > Also a lot of people have said that MOSS and MORSE were mixed up, or > swapped around, so that's something for me to consider as well. I just > don't want to because it makes things harder. :D > > Michael Wright > 801-773-7680 (H) > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:05:37 -0800 > > From: shawforsure@gmail.com > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > Michael, to further confuse you....George Moss could be Goss or Woss, my > > relation was Henry Nash, he ended up as Wash. Writing with a pen doing > > upward strokes is not easy and a W, M, and N look alike. Wackford became > > Mackford also. Wait a while. Maybe your lot came to Oz and, as they say, > > must have swum. They could be in jail, visiting rellies in Scotland or in > > hospital. Never say die, just go and do something else for a while...you > > get brain overload. Robyn > > > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Marilyn L. Arnold < > > marilyn.arnold1@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > > Michael: > > > > > > Yes ... despite the "quick success stories" people see at Who do You > Think > > > You Are or "The Locator" -- genealogy and finding people is NOT always > > > quick > > > or easy. Patience is required. It took me about 10 years to sort out > the > > > various CLARK families in one particular area of rural Vermont, and it > was > > > one SINGLE clue that led me to my ancestor -- a very brief obit in a > > > neighboring town's newspaper indicating that he was born in 1775, CT > > > (unlike > > > the rest of the Clarks of that town who came from MA). BINGO. > > > > > > And figuring out my DAVIES in Shrops and Staffs, who are all creatively > > > named Samuel, William, George, Thomas, or Harry (or Mary, Ann or > Eleanor), > > > has been quite the challenge, but I'm in touch with descendants who > were > > > siblings in the 1860-70s (who remained in England), for which I am > > > grateful! > > > (And, siblings from the 1840s in the US one generation earlier). Even > > > found > > > one distant cousin on this line where the common ancestors were born > in the > > > 1790s! Working collaboratively is exciting and fun for all -- you just > > > never know who may have the clues, the family Bible, the letters, old > > > pictures, and even the recipe for the "Humbugs (from the 1840s)." (At > > > least > > > one of my cousins is on this list -- hi Al!) (We found each other > about 12 > > > years ago online.) > > > > > > Don't give up hope. Follow the siblings, because you never know where > that > > > clue may be! Be sure you have a "strong foundation" before you go > building > > > the roof on that house, however .... (from some of the correspondence, > I'm > > > not sure you have that ...?) > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Marilyn > > > DC (sunny, windows open, mild!) > > > > > > DAVIES, HEIGHWAY > > > Married: CADDICK, HAMPTON, COATES, PURCELL, BEET, BUTLER, JONES > > > (1840-1940s); pre 1840 in Shrops. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Robyn Shaw" <shawforsure@gmail.com> > > > To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 2:17 PM > > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > > > > > > > Hi Michael, we ALL know that feeling of trawling through many records > > > > trying to find someone, and we end up finding that their birth was > not > > > > registered or their mum died and the neighbour took them in.....in > one > > > mad > > > > moment, trying to find my Spiers in Scotland, I printed all of them > out > > > > and > > > > went through them one by one...pages and pages it took...days and > days it > > > > took....eventually found them and not where I was told either. Do not > > > > give > > > > up. many more records are coming on line and sometimes you just have > to > > > > wait a bit for a new census or parish records to be available. All > the > > > > best. Robyn Shaw, Qld, Australia > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Thanks for giving me some hope. Last night was fairly depressing. I > > > >> spent about three hours trying to look for one of my ancestors' > husband > > > >> with no luck. George MOSS and Sarah had a daughter named Elizabeth, > and > > > >> we > > > >> know nothing of who she married, or if she died. > > > <snip> > > > > > > ****************************** > > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > ARCHIVED > > > MATERIALS. > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Robyn Freney-Shaw > > Manager/Co-Ordinator > > Spiritus Soup Kitchen > > Toowoomba. > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Robyn Freney-Shaw Manager/Co-Ordinator Spiritus Soup Kitchen Toowoomba.

Wow, Ruth, thank you very much for all of the great information. I guess having a paid subscription for some sites may be worth the cost. I just need to strike it rich and then I won't have to worry about it. Anyone have the winning lottery numbers? Really though, all of that is great information. I guess I can scrub all of those Elizabeths with different last names from my list. And I'll have to see about getting information about wills. That gives me an idea too. If my Sarah is actually DEAVILLE (or DEVILLE, or one of many other spellings), then I know who her father is, and it's possible that he died before her (though she died young), and so she may be included in his will. How can you tell if a will has been entered? Where would I search for a will for her father? Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) rahmuss@hotmail.com > Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 09:50:57 +0000 > From: historyscape@gmail.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Elizabeth MOSS of Onecote > > Michael has asked about the MOSS family of Onecote in a couple of other > messages. > > The MOSS family of Onecote are relatively easy to track in the census using > the indexes on Ancestry or Findmypast. It is pretty difficult to track > people down reliably just using the free search on Familysearch, with the > exception of the 1881 census where a full transcription is available on > that site. This is because, as other listers have pointed out, names, > birthplaces and ages can be inconsistent - because of illiteracy, changing > census dates (1841 was June, others were March or April), different family > members giving information to the enumerator etc. It is therefore > essential to check out the whole family grouping as that will give you > further clues about whether you have a match or not. > > Elizabeth MOSS appears with her family (her father, George, as head of > household until 1871, her brother John from 1881) in Onecote in every > census 1841-1891. She is aged 20 in 1841 (all ages over 15 were supposed > to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years), 32 in 1851 (born Elkstone as I > said in my response to Michael's email titled 'Onecote'), aged 40 in 1861 > (born Elkstone), aged 50 in 1871 (born Onecote), aged 62 in 1881 (born > Elkstone), and aged 69 in 1891 (born Elkstone). Despite the differences in > ages, this is clearly the same woman each time based on the family grouping > and address. She was probably the Elizabeth MOSS, aged 78, whose death was > registered in the Leek Registration District in Oct-Dec 1896 ( > www.freebmd.org.uk). > > She remained unmarried as did her brother John and sisters Ann and Sarah. > See https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-YR1 for the 1881 census. > > Their father, George Moss of Westbrook Head, Onecote, left a will which was > proved on 11 March 1874. A copy of the will might give some more > information about some of his direct descendants. This page gives you the > address to write to: > http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills > > The best source for tracking down living descendants in my experience is > www.genesreunited.co.uk, which currently lists three researchers interested > in George Moss. However, as you have to be subscribed to reply to > messages, I find that only about 20% of messages sent on that site get a > reply. > > Ruth > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michael has asked about the MOSS family of Onecote in a couple of other messages. The MOSS family of Onecote are relatively easy to track in the census using the indexes on Ancestry or Findmypast. It is pretty difficult to track people down reliably just using the free search on Familysearch, with the exception of the 1881 census where a full transcription is available on that site. This is because, as other listers have pointed out, names, birthplaces and ages can be inconsistent - because of illiteracy, changing census dates (1841 was June, others were March or April), different family members giving information to the enumerator etc. It is therefore essential to check out the whole family grouping as that will give you further clues about whether you have a match or not. Elizabeth MOSS appears with her family (her father, George, as head of household until 1871, her brother John from 1881) in Onecote in every census 1841-1891. She is aged 20 in 1841 (all ages over 15 were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years), 32 in 1851 (born Elkstone as I said in my response to Michael's email titled 'Onecote'), aged 40 in 1861 (born Elkstone), aged 50 in 1871 (born Onecote), aged 62 in 1881 (born Elkstone), and aged 69 in 1891 (born Elkstone). Despite the differences in ages, this is clearly the same woman each time based on the family grouping and address. She was probably the Elizabeth MOSS, aged 78, whose death was registered in the Leek Registration District in Oct-Dec 1896 ( www.freebmd.org.uk). She remained unmarried as did her brother John and sisters Ann and Sarah. See https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-YR1 for the 1881 census. Their father, George Moss of Westbrook Head, Onecote, left a will which was proved on 11 March 1874. A copy of the will might give some more information about some of his direct descendants. This page gives you the address to write to: http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills The best source for tracking down living descendants in my experience is www.genesreunited.co.uk, which currently lists three researchers interested in George Moss. However, as you have to be subscribed to reply to messages, I find that only about 20% of messages sent on that site get a reply. Ruth

Wow, what a horrible death that would be. I thought I remembered accurately a story I heard when I was maybe 10 about one of my ancestors being thrown off a boat coming across the ocean, into the waters to be fed to the sharks. Turns out it was actually just that one of my ancestors died coming over on the boat and they had to put his body in the waters. The sharks come into play because apparently us as children asked if there were sharks in the water. Yep, I even confuse myself sometimes. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 17:00:11 +1000 > From: dmlfamilyhistory@gmail.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > Michael > 1) There was no reason to remember ages in those days. Only when pensions > started was there a need to know how old one was for legal reasons, and in > the early days of civil registration many children were not registered even > though it was in fact a requirement to do so. Even Baptisms can not always > be trusted to give an accurate year of birth as many children were baptised > later in life. My g grandfather was baptised when he was 8 years old, and > his brother was baptised the same day when he was 6. Luckily the Vicar > entered their birth date on the baptism entry. > > 2) Many people were illiterate and the census enumerator asked questions, > wrote down the answers and then filled in the forms when he returned home > that night, so mistakes were frequently made. The people would not have > known what he was writing down if they could not read or write. > > 3) Beware of 'word of mouth' stories too! My own father always told me > that I was born > 'overlooking Wimbledon Common'. I found out when I eventually needed a > birth certificate and looked up the given address of my birth that the only > thing it overlooked was the Wimbledon Railway Station! > I have a letter written by a gr Aunt in which she related the story about > the tragic death of my ggg grandmother, but almost every fact was proved > wrong when I purchased the death certificate, including the fact that she > said it happened when my ggg grandmother was waiting for her husband to > come home from work on New Year's Eve, and she was all dressed up in a > crinoline for their family celebration. The event (she and her baby of 7 > mths were burnt to death when her dress and the baby's crib caught alight > following a log falling from the fire) happened in early December! > On 2 March 2012 16:36, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: >

Michael, following on from my message yesterday, I am beginning think as others obviously are, that you are trying to work forwards rather than backwards. You really must start with what you know...yourself and your parents, and work backwards, generation by generation from there. If you are now working on a branch of your family which you have researched correctly by going back in time, say a sibling of a gg grandparent etc., only then can you work forwards in time, but for your own ancestors, you MUST work backwards always! Also, as has been pointed out, sometimes it takes years to find a particular person! The main thing I learned was that they only make themselves shown to you when they are good and ready, then they will tap you on the shoulder and say "Come find me, I am now ready to be found!" lol I have just found a family whom I have been searching for in the 1841, 1851 and 1861 census for 15 years! I know I had their details right as I traced them back through the Parish Registers to 1770, and I found them in the 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901 census, but they seemed to have completely disappeared in the earlier three decades. The family always baptised every child with the middle name of Smith so, my gg grandmother was Eliza Smith Ashworth, her father George Smith Ashworth etc. etc. Just last week I found them by tracing a person who married into the family but who was widowed within two years of his marriage, there in the 1851 census all living together, but my family listed under the surname Smith, NOT Ashworth! Likewise, I then found them in 1841 and 1861, also enumerated under the names of Smith. Following that I came across a record in the Old Bailey where one of them was a witness in a case of theft on the Docks in London where he worked, and he swore that his name was John Smith Ashworth, but commonly known as John Smith! Why, for 3 decades they went under the name Smith, yet married and baptised all their children under the name Smith Ashworth I will probably never know, but it shows you should never give up searching! All this is far more exciting than if it was all there in front of our noses to just copy it. That's what family history is all about....the detective work and the thrill when you find something you have searched for for years and years and years! On 2 March 2012 05:52, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > The general rule is - start with yourself and work back. doing things the > other way is NOT a good idea, generally! > > Dawn > > -----Original Message----- > From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wright > Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012 3:04 AM > To: Staffordshire RootsWeb > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > Peter, > Thanks again for the info on this. I have tried finding descendants from > my > ancestors on down to our time, now I think I'll try it the other way > around. > The only one on that side who I know (only emailed twice, never seen or > spoke with them) lives far across the country from me, so getting some of > the documents may be tricky. I've emailed; but they had a death in their > family recently and haven't gotten back to me yet beyond telling me that. > I'll keep at it day by day. Thanks again. > > Michael Wright > 801-773-7680 (H) > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > From: pbo08596@bigpond.net.au > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:38:43 +1100 > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > Michael, > > > > As I said, you must have some data to get back to 1790's in the first > > place. > > > > You don't have to trace every branch line, but it does help to jot down > > siblings of direct lines as you find them in census records. > > > > You can then use them to see if they are in any submitted trees. > > > > Otherwise, list known BDM names, dates and locations your parents, > > grandparents, great grandparents etc on this list and see if anyone can > link > > up. > > > > Peter > > > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 6930 (20120301) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 6930 (20120301) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The general rule is - start with yourself and work back. doing things the other way is NOT a good idea, generally! Dawn -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wright Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012 3:04 AM To: Staffordshire RootsWeb Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants Peter, Thanks again for the info on this. I have tried finding descendants from my ancestors on down to our time, now I think I'll try it the other way around. The only one on that side who I know (only emailed twice, never seen or spoke with them) lives far across the country from me, so getting some of the documents may be tricky. I've emailed; but they had a death in their family recently and haven't gotten back to me yet beyond telling me that. I'll keep at it day by day. Thanks again. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > From: pbo08596@bigpond.net.au > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:38:43 +1100 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > Michael, > > As I said, you must have some data to get back to 1790's in the first > place. > > You don't have to trace every branch line, but it does help to jot down > siblings of direct lines as you find them in census records. > > You can then use them to see if they are in any submitted trees. > > Otherwise, list known BDM names, dates and locations your parents, > grandparents, great grandparents etc on this list and see if anyone can link > up. > > Peter > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6930 (20120301) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6930 (20120301) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

That's the way you have to do things, I am afraid. And when you can't get anything more, leave it for a bit - years, sometimes - and go back to it - you may well find a lot more in a rush! At least, that has been my experience. And lists can be wonderful helps for info, general as well as specific. Dawn (Melbourne Australia_ At least, many things are on line now - time was, you had to go to each place! -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wright Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012 12:46 AM To: Staffordshire RootsWeb Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants Diana, Thanks for giving me some hope. Last night was fairly depressing. I spent about three hours trying to look for one of my ancestors' husband with no luck. George MOSS and Sarah had a daughter named Elizabeth, and we know nothing of who she married, or if she died. We only know that she shows up in the 1841 census and then disappears. Haven't found any deaths that I could see. She could have crossed the country and married someone. I searched through 3,338 records last night and collected 38 individuals (birth place wasn't exact; but close enough to not discount), Elizabeth ___surname___, some of them are likely repeats, leaving about 30 left. -- Leek -- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74P-TFD Elizabeth STOKER https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ6R-8CG Elizabeth STOKES https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X9KQ-HRS Elizabeth STOKES https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-JY7 Elizabeth MASON https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-NVV Elizabeth MASON https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3T2-MJ3 Elizabeth FLINT https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XS7X-LFG Elizabeth FLINT https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-KRS Elizabeth TIPPER https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XSXQ-GBK Elizabeth GEORGE https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7V3-TL3 Elizabeth HULSON https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VZ-YM7 Elizabeth HILTON https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMZJ-CRJ Elizabeth ADAMS https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3BP-GSW Elizabeth ABBOTT https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VZ-BT9 Elizabeth ABBOTT https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3VG-NKK Elizabeth TITLEY https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-GG6 Elizabeth TRAFFORD https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-N1Y Elizabeth MAGNIAC https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-D14 Elizabeth HODRIEN https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3V6-JDX Elizabeth PIDGEON -- ...Staffordshire -- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7T8-BJ1 Elizabeth LEWIS https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M749-P68 Elizabeth ALLEN https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M749-ZHQ Elizabeth ALLEN https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VY-K68 Elizabeth BISSELL https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7D9-4ZL Elizabeth FRANCIS https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JQ-F99 Elizabeth KENNEDAY https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VL-VVQ Elizabeth RANDLEY https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-V5L Elizabeth PODD https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JF-TP3 Elizabeth HILL https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JJ-F2H Elizabeth HODDARD https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-8KH Elizabeth HILL https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7DC-F7H Elizabeth BOYES https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7V4-3BF Elizabeth BRADDOCK https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M717-RMN Elizabeth HARVEY https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7X9-LMH Elizabeth ACTON https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7C8-85K Elizabeth WRIGHT https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7C2-J9N Elizabeth WORD https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M71B-S8R Elizabeth BUCH https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7DP-QRY Elizabeth COCK And my ancestor may or may not be one of them. Her older brother was born in Onecote (Staffordshire), her next younger sister was also born in Onecote. I could not find any births for an Elizabeth in Onecote doing my search for her later on, so now I'll have to verify if she really was born in Onecote. Oh the fun; but I do enjoy looking for them. It's just discouraging not finding anything helpful yet. Anyway, thanks again for the encouragement. I'm going to see what contact information my dad has for his relatives on that side. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:03:15 +1000 > From: dmlfamilyhistory@gmail.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > Michael, Only by doing the research yourself, one person after another, > will you unexpectedly find gems of information that you would otherwise > miss, these leading to wonderful stories and to other branches of your > family. If you are only doing this to gather names and dates you will miss > out on so much. It has to become a labour of love, which in turn becomes > an absorbing hobby. Maybe like many of us, you won't be able to do very > much until your own children are grown up and you have retired, but in the > meantime, just do a little as and when you can, and I am sure it will be > well worth your while in the long run. I have now got about 4500 in my > tree, and have made some wonderful discoveries that I would never have > dreamt possible 20 years ago, and I have found many previously unknown > relations with whom I now communicate. They in turn can often give you > information which will help in your search....not only information, but > photographs too. Only today I received a photograph of myself and my > family taken 56 years ago that I had never seen before. I would never have > even known about it's existence but for my family history hobby. Happy > hunting, Diana > > On 1 March 2012 15:08, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Peter, > > They were both alive for the 1841 census; but Sarah died before the 1851 > > census. I have names of their children, and some of the spouses of the > > children. I don't mind doing the work; but they had a lot of kids, if on > > average each child had 4 kids, and each of those had 4 kids...etc... down > > to me then there would be tens of thousands of names to find. Obviously I > > know most of my close cousins and aunts and uncles and grandparents; but > > not much more than that. Looking up thousands of names individually is a > > daunting task, and as I have five young children of my own I don't have > > much time. I was hoping there might be some tool out there which might > > assist in things like this; but it doesn't sound like it. I'll see what I > > can find. > > > > Michael Wright > > 801-773-7680 (H) > > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > > > > From: pbo08596@bigpond.net.au > > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:31:38 +1100 > > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > You've got to do the research. There's eight or more generations between > > > 1793 and people living today. > > > > > > I presume George Moss and Sarah are still alive in 1841 census. That > > > might be the place to start. > > > > > > If they stayed in England, BDM records are available from 1837-1937 on > > > FreeBMD and right up to about 2007 via Ancestry. But it's a case of > > pulling > > > them all together. Once you have the basic names, dates and locations you > > > can look at supplementary data from other sources. > > > > > > Of course the other way is to look if anybody has submitted family trees > > > at places like Rootsweb or Ancestry. But I think you'd at least need > > George > > > & Sarah's marriage and children. > > > > > > And you must have some data. 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Michael don't be so rigid with dates of birth, our Ancestors didn't always know when they were born, coming from large families, and time not being an issue like it is today, their ages were often guess mates on the Census. HTH Linda.

Michael: Another thought -- I've found living rellies at genesreunited.com, which you can join at a minimal level for about $30 US. It's a UK based site. Just upload your tree to it and you can do searches by name and aprox date and/or place to see if other are researching that same name. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Wright" <rahmuss@hotmail.com> To: "Staffordshire RootsWeb" <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > Marilyn, > Thank you for your thoughts. That's exactly what I'm looking for, that > one clue which will lead me to finding some journals, or pictures, or > letters, and ultimately leading me to know better who my ancestors were. > Just knowing the figures, the dates, the data, isn't enough for me. I > want to know more about what they did day to day and what they > experienced. The quest is on. > > Michael Wright > 801-773-7680 (H) > 801-390-0960 (C) > > >> From: marilyn.arnold1@verizon.net >> To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:56:39 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants >> >> Michael: >> >> Yes ... despite the "quick success stories" people see at Who do You >> Think >> You Are or "The Locator" -- genealogy and finding people is NOT always >> quick >> or easy. Patience is required. It took me about 10 years to sort out the >> various CLARK families in one particular area of rural Vermont, and it >> was >> one SINGLE clue that led me to my ancestor -- a very brief obit in a >> neighboring town's newspaper indicating that he was born in 1775, CT >> (unlike >> the rest of the Clarks of that town who came from MA). BINGO. >> >> And figuring out my DAVIES in Shrops and Staffs, who are all creatively >> named Samuel, William, George, Thomas, or Harry (or Mary, Ann or >> Eleanor), >> has been quite the challenge, but I'm in touch with descendants who were >> siblings in the 1860-70s (who remained in England), for which I am >> grateful! >> (And, siblings from the 1840s in the US one generation earlier). Even >> found >> one distant cousin on this line where the common ancestors were born in >> the >> 1790s! Working collaboratively is exciting and fun for all -- you just >> never know who may have the clues, the family Bible, the letters, old >> pictures, and even the recipe for the "Humbugs (from the 1840s)." (At >> least >> one of my cousins is on this list -- hi Al!) (We found each other about >> 12 >> years ago online.) >> >> Don't give up hope. Follow the siblings, because you never know where >> that >> clue may be! Be sure you have a "strong foundation" before you go >> building >> the roof on that house, however .... (from some of the correspondence, >> I'm >> not sure you have that ...?) >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Marilyn >> DC (sunny, windows open, mild!) >> >> DAVIES, HEIGHWAY >> Married: CADDICK, HAMPTON, COATES, PURCELL, BEET, BUTLER, JONES >> (1840-1940s); pre 1840 in Shrops. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robyn Shaw" <shawforsure@gmail.com> >> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 2:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants >> >> >> > Hi Michael, we ALL know that feeling of trawling through many records >> > trying to find someone, and we end up finding that their birth was not >> > registered or their mum died and the neighbour took them in.....in one >> > mad >> > moment, trying to find my Spiers in Scotland, I printed all of them out >> > and >> > went through them one by one...pages and pages it took...days and days >> > it >> > took....eventually found them and not where I was told either. Do not >> > give >> > up. many more records are coming on line and sometimes you just have to >> > wait a bit for a new census or parish records to be available. All the >> > best. Robyn Shaw, Qld, Australia >> > >> > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Thanks for giving me some hope. Last night was fairly depressing. I >> >> spent about three hours trying to look for one of my ancestors' >> >> husband >> >> with no luck. George MOSS and Sarah had a daughter named Elizabeth, >> >> and >> >> we >> >> know nothing of who she married, or if she died. >> <snip> >> >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >> ARCHIVED MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

True. It's just that I was looking through 3,338 records with a birth year of 1821, if I opened that up to 1818 - 1822, then I'd likely have had five times that amount of records to go through. So I like to start small and spread out if needed. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > From: linlamberg@btinternet.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 05:55:19 +0000 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > Michael don't be so rigid with dates of birth, our Ancestors didn't always know when they were born, coming from large families, and time not being an issue like it is today, their ages were often guess mates on the Census. HTH Linda. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yep, it was kind of fun looking at some actual documents. They have MOSS spelled "MO" and then some crazy looking "S" which looks a lot like a cursive "F", and then they have a normal "S" for the second one. Weird. Also a lot of people have said that MOSS and MORSE were mixed up, or swapped around, so that's something for me to consider as well. I just don't want to because it makes things harder. :D Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:05:37 -0800 > From: shawforsure@gmail.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > Michael, to further confuse you....George Moss could be Goss or Woss, my > relation was Henry Nash, he ended up as Wash. Writing with a pen doing > upward strokes is not easy and a W, M, and N look alike. Wackford became > Mackford also. Wait a while. Maybe your lot came to Oz and, as they say, > must have swum. They could be in jail, visiting rellies in Scotland or in > hospital. Never say die, just go and do something else for a while...you > get brain overload. Robyn > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Marilyn L. Arnold < > marilyn.arnold1@verizon.net> wrote: > > > Michael: > > > > Yes ... despite the "quick success stories" people see at Who do You Think > > You Are or "The Locator" -- genealogy and finding people is NOT always > > quick > > or easy. Patience is required. It took me about 10 years to sort out the > > various CLARK families in one particular area of rural Vermont, and it was > > one SINGLE clue that led me to my ancestor -- a very brief obit in a > > neighboring town's newspaper indicating that he was born in 1775, CT > > (unlike > > the rest of the Clarks of that town who came from MA). BINGO. > > > > And figuring out my DAVIES in Shrops and Staffs, who are all creatively > > named Samuel, William, George, Thomas, or Harry (or Mary, Ann or Eleanor), > > has been quite the challenge, but I'm in touch with descendants who were > > siblings in the 1860-70s (who remained in England), for which I am > > grateful! > > (And, siblings from the 1840s in the US one generation earlier). Even > > found > > one distant cousin on this line where the common ancestors were born in the > > 1790s! Working collaboratively is exciting and fun for all -- you just > > never know who may have the clues, the family Bible, the letters, old > > pictures, and even the recipe for the "Humbugs (from the 1840s)." (At > > least > > one of my cousins is on this list -- hi Al!) (We found each other about 12 > > years ago online.) > > > > Don't give up hope. Follow the siblings, because you never know where that > > clue may be! Be sure you have a "strong foundation" before you go building > > the roof on that house, however .... (from some of the correspondence, I'm > > not sure you have that ...?) > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Marilyn > > DC (sunny, windows open, mild!) > > > > DAVIES, HEIGHWAY > > Married: CADDICK, HAMPTON, COATES, PURCELL, BEET, BUTLER, JONES > > (1840-1940s); pre 1840 in Shrops. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robyn Shaw" <shawforsure@gmail.com> > > To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 2:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > > > > Hi Michael, we ALL know that feeling of trawling through many records > > > trying to find someone, and we end up finding that their birth was not > > > registered or their mum died and the neighbour took them in.....in one > > mad > > > moment, trying to find my Spiers in Scotland, I printed all of them out > > > and > > > went through them one by one...pages and pages it took...days and days it > > > took....eventually found them and not where I was told either. Do not > > > give > > > up. many more records are coming on line and sometimes you just have to > > > wait a bit for a new census or parish records to be available. All the > > > best. Robyn Shaw, Qld, Australia > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Thanks for giving me some hope. Last night was fairly depressing. I > > >> spent about three hours trying to look for one of my ancestors' husband > > >> with no luck. George MOSS and Sarah had a daughter named Elizabeth, and > > >> we > > >> know nothing of who she married, or if she died. > > <snip> > > > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Robyn Freney-Shaw > Manager/Co-Ordinator > Spiritus Soup Kitchen > Toowoomba. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bob, LOL, that's great. Yep, I try to disturb the dead I guess and I definitely annoy the living (mainly my wife); but it's great fun (when it's not frustrating). Sometimes I think the brains in my family skipped a generation. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > From: efr54321@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:07:22 -0500 > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > OK!! So it worked differently for me. Probably unusual - but it worked. > > A GGM left a letter documenting what she know of the oral history passed to her. I followed it back as everyone has suggested and ...... nothing! Oh, I was perfect to 1820 and then a big brick wall. So I. Started again where she had ended and it turned out to be history from a century earlier. With that clue, I worked up rather than down. Let me share that it much harder going up than it is going down. Too many options! But it worked! After a long search, I found that the oral history skipped a generation. I may have gotten there in the usual way but ...... > > Try anything! After all, genealogy is the process of disturbing the dead and irritating the living! > > Bob > > > > On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Keem 'em coming Jan. That was fun. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > From: jan.rockett@ntlworld.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 22:35:17 +0000 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls > > I would like to thank everyone, on and off list for their help with the > document. I think we have it sussed now. > I have some more if anyone wants a challenge. > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Rockett > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 10:45 AM > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls > > I have a scan of an entry in the Duchy of Lancaster Manor Court Rolls and > would like help deciphering some of it. > Can I add it as an attachment on here or not? > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harrison Genealogy > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:28 PM > To: Birmingham Rootsweb ; Black Country Postings ; Pots Rootsweb ; Staffs > Rootsweb > Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Staffs BMD Update 9th Sept 2011 > > Hi All > > The Staffs BMD has been updated with the following records .... > > Births: > 2,000 for Hanley, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1881-1883) > 1,500 for Stoke, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1889-1891) > > regards > > Bill > > ======================================================================== > The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk > and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk > > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marilyn, Thank you for your thoughts. That's exactly what I'm looking for, that one clue which will lead me to finding some journals, or pictures, or letters, and ultimately leading me to know better who my ancestors were. Just knowing the figures, the dates, the data, isn't enough for me. I want to know more about what they did day to day and what they experienced. The quest is on. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > From: marilyn.arnold1@verizon.net > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:56:39 -0500 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > Michael: > > Yes ... despite the "quick success stories" people see at Who do You Think > You Are or "The Locator" -- genealogy and finding people is NOT always quick > or easy. Patience is required. It took me about 10 years to sort out the > various CLARK families in one particular area of rural Vermont, and it was > one SINGLE clue that led me to my ancestor -- a very brief obit in a > neighboring town's newspaper indicating that he was born in 1775, CT (unlike > the rest of the Clarks of that town who came from MA). BINGO. > > And figuring out my DAVIES in Shrops and Staffs, who are all creatively > named Samuel, William, George, Thomas, or Harry (or Mary, Ann or Eleanor), > has been quite the challenge, but I'm in touch with descendants who were > siblings in the 1860-70s (who remained in England), for which I am grateful! > (And, siblings from the 1840s in the US one generation earlier). Even found > one distant cousin on this line where the common ancestors were born in the > 1790s! Working collaboratively is exciting and fun for all -- you just > never know who may have the clues, the family Bible, the letters, old > pictures, and even the recipe for the "Humbugs (from the 1840s)." (At least > one of my cousins is on this list -- hi Al!) (We found each other about 12 > years ago online.) > > Don't give up hope. Follow the siblings, because you never know where that > clue may be! Be sure you have a "strong foundation" before you go building > the roof on that house, however .... (from some of the correspondence, I'm > not sure you have that ...?) > > Best wishes, > > Marilyn > DC (sunny, windows open, mild!) > > DAVIES, HEIGHWAY > Married: CADDICK, HAMPTON, COATES, PURCELL, BEET, BUTLER, JONES > (1840-1940s); pre 1840 in Shrops. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robyn Shaw" <shawforsure@gmail.com> > To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 2:17 PM > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > Hi Michael, we ALL know that feeling of trawling through many records > > trying to find someone, and we end up finding that their birth was not > > registered or their mum died and the neighbour took them in.....in one mad > > moment, trying to find my Spiers in Scotland, I printed all of them out > > and > > went through them one by one...pages and pages it took...days and days it > > took....eventually found them and not where I was told either. Do not > > give > > up. many more records are coming on line and sometimes you just have to > > wait a bit for a new census or parish records to be available. All the > > best. Robyn Shaw, Qld, Australia > > > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Thanks for giving me some hope. Last night was fairly depressing. I > >> spent about three hours trying to look for one of my ancestors' husband > >> with no luck. George MOSS and Sarah had a daughter named Elizabeth, and > >> we > >> know nothing of who she married, or if she died. > <snip> > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Very true indeed. I need to remember to find joy in the journey. Sometimes I just wish more ancestors would tap me on the shoulder. :D I actually have worked from me back to my ancestors; but came to a dead end fairly soon on one of my lines (Sarah ____ born in 1795), so that's the one I've tried to find for so long. Then I felt that some of her ancestors must have some keepsakes, or journals, or letters or something that would help me learn more, which is why I decided to go backwards. I guess that didn't work. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 07:16:27 +1000 > From: dmlfamilyhistory@gmail.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > Michael, following on from my message yesterday, I am beginning think as > others obviously are, that you are trying to work forwards rather than > backwards. You really must start with what you know...yourself and your > parents, and work backwards, generation by generation from there. If you > are now working on a branch of your family which you have researched > correctly by going back in time, say a sibling of a gg grandparent etc., > only then can you work forwards in time, but for your own ancestors, you > MUST work backwards always! > > Also, as has been pointed out, sometimes it takes years to find a > particular person! The main thing I learned was that they only make > themselves shown to you when they are good and ready, then they will tap > you on the shoulder and say "Come find me, I am now ready to be found!" > lol > > I have just found a family whom I have been searching for in the 1841, 1851 > and 1861 census for 15 years! I know I had their details right as I traced > them back through the Parish Registers to 1770, and I found them in the > 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901 census, but they seemed to have completely > disappeared in the earlier three decades. The family always baptised every > child with the middle name of Smith so, my gg grandmother was Eliza Smith > Ashworth, her father George Smith Ashworth etc. etc. Just last week I > found them by tracing a person who married into the family but who was > widowed within two years of his marriage, there in the 1851 census all > living together, but my family listed under the surname Smith, NOT > Ashworth! Likewise, I then found them in 1841 and 1861, also enumerated > under the names of Smith. Following that I came across a record in the Old > Bailey where one of them was a witness in a case of theft on the Docks in > London where he worked, and he swore that his name was John Smith Ashworth, > but commonly known as John Smith! Why, for 3 decades they went under the > name Smith, yet married and baptised all their children under the name > Smith Ashworth I will probably never know, but it shows you should never > give up searching! > > All this is far more exciting than if it was all there in front of our > noses to just copy it. That's what family history is all about....the > detective work and the thrill when you find something you have searched for > for years and years and years! > > > On 2 March 2012 05:52, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > The general rule is - start with yourself and work back. doing things the > > other way is NOT a good idea, generally! > > > > Dawn > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wright > > Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012 3:04 AM > > To: Staffordshire RootsWeb > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > > > Peter, > > Thanks again for the info on this. I have tried finding descendants from > > my > > ancestors on down to our time, now I think I'll try it the other way > > around. > > The only one on that side who I know (only emailed twice, never seen or > > spoke with them) lives far across the country from me, so getting some of > > the documents may be tricky. I've emailed; but they had a death in their > > family recently and haven't gotten back to me yet beyond telling me that. > > I'll keep at it day by day. Thanks again. > > > > Michael Wright > > 801-773-7680 (H) > > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > > > > From: pbo08596@bigpond.net.au > > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:38:43 +1100 > > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > As I said, you must have some data to get back to 1790's in the first > > > place. > > > > > > You don't have to trace every branch line, but it does help to jot down > > > siblings of direct lines as you find them in census records. > > > > > > You can then use them to see if they are in any submitted trees. > > > > > > Otherwise, list known BDM names, dates and locations your parents, > > > grandparents, great grandparents etc on this list and see if anyone can > > link > > > up. > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > ****************************** > > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply > > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature > > database 6930 (20120301) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature > > database 6930 (20120301) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dawn, I'd love to go to Staffordshire. I was there once actually, about 16 years ago, before I started researching my ancestors. We even visited a couple of relatives there; but I think they may all be dead now. Two and a half weeks ago I wrote a letter to one who I thought might be alive still; but didn't get any response. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > From: dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 06:50:18 +1100 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > That's the way you have to do things, I am afraid. And when you can't get > anything more, leave it for a bit - years, sometimes - and go back to it - > you may well find a lot more in a rush! At least, that has been my > experience. And lists can be wonderful helps for info, general as well as > specific. > > Dawn (Melbourne Australia_ > At least, many things are on line now - time was, you had to go to each > place! > > -----Original Message----- > From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wright > Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012 12:46 AM > To: Staffordshire RootsWeb > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > Diana, > Thanks for giving me some hope. Last night was fairly depressing. I spent > about three hours trying to look for one of my ancestors' husband with no > luck. George MOSS and Sarah had a daughter named Elizabeth, and we know > nothing of who she married, or if she died. We only know that she shows up > in the 1841 census and then disappears. Haven't found any deaths that I > could see. She could have crossed the country and married someone. I > searched through 3,338 records last night and collected 38 individuals > (birth place wasn't exact; but close enough to not discount), Elizabeth > ___surname___, some of them are likely repeats, leaving about 30 left. > > -- Leek -- > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74P-TFD Elizabeth STOKER > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ6R-8CG Elizabeth STOKES > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X9KQ-HRS Elizabeth STOKES > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-JY7 Elizabeth MASON > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-NVV Elizabeth MASON > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3T2-MJ3 Elizabeth FLINT > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XS7X-LFG Elizabeth FLINT > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-KRS Elizabeth TIPPER > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XSXQ-GBK Elizabeth GEORGE > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7V3-TL3 Elizabeth HULSON > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VZ-YM7 Elizabeth HILTON > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMZJ-CRJ Elizabeth ADAMS > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3BP-GSW Elizabeth ABBOTT > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VZ-BT9 Elizabeth ABBOTT > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3VG-NKK Elizabeth TITLEY > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-GG6 Elizabeth TRAFFORD > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-N1Y Elizabeth MAGNIAC > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-D14 Elizabeth HODRIEN > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3V6-JDX Elizabeth PIDGEON > > -- ...Staffordshire -- > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7T8-BJ1 Elizabeth LEWIS > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M749-P68 Elizabeth ALLEN > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M749-ZHQ Elizabeth ALLEN > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VY-K68 Elizabeth BISSELL > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7D9-4ZL Elizabeth FRANCIS > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JQ-F99 Elizabeth KENNEDAY > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VL-VVQ Elizabeth RANDLEY > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-V5L Elizabeth PODD > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JF-TP3 Elizabeth HILL > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JJ-F2H Elizabeth HODDARD > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-8KH Elizabeth HILL > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7DC-F7H Elizabeth BOYES > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7V4-3BF Elizabeth BRADDOCK > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M717-RMN Elizabeth HARVEY > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7X9-LMH Elizabeth ACTON > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7C8-85K Elizabeth WRIGHT > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7C2-J9N Elizabeth WORD > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M71B-S8R Elizabeth BUCH > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7DP-QRY Elizabeth COCK > > And my ancestor may or may not be one of them. Her older brother was born > in Onecote (Staffordshire), her next younger sister was also born in > Onecote. I could not find any births for an Elizabeth in Onecote doing my > search for her later on, so now I'll have to verify if she really was born > in Onecote. Oh the fun; but I do enjoy looking for them. It's just > discouraging not finding anything helpful yet. Anyway, thanks again for the > encouragement. I'm going to see what contact information my dad has for his > relatives on that side. > > Michael Wright > 801-773-7680 (H) > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:03:15 +1000 > > From: dmlfamilyhistory@gmail.com > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > Michael, Only by doing the research yourself, one person after another, > > will you unexpectedly find gems of information that you would otherwise > > miss, these leading to wonderful stories and to other branches of your > > family. If you are only doing this to gather names and dates you will miss > > out on so much. It has to become a labour of love, which in turn becomes > > an absorbing hobby. Maybe like many of us, you won't be able to do very > > much until your own children are grown up and you have retired, but in the > > meantime, just do a little as and when you can, and I am sure it will be > > well worth your while in the long run. I have now got about 4500 in my > > tree, and have made some wonderful discoveries that I would never have > > dreamt possible 20 years ago, and I have found many previously unknown > > relations with whom I now communicate. They in turn can often give you > > information which will help in your search....not only information, but > > photographs too. Only today I received a photograph of myself and my > > family taken 56 years ago that I had never seen before. I would never have > > even known about it's existence but for my family history hobby. Happy > > hunting, Diana > > > > On 1 March 2012 15:08, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Peter, > > > They were both alive for the 1841 census; but Sarah died before the 1851 > > > census. I have names of their children, and some of the spouses of the > > > children. I don't mind doing the work; but they had a lot of kids, if on > > > average each child had 4 kids, and each of those had 4 kids...etc... > down > > > to me then there would be tens of thousands of names to find. Obviously > I > > > know most of my close cousins and aunts and uncles and grandparents; but > > > not much more than that. Looking up thousands of names individually is a > > > daunting task, and as I have five young children of my own I don't have > > > much time. I was hoping there might be some tool out there which might > > > assist in things like this; but it doesn't sound like it. I'll see what > I > > > can find. > > > > > > Michael Wright > > > 801-773-7680 (H) > > > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > > > > > > > From: pbo08596@bigpond.net.au > > > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > > > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:31:38 +1100 > > > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > You've got to do the research. There's eight or more generations > between > > > > 1793 and people living today. > > > > > > > > I presume George Moss and Sarah are still alive in 1841 census. That > > > > might be the place to start. > > > > > > > > If they stayed in England, BDM records are available from 1837-1937 on > > > > FreeBMD and right up to about 2007 via Ancestry. But it's a case of > > > pulling > > > > them all together. Once you have the basic names, dates and locations > you > > > > can look at supplementary data from other sources. > > > > > > > > Of course the other way is to look if anybody has submitted family > trees > > > > at places like Rootsweb or Ancestry. But I think you'd at least need > > > George > > > > & Sarah's marriage and children. > > > > > > > > And you must have some data. You don't just pick people from 1790's > > > > without having a link. > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > ****************************** > > > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > ARCHIVED > > > MATERIALS. > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ****************************** > > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > ARCHIVED > > > MATERIALS. > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6930 (20120301) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6930 (20120301) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robyn, Thanks. It does take a lot of work. I enjoy doing it, I love solving problems, it just gets old after so many years of being unsuccessful at it; but I keep moving along, and I'm confident that I'll find the information I've been looking for this year. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 11:17:09 -0800 > From: shawforsure@gmail.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > Hi Michael, we ALL know that feeling of trawling through many records > trying to find someone, and we end up finding that their birth was not > registered or their mum died and the neighbour took them in.....in one mad > moment, trying to find my Spiers in Scotland, I printed all of them out and > went through them one by one...pages and pages it took...days and days it > took....eventually found them and not where I was told either. Do not give > up. many more records are coming on line and sometimes you just have to > wait a bit for a new census or parish records to be available. All the > best. Robyn Shaw, Qld, Australia > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Diana, > > Thanks for giving me some hope. Last night was fairly depressing. I > > spent about three hours trying to look for one of my ancestors' husband > > with no luck. George MOSS and Sarah had a daughter named Elizabeth, and we > > know nothing of who she married, or if she died. We only know that she > > shows up in the 1841 census and then disappears. Haven't found any deaths > > that I could see. She could have crossed the country and married someone. > > I searched through 3,338 records last night and collected 38 individuals > > (birth place wasn't exact; but close enough to not discount), Elizabeth > > ___surname___, some of them are likely repeats, leaving about 30 left. > > > > -- Leek -- > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74P-TFD Elizabeth STOKER > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ6R-8CG Elizabeth STOKES > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X9KQ-HRS Elizabeth STOKES > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-JY7 Elizabeth MASON > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-NVV Elizabeth MASON > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3T2-MJ3 Elizabeth FLINT > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XS7X-LFG Elizabeth FLINT > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-KRS Elizabeth TIPPER > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XSXQ-GBK Elizabeth GEORGE > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7V3-TL3 Elizabeth HULSON > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VZ-YM7 Elizabeth HILTON > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMZJ-CRJ Elizabeth ADAMS > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3BP-GSW Elizabeth ABBOTT > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VZ-BT9 Elizabeth ABBOTT > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3VG-NKK Elizabeth TITLEY > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-GG6 Elizabeth TRAFFORD > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-N1Y Elizabeth MAGNIAC > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-D14 Elizabeth HODRIEN > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3V6-JDX Elizabeth PIDGEON > > > > -- ...Staffordshire -- > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7T8-BJ1 Elizabeth LEWIS > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M749-P68 Elizabeth ALLEN > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M749-ZHQ Elizabeth ALLEN > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VY-K68 Elizabeth BISSELL > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7D9-4ZL Elizabeth FRANCIS > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JQ-F99 Elizabeth KENNEDAY > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VL-VVQ Elizabeth RANDLEY > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-V5L Elizabeth PODD > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JF-TP3 Elizabeth HILL > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JJ-F2H Elizabeth HODDARD > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-8KH Elizabeth HILL > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7DC-F7H Elizabeth BOYES > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7V4-3BF Elizabeth BRADDOCK > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M717-RMN Elizabeth HARVEY > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7X9-LMH Elizabeth ACTON > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7C8-85K Elizabeth WRIGHT > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7C2-J9N Elizabeth WORD > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M71B-S8R Elizabeth BUCH > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7DP-QRY Elizabeth COCK > > > > And my ancestor may or may not be one of them. Her older brother was born > > in Onecote (Staffordshire), her next younger sister was also born in > > Onecote. I could not find any births for an Elizabeth in Onecote doing my > > search for her later on, so now I'll have to verify if she really was born > > in Onecote. Oh the fun; but I do enjoy looking for them. It's just > > discouraging not finding anything helpful yet. Anyway, thanks again for > > the encouragement. I'm going to see what contact information my dad has > > for his relatives on that side. > > > > Michael Wright > > 801-773-7680 (H) > > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:03:15 +1000 > > > From: dmlfamilyhistory@gmail.com > > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > > > Michael, Only by doing the research yourself, one person after another, > > > will you unexpectedly find gems of information that you would otherwise > > > miss, these leading to wonderful stories and to other branches of your > > > family. If you are only doing this to gather names and dates you will > > miss > > > out on so much. It has to become a labour of love, which in turn becomes > > > an absorbing hobby. Maybe like many of us, you won't be able to do very > > > much until your own children are grown up and you have retired, but in > > the > > > meantime, just do a little as and when you can, and I am sure it will be > > > well worth your while in the long run. I have now got about 4500 in my > > > tree, and have made some wonderful discoveries that I would never have > > > dreamt possible 20 years ago, and I have found many previously unknown > > > relations with whom I now communicate. They in turn can often give you > > > information which will help in your search....not only information, but > > > photographs too. Only today I received a photograph of myself and my > > > family taken 56 years ago that I had never seen before. I would never > > have > > > even known about it's existence but for my family history hobby. Happy > > > hunting, Diana > > > > > > On 1 March 2012 15:08, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Peter, > > > > They were both alive for the 1841 census; but Sarah died before the > > 1851 > > > > census. I have names of their children, and some of the spouses of the > > > > children. I don't mind doing the work; but they had a lot of kids, if > > on > > > > average each child had 4 kids, and each of those had 4 kids...etc... > > down > > > > to me then there would be tens of thousands of names to find. > > Obviously I > > > > know most of my close cousins and aunts and uncles and grandparents; > > but > > > > not much more than that. Looking up thousands of names individually is > > a > > > > daunting task, and as I have five young children of my own I don't have > > > > much time. I was hoping there might be some tool out there which might > > > > assist in things like this; but it doesn't sound like it. I'll see > > what I > > > > can find. > > > > > > > > Michael Wright > > > > 801-773-7680 (H) > > > > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: pbo08596@bigpond.net.au > > > > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > > > > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:31:38 +1100 > > > > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > > > You've got to do the research. There's eight or more generations > > between > > > > > 1793 and people living today. > > > > > > > > > > I presume George Moss and Sarah are still alive in 1841 census. That > > > > > might be the place to start. > > > > > > > > > > If they stayed in England, BDM records are available from 1837-1937 > > on > > > > > FreeBMD and right up to about 2007 via Ancestry. But it's a case of > > > > pulling > > > > > them all together. Once you have the basic names, dates and > > locations you > > > > > can look at supplementary data from other sources. > > > > > > > > > > Of course the other way is to look if anybody has submitted family > > trees > > > > > at places like Rootsweb or Ancestry. But I think you'd at least need > > > > George > > > > > & Sarah's marriage and children. > > > > > > > > > > And you must have some data. You don't just pick people from 1790's > > > > > without having a link. > > > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > ****************************** > > > > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do > > not > > > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > > ARCHIVED > > > > MATERIALS. > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ****************************** > > > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > > ARCHIVED > > > > MATERIALS. > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ****************************** > > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Robyn Freney-Shaw > Manager/Co-Ordinator > Spiritus Soup Kitchen > Toowoomba. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yep, that's the one. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:56:18 +0000 > From: historyscape@gmail.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > Michael > > Is your Elizabeth Moss in 1841 the one living with George (45), Thomas > (20), John (15), Ann (15), Phoebe (13), Joseph (11) and Sarah (9) - all in > Onecote? > > Ruth > > On 1 March 2012 16:04, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Peter, > > Thanks again for the info on this. I have tried finding descendants from > > my ancestors on down to our time, now I think I'll try it the other way > > around. The only one on that side who I know (only emailed twice, never > > seen or spoke with them) lives far across the country from me, so getting > > some of the documents may be tricky. I've emailed; but they had a death in > > their family recently and haven't gotten back to me yet beyond telling me > > that. I'll keep at it day by day. Thanks again. > > > > Michael Wright > > 801-773-7680 (H) > > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > > > > From: pbo08596@bigpond.net.au > > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:38:43 +1100 > > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > As I said, you must have some data to get back to 1790's in the first > > > place. > > > > > > You don't have to trace every branch line, but it does help to jot down > > > siblings of direct lines as you find them in census records. > > > > > > You can then use them to see if they are in any submitted trees. > > > > > > Otherwise, list known BDM names, dates and locations your parents, > > > grandparents, great grandparents etc on this list and see if anyone can > > link > > > up. > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > ****************************** > > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would like to thank everyone, on and off list for their help with the document. I think we have it sussed now. I have some more if anyone wants a challenge. Jan -----Original Message----- From: Jan Rockett Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 10:45 AM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls I have a scan of an entry in the Duchy of Lancaster Manor Court Rolls and would like help deciphering some of it. Can I add it as an attachment on here or not? Jan -----Original Message----- From: Harrison Genealogy Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:28 PM To: Birmingham Rootsweb ; Black Country Postings ; Pots Rootsweb ; Staffs Rootsweb Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Staffs BMD Update 9th Sept 2011 Hi All The Staffs BMD has been updated with the following records .... Births: 2,000 for Hanley, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1881-1883) 1,500 for Stoke, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1889-1891) regards Bill ======================================================================== The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message