> I don't think that there was much need to differentiate between coal and > other miners in that area as there wasn't much (if any) other mining > unlike in, for example County Durham, where there was also lead mining. They were also mining limestone and iron ore, which with the local coal were the main materials to start iron production in the Iron Bridge area. Coal mining went back to the Roman times, due to the seams at or just below ground level. Brian

Hi Marilyn, From the 1851 census onwards, my ancestors that I have been able to identify are recorded as "Miner" or "Miner (coal)" in the Willenhall area. I don't think that there was much need to differentiate between coal and other miners in that area as there wasn't much (if any) other mining unlike in, for example County Durham, where there was also lead mining. Cheers Steve On 03/03/2012 14:52, Marilyn L. Arnold wrote: > Really .... I had no idea! Wow. That's fascinating. I do recall stories > being passed down about working in the dark, damp coal mines with water > dripping down. It sounded wretched. I'm just not sure who exactly were the > coal miners, since they didn't appear as such in the census records, but > think my GG GF was at one time, as a young man. No wonder he wanted to come > to "America" and become a minister -- a far easier life! > > You are saying 17th and 18th centuries -- ie 1600s, 1700s. So coal was > discovered there as early as the 1600s? > Marilyn >

Hi Marilyn, someone on here will know more about the History of Coal Mining than I do, but I believe Coal was being Mined in the BC as far back as the 1500's. But it was the Industrial Revolution that made the Black Country the work shop of the world from the 1700's onwards, which has sadly declined in the last 50 years. The men working under ground, I was referring to the 1700's and 1800's. Best Wishes from Linda.

Marilyn, one interesting fact I forgot to mention regarding the Black Country was back in the 17th and 18th Centuries, there were more people working under ground than there were above ground. Makes you think! Linda.

Thanks, Linda. So, that would mesh with the family stories about my GG GF working at some point in the coal mines. At one point he was kicked in the face by a horse, and always kept a mustache to hide the scar. Perhaps horse-drawn carts to haul the coal out of the mines or some other type of incident? Who knows. Details never known and anyone that would have had them are long gone. (He died before I was born.) I do see him (and brothers, father) in the census in the iron industry, and understand that he (and father)were lay Methodist ministers. I do know my ancestors were very much influenced by the Industrial Rev. in the BC area, as it seemed that the DAVIES moved closer each generation towards this area, and were at Ironbridge by 1810. First known marriage was 1750, but with a name like DAVIES and generation after generation of Samuels (or Wm, Thomas or George or Edward; Mary, Ann or Eleanor or Elizabeth), that's likely as far as I'll get them back. But that's ok. I have a far broader sense of the folks from 1800 on than I did when I started and that gives me peace. Best to all, Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lin Lamberg" <linlamberg@btinternet.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] 1881 -- The Iron Works, Moxley/Wednesfield > Hi Marilyn, someone on here will know more about the History of Coal > Mining than I do, but I believe Coal was being Mined in the BC as far back > as the 1500's. But it was the Industrial Revolution that made the Black > Country the work shop of the world from the 1700's onwards, which has > sadly declined in the last 50 years. The men working under ground, I was > referring to the 1700's and 1800's. Best Wishes from Linda.

To find out more about researching wills in England have a look at the two guides on the subject listed on this page: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person%5Cdefault.htm Although it's certainly possible to carry out genealogy research without forking out much money, it's not very practical if you're time-poor as well as cash-poor. Online genealogical resources can cost a substantial amount to provide. Alternatively, they depend upon an extraordinarily generous volunteer base who not only have transcription skills, but can also manage volunteers, develop standards, computer programs and web-based services, and fund the infrastructure required for running a popular website. They have transformed the pursuit of family history knowledge from when I first started on this addictive hobby, when everything was in paper or on microfilm. It's still possible to use paper and microfilm, but expect to take an hour or two to find someone in the census rather than a minute. On 2 March 2012 22:31, Marilyn L. Arnold <marilyn.arnold1@verizon.net>wrote: > Michael: > > Ruth just did a lot of wonderful research for you, so it is doable and the > information is out there .... > > She's suggested a number of avenues to try -- it's not about hitting the > lottery. All but one of the sites she proposed are FREE. Basic membership > to genesreunited, I recall it was just abt $30 US/year, and well worth it. > You can use Ancestry at your local library, so .... it's not a huge > investment. W/Genes Reunited, I reconnected w/some 3rd cousins I met in > Dundee (Scotland) 15 years ago, which to me was worth the $30 alone. I > also > found two other researchers on this line and was able to reconnect with > another 3rd cousin in Australia. And yes, a % of message go unanswered, > but > for me it was perhaps 30%, so I had better luck, personally, but that's the > luck of the draw. > > Marilyn > DC > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Wright" <rahmuss@hotmail.com> > To: "Staffordshire RootsWeb" <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Elizabeth MOSS of Onecote > > > > > > Wow, Ruth, thank you very much for all of the great information. I guess > > having a paid subscription for some sites may be worth the cost. I just > > need to strike it rich and then I won't have to worry about it. Anyone > > have the winning lottery numbers? > > > > Really though, all of that is great information. I guess I can scrub all > > of those Elizabeths with different last names from my list. And I'll > have > > to see about getting information about wills. That gives me an idea too. > > If my Sarah is actually DEAVILLE (or DEVILLE, or one of many other > > spellings), then I know who her father is, and it's possible that he died > > before her (though she died young), and so she may be included in his > > will. How can you tell if a will has been entered? Where would I search > > for a will for her father? > > > > Michael Wright > > 801-773-7680 (H) > > 801-390-0960 (C) > > rahmuss@hotmail.com > > > > > > > >> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 09:50:57 +0000 > >> From: historyscape@gmail.com > >> To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Elizabeth MOSS of Onecote > >> > >> Michael has asked about the MOSS family of Onecote in a couple of other > >> messages. > >> > >> The MOSS family of Onecote are relatively easy to track in the census > >> using > >> the indexes on Ancestry or Findmypast. It is pretty difficult to track > >> people down reliably just using the free search on Familysearch, with > the > >> exception of the 1881 census where a full transcription is available on > >> that site. This is because, as other listers have pointed out, names, > >> birthplaces and ages can be inconsistent - because of illiteracy, > >> changing > >> census dates (1841 was June, others were March or April), different > >> family > >> members giving information to the enumerator etc. It is therefore > >> essential to check out the whole family grouping as that will give you > >> further clues about whether you have a match or not. > >> > >> Elizabeth MOSS appears with her family (her father, George, as head of > >> household until 1871, her brother John from 1881) in Onecote in every > >> census 1841-1891. She is aged 20 in 1841 (all ages over 15 were supposed > >> to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years), 32 in 1851 (born Elkstone as > >> I > >> said in my response to Michael's email titled 'Onecote'), aged 40 in > 1861 > >> (born Elkstone), aged 50 in 1871 (born Onecote), aged 62 in 1881 (born > >> Elkstone), and aged 69 in 1891 (born Elkstone). Despite the differences > >> in > >> ages, this is clearly the same woman each time based on the family > >> grouping > >> and address. She was probably the Elizabeth MOSS, aged 78, whose death > >> was > >> registered in the Leek Registration District in Oct-Dec 1896 ( > >> www.freebmd.org.uk). > >> > >> She remained unmarried as did her brother John and sisters Ann and > Sarah. > >> See https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-YR1 for the 1881 census. > >> > >> Their father, George Moss of Westbrook Head, Onecote, left a will which > >> was > >> proved on 11 March 1874. A copy of the will might give some more > >> information about some of his direct descendants. This page gives you > the > >> address to write to: > >> http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills > >> > >> The best source for tracking down living descendants in my experience is > >> www.genesreunited.co.uk, which currently lists three researchers > >> interested > >> in George Moss. However, as you have to be subscribed to reply to > >> messages, I find that only about 20% of messages sent on that site get a > >> reply. > >> > >> Ruth > >> ****************************** > >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > >> ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > >> ------------------------------- > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

She's probably the one whose death is registered in Kings Norton in the March quarter of 1906 aged 70. Her residence in 1901 was in Smethwick, not Wednesbury, and Smethwick was in the Kings Norton registration district. On 3 March 2012 13:33, <r.e.pearse@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > looking for death of Fanny Harrison > Born 1834 in Wednesbury Staffordshire to Donald & Mary Smith > Married to Hannan Harrison > She is in 1901 Census with her son Frederick living with her in Wednesbury > > Elizabeth in Ont Canada > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

looking for death of Fanny Harrison Born 1834 in Wednesbury Staffordshire to Donald & Mary Smith Married to Hannan Harrison She is in 1901 Census with her son Frederick living with her in Wednesbury Elizabeth in Ont Canada

There is a burial on The National Burial Index of an Emma HOOD at Newchapel, Staffs on 27 January 1829, aged 28 - any good? Janet I think Emma (Reeves) Hood must have died between 1827 when her last child was born and before September 04, 1830 when he married again.

Really .... I had no idea! Wow. That's fascinating. I do recall stories being passed down about working in the dark, damp coal mines with water dripping down. It sounded wretched. I'm just not sure who exactly were the coal miners, since they didn't appear as such in the census records, but think my GG GF was at one time, as a young man. No wonder he wanted to come to "America" and become a minister -- a far easier life! You are saying 17th and 18th centuries -- ie 1600s, 1700s. So coal was discovered there as early as the 1600s? Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lin Lamberg" <linlamberg@btinternet.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] 1881 -- The Iron Works, Moxley/Wednesfield > Marilyn, one interesting fact I forgot to mention regarding the Black > Country was back in the 17th and 18th Centuries, there were more people > working under ground than there were above ground. Makes you think! > > Linda. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to Peter, Lin, Ann, Ruth, Brian, and Mick and anyone I may have forgotten for help in answering this question about iron works in this area! It sounds like it must have been a very industrialized area, and actually quite bleak. Life span with all the dust, smoke, soot, plus iron filings must have been reduced to say nothing of the crowded living conditions w/shared outdoor facilities and no running water. Wow. Does give me a far better sense of how they lived, however sobering. Time must have been quite tough. Thanks to all for helping me understand my DAVIES and HEIGHWAY families of Staff/Shrops. Marilyn Arnold DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian" <brian@kddpowercentre.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] 1881 -- The Iron Works, Moxley/Wednesfield > Hi > > Regarding Black Country, back in the 1960's I went to a talk by Wesley > Perrins at Walsall tech,. He stated the name related to a large coal seam > that came to the surface around Gornal, Pensnett, up to Moxley / > Darlaston > area, this resulted in all the area being a black colour. It was the coal, > with iron ore and limestone all in the same area that started the > industrial > revolution in this area, and the name became linked to the new industry. > > When I was a lad you could find coal on the surface on Bentley common. > There > was a chap I worked with bought a new house that way on, when digging the > back garden he found the coal seam, and for years his back garden > resembled > a open cast coal mine. > > Being from Walsall I'm not true Black Country, but did my apprenticeship > at > Rubery Owen Darlaston, at that one factory we employed over 5,000 people > in > engineering, next door was Garringtons who had heavy drop hammers for > forgings, next was Richardson's ? nuts and bolts, then Bradley any Fosters > blast furnaces for steel making, Wilkins and Mitchells made large presses, > Wellman Smith and Owen overhead cranes, there where two more foundries, > another forging firm, plus 2 or 3 I've forgotten, all with in a half mile > radius, employing around 20,000 people.. Should add all those firms have > gone, and so has most of the Black Country that was like for mile after > mile, very hard to-day to get a feel for what it was. > > Brian > > NICHOLLS, MASON Walsall. > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't think so. It's such a common name (in the Heighway line). He married Sarah (Thomas??), but Susan/Sarah? I think this is them in 1861, as the names match children in other census records, although I don't know who E (female) is/was: 1861 Census - 54 Cosley Street, Bilston, Staffordshire [1] In 1861, our Thomas (45) and Sarah (45) "Highway" were living at 54 Cosley Street in Bilston, Borough of Wolverhampton, Ecclesiastical Parish of St. Lukes. With them are children Mary A. (21), Thomas (9), E. (daughter, 7), Abraham (2), and Elijah (4 mo.). Thomas was a contractor for house work, and both Thomas and daughter E. were in school. There is no occupation given for either Sarah or eldest daughter Mary A. This record indicates that Thomas was b. Coalport; and wife Sarah and daughter Mary A. in Broseley, Shropshire, while the younger children Thomas, E., Abraham, and Elijah were all born in Bilston, Staffs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [1] 1861 Census - England, Staffordshire, Registration District of Woverhampton, Parish and Sub-Registration District of Bilston, St. Luke's Parish, ED-18, Piece 2007, Folio 73, p. 40. Ancestry Reference: Class: RG9; Piece: 2007; Folio: 73; Page: 40; GSU roll: 542902. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lin Lamberg" <linlamberg@btinternet.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Darkhorse Chapel, Coseley -- HEIGHWAY burial, 1899 > Is this your Thomas Marilyn? > > 1861 Southalls Lane Parish of St James Dudley:- > > THOMAS HEIGHWAY Head Married 28yrs SUSAN HEIGHWAY > Wife Married 30yrs > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A belated thank you to the list -- esp. Ruth Selman, Michael Wright, and Michael Bryan -- for answering my question about the location of this street in Moxeley. (I apologize for the delay. Developed an eye infection and had difficulty w/vision until the Rx could get called in and start to do it's thing. What a relief!) Very helpful! Thanks Ruth for suggesting that 11 year old Isobella may have been a visitor (this was Easter, I understand), and that did make a little more sense than for her to be a vintner! Special thanks to Michael Bryan for going out of his way to mark up a map for me, and for the very detailed suggestions (below). (But I didn't get the attachment, unfortunately -- the list doesn't allow attachments, but you can send it to me at marilyn.arnold1@verizon.net in the cc above. And, the links are great, (Michael Bryan) -- I still have to fully explore them. I know my DAVIES lived a difficult life as there are family stories of one of the children working in a mill at the age of 8, standing on a stool all day. And another being in cold, wet coal mines. Times had to be tough, and when I hear your description of the outside, shared toilet and the shared well. Wonder just how far apart those could have been. Yikes. One died of small pox at just 7. Thanks again to all at this list for helping me understand the times and places of my Staffs/Shrops ancestors. Marilyn Arnold DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "MICHAEL BRYAN" <probasis@btinternet.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Where is: 160 Catherines Cross Foundry Street -- 1871/ and an 11-year old vintner??? Marilyn Attached is a modern map of the area on which I've marked some details from the 1901 Ordnance Survey map. You'll see Foundry Street marked in red. It doesn't exist anymore but it's neighbour Park Street still does, although totally redeveloped. The area, like most of it's neighbouring towns, had the older properties demolished in the "slum clearances" of the 1950's and 60's and has been extensively developed and re-developed since then. Most of the roads in purple are relatively new, as is anything labelled "Black Country Route." Catherine's Cross ran across the top of Foundry Street and it became Wolverhampton Street further on. At some stage it must have been renamed Wolverhampton Street throughout. I've marked the direction of local towns - Moxley is less than 1 mile away, Bilston 2 miles and in the other direction Wednesbury is about 1 mile away. I've also added the major iron works but the area is full of such industry of all shapes and sizes. The 1901 map shows Foundry Street with typical small terraced housing - two rooms upstairs, two down; shared toilet in the yard: shared water or well also outside in the yard - but there are a couple of larger plots which could be industrial. However, it may just be the name of the street rather than having a foundry in it. So your ancestor may have worked in the same street but equally at any of the places around there - a couple of miles walk to work and then back was not uncommon. This link http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/articles/Darlaston/IronAndSteel.htm gives useful info on Iron and Steel in the area. The area was heavily industrialised and life was hard - even up to the 1930's. The area remained very industrial up to the mid-1970's but declined rapidly after that. New maps of the area can be found at http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=397500&y=297500&z=120&sv=darlaston&st=3&tl=Map+of+Darlaston,+Walsall+[City/Town/Village]&searchp=ids.srf&mapp=map.srf I got my 1901 (and earlier maps) from http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk/ but you might find some images on line at other sites. It was not uncommon for families to use part of the house as a shop (greengrocer?) or to start a pub in their house and sell beer brewed in the yard in the "Brewhouse." You can see examples of pub types in the pictures mentioned above. The pub side, often run by the wife, providing much needed additional income. The proprietors would be descibed as "victualers" or "vintners" which can sound quite upmarket to us for what was really a front room pub. Sometimes these expand to become fully fledged pubs and Foundry Street did have one called The Lamp Tavern http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/articles/Darlaston/Pubs.htm As for Isabella age 11 then as the 1870 Education Act had only just come in (requiring local bodies to provide eduction from 5 to 13) she may well have left school already. She could be helping out but I think it unlikely they'd describe her as a "vintner." Is it possible the description is "visitor" rather than "vintner"? Have a look at this link http://www.aclickintime.co.uk/search.php and select Darlaston for a selection of pictures. This site provides useful info on UK towns and villages http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/Darlaston/index.html Hope this helps and good luck with the research. Regards Mike Bryan ________________________________ From: Marilyn L. Arnold <marilyn.arnold1@verizon.net> To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 26 February 2012, 4:04 Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Where is: 160 Catherines Cross Foundry Street -- 1871/ and an 11-year old vintner??? Can anyone help me with the location of this street address in the 1817 Census? This is my family in the Census, and Samuel was a "furnaceman" -- perhaps at the foundary? What was the foundary on Catherines Cross Foundry Street? Were there other foundaries? Where else might he have worked? Alternatively, What would an 11 year old girl, Isabella Heighway been doing as a vintner????? Thanks, in advance for any thoughts on my DAVIES/HEIGHWAY family. Marilyn DC 1871 -- Samuel and Mary living at #160 Catherines Cross Foundry Street, Moxley [1] In 1871, Samuel (31) and Mary (30) are living in Moxley, Darlaston, So. Staffs, and are listed as "Davis." With them are children George (6), William T. (4), Sarah A. (2) and Samuel J. (11 months). Also in this household are Isabella "Highway" (11), Ann Rushton (54) and Fred Dolman (54). Samuel and Mary were both listed as born in Madeley, Shropshire. All four children were born in Staffordshire: George, William, and Samuel in Moxeley, Darlaston; Sarah in Bilston. Samuel was working as a furnaceman, and Mary as a green grocer. George and William were in school. Isabella Heighway, listed as a relative, was Mary's younger sister, and was born in Bradley, Staffordshire. Her occupation was vintner, which was the occupation of Mary and Isabella's brother John James Heighway, who was a "victuller." Ann Rushton was a visitor, born Manchester, Staffordshire, and was widowed. No occupation was given. (Her relationship to the family, if any, is not known.) Household #161 only listed Fred Dolman, a lodger, and a widower. Fred was a coal miner, and was born in Bilston, Staffordshire. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [1] 1871 Census - England, Staffordshire, Registration District, Civil Parish and Town of Darlaston, Borough of Wednesday, Ecclesiastical Parish of All Saints Moxley, ED-2, p. 29, also stamped p. 41. Ancestry: Class: RG10; Piece: 2954; Folio: 41; Page: 29; GSU roll: 836424. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Michael I think the National Archives have them - or at least, some of them. Wills in England were proved at a couple of different places over the years - one was Canterbury, it being a church matter then. The other at that time was... York???? And then there has been some talk of other smaller places for things like manorial wills.. have a look, google, dig about, look in indexes and see. You may have to pay a bit to get the full thing but it would be reasonably nominal - a few dollars/ pounds only is my experience - and it may well depend on the number of pages, too. I got my grandfather's (Royal, British) naval record - it was two pages as if different people - it was £6 per record from memory. I asked for clarification on some fuzzy writing. I got the details, AND a refund - they realized it was two halves of the same record, and refunded one lot of money unasked! I was not bothered, it was so little compared to air fares! There is an awful lot on line these days - well worth googling things you want and see what comes up. Dawn (Melbourne Australia) -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wright Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2012 4:03 AM To: Staffordshire RootsWeb Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Elizabeth MOSS of Onecote Wow, Ruth, thank you very much for all of the great information. I guess having a paid subscription for some sites may be worth the cost. I just need to strike it rich and then I won't have to worry about it. Anyone have the winning lottery numbers? Really though, all of that is great information. I guess I can scrub all of those Elizabeths with different last names from my list. And I'll have to see about getting information about wills. That gives me an idea too. If my Sarah is actually DEAVILLE (or DEVILLE, or one of many other spellings), then I know who her father is, and it's possible that he died before her (though she died young), and so she may be included in his will. How can you tell if a will has been entered? Where would I search for a will for her father? Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) rahmuss@hotmail.com > Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 09:50:57 +0000 > From: historyscape@gmail.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Elizabeth MOSS of Onecote > > Michael has asked about the MOSS family of Onecote in a couple of other > messages. > > The MOSS family of Onecote are relatively easy to track in the census using > the indexes on Ancestry or Findmypast. It is pretty difficult to track > people down reliably just using the free search on Familysearch, with the > exception of the 1881 census where a full transcription is available on > that site. This is because, as other listers have pointed out, names, > birthplaces and ages can be inconsistent - because of illiteracy, changing > census dates (1841 was June, others were March or April), different family > members giving information to the enumerator etc. It is therefore > essential to check out the whole family grouping as that will give you > further clues about whether you have a match or not. > > Elizabeth MOSS appears with her family (her father, George, as head of > household until 1871, her brother John from 1881) in Onecote in every > census 1841-1891. She is aged 20 in 1841 (all ages over 15 were supposed > to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years), 32 in 1851 (born Elkstone as I > said in my response to Michael's email titled 'Onecote'), aged 40 in 1861 > (born Elkstone), aged 50 in 1871 (born Onecote), aged 62 in 1881 (born > Elkstone), and aged 69 in 1891 (born Elkstone). Despite the differences in > ages, this is clearly the same woman each time based on the family grouping > and address. She was probably the Elizabeth MOSS, aged 78, whose death was > registered in the Leek Registration District in Oct-Dec 1896 ( > www.freebmd.org.uk). > > She remained unmarried as did her brother John and sisters Ann and Sarah. > See https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-YR1 for the 1881 census. > > Their father, George Moss of Westbrook Head, Onecote, left a will which was > proved on 11 March 1874. A copy of the will might give some more > information about some of his direct descendants. This page gives you the > address to write to: > http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills > > The best source for tracking down living descendants in my experience is > www.genesreunited.co.uk, which currently lists three researchers interested > in George Moss. However, as you have to be subscribed to reply to > messages, I find that only about 20% of messages sent on that site get a > reply. > > Ruth > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6933 (20120302) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6933 (20120302) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

With grateful thanks to all who helped and gave ideas. This is the link http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,584777.20.html and this is the transcript if the link doesnt work, with line numbers to identify individual lines. 1 To this Court comes George Simpson 2 John Simpson Ann Simpson Daniel 3 Rhodes & Sarah his Wife John Booth 4 (by Frederick Lander his Att[orne]y by ... of Att[orne]y to him directed & duly proved) 5 Martha his Wife & John Colelough & Phebe his 6 Wife Son & Dau[ghte]rs of George Simpson 7 late of Hanley within this Manor Bricklayer 8 dec[eas]ed & pray to be admitted ten[an]ts to 9 All & singular the heredit[amen]ts & prem[is]es 10 devised to them by the last will & testm[en]t 11 of Daniel Simpson their late uncle 12 dec[eas]ed To whom the Lord by his s[ai]d Stew[ar]d 13 granteth Seisin by the Rod according 14 to the Custom of the s[ai]d Manor To hold 15 the prem[is]es af[oresai]d with the appur[tenanc]es 16 unto the s[aid] George Simpson John 17 Simpson Ann Simpson Daniel 18 Rhodes & Sarah his Wife John Booth 19 & Martha his Wife & John Colclough 20 & Phebe his wife their heirs & Ass[igns] 21 forever Jan -----Original Message----- From: Anne Capewell Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 6:50 PM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls More than happy to have another go. Any chance of letting us know the transcription of the previous one - I, for one, want to know what I didn't manage to read! hth, Anne > From: jan.rockett@ntlworld.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 22:35:17 +0000 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls > > I would like to thank everyone, on and off list for their help with the > document. I think we have it sussed now. > I have some more if anyone wants a challenge. > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Rockett > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 10:45 AM > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls > > I have a scan of an entry in the Duchy of Lancaster Manor Court Rolls and > would like help deciphering some of it. > Can I add it as an attachment on here or not? > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harrison Genealogy > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:28 PM > To: Birmingham Rootsweb ; Black Country Postings ; Pots Rootsweb ; Staffs > Rootsweb > Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Staffs BMD Update 9th Sept 2011 > > Hi All > > The Staffs BMD has been updated with the following records .... > > Births: > 2,000 for Hanley, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1881-1883) > 1,500 for Stoke, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1889-1891) > > regards > > Bill > > ======================================================================== > The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk > and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk > > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's the long s you have described. It faded from use round 1860 but was very common before that - and was a few centuries before used for all s, not just the first of the double s. Dawn -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wright Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012 5:40 PM To: Staffordshire RootsWeb Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants Yep, it was kind of fun looking at some actual documents. They have MOSS spelled "MO" and then some crazy looking "S" which looks a lot like a cursive "F", and then they have a normal "S" for the second one. Weird. Also a lot of people have said that MOSS and MORSE were mixed up, or swapped around, so that's something for me to consider as well. I just don't want to because it makes things harder. :D Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:05:37 -0800 > From: shawforsure@gmail.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > Michael, to further confuse you....George Moss could be Goss or Woss, my > relation was Henry Nash, he ended up as Wash. Writing with a pen doing > upward strokes is not easy and a W, M, and N look alike. Wackford became > Mackford also. Wait a while. Maybe your lot came to Oz and, as they say, > must have swum. They could be in jail, visiting rellies in Scotland or in > hospital. Never say die, just go and do something else for a while...you > get brain overload. Robyn > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Marilyn L. Arnold < > marilyn.arnold1@verizon.net> wrote: > > > Michael: > > > > Yes ... despite the "quick success stories" people see at Who do You Think > > You Are or "The Locator" -- genealogy and finding people is NOT always > > quick > > or easy. Patience is required. It took me about 10 years to sort out the > > various CLARK families in one particular area of rural Vermont, and it was > > one SINGLE clue that led me to my ancestor -- a very brief obit in a > > neighboring town's newspaper indicating that he was born in 1775, CT > > (unlike > > the rest of the Clarks of that town who came from MA). BINGO. > > > > And figuring out my DAVIES in Shrops and Staffs, who are all creatively > > named Samuel, William, George, Thomas, or Harry (or Mary, Ann or Eleanor), > > has been quite the challenge, but I'm in touch with descendants who were > > siblings in the 1860-70s (who remained in England), for which I am > > grateful! > > (And, siblings from the 1840s in the US one generation earlier). Even > > found > > one distant cousin on this line where the common ancestors were born in the > > 1790s! Working collaboratively is exciting and fun for all -- you just > > never know who may have the clues, the family Bible, the letters, old > > pictures, and even the recipe for the "Humbugs (from the 1840s)." (At > > least > > one of my cousins is on this list -- hi Al!) (We found each other about 12 > > years ago online.) > > > > Don't give up hope. Follow the siblings, because you never know where that > > clue may be! Be sure you have a "strong foundation" before you go building > > the roof on that house, however .... (from some of the correspondence, I'm > > not sure you have that ...?) > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Marilyn > > DC (sunny, windows open, mild!) > > > > DAVIES, HEIGHWAY > > Married: CADDICK, HAMPTON, COATES, PURCELL, BEET, BUTLER, JONES > > (1840-1940s); pre 1840 in Shrops. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robyn Shaw" <shawforsure@gmail.com> > > To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 2:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > > > > Hi Michael, we ALL know that feeling of trawling through many records > > > trying to find someone, and we end up finding that their birth was not > > > registered or their mum died and the neighbour took them in.....in one > > mad > > > moment, trying to find my Spiers in Scotland, I printed all of them out > > > and > > > went through them one by one...pages and pages it took...days and days it > > > took....eventually found them and not where I was told either. Do not > > > give > > > up. many more records are coming on line and sometimes you just have to > > > wait a bit for a new census or parish records to be available. All the > > > best. Robyn Shaw, Qld, Australia > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Thanks for giving me some hope. Last night was fairly depressing. I > > >> spent about three hours trying to look for one of my ancestors' husband > > >> with no luck. George MOSS and Sarah had a daughter named Elizabeth, and > > >> we > > >> know nothing of who she married, or if she died. > > <snip> > > > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Robyn Freney-Shaw > Manager/Co-Ordinator > Spiritus Soup Kitchen > Toowoomba. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6930 (20120301) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6930 (20120301) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I think Emma (Reeves) Hood must have died between 1827 when her last child was born and before  September 04, 1830 when he married again. ________________________________ From: Peter R Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] HOOD/ REEVES     Did Emma die before 1841 census? It might show if born outside county. But I can't find a birth or christening of Emma Reeves c1795 on IGI at Family Search.     I'd suggest looking for Reeves occurrences in 1841. You might just tweak a brother or cousin. Presumably parents would be over 70 and probably deceased.     As for the death of George Hood, ages only appear on death records after about 1865, when according to 1861 census age, he would be about 73.     While there are seven possibilities before ages appear, only two are in Stoke on Trent Registration District which covers Hanley and there's only one over 73 before the next census.     So you have a choice of three. Were there any other possibilities around his age in the area in 1861. It might eliminate the 82 yr old.     Peter ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

More than happy to have another go. Any chance of letting us know the transcription of the previous one - I, for one, want to know what I didn't manage to read! hth, Anne > From: jan.rockett@ntlworld.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 22:35:17 +0000 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls > > I would like to thank everyone, on and off list for their help with the > document. I think we have it sussed now. > I have some more if anyone wants a challenge. > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Rockett > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 10:45 AM > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] reading an entry in Manor Court Rolls > > I have a scan of an entry in the Duchy of Lancaster Manor Court Rolls and > would like help deciphering some of it. > Can I add it as an attachment on here or not? > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harrison Genealogy > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:28 PM > To: Birmingham Rootsweb ; Black Country Postings ; Pots Rootsweb ; Staffs > Rootsweb > Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Staffs BMD Update 9th Sept 2011 > > Hi All > > The Staffs BMD has been updated with the following records .... > > Births: > 2,000 for Hanley, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1881-1883) > 1,500 for Stoke, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1889-1891) > > regards > > Bill > > ======================================================================== > The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk > and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk > > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michael: Ruth just did a lot of wonderful research for you, so it is doable and the information is out there .... She's suggested a number of avenues to try -- it's not about hitting the lottery. All but one of the sites she proposed are FREE. Basic membership to genesreunited, I recall it was just abt $30 US/year, and well worth it. You can use Ancestry at your local library, so .... it's not a huge investment. W/Genes Reunited, I reconnected w/some 3rd cousins I met in Dundee (Scotland) 15 years ago, which to me was worth the $30 alone. I also found two other researchers on this line and was able to reconnect with another 3rd cousin in Australia. And yes, a % of message go unanswered, but for me it was perhaps 30%, so I had better luck, personally, but that's the luck of the draw. Marilyn DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Wright" <rahmuss@hotmail.com> To: "Staffordshire RootsWeb" <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Elizabeth MOSS of Onecote > > Wow, Ruth, thank you very much for all of the great information. I guess > having a paid subscription for some sites may be worth the cost. I just > need to strike it rich and then I won't have to worry about it. Anyone > have the winning lottery numbers? > > Really though, all of that is great information. I guess I can scrub all > of those Elizabeths with different last names from my list. And I'll have > to see about getting information about wills. That gives me an idea too. > If my Sarah is actually DEAVILLE (or DEVILLE, or one of many other > spellings), then I know who her father is, and it's possible that he died > before her (though she died young), and so she may be included in his > will. How can you tell if a will has been entered? Where would I search > for a will for her father? > > Michael Wright > 801-773-7680 (H) > 801-390-0960 (C) > rahmuss@hotmail.com > > > >> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 09:50:57 +0000 >> From: historyscape@gmail.com >> To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Elizabeth MOSS of Onecote >> >> Michael has asked about the MOSS family of Onecote in a couple of other >> messages. >> >> The MOSS family of Onecote are relatively easy to track in the census >> using >> the indexes on Ancestry or Findmypast. It is pretty difficult to track >> people down reliably just using the free search on Familysearch, with the >> exception of the 1881 census where a full transcription is available on >> that site. This is because, as other listers have pointed out, names, >> birthplaces and ages can be inconsistent - because of illiteracy, >> changing >> census dates (1841 was June, others were March or April), different >> family >> members giving information to the enumerator etc. It is therefore >> essential to check out the whole family grouping as that will give you >> further clues about whether you have a match or not. >> >> Elizabeth MOSS appears with her family (her father, George, as head of >> household until 1871, her brother John from 1881) in Onecote in every >> census 1841-1891. She is aged 20 in 1841 (all ages over 15 were supposed >> to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years), 32 in 1851 (born Elkstone as >> I >> said in my response to Michael's email titled 'Onecote'), aged 40 in 1861 >> (born Elkstone), aged 50 in 1871 (born Onecote), aged 62 in 1881 (born >> Elkstone), and aged 69 in 1891 (born Elkstone). Despite the differences >> in >> ages, this is clearly the same woman each time based on the family >> grouping >> and address. She was probably the Elizabeth MOSS, aged 78, whose death >> was >> registered in the Leek Registration District in Oct-Dec 1896 ( >> www.freebmd.org.uk). >> >> She remained unmarried as did her brother John and sisters Ann and Sarah. >> See https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-YR1 for the 1881 census. >> >> Their father, George Moss of Westbrook Head, Onecote, left a will which >> was >> proved on 11 March 1874. A copy of the will might give some more >> information about some of his direct descendants. This page gives you the >> address to write to: >> http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills >> >> The best source for tracking down living descendants in my experience is >> www.genesreunited.co.uk, which currently lists three researchers >> interested >> in George Moss. However, as you have to be subscribed to reply to >> messages, I find that only about 20% of messages sent on that site get a >> reply. >> >> Ruth >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >> ARCHIVED MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would not take the ages given in the census as giving the correct birth year either. About two either way is very possible - and five or more is not unknown - just because they did not really remember! And then, there were those who deliberately lied... for whatever reason. Usually to better match the souse - for my six times bigamist g grandfather (in England), partly to match the brides, partly to avoid getting caught, I suspect. Dawn -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wright Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012 4:21 PM To: Staffordshire RootsWeb Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants Sorry, it's a bit confusing. All of those Elizabeths were born in 1821. Some of these records show the birth year (1821) and some of them show the census year (ie. 1841, 1861, 1901) and her age (ie. 20, 40, 80). So they're all actually born in 1821, though, now there is some dispute as to whether or not she was born in 1821 or as early as 1818, or as late as 1822; but we're sticking with the census records which show her parents and siblings, so we'll stick with 1821 as the year she was born. George MOSS was born in Butterton, Staffordshire, England in 1793, and died in 1873 Sarah ________ (DEVILLE?) was likely born in Onecote, Staffordshire, England in 1795, and died in 1837 (so she actually wasn't around for the 1841 census like I posted earlier) They had seven children (per the census records) Thomas MOSS (1820-1881) Elizabeth MOSS (1821-????) John MOSS (1823-1894) Ann MOSS (1826-????) Pheobe MOSS (1829-1915) Joseph MOSS (1830-1881) Sarah MOSS (1832-1891) I'm related to the long living Phoebe MOSS, and I'm guessing that if any of the children had keepsakes from their parents, they might have made their way to her; but that's only guess work. I wanted to find her descendants to see if anyone had any keepsakes which might give me more information on Phoebe's mother, Sarah _______. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) > From: christinebenson313@btinternet.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 14:34:04 +0000 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > Hi Michael, > > The ages of the Elizabeth's you list vary enormously from 40 to 80 in the > ones I have looked at. What was her age in 1841. Although this is rounded > down to the nearest 5 years it is still a good indication of her birth year. > using that you should be able to pare the list down. Giving the ages of her > parents and where they were born (as far as you can) might also help others > to find your family. > > Christine > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Wright > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 1:46 PM > To: Staffordshire RootsWeb > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > Diana, > Thanks for giving me some hope. Last night was fairly depressing. I spent > about three hours trying to look for one of my ancestors' husband with no > luck. George MOSS and Sarah had a daughter named Elizabeth, and we know > nothing of who she married, or if she died. We only know that she shows up > in the 1841 census and then disappears. Haven't found any deaths that I > could see. She could have crossed the country and married someone. I > searched through 3,338 records last night and collected 38 individuals > (birth place wasn't exact; but close enough to not discount), Elizabeth > ___surname___, some of them are likely repeats, leaving about 30 left. > > -- Leek -- > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74P-TFD Elizabeth STOKER > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ6R-8CG Elizabeth STOKES > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X9KQ-HRS Elizabeth STOKES > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-JY7 Elizabeth MASON > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-NVV Elizabeth MASON > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3T2-MJ3 Elizabeth FLINT > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XS7X-LFG Elizabeth FLINT > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-KRS Elizabeth TIPPER > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XSXQ-GBK Elizabeth GEORGE > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7V3-TL3 Elizabeth HULSON > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VZ-YM7 Elizabeth HILTON > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMZJ-CRJ Elizabeth ADAMS > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3BP-GSW Elizabeth ABBOTT > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VZ-BT9 Elizabeth ABBOTT > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3VG-NKK Elizabeth TITLEY > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3KM-GG6 Elizabeth TRAFFORD > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-N1Y Elizabeth MAGNIAC > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-D14 Elizabeth HODRIEN > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3V6-JDX Elizabeth PIDGEON > > -- ...Staffordshire -- > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7T8-BJ1 Elizabeth LEWIS > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M749-P68 Elizabeth ALLEN > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M749-ZHQ Elizabeth ALLEN > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VY-K68 Elizabeth BISSELL > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7D9-4ZL Elizabeth FRANCIS > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JQ-F99 Elizabeth KENNEDAY > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7VL-VVQ Elizabeth RANDLEY > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-V5L Elizabeth PODD > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JF-TP3 Elizabeth HILL > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7JJ-F2H Elizabeth HODDARD > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M74K-8KH Elizabeth HILL > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7DC-F7H Elizabeth BOYES > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7V4-3BF Elizabeth BRADDOCK > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M717-RMN Elizabeth HARVEY > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7X9-LMH Elizabeth ACTON > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7C8-85K Elizabeth WRIGHT > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7C2-J9N Elizabeth WORD > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M71B-S8R Elizabeth BUCH > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7DP-QRY Elizabeth COCK > > And my ancestor may or may not be one of them. Her older brother was born > in Onecote (Staffordshire), her next younger sister was also born in > Onecote. I could not find any births for an Elizabeth in Onecote doing my > search for her later on, so now I'll have to verify if she really was born > in Onecote. Oh the fun; but I do enjoy looking for them. It's just > discouraging not finding anything helpful yet. Anyway, thanks again for the > encouragement. I'm going to see what contact information my dad has for his > relatives on that side. > > Michael Wright > 801-773-7680 (H) > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:03:15 +1000 > > From: dmlfamilyhistory@gmail.com > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > Michael, Only by doing the research yourself, one person after another, > > will you unexpectedly find gems of information that you would otherwise > > miss, these leading to wonderful stories and to other branches of your > > family. If you are only doing this to gather names and dates you will miss > > out on so much. It has to become a labour of love, which in turn becomes > > an absorbing hobby. Maybe like many of us, you won't be able to do very > > much until your own children are grown up and you have retired, but in the > > meantime, just do a little as and when you can, and I am sure it will be > > well worth your while in the long run. I have now got about 4500 in my > > tree, and have made some wonderful discoveries that I would never have > > dreamt possible 20 years ago, and I have found many previously unknown > > relations with whom I now communicate. They in turn can often give you > > information which will help in your search....not only information, but > > photographs too. Only today I received a photograph of myself and my > > family taken 56 years ago that I had never seen before. I would never have > > even known about it's existence but for my family history hobby. Happy > > hunting, Diana > > > > On 1 March 2012 15:08, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Peter, > > > They were both alive for the 1841 census; but Sarah died before the 1851 > > > census. I have names of their children, and some of the spouses of the > > > children. I don't mind doing the work; but they had a lot of kids, if on > > > average each child had 4 kids, and each of those had 4 kids...etc... > > > down > > > to me then there would be tens of thousands of names to find. Obviously > > > I > > > know most of my close cousins and aunts and uncles and grandparents; but > > > not much more than that. Looking up thousands of names individually is a > > > daunting task, and as I have five young children of my own I don't have > > > much time. I was hoping there might be some tool out there which might > > > assist in things like this; but it doesn't sound like it. I'll see what > > > I > > > can find. > > > > > > Michael Wright > > > 801-773-7680 (H) > > > 801-390-0960 (C) > > > > > > > > > > From: pbo08596@bigpond.net.au > > > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > > > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:31:38 +1100 > > > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Finding Descendants > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > > > You've got to do the research. There's eight or more generations > > > > between > > > > 1793 and people living today. > > > > > > > > I presume George Moss and Sarah are still alive in 1841 census. That > > > > might be the place to start. > > > > > > > > If they stayed in England, BDM records are available from 1837-1937 on > > > > FreeBMD and right up to about 2007 via Ancestry. But it's a case of > > > pulling > > > > them all together. Once you have the basic names, dates and locations > > > > you > > > > can look at supplementary data from other sources. > > > > > > > > Of course the other way is to look if anybody has submitted family > > > > trees > > > > at places like Rootsweb or Ancestry. But I think you'd at least need > > > George > > > > & Sarah's marriage and children. > > > > > > > > And you must have some data. 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