Thanks for the address.I'll have a look later , Bye Linda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Gray" <barbarajgray8@gmail.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Old maps > Hi Linda > It was on www.thepotteries.org site, really worth a look > Barbara > > On 1 April 2012 16:13, lindahenk <lindahenk@quicknet.nl> wrote: > >> Hi Barbara , >> Where did you get the list of renamed streets please?We plan to visit >> Staffs >> England in July my family also originates from Longton ,Burslem, >> Wolstanten >> area.I'd never thought the street names might have changed. >> Linda. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barbara Gray" <barbarajgray8@gmail.com> >> To: "Staffordshire" <STAFFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 4:03 PM >> Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Old maps >> >> >> > Hi all >> > >> > I will be visiting Stoke on Trent later this month and want to try and >> > find >> > some of the places my ancestors lived in the Longton/Normacot end of >> town. >> > >> > I have a list of renamed streets to help with the ones that are still >> > there, but some no longer exist and wondered if there was a detailed >> > map >> > of >> > the area so I can at least see roughly where they were. >> > >> > I did grow up in the Potteries and have a cousin who can navigate round >> > all >> > the changes since my day! >> > >> > Thanks >> > Barbara >> > ****************************** >> > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >> ARCHIVED >> > MATERIALS. >> > ------------------------------- >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >> ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barbara , Where did you get the list of renamed streets please?We plan to visit Staffs England in July my family also originates from Longton ,Burslem, Wolstanten area.I'd never thought the street names might have changed. Linda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Gray" <barbarajgray8@gmail.com> To: "Staffordshire" <STAFFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 4:03 PM Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Old maps > Hi all > > I will be visiting Stoke on Trent later this month and want to try and > find > some of the places my ancestors lived in the Longton/Normacot end of town. > > I have a list of renamed streets to help with the ones that are still > there, but some no longer exist and wondered if there was a detailed map > of > the area so I can at least see roughly where they were. > > I did grow up in the Potteries and have a cousin who can navigate round > all > the changes since my day! > > Thanks > Barbara > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Steve, thats absolutely wonderful. I am sure my cousin can find it. In the 1901 census at 6 Uncle Toms Row was my grandmother Louise Cotton age 15 with her mother Elizabeth and family. They were late in Prospect Place so I would expect it to be in the same general area - they didn't move far! Regards Barbara On 1 April 2012 16:48, Steve Stutcinskas <steve.stutcinskas@sky.com> wrote: > On 01/04/12 15:48, Barbara Gray wrote: > > The main ones are Uncle Toms Row, Prospect Place and York Street. > > Regards > > Barbara > > > > Barbara - Prospect Place and York Street have both gone, having been > > dug away to make the cutting for the A50 Longton Bypass. > If you drive down Locketts lane, which is now in two halves, ffrom the > Uttoxeter road end, cross over Normacot Road via a little dog leg > junction and carry on down locketts lane. > As you cross over this dog leg look to the left for the Tam o'Shanter > Pub and keep its position in your mind. Carry onn down until you come to > the end of Locketts Lane. > > Park the car and on your right will be a footbridge over the A50. Walk > onto the bridge and stand at the highest point and look to your left > (East) towards Derby and you are looking over Prospect Place. > > Look back to the Tam O'Shanter and then think that 20yds further east > from Normacott Road running roughly parallel with Locketts lane was York > Street, All gone now but the top end is now all covered with grass and > trees. You can walk back to the Tam o'Shanter and Imagine where it was. > > Uncle Toms Row doesnt immediatly come to mind but if you give me a name > in a census of who you have in that Row I should be able to pin point it > on the ground for you. > > Steve > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Theresa, You really need to put relevant details in your posts and use appropriate subject lines. People won't help if they have to look for information you already know. In 1871 census at Brockhampton in Herefordshire I found James Goss b1834 Uttoxeter and wife Sarah b1832 Uttoxeter with sons Thomas b1869 and William b1870 both with birthplace of Norbury in what looks like Derby. James is a gamekeeper In 1881 census they are at Leigh in Staffordshire, but James is born 1839 at Uttoxeter and Sarah 1846 in Mottram, Cheshire. They have an additional son James b1878 at Ilam, Staffs. As you say, I can't find a likely match for James Goss on Ancestry using exact spelling in 1841, 1851 or 1861. Have you found his marriage? Do you have a certificate that should show father's name? I'd also suggest trying Find My Past. Try spelling variants as well. They also have the possibility to search by occupation so Goss (and variants) with occupation gamekeeper might bring up him and his father. There's some suggestions. You'll have to do the work. Peter

On 01/04/12 15:48, Barbara Gray wrote: > The main ones are Uncle Toms Row, Prospect Place and York Street. > Regards > Barbara > > Barbara - Prospect Place and York Street have both gone, having been > dug away to make the cutting for the A50 Longton Bypass. If you drive down Locketts lane, which is now in two halves, ffrom the Uttoxeter road end, cross over Normacot Road via a little dog leg junction and carry on down locketts lane. As you cross over this dog leg look to the left for the Tam o'Shanter Pub and keep its position in your mind. Carry onn down until you come to the end of Locketts Lane. Park the car and on your right will be a footbridge over the A50. Walk onto the bridge and stand at the highest point and look to your left (East) towards Derby and you are looking over Prospect Place. Look back to the Tam O'Shanter and then think that 20yds further east from Normacott Road running roughly parallel with Locketts lane was York Street, All gone now but the top end is now all covered with grass and trees. You can walk back to the Tam o'Shanter and Imagine where it was. Uncle Toms Row doesnt immediatly come to mind but if you give me a name in a census of who you have in that Row I should be able to pin point it on the ground for you. Steve

Hi Linda It was on www.thepotteries.org site, really worth a look Barbara On 1 April 2012 16:13, lindahenk <lindahenk@quicknet.nl> wrote: > Hi Barbara , > Where did you get the list of renamed streets please?We plan to visit > Staffs > England in July my family also originates from Longton ,Burslem, Wolstanten > area.I'd never thought the street names might have changed. > Linda. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Gray" <barbarajgray8@gmail.com> > To: "Staffordshire" <STAFFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 4:03 PM > Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Old maps > > > > Hi all > > > > I will be visiting Stoke on Trent later this month and want to try and > > find > > some of the places my ancestors lived in the Longton/Normacot end of > town. > > > > I have a list of renamed streets to help with the ones that are still > > there, but some no longer exist and wondered if there was a detailed map > > of > > the area so I can at least see roughly where they were. > > > > I did grow up in the Potteries and have a cousin who can navigate round > > all > > the changes since my day! > > > > Thanks > > Barbara > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Have a look at this site, its very impressive and has helped me no end, and I live there!! http://www.thepotteries.org/streets/index.htm What street are you looking for folks? Jan -----Original Message----- From: lindahenk Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 4:13 PM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Old maps Hi Barbara , Where did you get the list of renamed streets please?We plan to visit Staffs England in July my family also originates from Longton ,Burslem, Wolstanten area.I'd never thought the street names might have changed. Linda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Gray" <barbarajgray8@gmail.com> To: "Staffordshire" <STAFFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 4:03 PM Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Old maps > Hi all > > I will be visiting Stoke on Trent later this month and want to try and > find > some of the places my ancestors lived in the Longton/Normacot end of town. > > I have a list of renamed streets to help with the ones that are still > there, but some no longer exist and wondered if there was a detailed map > of > the area so I can at least see roughly where they were. > > I did grow up in the Potteries and have a cousin who can navigate round > all > the changes since my day! > > Thanks > Barbara > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Try www.old-maps.co.uk just put area in... find a map, gives you maps from around 1890 on. Brian NICHOLLS Walsall MASON Walsall

The main ones are Uncle Toms Row, Prospect Place and York Street. Regards Barbara On 1 April 2012 15:44, Steve Stutcinskas <steve.stutcinskas@sky.com> wrote: > On 01/04/12 15:03, Barbara Gray wrote: > > Hi all > > > > I will be visiting Stoke on Trent later this month and want to try and > find > > some of the places my ancestors lived in the Longton/Normacot end of > town. > > > > I have a list of renamed streets to help with the ones that are still > > there, but some no longer exist and wondered if there was a detailed map > of > > the area so I can at least see roughly where they were. > > > > I did grow up in the Potteries and have a cousin who can navigate round > all > > the changes since my day! > > > > Thanks > > Barbara > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Barbara - I live in that area - what addresses are you looking for ? > > Steve > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 01/04/12 15:03, Barbara Gray wrote: > Hi all > > I will be visiting Stoke on Trent later this month and want to try and find > some of the places my ancestors lived in the Longton/Normacot end of town. > > I have a list of renamed streets to help with the ones that are still > there, but some no longer exist and wondered if there was a detailed map of > the area so I can at least see roughly where they were. > > I did grow up in the Potteries and have a cousin who can navigate round all > the changes since my day! > > Thanks > Barbara > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Barbara - I live in that area - what addresses are you looking for ? Steve

Hi all I will be visiting Stoke on Trent later this month and want to try and find some of the places my ancestors lived in the Longton/Normacot end of town. I have a list of renamed streets to help with the ones that are still there, but some no longer exist and wondered if there was a detailed map of the area so I can at least see roughly where they were. I did grow up in the Potteries and have a cousin who can navigate round all the changes since my day! Thanks Barbara

Theresa, Here are confirmation of the two children's baptisms (source Ancestral Archives PR Transcripts of Norbury & Roston Derbyshire): 30 August 1868 at Norbury Thomas Heywood Broughton GOSS son of James & Sarah, Gamekeeper, Roston 3 July 1870 at Norbury William Henry GOSS son of James & Sarah, Gamekeeper, Roston Given the two other forenames of eldest son Thomas, it is interesting to note that a Clement BROUGHTON was Rector of the parish of Norbury and had 12 children baptised between 1844 & 1868. Also 2 HAYWOOD baptisms in the 1850's of children to a Thomas & Margaret of Dove Leys, Rocester who was shown as Esquire - could James perhaps have worked for him in some capacity. Conjecture, I know, but the forenames of Heywood & Broughton are interesting! The baptism shown on IGI Family Search for James at Uttoxeter on 19 July 1837 is an extracted one and should therefore be pretty reliable. However, I cannot find James on census records prior to 1871 nor can I find a Thomas & Sarah GOSS with any certainty using both Ancestry & FMP. Family Search also show the baptism in September 1833 at Uttoxeter of a Miriam GOSS to Thomas & Sarah - perhaps another avenue for you to explore. I think your best bet would be to look at the Uttoxeter parish registers to see if you can find other traces of your Thomas & Sarah GOSS. Either parent may have died and, if Thomas did, Sarah may have remarried and any children could be listed under her new married name which might explain the lack of them in earlier census records. Your nearest LDS Family History Centre should be able to order the appropriate microfilm for you for a small charge and you can then look through for any GOSS mentions. Janet Thanks for your help so far. Just a bit mpre so you know where I am coming from. I have found James GOSS birth reg in Uttoxeter, father Thomas GOSS mother Sarah no surname listed. I also have found census,1871 and 1881 married with his own family he immigrated to Canada 1882-3 I have not been able to find a Staffordshire census with Thomas, Sarah and James together and I don't know which direction to go next. James was a game keeper amd it is said that his father was as well, I have no proof on the father but I do with James as he is listed as such on the census. Thanks again. Theresa

Theresa Looking at the Occupations of both the GOSS men (ie Gamekeepers) would suggest being employed by the Gentry. The biggest Gentry Family in the area was the Dukes of Sutherland. I do know that Staffs County Archives have recently purchased all the Dukes of Sutherland papers regarding their estates and they have just finished cataloguing them, so probably you may find reference to your GOSS families in there. http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/leisure/archives/contact/sro/Records/home.as px If they were employed by them they would probably been moved around the country on their various estates so you may find the marriage etc somewhere else ( big estate in Scotland besides that of the one in Staffs) Regards Bill -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Theresa Goss Sent: 31 March 2012 21:21 To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Marriage Thanks for your help so far. Just a bit mpre so you know where I am coming from. I have found James GOSS birth reg in Uttoxeter, father Thomas GOSS mother Sarah no surname listed. I also have found census,1871 and 1881 married with his own family he immigrated to Canada 1882-3 I have not been able to find a Staffordshire census with Thomas, Sarah and James together and I don't know which direction to go next. James was a game keeper amd it is said that his father was as well, I have no proof on the father but I do with James as he is listed as such on the census. Thanks again. Theresa Sent from my smart phone ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to Steve for his URL of the North Staffs Regiment. My Uncle John Bagnall, served in the N.S. Regiment Enginneers during WW1.. I found two photographs relating to the John Bagnall Engineering Works, one of the manufactured "carriages" and the second taken at the Annual Fair in which a group of about six men were pictured. My grandfdather was John Bagnall, described in a census as a "wheelwright and carriage maker". I believe that he is positioned on the far right of the Fair photograph. My Uncle Jack (John ) may have been in the left side grouping. Thank you again Steve. Cheers, James Peterborough, Canada.

Thanks for your help so far. Just a bit mpre so you know where I am coming from. I have found James GOSS birth reg in Uttoxeter, father Thomas GOSS mother Sarah no surname listed. I also have found census,1871 and 1881 married with his own family he immigrated to Canada 1882-3 I have not been able to find a Staffordshire census with Thomas, Sarah and James together and I don't know which direction to go next. James was a game keeper amd it is said that his father was as well, I have no proof on the father but I do with James as he is listed as such on the census. Thanks again. Theresa Sent from my smart phone

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Theresa, Could I suggest you post known names, dates and locations of the person you're looking for and where you found that data. We could probably find dozens of Thomas Goss / Gough marriages with wife Sarah and lots of births for James. We need secondary data to qualify. And quite often it's easy to accept the first one you find. And being around the critical date of 1837, it depends if you are looking in Parish Records or Civil Registrations. Peter

You start from what you know and work backwards, Theresa. ie 1) Find the family on the 1851 census. This will tell you the names of children, and the birth places of everyone, plus their ages. 2) Using that information, obtain a birth certificate for one of the children of Thomas and Sarah born after 1837! This will also give you Sarah's maiden name. 3) Only then will you be able to accurately discover where Thomas and Sarah married. But be aware that pre civil registration marriages do not give the names of the bridal couples parents. Regards Sue Lote nee DERRY Names of Interest: DERRY, LOTE, RUSSELL, BLOORE, GLOVER, BLAKEMORE, DORSETT, SEAGER, VALANCE, HAYWARD, WEBSTER - All in and around the Home of the BROWNHILLS SAXON HOARD: Ogley Hay, Norton Canes, Walsall Wood, Aldridge, Stonnall, Burntwood. -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Theresa Goss Sent: 30 March 2012 21:02 To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] marriage HiI have a question to ask, I have been search for this family a long time but I still am not in the country and have not had a lot of experience so please excuse any thing that I may not consider. I have recently used a free subscription to Ancestry add finally found some records to search through for a marriage to Thomas GOSS to a Sarah in about 1836, as that is what year the only child I know of was born. James GOSS the child was born in Uttoeter. My question is could a marriage to a Thomas GOUGH and a Sarah HUXLEY in 1834 in Prees, Shropshire, England be a reasonable consideration as a possible marriage of this couple and a possible starting point for other references ie the census, their births even other trees? Any advice or suggestions would help tremendously. Thanks in advance. Theresa ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's possible. However, if you know the name GOSS is for sure how it's been spelled, even back in the 1800s, and you have seen the actual marriage record with the spelling of GOUGH, then it's not as likely. If you haven't seen GOUGH on the actual marriage record; but instead simply a transcription of the marriage record, then it's possible.That's just my own opinion, and there could be some reason why GOUGH would have been changed to GOSS, or is maybe interchangable (at least back then) with GOSS. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) rahmuss@hotmail.com > From: tggoss@hotmail.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:01:39 -0700 > Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] marriage > > > HiI have a question to ask, I have been search for this family a long time but I still am not in the country and have not had a lot of experience so please excuse any thing that I may not consider. I have recently used a free subscription to Ancestry add finally found some records to search through for a marriage to Thomas GOSS to a Sarah in about 1836, as that is what year the only child I know of was born. James GOSS the child was born in Uttoeter. My question is could a marriage to a Thomas GOUGH and a Sarah HUXLEY in 1834 in Prees, Shropshire, England be a reasonable consideration as a possible marriage of this couple and a possible starting point for other references ie the census, their births even other trees? Any advice or suggestions would help tremendously. Thanks in advance. Theresa > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HiI have a question to ask, I have been search for this family a long time but I still am not in the country and have not had a lot of experience so please excuse any thing that I may not consider. I have recently used a free subscription to Ancestry add finally found some records to search through for a marriage to Thomas GOSS to a Sarah in about 1836, as that is what year the only child I know of was born. James GOSS the child was born in Uttoeter. My question is could a marriage to a Thomas GOUGH and a Sarah HUXLEY in 1834 in Prees, Shropshire, England be a reasonable consideration as a possible marriage of this couple and a possible starting point for other references ie the census, their births even other trees? Any advice or suggestions would help tremendously. Thanks in advance. Theresa