Hi all, This is my first request to the list and wondered if some kind soul could help me with a look up to solve a very long standing problem. For many years I have been trying to find the birth place and consequently the parents of my g.g.grandfather William Grice born 1803 (according to marriage cert, census,etc). Unfortunately each census gives a different birthplace i.e.- 1841 census gives his birthplace as Y for Staffs. 1851 census gives NK (not known). 1861 census gives Newcastle. Staffs. 1871 census gives Wednesbury. Staffs. He died before the 1881 census. I have searched all records over the years without success. However, he raised all his family in West Bromwich, so as a last desperate measure if I could find his Settlement Papers in the West Brom records, these should give his place of birth. He married Elizabeth Barnes 3 Nov 1823 at Walsall. Elizabeth was born in Wednesbury 1803. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards, Bill Grice.

Birthplaces on census are notorious for being incorrect. People put down where they believed they were born however they could have been born many miles away. Bill you say census states his birth year as 1803 well those I have seen suggest 1807 as his birth year. Was his marriage by licence or banns? If by licence have you tried seeing if the licence exists still? It is unlikely the settlement order exists but if you are lucky and assuming he actually went to the overseer's and applied for settlement it may well do. Have you tried locating a will which may offer an insight by naming a sibling who you can then try and locate? If he worked in a factory or similar enviroment have you tried to see if papers for that survive. Was he apprenticed? Unfortunately this may be one of those ancestors that are the preverbial brick wall Rob -----Original Message----- From: Norm Simcock <norm.simcock@gmail.com> To: staffordshire <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 22:58 Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Help I am looking forward to seeing any response to this question as I have a similar problem with a family CLOSE from Newcastle. On 4 April 2012 05:36, WGrice <wgrice@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Hi all, > > This is my first request to the list and wondered if some kind soul could help me with a look up to solve a very long standing problem. > > For many years I have been trying to find the birth place and consequently the parents of my g.g.grandfather William Grice born 1803 (according to marriage cert, census,etc). Unfortunately each census gives a different birthplace i.e.- > 1841 census gives his birthplace as Y for Staffs. > > 1851 census gives NK (not known). > > 1861 census gives Newcastle. Staffs. > > 1871 census gives Wednesbury. Staffs. > > He died before the 1881 census. > > > I have searched all records over the years without success. However, he raised all his family in West Bromwich, so as a last desperate measure if I could find his Settlement Papers in the West Brom records, these should give his place of birth. He married Elizabeth Barnes 3 Nov 1823 at Walsall. Elizabeth was born in Wednesbury 1803. > > Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Kind regards, > > Bill Grice. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not sure why those entries all ended up on one line. Another thought I had was that if his co-workers gave his information (age and place of birth), then that would also explain the discrepancy in ages. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) rahmuss@hotmail.com > From: rahmuss@hotmail.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 16:56:31 -0600 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Help > > > Bill, All kinds of mis-matched info here. I believe the two entries from 1841 are the same person. It's possible that he lived close to the mine or railway station and was counted there, as well as being counted at home.The ages and estimated dates of birth along with the birth places make this kind of odd. It really looks like the 1841, 1861, and 1871 people are the same (could be mis-transcribed to give the inaccurate birth year). It's possible that his family (or at least his early childhood) lived in Newcastle; but later he learned that he was born in Wednesbury. I cannot find Cheltenham, Staffordshire on google maps. I included the entry from the 1881 census because he shows up as being from West Bromwich where you said he raised his family.Another thought I had was that he may not have been present during the census record taking and his co-workers could have been the ones telling people where he was likely born, thus all the strange answers.I don't have any paid! > subscriptions so I can't do much more research than that. Hope you find more info. ---------------- 1841 ---------------- > William Grice 35 Engineer Est. birth year 1806 Birth Place Staffordshire William Grice 35 Engineer Est. birth year 1806 Birth Place Staffordshire > ---------------- 1851 ---------------- > William Grice 42 Miller Of Iron Est. birth year 1809 Birth Place Cheltenham Staffordshire ---------------- 1861 ---------------- > William Grice 59 Engine Driver Est. birth year 1802 Birth Place Newcastle Staffordshire ---------------- 1871 ---------------- > William Grace 60 Engine Driver At Coal Miner Est. birth year 1811 Birth Place Wednesbury Staffordshire ---------------- 1881 ---------------- > William Grice 67 Iron Worker Est. birth year 1814 Birth Place West Bromwich Staffordshire ---------------- 1891 ---------------- > None > > Michael Wright > 801-773-7680 (H) > 801-390-0960 (C) > > rahmuss@hotmail.com > > > > This is my first request to the list and wondered if some kind soul could help me with a look up to solve a very long standing problem. > > > > > > For many years I have been trying to find the birth place and consequently the parents of my g.g.grandfather William Grice born 1803 (according to marriage cert, census,etc). Unfortunately each census gives a different birthplace i.e.- > > > 1841 census gives his birthplace as Y for Staffs. > > > > > > 1851 census gives NK (not known). > > > > > > 1861 census gives Newcastle. Staffs. > > > > > > 1871 census gives Wednesbury. Staffs. > > > > > > He died before the 1881 census. > > > > > > > > > I have searched all records over the years without success. However, he raised all his family in West Bromwich, so as a last desperate measure if I could find his Settlement Papers in the West Brom records, these should give his place of birth. He married Elizabeth Barnes 3 Nov 1823 at Walsall. Elizabeth was born in Wednesbury 1803. > > > > > > Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Bill Grice. > > > ****************************** > > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill, All kinds of mis-matched info here. I believe the two entries from 1841 are the same person. It's possible that he lived close to the mine or railway station and was counted there, as well as being counted at home.The ages and estimated dates of birth along with the birth places make this kind of odd. It really looks like the 1841, 1861, and 1871 people are the same (could be mis-transcribed to give the inaccurate birth year). It's possible that his family (or at least his early childhood) lived in Newcastle; but later he learned that he was born in Wednesbury. I cannot find Cheltenham, Staffordshire on google maps. I included the entry from the 1881 census because he shows up as being from West Bromwich where you said he raised his family.Another thought I had was that he may not have been present during the census record taking and his co-workers could have been the ones telling people where he was likely born, thus all the strange answers.I don't have any paid subscriptions so I can't do much more research than that. Hope you find more info. ---------------- 1841 ---------------- William Grice 35 Engineer Est. birth year 1806 Birth Place Staffordshire William Grice 35 Engineer Est. birth year 1806 Birth Place Staffordshire ---------------- 1851 ---------------- William Grice 42 Miller Of Iron Est. birth year 1809 Birth Place Cheltenham Staffordshire ---------------- 1861 ---------------- William Grice 59 Engine Driver Est. birth year 1802 Birth Place Newcastle Staffordshire ---------------- 1871 ---------------- William Grace 60 Engine Driver At Coal Miner Est. birth year 1811 Birth Place Wednesbury Staffordshire ---------------- 1881 ---------------- William Grice 67 Iron Worker Est. birth year 1814 Birth Place West Bromwich Staffordshire ---------------- 1891 ---------------- None Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) rahmuss@hotmail.com > > This is my first request to the list and wondered if some kind soul could help me with a look up to solve a very long standing problem. > > > > For many years I have been trying to find the birth place and consequently the parents of my g.g.grandfather William Grice born 1803 (according to marriage cert, census,etc). Unfortunately each census gives a different birthplace i.e.- > > 1841 census gives his birthplace as Y for Staffs. > > > > 1851 census gives NK (not known). > > > > 1861 census gives Newcastle. Staffs. > > > > 1871 census gives Wednesbury. Staffs. > > > > He died before the 1881 census. > > > > > > I have searched all records over the years without success. However, he raised all his family in West Bromwich, so as a last desperate measure if I could find his Settlement Papers in the West Brom records, these should give his place of birth. He married Elizabeth Barnes 3 Nov 1823 at Walsall. Elizabeth was born in Wednesbury 1803. > > > > Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Bill Grice. > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Once again thanks to all for your great assistance, now it has given me a new quarry. Would this information have me think that GORSE is the original spelling of this name or would it mean that it was spelled buy those particular registrar's that way? The GOSS name as we know it is often misspelled even in this day and age people like to read r's that aren't there into the pronunciation. I had tried all my usual suspects on my search but was not able to think of this one. I have found it spelled with the "e" on the end I am wondering if it could have been transcribed incorrectly from that spelling, any opinions excepted:)Theresa

Forwarded from Richard: I think your Goss family can be found by searching for Gorse. In the 1841 census a Thomas Gorse (40, keeper) can be found at Checkley, Staffordshire with his wife Sarah (40) and children Joseph (17), Charlotte (13, spelled Sharlot), William (10), Miram (7, spelled Myrom) and James (4). Charlotte, William, Miram and James were all baptised at Uttoxeter. In the 1851 census Thomas Gorse (53, from Mackworth, Derbyshire) and his wife Sarah (55, from Colton, Staffordshire) can be found at Norbury near Uttoxeter with Thomas shown as a gamekeeper. Sarah died in 1852 (see FreeBMD) and Thomas remarried in 1853 to Agnes Forrester. Thomas died in 1871. Thomas Gorse married Sarah Johnson on 4th September 1815 at Mackworth, Derbyshire. Two children to a Thomas and Sarah Gorse were baptised at Mackworth - Catherine in 1818 and Mary Ann in 1821. There was another son at Uttoxeter in 1840 - Samuel who died the same year. Thomas Gorse was born on 18th August 1797 and baptised on 27th August 1797 at Mackworth, Derbyshire and his parents were given as James Gorse and Sarah Ratclifff. Richard -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Theresa Goss Sent: 02 April 2012 3:35 AM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] GOSS family Thanls Peter and Janet for your suggestions, looks like I will have to make a trip to get it all sorted as I don't have local access to LDS records Theresa Sent from my smart phone ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Just had a look at the Ancestry - Search 'Public Member Trees' facility, it looks like one or two people have done some work on the GOSS family that emigrated to Canada BC. Don't for get to check the data they have given, but it does seem to fit the bill for you. extract:- James Goss Birth 19 JUL 1837 in Uttoxeter, Stafford, England UK Death 27 NOV 1909 in Ashcroft, BC Canada regard - Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Goss" <tggoss@hotmail.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 3:34 AM Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] GOSS family > Thanls Peter and Janet for your suggestions, looks like I will have to > make a trip to get it all sorted as I don't have local access to LDS > records > Theresa > > Sent from my smart phone > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well spotted Richard! And to add to the information that Richard found for you, Theresa, are the following extracts from Norbury & Roston PR Transcripts, all at Norbury church: 21 July 1846 Sarah GORSE of Roston buried, aged 48 19 August 1870 Thomas GORSE of Norbury buried, aged 74 15 April 1895 Agnes GORSE als GOSS of Roston buried, aged 92 6 December 1904 Charlotte GOSS of Rocester buried, aged 76 18 April 1843 Catherine GORSE, full age, spinster, of Doveridge, father Thomas GORSE, Gamekeeper married Joseph HARRISON, full age, bachelor, Farmer, Roston, father Joseph HARRISON, Farmer, by licence. Witnesses: John CLARKE/Dinah HARRISON 26 July 1853 Thomas GORSE, full age, widower, Gamekeeper, Norbury, father deceased, married Agnes FORRESTER, full age, spinster, of Ellaston, father deceased, by licence. Witnesses: John CLARKE/Georgiana DUCKERS There is a death registration in the September qtr 1846 at Uttoxeter reg district for a Sarah GORSE but although the PR Transcript definitely states 1870 for the burial of Thomas GORSE, the death registration looks to be in the September qtr 1871 at Uttoxeter reg district so I would guess that the PR Transcription should read 1871 and is an error. Janet I think your Goss family can be found by searching for Gorse. In the 1841 census a Thomas Gorse (40, keeper) can be found at Checkley, Staffordshire with his wife Sarah (40) and children Joseph (17), Charlotte (13, spelled Sharlot), William (10), Miram (7, spelled Myrom) and James (4). Charlotte, William, Miram and James were all baptised at Uttoxeter. In the 1851 census Thomas Gorse (53, from Mackworth, Derbyshire) and his wife Sarah (55, from Colton, Staffordshire) can be found at Norbury near Uttoxeter with Thomas shown as a gamekeeper. Sarah died in 1852 (see FreeBMD) and Thomas remarried in 1853 to Agnes Forrester. Thomas died in 1871.

Richard, Brilliant work. And heaps of perseverance. Would you mind letting us in on how you found it. I tried surname variants and occupation at Find My Past. And obviously Gos* at Ancestry wouldn't work for Gorse. We might all learn something. I'll bet in the end it was simple. Peter

Peter, I used Ancestry and the 1841 census and put in James, no surname, born in 1837 in Staffordshire. Then its a question of going through the pages which is OK for a name like James and a possible surname beginning with either A or Z but more time consuming if it's M. The more unusual the christian name the better because the search engine quickly moves on to different birth years. The method works reasonably well with births from about 1835 but the earlier the birth the more possible names and the system won't move on to years either side of your target until it has exhausted all options in the one year. We have also had success when working out what the transcriber might have put in e.g. looking for Stilliard and the transcriber put Hilliard. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Goss family Uttoxeter > Richard, > > Brilliant work. And heaps of perseverance. Would you mind letting us in > on how you found it. > > I tried surname variants and occupation at Find My Past. And obviously > Gos* at Ancestry wouldn't work for Gorse. > > We might all learn something. I'll bet in the end it was simple. > > Peter > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks seems I've got some more research to do! ----- Original Message ----- From: "New Englander" <new.englander@verizon.net> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Old maps/Street names/numbers > Linda: > > You'll also need to consider that street numbers may change or get > renumbered over time == US, elsewhere. > > Marilyn > DC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "lindahenk" <lindahenk@quicknet.nl> > To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 11:13 AM > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Old maps > > >> Hi Barbara , >> Where did you get the list of renamed streets please?We plan to visit >> Staffs >> England in July my family also originates from Longton ,Burslem, >> Wolstanten >> area.I'd never thought the street names might have changed. >> Linda. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barbara Gray" <barbarajgray8@gmail.com> >> To: "Staffordshire" <STAFFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 4:03 PM >> Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Old maps >> >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> I will be visiting Stoke on Trent later this month and want to try and >>> find >>> some of the places my ancestors lived in the Longton/Normacot end of >>> town. >>> >>> I have a list of renamed streets to help with the ones that are still >>> there, but some no longer exist and wondered if there was a detailed map >>> of >>> the area so I can at least see roughly where they were. >>> >>> I did grow up in the Potteries and have a cousin who can navigate round >>> all >>> the changes since my day! >>> >>> Thanks >>> Barbara >>> ****************************** >>> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >>> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >>> ARCHIVED >>> MATERIALS. >>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >> ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Theresa, I think your Goss family can be found by searching for Gorse. In the 1841 census a Thomas Gorse (40, keeper) can be found at Checkley, Staffordshire with his wife Sarah (40) and children Joseph (17), Charlotte (13, spelled Sharlot), William (10), Miram (7, spelled Myrom) and James (4). Charlotte, William, Miram and James were all baptised at Uttoxeter. In the 1851 census Thomas Gorse (53, from Mackworth, Derbyshire) and his wife Sarah (55, from Colton, Staffordshire) can be found at Norbury near Uttoxeter with Thomas shown as a gamekeeper. Sarah died in 1852 (see FreeBMD) and Thomas remarried in 1853 to Agnes Forrester. Thomas died in 1871. Thomas Gorse married Sarah Johnson on 4th September 1815 at Mackworth, Derbyshire. Two children to a Thomas and Sarah Gorse were baptised at Mackworth - Catherine in 1818 and Mary Ann in 1821. There was another son at Uttoxeter in 1840 - Samuel who died the same year. Thomas Gorse was born on 18th August 1797 and baptised on 27th August 1797 at Mackworth, Derbyshire and his parents were given as James Gorse and Sarah Ratclifff. Richard

Theresa, For what it's worth. I Googled " Goss + gamekeeper " and found the following reference 1842 mercury northampton newspaper index BURGESS REUBEN RUSHDEN WELLINGBOROUGH PETTY SESSIONS J. GOSS, GAMEKEEPER TO C. HILL ESQ., CHARGED REUBEN HILL, THOMAS ... www.familyhistorynorthants.co.uk/1842.html There are a number of people charged with gamekeeping offences by John Goss. Another with a serious assault on John Goss. But when I look at 1841 census there is no John Goss. There are however three John GROSS. It may be worth checking these out. There is also a death of John Gross in 12/1846 at Brixworth which is near Wellingborough. Could it be that he died and his wife remarried and children are shown with the surname of their stepfather. That would explain why they can't be found. Sorry. I don't have the time to check out every possibility. Peter

Linda: You'll also need to consider that street numbers may change or get renumbered over time == US, elsewhere. Marilyn DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "lindahenk" <lindahenk@quicknet.nl> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Old maps > Hi Barbara , > Where did you get the list of renamed streets please?We plan to visit > Staffs > England in July my family also originates from Longton ,Burslem, > Wolstanten > area.I'd never thought the street names might have changed. > Linda. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Gray" <barbarajgray8@gmail.com> > To: "Staffordshire" <STAFFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 4:03 PM > Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Old maps > > >> Hi all >> >> I will be visiting Stoke on Trent later this month and want to try and >> find >> some of the places my ancestors lived in the Longton/Normacot end of >> town. >> >> I have a list of renamed streets to help with the ones that are still >> there, but some no longer exist and wondered if there was a detailed map >> of >> the area so I can at least see roughly where they were. >> >> I did grow up in the Potteries and have a cousin who can navigate round >> all >> the changes since my day! >> >> Thanks >> Barbara >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >> ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks so much you people are brilliant, I have been searching now off and on for ten years. I am so glad I asked this time. Thanks again. Theresa Sent from my smart phone

Theresa, you can ask the Archives to search for you but they do charge. Linda.

Hello Charles Harry Thorley marriage to Elizabeth Ann Timmis was at St Mary's Church Bucknall Staffordshire BMDs web site.  enter as Timmis Elizabeth to Thorley Charles. Denise From: Steve Stutcinskas <steve.stutcinskas@sky.com> To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 27 March 2012, 10:31 Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Thorley / Timmus marriage On 27/03/12 09:18, Joy Brealey wrote: > Hello > I am trying to get details of the marriage of Charles Harry Thorley to > Elizabeth Ann Timmis and at which church it took place. It was on 20 May > 1878 at Bucknall cum Bagnall. Was it at Bucknall church OR Bagnall > church? The GRO Index just gives it as Stoke T. 6b 184. > Can anyone help? > Regards > Graham Brealey > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Graham - you should visit www.staffordshireBMD.org.uk where you will find the marriage listed as :- TIMMIS     Elizabeth A     THORLEY     Charles H     Bucknall, St Mary Stoke-On-Trent     2/04/104. <http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/certapp.php?type=marriages&data=TIMMIS%7cElizabeth%20A%7cTHORLEY%7cCharles%20H%7cBucknall%2c%20St%20Mary%7cStoke%2dOn%2dTrent%7c1878%7c1878%7c%7cSO%3a2%2f04%2f104%2e%7cT%7c9717%7cstaffordshire%7cSO&lang=> www.staffordshireBMD.org.uk should be the first point of call for all North Staffs marriages between July 1837 and 1984 as they have been transcribed from the original registers. Staffs BMD gives more details than the GRO in that it names the church and also gives the register and page number. Regards Steve Stutcinskas ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Steve Thats fantastic, I see its also near Lower Spring Road where some of the others lived. Regards Barbara On 1 April 2012 19:25, Steve Stutcinskas <steve.stutcinskas@sky.com> wrote: > On 01/04/12 17:00, Barbara Gray wrote: > > Thanks Steve, thats absolutely wonderful. I am sure my cousin can find > it. > > > > In the 1901 census at 6 Uncle Toms Row was my grandmother Louise Cotton > age > > 15 with her mother Elizabeth and family. They were late in Prospect > Place > > so I would expect it to be in the same general area - they didn't move > far! > > > > Regards > > Barbara > > > > > Barbara - according to the 1901 census Uncle Tom's Row is between 152 > and 154 Normacot Road si it would be little more than an entry leading > to a row of Potters cottages. > > If you go onto http://maps.google.co.uk/ and put in 152 Normacot Road it > puts you between the Tam O'Shanter Pub and Lockets lane so like you said > they didnt move far, but when looking at googl;e maps it looks like the > entries have been built over by industrial units - though one of the > buildings next to the Pub seems to have The words "Normacot Works" on > it. May be worth a photo > > Steve > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanls Peter and Janet for your suggestions, looks like I will have to make a trip to get it all sorted as I don't have local access to LDS records Theresa Sent from my smart phone

On 01/04/12 17:00, Barbara Gray wrote: > Thanks Steve, thats absolutely wonderful. I am sure my cousin can find it. > > In the 1901 census at 6 Uncle Toms Row was my grandmother Louise Cotton age > 15 with her mother Elizabeth and family. They were late in Prospect Place > so I would expect it to be in the same general area - they didn't move far! > > Regards > Barbara > > Barbara - according to the 1901 census Uncle Tom's Row is between 152 and 154 Normacot Road si it would be little more than an entry leading to a row of Potters cottages. If you go onto http://maps.google.co.uk/ and put in 152 Normacot Road it puts you between the Tam O'Shanter Pub and Lockets lane so like you said they didnt move far, but when looking at googl;e maps it looks like the entries have been built over by industrial units - though one of the buildings next to the Pub seems to have The words "Normacot Works" on it. May be worth a photo Steve