Swan Village is in West Bromwich parish Staffs and West Bromwich RD. There are two Swan villages 3 mile apart, one off Hill Top, the other west of Tipton by the Brum New road. Brian NICHOLLS Walsall MASON Walsall

Colin: All 3 places are very close, but right on complicated boundaries of county and Registration District. Mounds Green should be Rounds Green, and is in Oldbury parish, Worcestershire, but West Bromwich RD. Swan Village is in West Bromwich parish Staffs and West Bromwich RD. Brades Village is in Rowley Regis parish Staffs, Dudley RD. Best wishes Paul On 10 April 2012 20:29, Colin Williams <colin_williams1@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi List > > I have a census retune  with several of my  ancestors  on   they give  their places of  births as > > First one   gives   Mounds Green, Staffordshire,     Second one  Swan Village, Staffordshire and another  with  Brades Village, Staffordshire   dose anybody know  what part of Staffordshire  is this  and the  registration  district  if poss > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List I have a census retune with several of my ancestors on they give their places of births as First one gives Mounds Green, Staffordshire, Second one Swan Village, Staffordshire and another with Brades Village, Staffordshire dose anybody know what part of Staffordshire is this and the registration district if poss

Hi List As I am trying to reach as many people as possible I apologise for the cross-posts, hopefully there will not be too many of you upset by this. Recently on Trade Me in New Zealand I purchased a collection of glass plate negatives in hope these may be the lost collection of my AULD family. However this was not the case and before placing for sale again on Trade Me I would like to try and reunite them with their family. A very small selection of these photos and an email contact address can be found at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~scruffin/ Internet Explorer viewers may find the initial paragraph "drop caps" drop further than they do in Firefox, being no webpage expert I did not know how to overcome this. Thank you and again apologies for the cross-posting. Kind regards Glennis

In my family, one of my grandmothers and the son of my step 2G grandmother were illegitimate. In both cases, there were no details of the father at all, although my step 2G grandmother gave her son the 2 christian names, and surname as a middle name, of the son of a local squire. The child was baptised about 18 months later, two hundred miles away, and the squire's son was noted as the supposed father. On 06/04/2012 01:01, Peter R Booth wrote: > Jane, > > How important is it? You know they lived together and had children. If > you don't already have her maiden name, look for her first marriage. > > It's going to be very difficult and if they never married, it's a futile > search. > > There's hundreds of possible deaths for Joseph Smith in Staffordshire > between 1870-1880. You might be able to narrow it down to 1871-1875 and use > his age from 1871 to fine tune the results. > > But once again, you know he died. And you've already looked without > success for a marriage between 1871-1875. > > Maybe you should purchase William's birth certificate and see if a > father is named. I'm not sure what happens if the mother isn't married. > > Peter > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All I am grateful for all sugestions in my search. I may never resolve the query, but that dosen't stop me burning the midnight oil. Thankyou everyone for your input. Jane

Not a problem Michael - all suggestions are valid. It's always difficult to furnish everyone with all the facts without boring everyone silly!! But brick walls are sooo frustrating:-) all the best, Anne > From: mcallisterfamily@btinternet.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 07:19:49 +0100 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Hugh Hughes > > Hi Anne, sorry for my ten-pen'uth, only came to the thread half way through. > Regards, Michael > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Anne Capewell" <alc_goytre@hotmail.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:50 PM > To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Hugh Hughes > > > > > Hi Mick, It is a poosibility but he would have been at least 34 by 1898 > > and had never been in the forces as far as we know. He would have been > > home by Nov 1902. We also know that my ggrandmother was 'lodging' with > > another man in 1901 - and both children born without a named father had > > this man's surname as their third name. This man died before my > > grandmother was born (she was the one born 1902) but she and her mother > > had continued to live in the same house where she was 'lodging' in 1901 > > after his death. Both children had my ggrandmother's married surname. > > Incidentally the man she was lodging with was also described as 'married' > > but I also cannot find his wife anywhere after 1891. Thanks for the > > suggestion but we have a fair idea what went on here!! cheers, Anne > > > From: mcallisterfamily@btinternet.com > >> To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:31:42 +0100 > >> Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Hugh Hughes > >> > >> Hi Anne et al, the reason father was absent could have been the Boer War, > >> 1898-1901. Father needed to be present at the registration for his name > >> to > >> go onto the birth certificate of a child. > >> HTH, Michael > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> From: "Anne Capewell" <alc_goytre@hotmail.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:12 PM > >> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> > >> Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Hugh Hughes > >> > >> > > >> > Hi Jane, My g grandmother married in 1888 - I have the cert. There are > >> > 3 > >> > children born to the couple before this date (the first in 1883) - all > >> > name the man she married as the father on the certs. They had (at > >> > least) 2 > >> > more children where he was named as the father. She then had 2 further > >> > children (in 1899 and 1902) where the name of the father was left blank > >> > on > >> > the cert. I have never found a death cert for her husband but she > >> > described herself as 'married' in 1901 (although hubby was absent). > >> > Your > >> > couple could have married at any time (if at all) and possibly not in > >> > Staffs - and possibly not with their real/full names. Good luck with > >> > this > >> > one! cheers, Anne > >> > > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:02:30 +0100 > >> >> From: hippojah@googlemail.com > >> >> To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > >> >> Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Hugh Hughes > >> >> > >> >> Hi Lin, Christine, > >> >> > >> >> Thanks for your thoughts on this. I haven't found a definite death for > >> >> Joseph yet, I was working on the gap between the change in children's > >> >> names > >> >> and as noted there are a few choices. Goodness only knows where he was > >> >> when > >> >> the census was taken. I have tried to search, but with so little > >> >> information and you have no idea how many Hugh HUGHES, I may never > >> >> sort > >> >> it > >> >> out. > >> >> > >> >> Never mind I will try, it took me two years to find my grandfather so > >> >> I > >> >> won't give up just yet. > >> >> > >> >> Thank you so much for your ideas, I'll keep searching and see what > >> >> comes > >> >> up. > >> >> > >> >> Many Thanks > >> >> > >> >> Jane > >> >> ****************************** > >> >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > >> >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > >> >> ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > >> >> ------------------------------- > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------- > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > ****************************** > >> > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > >> > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > >> > ARCHIVED > >> > MATERIALS. > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> > the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> ****************************** > >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > >> ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > >> ------------------------------- > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jane, How important is it? You know they lived together and had children. If you don't already have her maiden name, look for her first marriage. It's going to be very difficult and if they never married, it's a futile search. There's hundreds of possible deaths for Joseph Smith in Staffordshire between 1870-1880. You might be able to narrow it down to 1871-1875 and use his age from 1871 to fine tune the results. But once again, you know he died. And you've already looked without success for a marriage between 1871-1875. Maybe you should purchase William's birth certificate and see if a father is named. I'm not sure what happens if the mother isn't married. Peter

Bill, Just a last minute addition. Using Find My Past, I extracted from 1841, 1851, 1861 & 1871 every William Grice in Staffordshire born 1800-1820. Without looking at each original image, there is no consistency of age or residence for any of what looks like four or five individuals. So you would need to check spouses, children and occupations of each to make sure you have the right one. And don't rely on data from just one census to determine his age or birthplace. Peter.

Hi Peter and Jane, In answer to Peter's last point I have a family where the parents never married, or if they did they kept it extremely well hidden, and I have a birth certificate for one child which is just the same as if they were married. That is what I would expect if they presented themselves as husband and wife. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Peter R Booth Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 1:01 AM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Hugh Hughes Jane, How important is it? You know they lived together and had children. If you don't already have her maiden name, look for her first marriage. It's going to be very difficult and if they never married, it's a futile search. There's hundreds of possible deaths for Joseph Smith in Staffordshire between 1870-1880. You might be able to narrow it down to 1871-1875 and use his age from 1871 to fine tune the results. But once again, you know he died. And you've already looked without success for a marriage between 1871-1875. Maybe you should purchase William's birth certificate and see if a father is named. I'm not sure what happens if the mother isn't married. Peter ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill Besides GRICE as a Surname remember that "G" might have been the initials of a second name and that the actual surname was RICE That said I know there are GRICE families in the Cheadle Staffs area even today. Regards Bill -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter R Booth Sent: 05 April 2012 11:27 To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Help Bill, Please include name, date and location in your subject lines. Then you need to tell us where you've looked and all you've found. Family Search has only a couple of births for William Grice and three possible marriages, but suggests there are four possibilities in 1841. So my first query is how you know you have the right one? And as Michael pointed out, as well as a variety of birth places, there is no consistency of ages in census records. His birth seems to vary from 1802 - 1814. If you have found him in every census, you should know his wife's name. That could be a clue, as well as names of children. Have you found a marriage? Some local might be able to tell us if pre 1837 marriage PR's might show name of father. But he could also be non-conformist. A possible suggestion might be to search Ancestry Family Trees for William or any of his children. Peter ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill, Please include name, date and location in your subject lines. Then you need to tell us where you've looked and all you've found. Family Search has only a couple of births for William Grice and three possible marriages, but suggests there are four possibilities in 1841. So my first query is how you know you have the right one? And as Michael pointed out, as well as a variety of birth places, there is no consistency of ages in census records. His birth seems to vary from 1802 - 1814. If you have found him in every census, you should know his wife's name. That could be a clue, as well as names of children. Have you found a marriage? Some local might be able to tell us if pre 1837 marriage PR's might show name of father. But he could also be non-conformist. A possible suggestion might be to search Ancestry Family Trees for William or any of his children. Peter

Thanks Graham, more work ahead then:)

Hi Peter and all I have checked the 1871 and Joseph is still alive and they are living at Essington. Minnie was born at Brieley Hill and William was born at Bloxwich. I have checked both areas and no marriages. Both Joseph Jones and Hugh Hughes were miners so no help there and as for the 1911, as Hugh died in 1904 the 1911 doesn't give a length of marriage, although Caroline is down as a widow.. I have checked, Essington and Bushbury parish registers for a marriage but none found. I am really running out of ideas here. Given the strange circumstances surounding his death (a coroner listed it as natural causes and no violence) I sort of get the feeling that she may not have stayed with him had they not been married. Only conjecture though. Any other ideas out there I would be very glad to here them. In the mean time thank you all for your ideas. Thanks Jane

Jane, As somebody suggested they might never have married. However, there are certain fact that seem to be missing. When did Joseph Jones die? Was he in 1871 census. Looking at your data, a normal marriage would be between say 1870 (Minnie Jones) - 1875 (William Hughes). Is there any clue in William's birthplace? Secondly, what is the occupation of Hugh Hughes. Is he perhaps a migratory worker? What are his origins? Is it possible they married in Scotland or Ireland or even on a ship somewhere? Does 1911 give how long she was married even though now a widow? Peter

Hi, Many thanks to all the listers who have offered help and advice re my researches of William Grice and given me food for thought to eventually find his birthplace. Thanks again, Regards, Bill Grice.

Hi Anne, sorry for my ten-pen'uth, only came to the thread half way through. Regards, Michael -------------------------------------------------- From: "Anne Capewell" <alc_goytre@hotmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:50 PM To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Hugh Hughes > > Hi Mick, It is a poosibility but he would have been at least 34 by 1898 > and had never been in the forces as far as we know. He would have been > home by Nov 1902. We also know that my ggrandmother was 'lodging' with > another man in 1901 - and both children born without a named father had > this man's surname as their third name. This man died before my > grandmother was born (she was the one born 1902) but she and her mother > had continued to live in the same house where she was 'lodging' in 1901 > after his death. Both children had my ggrandmother's married surname. > Incidentally the man she was lodging with was also described as 'married' > but I also cannot find his wife anywhere after 1891. Thanks for the > suggestion but we have a fair idea what went on here!! cheers, Anne > > From: mcallisterfamily@btinternet.com >> To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com >> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:31:42 +0100 >> Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Hugh Hughes >> >> Hi Anne et al, the reason father was absent could have been the Boer War, >> 1898-1901. Father needed to be present at the registration for his name >> to >> go onto the birth certificate of a child. >> HTH, Michael >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Anne Capewell" <alc_goytre@hotmail.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:12 PM >> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Hugh Hughes >> >> > >> > Hi Jane, My g grandmother married in 1888 - I have the cert. There are >> > 3 >> > children born to the couple before this date (the first in 1883) - all >> > name the man she married as the father on the certs. They had (at >> > least) 2 >> > more children where he was named as the father. She then had 2 further >> > children (in 1899 and 1902) where the name of the father was left blank >> > on >> > the cert. I have never found a death cert for her husband but she >> > described herself as 'married' in 1901 (although hubby was absent). >> > Your >> > couple could have married at any time (if at all) and possibly not in >> > Staffs - and possibly not with their real/full names. Good luck with >> > this >> > one! cheers, Anne >> > > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:02:30 +0100 >> >> From: hippojah@googlemail.com >> >> To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com >> >> Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Hugh Hughes >> >> >> >> Hi Lin, Christine, >> >> >> >> Thanks for your thoughts on this. I haven't found a definite death for >> >> Joseph yet, I was working on the gap between the change in children's >> >> names >> >> and as noted there are a few choices. Goodness only knows where he was >> >> when >> >> the census was taken. I have tried to search, but with so little >> >> information and you have no idea how many Hugh HUGHES, I may never >> >> sort >> >> it >> >> out. >> >> >> >> Never mind I will try, it took me two years to find my grandfather so >> >> I >> >> won't give up just yet. >> >> >> >> Thank you so much for your ideas, I'll keep searching and see what >> >> comes >> >> up. >> >> >> >> Many Thanks >> >> >> >> Jane >> >> ****************************** >> >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >> >> ARCHIVED MATERIALS. >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > ****************************** >> > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >> > ARCHIVED >> > MATERIALS. >> > ------------------------------- >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >> ARCHIVED MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you considered the marriage you want did not exist? De facto relationships existed then possibly as much as now p but were not talked about. Also, bigamy was the normal person's divorce - THAT was so hard to get and SO VERY expensive, perhaps only the riytal family and it's associates could really avail themselves of the possibility. My grandmother's sister Lizzie let the family think she was Mrs Clark and that Georgie (Cockhill) was illegitimate to her before marriage. In fact, I have the marriage cert for her to William cockhill, and Georgie was not even a short pregnancy after that - and she was with William and Georgie and William's family in 1901 census. But she had about six or seven children, starting about 1906, to Mr Clark.. and William Cockhill was with another lady, a baby, and also - Georgie! in 1911 census. Lizzie was with the Clark lot - nuclear family, but a large one. William died 1912 - the kids kept coming - all registered at birth as Cockhill (and died that way too, including Mum) where the informant was Mr Clark and father unknown OR William Cockhill. No marriage found for either Mr or Mrs Cockhill to the new partners, either. Those children married as Clark though - and obviously found out later, as the other name is penciled in at the bottom of the relevant pages of the registers. AND, to cap it all off, I have made contact with the owner of the farm where they worked - same family and it is now a farm stay place - and this guy remembers his grandfather talking about the Clarks, said they were NOT married but no-one mentioned that, and in fact my correspondent is a godparent to a Clark grandchild. Nedxt trip, I am going to stay at his accommodation place! Mind you, Grandma's (and Lizzie's) father married seven times - the first (from whence I derive), he lied about his age saying he was 21 when he was not - and the other six (so far found) were bigamous. Henry BERNHARDT of anyone has i=him in family legend - each marriage was in a different bit of England - he went also by the name Harry - and his full h=name was John Henry Thomas BERNHARDT but in our family stories, he was always Henry and I have only this last twelve months found the rest of it. Dawn (Melbourne Australia) -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jane hughes Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2012 1:55 AM To: staffordshire Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Hugh Hughes Dear Listers I wonder if someone could help me with a complicated query. I am trying to track down the marriage of Caroline JONES (nee BATE) to Hugh HUGHES (possible middle name William). Hugh died in 1904 at Essington, aged approximately 58 years, which brings his birth year to around 1846, place unknown. Caroline was married to a Joseph JONES in 1868 in PENSNETT, Staffs and they had two children Agnes and Minnie, the youngest being born in 1870. By 1875 she is married to Hugh HUGHES and living in Essington they have two children William (born 1875) and Hugh (born 1880) HUGHES. I have tried in vain to find a marriage for these two but am unable. To make things worse he is missing from both the 1881 and 1891 census records, although she is listed as married. I have tried Ancestry, Freebmd, Familysearch etc etc and am totally stuck. Can anyone help, or suggest somewhere else I may look. I would appreciate any help. Thanks Jane ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7028 (20120404) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7028 (20120404) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Thanks very much, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harrison Genealogy" <bill@harrisongenealogy.co.uk> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Old maps/Street names/numbers > Linda > > The lists are on Steve Birk's site (potteries.org) it can be found at > .... > > http://www.thepotteries.org/streets/renaming.htm > > The BMSGH have a north Staffs branch who meet on the 1st Monday in the > month > except when it's a Bank Holiday then it's the 2nd Monday. > > Details of the branch, map etc can be found on their website at .... > > http://www.bmsgh.org/branches/northstaffs/index.html > > NB - If you are intending to do any research at any of the Archives in the > area then you MUST make an appointment before you attend. > > Check out the link below ... > > http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/leisure/archives/homepage.aspx > > If you have any further questions just get back .... see below for > details > > Regards > > Bill > > > ======================================================================== > * This Mail was sent WITHOUT attachments* > Bill Harrison's Genealogy Pages can be found online > at http://www.harrisongenealogy.co.uk > > Also BMSGH Webmaster - URL = http://www.bmsgh.org > > Also Webmaster of The Staffordshire BMD which can be found at > http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk > and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk > ======================================================================== > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lindahenk > Sent: 02 April 2012 22:09 > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Old maps/Street names/numbers > > Thanks seems I've got some more research to do! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "New Englander" <new.englander@verizon.net> > To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Old maps/Street names/numbers > > >> Linda: >> >> You'll also need to consider that street numbers may change or get >> renumbered over time == US, elsewhere. >> >> Marilyn >> DC >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "lindahenk" <lindahenk@quicknet.nl> >> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 11:13 AM >> Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Old maps >> >> >>> Hi Barbara , >>> Where did you get the list of renamed streets please?We plan to visit >>> Staffs >>> England in July my family also originates from Longton ,Burslem, >>> Wolstanten >>> area.I'd never thought the street names might have changed. >>> Linda. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Barbara Gray" <barbarajgray8@gmail.com> >>> To: "Staffordshire" <STAFFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 4:03 PM >>> Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Old maps >>> >>> >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> I will be visiting Stoke on Trent later this month and want to try and >>>> find >>>> some of the places my ancestors lived in the Longton/Normacot end of >>>> town. >>>> >>>> I have a list of renamed streets to help with the ones that are still >>>> there, but some no longer exist and wondered if there was a detailed >>>> map >>>> of >>>> the area so I can at least see roughly where they were. >>>> >>>> I did grow up in the Potteries and have a cousin who can navigate round >>>> all >>>> the changes since my day! 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Hi Mick, It is a poosibility but he would have been at least 34 by 1898 and had never been in the forces as far as we know. He would have been home by Nov 1902. We also know that my ggrandmother was 'lodging' with another man in 1901 - and both children born without a named father had this man's surname as their third name. This man died before my grandmother was born (she was the one born 1902) but she and her mother had continued to live in the same house where she was 'lodging' in 1901 after his death. Both children had my ggrandmother's married surname. Incidentally the man she was lodging with was also described as 'married' but I also cannot find his wife anywhere after 1891. Thanks for the suggestion but we have a fair idea what went on here!! cheers, Anne > From: mcallisterfamily@btinternet.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:31:42 +0100 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Hugh Hughes > > Hi Anne et al, the reason father was absent could have been the Boer War, > 1898-1901. Father needed to be present at the registration for his name to > go onto the birth certificate of a child. > HTH, Michael > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Anne Capewell" <alc_goytre@hotmail.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 7:12 PM > To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Hugh Hughes > > > > > Hi Jane, My g grandmother married in 1888 - I have the cert. There are 3 > > children born to the couple before this date (the first in 1883) - all > > name the man she married as the father on the certs. They had (at least) 2 > > more children where he was named as the father. She then had 2 further > > children (in 1899 and 1902) where the name of the father was left blank on > > the cert. I have never found a death cert for her husband but she > > described herself as 'married' in 1901 (although hubby was absent). Your > > couple could have married at any time (if at all) and possibly not in > > Staffs - and possibly not with their real/full names. Good luck with this > > one! cheers, Anne > > > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:02:30 +0100 > >> From: hippojah@googlemail.com > >> To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Hugh Hughes > >> > >> Hi Lin, Christine, > >> > >> Thanks for your thoughts on this. I haven't found a definite death for > >> Joseph yet, I was working on the gap between the change in children's > >> names > >> and as noted there are a few choices. Goodness only knows where he was > >> when > >> the census was taken. I have tried to search, but with so little > >> information and you have no idea how many Hugh HUGHES, I may never sort > >> it > >> out. > >> > >> Never mind I will try, it took me two years to find my grandfather so I > >> won't give up just yet. > >> > >> Thank you so much for your ideas, I'll keep searching and see what comes > >> up. > >> > >> Many Thanks > >> > >> Jane > >> ****************************** > >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > >> ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > >> ------------------------------- > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message