Just giving this thread a sensible subject line. Help Please is what we all want.   Mike Fisher in Droitwich >________________________________ >

Please see attached link for details of records held at Stoke-on-Trent and at Staffordshire Archive Service http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/Resources/Documents/n/NCReg200809REVISIONwebready.pdf I looked at some of them a few years back - not the easiest to read! Sue

Thanks for the info Linda much appreciated ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Lamberg" <linlamberg@btinternet.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Help Please Colin that is Rounds Green not Mounds Green, which was in Oldbury, Worcs until 1844 then Staffordshire. Brades Village was Rowley Regis and Swan Village was West Bromwich. HTH Linda. ________________________________ From: Colin Williams <colin_williams1@btinternet.com> To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2012, 20:29 Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Help Please Hi List I have a census retune with several of my ancestors on they give their places of births as First one gives Mounds Green, Staffordshire, Second one Swan Village, Staffordshire and another with Brades Village, Staffordshire dose anybody know what part of Staffordshire is this and the registration district if poss ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.929 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4933 - Release Date: 04/12/12 19:34:00

Colin that is Rounds Green not Mounds Green, which was in Oldbury, Worcs until 1844 then Staffordshire.  Brades Village was Rowley Regis and Swan Village was West Bromwich. HTH Linda. ________________________________ From: Colin Williams <colin_williams1@btinternet.com> To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2012, 20:29 Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Help Please Hi List I have a census retune  with several of my  ancestors  on  they give  their places of  births as  First one  gives  Mounds Green, Staffordshire,    Second one  Swan Village, Staffordshire and another  with  Brades Village, Staffordshire  dose anybody know  what part of Staffordshire  is this  and the  registration  district  if poss ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sure thing. So far not a single Thomas. -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Wright Sent: 13 April 2012 03:35 To: Staffordshire RootsWeb Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Abraham MOSS - Alstonfield - c1760 baptism If you happen to come across a Thomas MOSS born around 1750 let me know. He is the father-in-law of Sarah whose maiden name I'm trying to find. I also don't know the parents of Thomas MOSS. Michael Wright 801-773-7680 (H) 801-390-0960 (C) rahmuss@hotmail.com > Looking through the Parish Register transcripts of Alstonefield , > there do not appear to be any MOSS baptisms or burials BUT there do > appear to be a multitude of MOSS marriages. Listed below are what > could be the relevant ones in your search for Abraham's parents: > > 11 November 1733 Isaac MOSS & Sarah SALT > 15 August 1741 Elias MOSS & Sarah MILNER > 7 May 1748 Abraham MOSS & Mary BRUNT > 9 July 1751 John MOSS & Eliz. LOMAS > 15 April 1755 Abraham MOSS & Mary GOODWIN in presence of > Micah BENITT & Joseph HUDFIELD > 24 August 1757 Jacob MOSS & Anne WARDLE of Hartington > 3 May 1758 Luke MOSS & Mary LOMAS in presence of John MOSS > > & Geo LOMAS > 13 September 1759 John MOSS & Kezia MOTTRAM in presence of Wm WOOD & > Ezekiel WOOD > 1 January 1765 Joseph MOSS & Eliz. BESWICK > ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, thanks Janet. The Hollinsclough site has baptisms from 1744 and I realised then that they existed. Just a matter of accessing them. I've targeted 5 marriages, and identified that 3 of them lived in the Hollinsclough area. So they are my priority now. All the best. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Booth Sent: 12 April 2012 21:15 To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Abraham MOSS - Alstonfield - c1760 baptism Kevin, According to Genuki's page for Quarnford, the parish registers of Baptisms and Burials start from 1744 and are deposited at Staffordshire Record Office. The Bishop's Transcripts start from 1795 and are deposited at Lichfield Record Office. It sounds as though the LDS have only filmed the BT's and you would therefore have to go To Staffs RO at Stafford or send an enquiry to them via email re Abraham's baptism. Janet The LDS site www.familysearch.org has several batches of baptisms for Quarnford and many MOSS ones amongst them. Sadly they are from 1795 onwards. I checked the Library Catalog and they only have Bishop's Transcripts from 1795 to 1856. All filmed. So not sure when baptisms commenced at Quarnford. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Eric, I have 3 families in particular Parker (lived in Hanley) between 1841 and 1848 Pickford - Hanley between 1864 and 1869 and Stoke from 1871 to 1886 Lea – Stoke 1894 and then Newcastle from 1897 to 1917 I know that my great grandparents were both in the Choir at Bethesda Chapel in the 1860’sand I know that my grandparents were married at the Wesleyan Chapel, Newcastle under Lyme in 1892. Of course I have much more detail than I have given you, but hopefully the above will give you an indication of the dates and places I am interested in. Any help you can give me would be most gratefully received. If you know of any registers that exist, I would be more than happy to pay a professional researcher to do the work for me. Cheers, Diana On 12 April 2012 19:55, Eric Harrison <eric.harrison@btinternet.com> wrote: > Diana, I was baptised a Prinitive Methodist and still have my certificate > (1947) 'Talke Pits' in the Newcastle-under-Lyme Methodist Circuit. > > What names and dates are you looking for? > > Also - some Methodist Churches/Chapels had their own Burial Grounds and > registers, Kidgrove methodist's have one (Attwood Street) where many of > mine > are buried. > > > Regards - Eric > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "thalauafu" <dmlfamilyhistory@gmail.com> > To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:21 AM > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Stoke on Trent/Newcastle > Non-ConformistRegisters > > > > It would be good to know if any records are still held, even though I > > would > > not have access to them from this part of the world, but if they are > still > > in existence then I will live in hope that they might become available on > > line one day in the future. So if you could find your list and have a > > look > > for me Jan I would very much appreciate it. Diana > > > > On 12 April 2012 18:37, Jan Rockett <jan.rockett@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > >> I might be wrong here but back in the day of me visiting local archives > I > >> think the records for the Wesleyan Chapel records are at Newcastle under > >> Lyme Library (Archives) on microfilm. I may be wrong and my list of > >> holdings > >> is packed away somewhere. I shall look later./ > >> The thing to remember here is that records do get lost, some destroyed > >> and > >> some simply are not on line. We tend to think everything is nowadays and > >> the > >> fact is they aren't. > >> > >> Jan > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: thalauafu > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:43 PM > >> To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Stoke on Trent/Newcastle Non-Conformist > >> Registers > >> > >> I have a large number of relations including my father , grandparents > and > >> great grandparents whom I know to have been non-conformists. All were > >> born > >> in the Hanley/ Stoke/Newcastle area but I have not been able to find any > >> of > >> their baptisms. Can anyone please tell me if they are on-line anywhere, > >> and maybe explain why they do not appear in the non-conformist records > on > >> Family Search? I would love to find these for my records. Thanking you > >> > >> Diana in Tropical Far North Queensland > >> ****************************** > >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > >> apply > >> to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > >> MATERIALS. > >> ------------------------------- > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ****************************** > >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > >> ARCHIVED > >> MATERIALS. > >> ------------------------------- > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It would be good to know if any records are still held, even though I would not have access to them from this part of the world, but if they are still in existence then I will live in hope that they might become available on line one day in the future. So if you could find your list and have a look for me Jan I would very much appreciate it. Diana On 12 April 2012 18:37, Jan Rockett <jan.rockett@ntlworld.com> wrote: > I might be wrong here but back in the day of me visiting local archives I > think the records for the Wesleyan Chapel records are at Newcastle under > Lyme Library (Archives) on microfilm. I may be wrong and my list of > holdings > is packed away somewhere. I shall look later./ > The thing to remember here is that records do get lost, some destroyed and > some simply are not on line. We tend to think everything is nowadays and > the > fact is they aren't. > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: thalauafu > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:43 PM > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Stoke on Trent/Newcastle Non-Conformist Registers > > I have a large number of relations including my father , grandparents and > great grandparents whom I know to have been non-conformists. All were born > in the Hanley/ Stoke/Newcastle area but I have not been able to find any of > their baptisms. Can anyone please tell me if they are on-line anywhere, > and maybe explain why they do not appear in the non-conformist records on > Family Search? I would love to find these for my records. Thanking you > > Diana in Tropical Far North Queensland > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Janet The LDS site www.familysearch.org has several batches of baptisms for Quarnford and many MOSS ones amongst them. Sadly they are from 1795 onwards. I checked the Library Catalog and they only have Bishop's Transcripts from 1795 to 1856. All filmed. So not sure when baptisms commenced at Quarnford. I think you're on the right track though. I need to search surrounding parishes to find my Abraham's baptism, as it clearly didn't take place in St Peter, Alstonfield. Regards Kevin -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Booth Sent: 11 April 2012 21:49 To: STAFFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Abraham MOSS - Alstonfield - c1760 baptism Hello Kevin, Looking through the Parish Register transcripts of Alstonefield , there do not appear to be any MOSS baptisms or burials BUT there do appear to be a multitude of MOSS marriages. Listed below are what could be the relevant ones in your search for Abraham's parents: 11 November 1733 Isaac MOSS & Sarah SALT 15 August 1741 Elias MOSS & Sarah MILNER 7 May 1748 Abraham MOSS & Mary BRUNT 9 July 1751 John MOSS & Eliz. LOMAS 15 April 1755 Abraham MOSS & Mary GOODWIN in presence of Micah BENITT & Joseph HUDFIELD 24 August 1757 Jacob MOSS & Anne WARDLE of Hartington 3 May 1758 Luke MOSS & Mary LOMAS in presence of John MOSS & Geo LOMAS 13 September 1759 John MOSS & Kezia MOTTRAM in presence of Wm WOOD & Ezekiel WOOD 1 January 1765 Joseph MOSS & Eliz. BESWICK However, another clue for you may be via the National Burial Index which shows various burials at Quarnford, which is an ancient chapelry of Alstonefield, amongst which are several for an Abraham MOSS between 1762 & 1819, Elias MOSS between 1775 & 1824, Isaac MOSS between 1759 & 1823, John MOSS between 1759 & 1833 & Joseph MOSS 1762 & 1821 plus sundry wives and children presumably. All these burial names appear in the marriages which I have listed above so I am pretty certain that they did in fact live in Quarnford. The burials can be viewed on FMP which is a pay to view site. Given the strongly biblical forenames, could it be that the MOSS family were non-conformist which would explain why only the marriages appear in Alstonefield. Looking at one of the burials in more detail, it shows the burial of an Abraham MOSS on 26 October 1819 at Quarnford, aged 71, dedication at Flash Chapel. A Google search for Flash Chapel Quarnford states that it was built on half an acre of land in 1744 but that it was Church of England and the parish registers (Baptisms 1744-1847 & Burials 1744-1870) are deposited at Staffs Record Office, so it looks as if they did not perform marriages there which would explain why all the MOSS marriages were at Alstonefield. I'm afraid I can't help with Quarnford Baptisms or perhaps I can. Searching for Quarnford Parish Registers brings up the following site which might be helpful to you (www.hollinsclough.org.uk and click on Local History). It is not a complete list of the parish registers but only those residing at Hollinsclough, but there are several MOSS baptisms, etc amongst them the baptism of an Abraham MOSS on 6 December 1747 son of Elias & Sarah - might be a bit early for your Abraham but the site could be worth further investigation on your part as there is a lot more information other than the registers. Hope this helps Janet I have a marriage of Abraham MOSS to Elizabeth LAPTHORNE in Totnes, Devon in 1784. The marriage register entry states that Abraham was 'of Alstonfield, Staffordshire'. Whilst that doesn't mean he was born or baptised there, I would like to know if there is a baptism circa 1760, but possibly 1750 to 1763. I have no information regarding his age or parents' names, sorry. Still do not know when and where he died/was buried. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Archive.org does have a second volume that runs from 1715 to 1750. It's volume 4. Wish there was a volume 5, from 1750 to 1812 perhaps :-) -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pam Hurley Sent: 11 April 2012 20:27 To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Abraham MOSS - Alstonfield - c1760 baptism There is a partial register at: http://archive.org/details/alstonfieldparis03alst A search of the site may reveal others. Best wishes, Pam. On 11/04/2012 06:08, Kevin Walker wrote: > Dear List > > I have a marriage of Abraham MOSS to Elizabeth LAPTHORNE in Totnes, > Devon in 1784. The marriage register entry states that Abraham was 'of > Alstonfield, Staffordshire'. Whilst that doesn't mean he was born or > baptised there, I would like to know if there is a baptism circa 1760, > but possibly 1750 to 1763. I have no information regarding his age or parents' names, sorry. > Still do not know when and where he died/was buried. > > I have contacted Staff/Birm FHS and note that microfiche exist for > this parish. I have asked about transcriptions on CD, and have no > answer to my requests. I have also asked a volunteer for a lookup, with the same result. > > Would any Lister have access to the Alstonfield baptisms, and be > willing to check for this name please? I'd be most grateful to know if > Abraham might have been baptised in Alstonfield. > > Kind regards > Kevin > Auckland, NZ > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lori, Sadly our local LDS family history centre is no longer open to non Church members. We can view their films through the local FHS but their rooms are up two flights of stairs, and being of very limited mobility, I cannot attend to order or view the films any more, hence my wish to learn if any are on-line. Thanks for the info anyway, it is much appreciated. Diana On 12 April 2012 13:27, Lin Lamberg <linlamberg@btinternet.com> wrote: > Most Non Conformist Parish Registers have been lost over time, that's why > we all have trouble finding baptisms. Most of the time they do not exist. > > Linda. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Sandra, have a picture of the Wesleyan Chapel in Newcastle under Lyme (?? Lower Street??) . It appears to be large and quite fancy, so I suspect there would have been a local Minister permanently there. This is where my grandparents were married (according to their marriage certificate).in 1892.The Chapel was apparently built in 1799 and demolished around 1960 . I have never heard of baptism being an 'in favour/out of favour' thing, but always understood it was considered very important to baptise children as soon as possible after their birth, in case they died without having been accepted into their Church! Not having had a Chapel upbringing (I was C of E) I really don't know much about it. Diana On 12 April 2012 11:55, Sandra <slewi4@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Some of mine from Northumberland were Wesleyan Methodists and did baptise > their babies. See IGI Batch number C15565-1. > > Maybe there was no Wesleyan Methodist Minister in your area at that time, > or > maybe infant baptism was out of favour with the local minister. > > Sandra > > -----Original Message----- > From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Webb > Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012 10:16 AM > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Stoke on Trent/NewcastleNon-Conformist > Registers > > I THINK Methodists in general did have baptism - not sure about infants > though. Are you sure all the prs/con-conformist records are on line for > the > region you want? I know what they say, but so often they have bits and > call > it - baptisms from 1800-1837 but digging deeper shows they have ten in > 1800, > a handful elsewhere, and a lot in perhaps 1826! The Wesleyan Methodists - > I > know less abut them. It would be worth googling it and seeing what they > have - in fact I am off to do that right now! > > Dawn > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Some of mine from Northumberland were Wesleyan Methodists and did baptise their babies. See IGI Batch number C15565-1. Maybe there was no Wesleyan Methodist Minister in your area at that time, or maybe infant baptism was out of favour with the local minister. Sandra -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Webb Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012 10:16 AM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Stoke on Trent/NewcastleNon-Conformist Registers I THINK Methodists in general did have baptism - not sure about infants though. Are you sure all the prs/con-conformist records are on line for the region you want? I know what they say, but so often they have bits and call it - baptisms from 1800-1837 but digging deeper shows they have ten in 1800, a handful elsewhere, and a lot in perhaps 1826! The Wesleyan Methodists - I know less abut them. It would be worth googling it and seeing what they have - in fact I am off to do that right now! Dawn

Diana, I was baptised a Prinitive Methodist and still have my certificate (1947) 'Talke Pits' in the Newcastle-under-Lyme Methodist Circuit. What names and dates are you looking for? Also - some Methodist Churches/Chapels had their own Burial Grounds and registers, Kidgrove methodist's have one (Attwood Street) where many of mine are buried. Regards - Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "thalauafu" <dmlfamilyhistory@gmail.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Stoke on Trent/Newcastle Non-ConformistRegisters > It would be good to know if any records are still held, even though I > would > not have access to them from this part of the world, but if they are still > in existence then I will live in hope that they might become available on > line one day in the future. So if you could find your list and have a > look > for me Jan I would very much appreciate it. Diana > > On 12 April 2012 18:37, Jan Rockett <jan.rockett@ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> I might be wrong here but back in the day of me visiting local archives I >> think the records for the Wesleyan Chapel records are at Newcastle under >> Lyme Library (Archives) on microfilm. I may be wrong and my list of >> holdings >> is packed away somewhere. I shall look later./ >> The thing to remember here is that records do get lost, some destroyed >> and >> some simply are not on line. We tend to think everything is nowadays and >> the >> fact is they aren't. >> >> Jan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: thalauafu >> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:43 PM >> To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Stoke on Trent/Newcastle Non-Conformist >> Registers >> >> I have a large number of relations including my father , grandparents and >> great grandparents whom I know to have been non-conformists. All were >> born >> in the Hanley/ Stoke/Newcastle area but I have not been able to find any >> of >> their baptisms. Can anyone please tell me if they are on-line anywhere, >> and maybe explain why they do not appear in the non-conformist records on >> Family Search? I would love to find these for my records. Thanking you >> >> Diana in Tropical Far North Queensland >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply >> to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >> ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found this - it is American though I do not think it makes much difference in this. Re Wesleyan Methodists. The Free Methodist Church of North America believes water baptism is commanded by Jesus Christ to signify acceptance of the benefits of the atonement of Jesus Christ. They believe Baptism is to be administered to believers, as declaration of their faith in Jesus Christ as Savior. They believe Baptism is a symbol of the new covenant of grace. They believe infants may be baptized since they are recognized as being included in the atonement. The parents or guardians must assure proper Christian training for the infant since they are not able to affirm the vows for themselves. Note the use of MAY when it talks about infant baptism. Could be interpreted as yes and no, and it may depend a bit on the local congregation and pastor! Dawn -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of thalauafu Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012 10:05 AM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Stoke on Trent/Newcastle Non-Conformist Registers The ones I am interested in were Wesleyan/Methodist but thanks for pointing this out Dawn. Maybe it applied to Wesleyans too, although why so many non-conformist records on Family Search? Surely some must have been Methodist/Wesleyans who were in very large numbers? Or maybe I have got it wrong! Cheers Diana On 12 April 2012 09:22, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Some non-conformists did not "do" baptisms - not infant ones anyway. Look > throughout their lives, not just for dates near births,. And, accept they > ay not every have been baptized. > > Dawn (who grew up a Baptist, ie adult baptism only) (Melbourne Australia) > > -----Original Message----- > From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of thalauafu > Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012 8:44 AM > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Stoke on Trent/Newcastle Non-Conformist Registers > > I have a large number of relations including my father , grandparents and > great grandparents whom I know to have been non-conformists. All were born > in the Hanley/ Stoke/Newcastle area but I have not been able to find any of > their baptisms. Can anyone please tell me if they are on-line anywhere, > and maybe explain why they do not appear in the non-conformist records on > Family Search? I would love to find these for my records. Thanking you > > Diana in Tropical Far North Queensland > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 7046 (20120411) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 7046 (20120411) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7046 (20120411) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7046 (20120411) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I had written, Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:29:12 >> *I* reckon that all these unemployed people on the >> dole (for which I pay) should earn their dole by doing >> transcriptions.... Rob wrote, Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:10:51 +0000 > One I transcribed showed an amazing 60 percent error > rate yet another had only 2 percent. O.K. - though I'm not sure how you get a %age rate... > To have people do this who really don't care is a waste > of time and effort. That doesn't matter - it is *their* "time and effort" they are wasting. An important side effect is that it would "get them off the streets" (and off the TV sofa), and just might foster an interest and a desire to do better next time. > Personally I would say join your local fhs and help them by giving a > couple of hours a week to transcribe. Do you ? But that is an entirely different story, and has nothing to do with what I wrote, which was about paying the unemployed to do it (no work, no dole). Frank Lockley wrote, Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:32:31 +0100 > you need to have people who have a genuine interest > to get decent transcribing done, That would be nice - but it's not essential. > or spend so much time checking the transcriptions > that you may as well do it yourself to start with. Absolutely not ! As a matter of routine, you have it transcribed twice, and then the results are compared automatically. If there is too much difference, you have it transcribed again - and again, as necessary. > Poor transcriptions are a waste of time Whose time ? And it's better than nothing > and reflect so badly on any > society/organisation that have published them Well, absolutely ! It would perhaps be foolish to publish without checking. On the other hand, publishing transcriptions together with scans, and welcoming corrections, is better than scans alone. But the topic was prompted by microFs, that are not available on line, not even as scans. Please don't re-post this entire message.

I THINK Methodists in general did have baptism - not sure about infants though. Are you sure all the prs/con-conformist records are on line for the region you want? I know what they say, but so often they have bits and call it - baptisms from 1800-1837 but digging deeper shows they have ten in 1800, a handful elsewhere, and a lot in perhaps 1826! The Wesleyan Methodists - I know less abut them. It would be worth googling it and seeing what they have - in fact I am off to do that right now! Dawn -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of thalauafu Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012 10:05 AM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Stoke on Trent/Newcastle Non-Conformist Registers The ones I am interested in were Wesleyan/Methodist but thanks for pointing this out Dawn. Maybe it applied to Wesleyans too, although why so many non-conformist records on Family Search? Surely some must have been Methodist/Wesleyans who were in very large numbers? Or maybe I have got it wrong! Cheers Diana On 12 April 2012 09:22, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Some non-conformists did not "do" baptisms - not infant ones anyway. Look > throughout their lives, not just for dates near births,. And, accept they > ay not every have been baptized. > > Dawn (who grew up a Baptist, ie adult baptism only) (Melbourne Australia) > > -----Original Message----- > From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of thalauafu > Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012 8:44 AM > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Stoke on Trent/Newcastle Non-Conformist Registers > > I have a large number of relations including my father , grandparents and > great grandparents whom I know to have been non-conformists. All were born > in the Hanley/ Stoke/Newcastle area but I have not been able to find any of > their baptisms. Can anyone please tell me if they are on-line anywhere, > and maybe explain why they do not appear in the non-conformist records on > Family Search? I would love to find these for my records. Thanking you > > Diana in Tropical Far North Queensland > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 7046 (20120411) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 7046 (20120411) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7046 (20120411) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7046 (20120411) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Kevin, According to Genuki's page for Quarnford, the parish registers of Baptisms and Burials start from 1744 and are deposited at Staffordshire Record Office. The Bishop's Transcripts start from 1795 and are deposited at Lichfield Record Office. It sounds as though the LDS have only filmed the BT's and you would therefore have to go To Staffs RO at Stafford or send an enquiry to them via email re Abraham's baptism. Janet The LDS site www.familysearch.org has several batches of baptisms for Quarnford and many MOSS ones amongst them. Sadly they are from 1795 onwards. I checked the Library Catalog and they only have Bishop's Transcripts from 1795 to 1856. All filmed. So not sure when baptisms commenced at Quarnford.

The ones I am interested in were Wesleyan/Methodist but thanks for pointing this out Dawn. Maybe it applied to Wesleyans too, although why so many non-conformist records on Family Search? Surely some must have been Methodist/Wesleyans who were in very large numbers? Or maybe I have got it wrong! Cheers Diana On 12 April 2012 09:22, Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Some non-conformists did not "do" baptisms - not infant ones anyway. Look > throughout their lives, not just for dates near births,. And, accept they > ay not every have been baptized. > > Dawn (who grew up a Baptist, ie adult baptism only) (Melbourne Australia) > > -----Original Message----- > From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of thalauafu > Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2012 8:44 AM > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Stoke on Trent/Newcastle Non-Conformist Registers > > I have a large number of relations including my father , grandparents and > great grandparents whom I know to have been non-conformists. All were born > in the Hanley/ Stoke/Newcastle area but I have not been able to find any of > their baptisms. Can anyone please tell me if they are on-line anywhere, > and maybe explain why they do not appear in the non-conformist records on > Family Search? I would love to find these for my records. Thanking you > > Diana in Tropical Far North Queensland > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 7046 (20120411) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 7046 (20120411) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I might be wrong here but back in the day of me visiting local archives I think the records for the Wesleyan Chapel records are at Newcastle under Lyme Library (Archives) on microfilm. I may be wrong and my list of holdings is packed away somewhere. I shall look later./ The thing to remember here is that records do get lost, some destroyed and some simply are not on line. We tend to think everything is nowadays and the fact is they aren't. Jan -----Original Message----- From: thalauafu Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:43 PM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Stoke on Trent/Newcastle Non-Conformist Registers I have a large number of relations including my father , grandparents and great grandparents whom I know to have been non-conformists. All were born in the Hanley/ Stoke/Newcastle area but I have not been able to find any of their baptisms. Can anyone please tell me if they are on-line anywhere, and maybe explain why they do not appear in the non-conformist records on Family Search? I would love to find these for my records. Thanking you Diana in Tropical Far North Queensland ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message