Hi again, Did you mean Acme Marls? They were certainly at Burslem - just do an internetr search and you will find loads. Not sure they were ever in Hanley - but then Hanley and Burslem are not that far apart. hth, Anne > From: alc_goytre@hotmail.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 13:44:03 +0100 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] District 1891 census > > > Hi Pam, > > Old Betty Plant's sweet factory is mentioned here http://www.thepotteries.org/potworks_wk/023.htm and here http://www.thepotteries.org/photo_wk/166.htm and here http://cosgb.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/old-betty-plants-ltd.html. > > Can't find anything anywhere for the other company. > > hth, Anne > > > > From: pambishop@ntlworld.com > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 21:15:27 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] District 1891 census > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > Do you know where Acnes (Insulators Hanley) was around the time of the war, > > also Old Betty Plants sweet factory? > > > > Pam > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pam, Old Betty Plant's sweet factory is mentioned here http://www.thepotteries.org/potworks_wk/023.htm and here http://www.thepotteries.org/photo_wk/166.htm and here http://cosgb.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/old-betty-plants-ltd.html. Can't find anything anywhere for the other company. hth, Anne > From: pambishop@ntlworld.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 21:15:27 +0100 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] District 1891 census > > Hi Steve, > > Do you know where Acnes (Insulators Hanley) was around the time of the war, > also Old Betty Plants sweet factory? > > Pam

Get the death cert! That should have the cause of death. Unless time is really of the essence, get it from the GRO - it is cheaper there. You may have to look it up first on other sites though to get the page and district numbers. If time really matters, you can get it through ancestry and they email you (if you ask, and pay extra I presume) the cert once they get it so it does save the postage time - that is, you get it in the mail anyway but have the info first. If a hospital was involved, MAYBE there will be some more options but privacy - and then, there is the distinct possibility that the actual medical records have been destroyed. Dawn (Melbourne Australia) -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Gillis Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2012 5:43 AM To: STAFFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Evelyn May Johnson This is not a Staffordshire request but thought someone might be able to help. I am looking for the cause of death for an Evelyn May Johnson who died March 1983, Worchester Park, Surrey, England. This is what I have found http://search.ancestry.com/browse/view aspx?dbid=7579&iid=ons_d19831az-0572&pid=50003530&ssrc=&fn=Evelyn+May&ln=Joh n on&St=g so far. Her son, who lives here in Canada, has been asked by his doctors to give them his family medical history and he does not know what took his mother at age 71. John. Now 70 himself, is rapidly loosing his hearing and the doctors wonder if it is genetic. He has been trying to get info from England quickly but no one else is in a hurry. Is there any place on line we could check? Debbie ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7196 (20120605) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7196 (20120605) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi Debbie. To purchase Evelyn's death certificate the information that you need is: Jan/Feb/Mar quarter 1983 District - Surrey Mid Eastern Volume 17 Page 0100 Her birth date was 4 May 1912. I hope this helps. Rona.                                                           ________________________________ From: Debbie Gillis <debbie.gillis@ns.sympatico.ca> To: STAFFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 5 June 2012, 20:42 Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Evelyn May Johnson This is not a Staffordshire request but thought someone might be able to help. I am looking for the cause of death for an Evelyn May Johnson who died March 1983, Worchester Park, Surrey, England. This is what I have found  http://search.ancestry.com/browse/view aspx?dbid=7579&iid=ons_d19831az-0572&pid=50003530&ssrc=&fn=Evelyn+May&ln=John on&St=g  so far. Her son, who lives here in Canada, has been asked by his doctors to give them his family medical history and he does not know what took his mother at age 71.  John. Now 70 himself, is rapidly loosing his hearing and the doctors wonder if it is genetic.  He has been trying to get info from England quickly but no one else is in a hurry. Is there any place on line we could check? Debbie ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 05/06/12 20:42, Debbie Gillis wrote: > http://search.ancestry.com/browse/view > aspx?dbid=7579&iid=ons_d19831az-0572&pid=50003530&ssrc=&fn=Evelyn+May&ln=John > on&St=g Debbie - that link doesnt work - but that said, there is no where on the net that he should be able to find out what his mother died of. He needs to order the death cert - even the notifiction in the local papers dont give a cause of death - just a form of words like "after a short/long illness....." Also do not rely on what any other family member says that the person died of ---- I have been down that route and found out some people have really vivid imaginations after looking at the official death certs. he should apply to the GRO using the ONLINE neta address :- http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp (his doctor / friends / relatives should be able to help him fill it in) They take credit card so no problem with money tansfers etc Death Details he will need are as follows : Evelyn May Johnson Birth: 4 May 1912 Death: Mar 1983 @ Mid Eastern, Surrey, England Volume 17 page 0100 Steve

Hi Steve, Do you know where Acnes (Insulators Hanley) was around the time of the war, also Old Betty Plants sweet factory? Pam -----Original Message----- From: Steve Stutcinskas Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:59 PM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] District 1891 census On 05/06/12 18:19, Pamela wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking on the census’s for when Hope Street Hanley appeared, does > anyone know which district on the census covered Hope Street Hanley in the > 1891 census please. > > Arnold Bennett was born in this street in 1867 so it should be there on > the 1871 census, what is the best place to find out which part covered > certain streets in any census. > > Thanks for you help > > Pam Pam at the front of every section of the census there is a coverage street identifying the area covered and the route the enumerator walked. Also note Hope Street is in the CIVIL parish of SHELTON, and ecclesiastical parish of HOPE. In 1851 Hope street is in HO/107/ 2005 folio 322 onwards In 1861 Hope street is split into 3 separated parts of RG9/1936 In 1871 Hope street is covered by RG10/2866 In 1891 Hope street is covered by RG12/2173 many different folios 80-82, 84, 102-107 and 109-111 1881 can be searched by street if you have access to the Morman discs - libraries do. Sources - 1851 and 1871 - BMSGH 1851 and 1871 index books and their census for those years. 1861 - Hanley Library street index - 1881 - Mormon church discs 1891 - I bought a copy of the Staffordshire Census from some company on the net and there was a street index with it Steve ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks again very much Steve you always come to my aid, I had been searching through the streets especially in the 1891 census knowing all of my lot were there anyway but just couldn't find Hope Street, I have full subscription for Ancestry and just for the 1911 on findmypast so will give it another try, my grandparents didn't buy No 81 (which I have the deeds for as the council demolished it in 1967) until 1921 but it would be nice to follow the history of the house back as it played a big part in our lives. thanks again Steve hope all is well with you, Pam Searching for BOULTON, BOSSONS and BARNETT in Hanley, Stoke on Trent. www.hudgill.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Stutcinskas Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:59 PM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] District 1891 census On 05/06/12 18:19, Pamela wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking on the census’s for when Hope Street Hanley appeared, does > anyone know which district on the census covered Hope Street Hanley in the > 1891 census please. > > Arnold Bennett was born in this street in 1867 so it should be there on > the 1871 census, what is the best place to find out which part covered > certain streets in any census. > > Thanks for you help > > Pam Pam at the front of every section of the census there is a coverage street identifying the area covered and the route the enumerator walked. Also note Hope Street is in the CIVIL parish of SHELTON, and ecclesiastical parish of HOPE. In 1851 Hope street is in HO/107/ 2005 folio 322 onwards In 1861 Hope street is split into 3 separated parts of RG9/1936 In 1871 Hope street is covered by RG10/2866 In 1891 Hope street is covered by RG12/2173 many different folios 80-82, 84, 102-107 and 109-111 1881 can be searched by street if you have access to the Morman discs - libraries do. Sources - 1851 and 1871 - BMSGH 1851 and 1871 index books and their census for those years. 1861 - Hanley Library street index - 1881 - Mormon church discs 1891 - I bought a copy of the Staffordshire Census from some company on the net and there was a street index with it Steve ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 05/06/12 18:19, Pamela wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking on the census’s for when Hope Street Hanley appeared, does anyone know which district on the census covered Hope Street Hanley in the 1891 census please. > > Arnold Bennett was born in this street in 1867 so it should be there on the 1871 census, what is the best place to find out which part covered certain streets in any census. > > Thanks for you help > > Pam Pam at the front of every section of the census there is a coverage street identifying the area covered and the route the enumerator walked. Also note Hope Street is in the CIVIL parish of SHELTON, and ecclesiastical parish of HOPE. In 1851 Hope street is in HO/107/ 2005 folio 322 onwards In 1861 Hope street is split into 3 separated parts of RG9/1936 In 1871 Hope street is covered by RG10/2866 In 1891 Hope street is covered by RG12/2173 many different folios 80-82, 84, 102-107 and 109-111 1881 can be searched by street if you have access to the Morman discs - libraries do. Sources - 1851 and 1871 - BMSGH 1851 and 1871 index books and their census for those years. 1861 - Hanley Library street index - 1881 - Mormon church discs 1891 - I bought a copy of the Staffordshire Census from some company on the net and there was a street index with it Steve

Will, Pre 1837 events will be in Parish records on the Family Search site. I found the 1820 christening of Thomas at Tipton there. Post 1837 events will be in civil registrations on the FreeBMD site. Depending when her first husband died, you might find Sarah's second marriage on either site. You suggest she lived beyond 1881. I'd recommend that you try to find her in every census. That will be a good indication of her second marriage. If you find that in civil registrations, you can order a certificate that will give her age and name of her father. That's the way to go. Peter

Hi, I am looking on the census’s for when Hope Street Hanley appeared, does anyone know which district on the census covered Hope Street Hanley in the 1891 census please. Arnold Bennett was born in this street in 1867 so it should be there on the 1871 census, what is the best place to find out which part covered certain streets in any census. Thanks for you help Pam

This is not a Staffordshire request but thought someone might be able to help. I am looking for the cause of death for an Evelyn May Johnson who died March 1983, Worchester Park, Surrey, England. This is what I have found http://search.ancestry.com/browse/view aspx?dbid=7579&iid=ons_d19831az-0572&pid=50003530&ssrc=&fn=Evelyn+May&ln=John on&St=g so far. Her son, who lives here in Canada, has been asked by his doctors to give them his family medical history and he does not know what took his mother at age 71. John. Now 70 himself, is rapidly loosing his hearing and the doctors wonder if it is genetic. He has been trying to get info from England quickly but no one else is in a hurry. Is there any place on line we could check? Debbie

Hi Janet Thank you very much indeed for your kind efforts on my behalf. Looking at what you have uncovered, things are starting to make a bit more sense: it may be that Sarah married 3 times in all - SKELTON-CHALLINGER-BUTTLER.  I shall put together what you and Peter have suggested, combine it with what I have already discovered, shake it up and see what falls out!  I feel an obsession coming on.... :-) Many, many thanks for kind assistance to a confused person! Best regards, Will

Hello Peter Thank you so much for your helpful pointers: I can get back to digging for Thomas with renewed hope! Best regards, Will

Hi Will, I think you will find, if you do as Peter suggests and trace back Sarah in the census records, that she is married to a Benjamin BUT(T)LER, a Shoemaker. They appear in the 1841/51/61 census records together living in Wednesbury. In the various census records, there are 2 son in laws shown with the name CHALLINOR/CHALLINGWORTH. IGI Family Search has the marriage at Tipton on 4 March 1833 of a Benjamin BUTLER & a Sarah CHALLINGER. They also have an extracted marriage record at Tipton on 19 May 1823 of a Sarah SKELDON & a Joseph CHALLINGEWORTH. None of which helps you to find Sarah's maiden name, but I wonder if a look at the actual parish records of Sarah's 2 marriages may give you a clue through names of the the witnesses. Janet Thomas senior seems not to have been around to see his son grow up and it appears that Sarah re-married to a Mr BUTLER or RUTTLER (she is named in the 1871 CR as Sarah RUTTLER and the 1881 CR as Sarah BUTLER; the ages tally and she is living with her son Thomas and his wife Ann) so I think I have given the wrong impression that BUTLER was her maiden name, for which I apologise. Again, I can't find a marriage for Sarah SKELTON/SHELDON/SKELDON to a Mr BUTLER/RUTTLER, so can't identify of which family Sarah may have been a part in the earlier CRs and not having her maiden name (under which she may have married Mr BUTLER/RUTTLER) doesn't help!

John, Check Janet Booth's posting. I'm sure she said Charles Clarke of Liverpool died 1822. Peter

Hello Peter Thank you very much for your help and thoughts. An instinct tells me that Thomas SKELTON/SKELDON/SHELDON had but a fleeting relationship with Sarah; I cannot find a marriage for the pair but have their son Thomas SKELTON's baptism down as 02 Jan 1820 in Tipton. (However, I have committed a cardinal sin in not making a note of the source - shame on me.) Thomas senior seems not to have been around to see his son grow up and it appears that Sarah re-married to a Mr BUTLER or RUTTLER (she is named in the 1871 CR as Sarah RUTTLER and the 1881 CR as Sarah BUTLER; the ages tally and she is living with her son Thomas and his wife Ann) so I think I have given the wrong impression that BUTLER was her maiden name, for which I apologise. Again, I can't find a marriage for Sarah SKELTON/SHELDON/SKELDON to a Mr BUTLER/RUTTLER, so can't identify of which family Sarah may have been a part in the earlier CRs and not having her maiden name (under which she may have married Mr BUTLER/RUTTLER) doesn't help! As for Thomas SKELTON b1820, I think he was living in Lichfield, STS, in 1841; he married an Ann BEAUMONT or PAINTER in 1843 in Dudley, but I can't find him in the 1851 CR. My direct family line moved from STS to DBY between 1881 and 1891, then to the Isle of Wight in the 1950's when my father was in the Royal Navy; again, I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression, I'm afraid I'm not very good at this.... Thanks once again for your kind help: I shall follow your advice and look at the surname lists and submitted trees for clues. Best regards Will

Hello Sue, Thank you very much for taking the trouble to look for Thomas SKELTON/SKELDON et al. The "c. 1790" for his baptism is a bit of a shot in the dark as I have no firm evidence for the date (in fact, I have no firm evidence for his existence, barring the fact that he fathered a son, Thomas junior!). The variants are many - you could virtually do "S*L*N" and come up with most of them! Thanks once again for your help, Best regards Will

Hi Janet Many thanks, at least it is sorted and you have found the burial of Mary who is I think the mother of Theodosia. We are slowing getting there. Thanks and much appreciated and no you are loosing it. Regards John John Lindley www.lindleyancestry.co.uk http://lindleyancestry.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Booth" <janet@boothworld.co.uk> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Clarke > Hi John, > > How strange. Yesterday, when I went into FMP, there were 2 burial records > for Charles CLARKE - the one I looked at showed exactly what I gave to > you. > Today, there are still 2 entries for Charles CLARKE but they both say the > same, which is what you have stated below, i.e Charles CLARKE, Guard of > Mail > Coach, Congleton. Either I am losing my marbles (always a possibility) or > the record I gave you has been replaced with the other since I looked at > it > yesterday. My apologies if I misled you. Originally, I just thought that > as he was a Mail Coach Guard he could have died whilst working away from > home but that no longer seems to matter as there is only the duplicated > record now available to view. > > Also the burial record of Mary COTTRELL is as follows: > > 21 July 1843 at St Mary Astbury Mary COTTRELL, died on 18 July 1843, > Congleton, Spinster, aged 77 > > Once again, my apologies. > > Janet > > > > > Hi Janet > > Can you double check the death date and the Abode of Charles Clarke aged > 37, > Mail Coach Guard. Is abode on the copy I have says Congleton > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John, How strange. Yesterday, when I went into FMP, there were 2 burial records for Charles CLARKE - the one I looked at showed exactly what I gave to you. Today, there are still 2 entries for Charles CLARKE but they both say the same, which is what you have stated below, i.e Charles CLARKE, Guard of Mail Coach, Congleton. Either I am losing my marbles (always a possibility) or the record I gave you has been replaced with the other since I looked at it yesterday. My apologies if I misled you. Originally, I just thought that as he was a Mail Coach Guard he could have died whilst working away from home but that no longer seems to matter as there is only the duplicated record now available to view. Also the burial record of Mary COTTRELL is as follows: 21 July 1843 at St Mary Astbury Mary COTTRELL, died on 18 July 1843, Congleton, Spinster, aged 77 Once again, my apologies. Janet Hi Janet Can you double check the death date and the Abode of Charles Clarke aged 37, Mail Coach Guard. Is abode on the copy I have says Congleton

Will, Looking at IGI baptisms there are children baptised in Deptford, Lewisham, Rotherhithe, Shoreditch, Leigh and Tipton. So there seem to be three or four couples producing children. Yet I can find only two recorded marriages with Thomas Skelton and Sarah combinations, neither of which is yours. So my guess is that records have either not been indexed, not survived or that they didn't marry. You say they moved to Derbyshire, Lincolnshire and Isle of Wight. Can you cite some evidence as there are no BDM or census records? I'm assuming they did not live to 1851 where census might show their birthplace. Even 1841 might show in or out of county. If you are simply looking for related researchers the place to look is submitted trees and surname lists. But it would be hard for anybody to get back that far, as like you, they would also struggle with lack of records. Peter