Hi all Can someone advise how to find a copy of the will of my aunt who died in 1992 in Stoke on Trent. I am trying to find her 2 grandsons who we have lost contact with. I know they were mentioned in her will. She was Emily Walley, formerly Eaton m/s Jervis. Also any advise on how to find living relatives when all you know is their names, date of births and the fact they moved to the London area as children and will now be in their 50s! Thanks Barbara

Hi Tom, This gives you some info http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/Forton/index.html#ChurchRecords. Unfortunately there is nothing yet on FreeReg. I did find this http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/Montford.html but couldn't find Webb on it. It might be worth going through some of the surrounding parishes. hth, Anne > From: gospeloak@hotmail.com > To: staffordshire-l@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 15:37:46 -0400 > Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Forton Parish > > > > > Is there anyone with knowledge of the parish of Forton on the Shropshire boarder and the parish records from this parish? I am trying to track down the origins of my 3x-gr grandfather John Webb. I know that, based on his age at death, he was born in 1779 or early 1780 and am relatively confident that he was born in Staffordshire. > > He married Hannah Withington, whose family was from Preston on the Weald Moors just a few miles from the Staffordshire boarder (Hannah was actually christened at High Offley in 1779) so I thought that it would be reasonable to assume that he may have come from one of the Staffordshire parishes close to the boarder. > > Tom > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is there anyone with knowledge of the parish of Forton on the Shropshire boarder and the parish records from this parish? I am trying to track down the origins of my 3x-gr grandfather John Webb. I know that, based on his age at death, he was born in 1779 or early 1780 and am relatively confident that he was born in Staffordshire. He married Hannah Withington, whose family was from Preston on the Weald Moors just a few miles from the Staffordshire boarder (Hannah was actually christened at High Offley in 1779) so I thought that it would be reasonable to assume that he may have come from one of the Staffordshire parishes close to the boarder. Tom

A nice collection of Staffordshire ancestry resources. http://sites.google.com/site/freebritishancestry/home/staffordshire Also a nice America website: http://sites.google.com/site/ancestryresearchfree/ Tillie

Yes thats them Jan -----Original Message----- From: Nuala Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 3:55 PM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Johnson family and Horninglow On 04/07/2012 15:14, Jan Rockett wrote: > > I am tearing my hair out trying to find something I have already found but > now cannot!! > I am looking for the marriage of Maria Baldwin and William Joseph > Simmonite > Johnson in 1870. In some census returns he goes by William, joseph or even > William Joseph. > They married in the Dec qtr 1870 in Staffordshire. > I am convinced that within the last 2 days I have found a record stating > their fathers names to be George. I know this to be true anyway but want > to > look at the record again but as luck would have it I can find nothing, not > even the marriage. > I know they lived in Horninglow but not where they married except > Staffordshire. > The record would have been on FMP or Family Search as I can see its format > in my head. > Problem is that the search engines only seem to pick up what they want. > This can be born out when doing an obvious search with exact detail as it > is > written only for no results!!!!! > Grrrrrrr > > Jan > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > 1870 3rd Q Burton on Trent 6b-555 BALDWIN, Maria & JOHNSON, William Joseph S This them? ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

yes I have found them, not seen the trees on Ancestry as I am very sceptical on whether they are correct or not. I have seen the transcription on the internet of the record and cannot remember where but think it was either FMP or Familysearch. Jan -----Original Message----- From: Richard Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 3:49 PM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Johnson family and Horninglow Hi Jan, Staffs FreeBMD gives the marriage as taking place in Horninglow. There are 2 public trees on Ancestry - one gives the parents of Maria as Henry George Baldwin & Frances Barber whilst the other gives the parents as George Baldwin & Frances Alcock. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Rockett" <jan.rockett@ntlworld.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 3:14 PM Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Johnson family and Horninglow > > > I am tearing my hair out trying to find something I have already found but > now cannot!! > I am looking for the marriage of Maria Baldwin and William Joseph > Simmonite > Johnson in 1870. In some census returns he goes by William, joseph or even > William Joseph. > They married in the Dec qtr 1870 in Staffordshire. > I am convinced that within the last 2 days I have found a record stating > their fathers names to be George. I know this to be true anyway but want > to > look at the record again but as luck would have it I can find nothing, not > even the marriage. > I know they lived in Horninglow but not where they married except > Staffordshire. > The record would have been on FMP or Family Search as I can see its format > in my head. > Problem is that the search engines only seem to pick up what they want. > This can be born out when doing an obvious search with exact detail as it > is > written only for no results!!!!! > Grrrrrrr > > Jan > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 04/07/2012 15:14, Jan Rockett wrote: > > I am tearing my hair out trying to find something I have already found but > now cannot!! > I am looking for the marriage of Maria Baldwin and William Joseph Simmonite > Johnson in 1870. In some census returns he goes by William, joseph or even > William Joseph. > They married in the Dec qtr 1870 in Staffordshire. > I am convinced that within the last 2 days I have found a record stating > their fathers names to be George. I know this to be true anyway but want to > look at the record again but as luck would have it I can find nothing, not > even the marriage. > I know they lived in Horninglow but not where they married except > Staffordshire. > The record would have been on FMP or Family Search as I can see its format > in my head. > Problem is that the search engines only seem to pick up what they want. > This can be born out when doing an obvious search with exact detail as it is > written only for no results!!!!! > Grrrrrrr > > Jan > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > 1870 3rd Q Burton on Trent 6b-555 BALDWIN, Maria & JOHNSON, William Joseph S This them?

Hi Jan, Staffs FreeBMD gives the marriage as taking place in Horninglow. There are 2 public trees on Ancestry - one gives the parents of Maria as Henry George Baldwin & Frances Barber whilst the other gives the parents as George Baldwin & Frances Alcock. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Rockett" <jan.rockett@ntlworld.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 3:14 PM Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Johnson family and Horninglow > > > I am tearing my hair out trying to find something I have already found but > now cannot!! > I am looking for the marriage of Maria Baldwin and William Joseph > Simmonite > Johnson in 1870. In some census returns he goes by William, joseph or even > William Joseph. > They married in the Dec qtr 1870 in Staffordshire. > I am convinced that within the last 2 days I have found a record stating > their fathers names to be George. I know this to be true anyway but want > to > look at the record again but as luck would have it I can find nothing, not > even the marriage. > I know they lived in Horninglow but not where they married except > Staffordshire. > The record would have been on FMP or Family Search as I can see its format > in my head. > Problem is that the search engines only seem to pick up what they want. > This can be born out when doing an obvious search with exact detail as it > is > written only for no results!!!!! > Grrrrrrr > > Jan > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am tearing my hair out trying to find something I have already found but now cannot!! I am looking for the marriage of Maria Baldwin and William Joseph Simmonite Johnson in 1870. In some census returns he goes by William, joseph or even William Joseph. They married in the Dec qtr 1870 in Staffordshire. I am convinced that within the last 2 days I have found a record stating their fathers names to be George. I know this to be true anyway but want to look at the record again but as luck would have it I can find nothing, not even the marriage. I know they lived in Horninglow but not where they married except Staffordshire. The record would have been on FMP or Family Search as I can see its format in my head. Problem is that the search engines only seem to pick up what they want. This can be born out when doing an obvious search with exact detail as it is written only for no results!!!!! Grrrrrrr Jan

Thanks, Ruth and Derek for your explanations of what has happened here. I didn't think of searching simply on "Brough", because it is such a common name in the Potteries, but of course I would have found "Juan". This doesn't explain why, when I did the search by place, I found the right page, but the Brough family wasn't transcribed - just 4 people called Wright, and 4 called "Leigh". Even worse, only the parents of the Wright family are on that page - the other two and the Leighs are actually on the next page of the enumeration book, so findmypast's 'place' search is still wrong. At least Ruth's search has shown that fmp does have the family - so now I can correct the father's given name. Thanks again, Graham

They've been indexed as Juan and Pricilla Brough and looking at the handwriting I can understand why. FMP won't change a transcription unless there's a clear error in interpretation of the enumerator's handwriting, irrespective of other evidence of what the names were. I prefer Ancestry's error reporting process which allows for multiple interpretations of a name to be made searchable. On 4 July 2012 10:11, Graham Pointon <graham_pointon@lineone.net> wrote: > Dear listers, > > I have reported that two whole families are missing from findmypast's > transcription of the page listed below. I was looking for a family > called BROUGH, with parents Lewis and Priscilla, and six children. A > search for this family gives a nil return, but I have previously found > them at that location (Bleak Hill, Burslem) from the Stepping Stones CDs > of the 1841 Census. When I did a location search for Bleak Hill on > findmypast, I found the page, and lo and behold, there were the Broughs > - and another family which I can't quite read. > > Can anyone explain why findmypast should now tell me that they are not > there? > > Puzzled, > > Graham > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Transcription error report > Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 23:29:51 +0100 > From: findmypast.co.uk <info@findmypast.co.uk> > Reply-To: support@findmypast.co.uk > To: graham_pointon@lineone.net > > > > Dear Graham Pointon > > We have reviewed the transcription changes that you have reported: > > Record set: 1841 census > Census reference: HO107 Piece:987 Folio:15/4 Page:6 > > After careful consideration we have decided that an amendment to the > transcription is not required. > > Our process in dealing with errors is to look at our transcription > alongside the original census image. If the transcription matches what the > enumerator wrote on the census, then we will not amend it as we aim to > provide you with an exact copy of the original census page. > > We hope you continue to enjoy using findmypast.co.uk. > > Kind regards, > Customer Services > findmypast.co.uk > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2171 / Virus Database: 2437/5109 - Release Date: 07/03/12 > > > > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Graham, I can only guess that the "transcription" they are looking at (if it is there) is different to what you were searching on. For example, I was searching for a MASH and couldn't find it. Low an behold it was there but under the transcribed name of WASH ! Transcribing 1000's of these old records is not an easy task and errors do happen. I know from experience!   The other thing is, the title of your email would suggest to me that you found the family but there were errors in the transcription. But you said the search gives "nil return"...... maybe they have misunderstood you.    I would ask them to send you a copy of the transcription page!   Regards Derek ________________________________ From: Graham Pointon <graham_pointon@lineone.net> To: Staffordshire List <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2012, 10:11 Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Fwd: Transcription error report - BROUGH 1841 Dear listers, I have reported that two whole families are missing from findmypast's transcription of the page listed below. I was looking for a family called BROUGH, with parents Lewis and Priscilla, and six children. A search for this family gives a nil return, but I have previously found them at that location (Bleak Hill, Burslem) from the Stepping Stones CDs of the 1841 Census. When I did a location search for Bleak Hill on findmypast, I found the page, and lo and behold, there were the Broughs - and another family which I can't quite read. Can anyone explain why findmypast should now tell me that they are not there?

Dear listers, I have reported that two whole families are missing from findmypast's transcription of the page listed below. I was looking for a family called BROUGH, with parents Lewis and Priscilla, and six children. A search for this family gives a nil return, but I have previously found them at that location (Bleak Hill, Burslem) from the Stepping Stones CDs of the 1841 Census. When I did a location search for Bleak Hill on findmypast, I found the page, and lo and behold, there were the Broughs - and another family which I can't quite read. Can anyone explain why findmypast should now tell me that they are not there? Puzzled, Graham -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Transcription error report Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 23:29:51 +0100 From: findmypast.co.uk <info@findmypast.co.uk> Reply-To: support@findmypast.co.uk To: graham_pointon@lineone.net Dear Graham Pointon We have reviewed the transcription changes that you have reported: Record set: 1841 census Census reference: HO107 Piece:987 Folio:15/4 Page:6 After careful consideration we have decided that an amendment to the transcription is not required. Our process in dealing with errors is to look at our transcription alongside the original census image. If the transcription matches what the enumerator wrote on the census, then we will not amend it as we aim to provide you with an exact copy of the original census page. We hope you continue to enjoy using findmypast.co.uk. Kind regards, Customer Services findmypast.co.uk ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2171 / Virus Database: 2437/5109 - Release Date: 07/03/12

I thought I would put this up in case anyone is researching this family. I found this notice, plus a headstone from St. Johns graveyard in Limerick on line. No 28. To the memory of John SMAILES. A Commercial traveller from Walsall in Staffordshire who died in this city September 5th 1849 after a short illness aged 49years. Robyn

Debbie, Further research with censuses and a bit of deduction strongly suggests that there was a Damsgate Hill in Repton and that it has now become Boot Hill or, perhaps, Brook End and Boot Hill combined. The early Priory Mill was fed by Repton Brook which was subsequently redirected to its current course farther away from Boot Hill, but speculation suggests that the Dam in Damsgate might refer to the Mill. The principal building there is the Boot Inn which has had many uses over the years including a boot and shoe makers - generally assumed to be the cause of the name of the road. When it changed is uncertain. Best wishes Andy Austen ----- Original Message ----- From: "austens" <austens@talktalk.net> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] DAMSGATE HILL in Burton upon Trent 1851 > Debbie, > > I live in Repton and am involved with the Village History Group. I suspect > you are looking for Danesgate - maybe a modern corruption of Damsgate. > > Sadly I have deleted your original enquiry, but we can provide maps of > various ages and so on. Danesgate is really an area of Repton on a hill on > the northern side of Well lane (if you have access to a modern map). The > land rises on both sides of Well Lane which itself runs uphill. So there > is > a distinct hill. > > Danesgate is the name of a rather lovely house - mostly Victorian now - on > that hillside and the home of The Auden family. > > Best wishes, > > Andy Austen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> > To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:41 AM > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] DAMSGATE HILL in Burton upon Trent 1851 > > >> Debbie, >> >> I presume you tried Google Maps or Multimap and, being an old >> location, >> it didn't show up. >> >> But you can also try a normal Google search. Use the Advanced Search, >> put the name in quotation marks, or simply ask "Where is Damsgate Hill?" >> >> I found this in Google:- >> >> Lichfield Record Office >> Records of Talbot & Co, solicitors of Burton upon Trent >> Various properties in Burton upon Trent and elsewhere >> messuage and land called Damsgate Hill, Repton, 1864; >> >> If you then search for Repton, you'll find it in current day >> Derbyshire >> about halfway between Burton on Trent and Derby. >> >> Another option is to look at census pages before and after your >> ancestors and find nearby street names and cross streets. >> >> Peter >> >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of >> ARCHIVED >> MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Debbie, I live in Repton and am involved with the Village History Group. I suspect you are looking for Danesgate - maybe a modern corruption of Damsgate. Sadly I have deleted your original enquiry, but we can provide maps of various ages and so on. Danesgate is really an area of Repton on a hill on the northern side of Well lane (if you have access to a modern map). The land rises on both sides of Well Lane which itself runs uphill. So there is a distinct hill. Danesgate is the name of a rather lovely house - mostly Victorian now - on that hillside and the home of The Auden family. Best wishes, Andy Austen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] DAMSGATE HILL in Burton upon Trent 1851 > Debbie, > > I presume you tried Google Maps or Multimap and, being an old location, > it didn't show up. > > But you can also try a normal Google search. Use the Advanced Search, > put the name in quotation marks, or simply ask "Where is Damsgate Hill?" > > I found this in Google:- > > Lichfield Record Office > Records of Talbot & Co, solicitors of Burton upon Trent > Various properties in Burton upon Trent and elsewhere > messuage and land called Damsgate Hill, Repton, 1864; > > If you then search for Repton, you'll find it in current day Derbyshire > about halfway between Burton on Trent and Derby. > > Another option is to look at census pages before and after your > ancestors and find nearby street names and cross streets. > > Peter > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All The Staffs BMD has been updated with the following records .... Births: 6,445 for Mayfield, registers at East Staffordshire (1844-1908) regards Bill ======================================================================== The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk

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Debbie, I presume you tried Google Maps or Multimap and, being an old location, it didn't show up. But you can also try a normal Google search. Use the Advanced Search, put the name in quotation marks, or simply ask "Where is Damsgate Hill?" I found this in Google:- Lichfield Record Office Records of Talbot & Co, solicitors of Burton upon Trent Various properties in Burton upon Trent and elsewhere messuage and land called Damsgate Hill, Repton, 1864; If you then search for Repton, you'll find it in current day Derbyshire about halfway between Burton on Trent and Derby. Another option is to look at census pages before and after your ancestors and find nearby street names and cross streets. Peter