In the 1960 I lived in Walsall, the wife had a aunt who lived 2 mile up the road in Moxley, I could not understand a word she said. So you may not have understood a word they said. Brian

Thanks a lot. Wonder what my ancestor sounded like after forty odd years in Canada afterwards! Nickie

Cheers Steve That was what I wanted to hear before arranging a couple of days research trip to try and identify which Thomas Taylor my great granda is and to try and extend and confirm some more generations. Looking for Taylors and Lee(s)s who can't write for themselves is a bit tricky, even if they do seem to be linked to a less common name like Corfield. Especially when they have the bad manners to get married after the 1871 census and then go missing by the 1881! Hopefully some research on the ground will help to drive a hole in my wall. Thanks to all who responded. Steve On 15/07/2012 22:39, Steve Stutcinskas wrote: > All - Nothing has moved from Stafford Archives to Newcastle Registrars > office ! > > Its only the Stafford Registrars records that have moved to Newcastle - > These are civil registrations and not parish records and have never been > housed in Stafford archives. It was not normal practice for people to be > able to browse the registrars records so nothing has changed. Other than > if you want a birth cert you apply to a different registrar. Exactly the > same thing happened with Staffordshire Moorlands when their registrars > books were moved to Newcastle. > > Stafford Archives, and Hanley archives are still very much worth > visiting as they hold as much about Staffordshire as I think there is > available. > > Steve >

Nickie it is Cray de lea. Hope that makes sense! <LOL> Linda.

Depends were you live, but as in "aid" is the posh one, still trying to think of a word for the broad version. Brian

Please can someone tell me how Cradley is pronounced. Is it Cradley as in "spade" or as in "bad" ? ! Thanks. Nickie

Rob That is NOT quite correct .... The Church has the original, a copy is made for the Registrars and one is made for the Couple themselves. Every quarter the Local Registrar makes a copy as a return to the GRO. EXCEPT When it is a Registry Marriage or one conducted by the Registrar - In this instance the Church does NOT have any copy at all. regards Bill Harrison Webmaster Staffs BMD and WestMidlands BMD -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of famh1story@aol.com Sent: 14 July 2012 20:22 To: abruce@madasafish.com; staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Records at Newcastle-under-Lyme? The church make three copies. One for the church one for local office and one for the gro quarterly returns Rob Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Adrian Bruce" <abruce@madasafish.com> Sender: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 20:14:20 To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: abruce@madasafish.com, staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Records at Newcastle-under-Lyme? <<snipped>> "26 November 2011 All Stafford Register Office registers have been moved to Newcastle-under-Lyme. Please ensure that all application forms are sent to the correct register office. " Does this mean that a visit to the Staffs Record Office in Stafford is no longer going to enable the searching of the various parish records? <<snipped>> Parish registers are totally different from the Registers used to record the Civil Registration of Births, Marriages and Deaths. The only cross-over between the two is for church marriages, where one copy is kept in the church and eventually ends up in a Record Office or similar, and the other copy (eventually) goes to the Local Register Office. The PRs will not be affected by this move. Adrian B ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Robert, your presentation on Wikipedia is very well presented, I really enjoyed seeing all the pictures. The only bit of information I can add is on Hannah Estop/Easthope who is mentioned in the Four Ways Book. She was Hannah Stringer born 1762 daughter of Samuel Stringer and Elizabeth Westwood. Samuel and Elizabeth had 10 children that I know of, they all attended Cradley Baptist Chapel. Hannah Married Henry Estop/Easthope. Henry died before 1841, Hannah lived to be 80 years old, and died in 1842 Foxoak Street. Can you enlighten me on Spinners End Meeting House please? As for John Fellows, I believe the one which Nickie found was older John, born about 1805, he is on the 1861 Census aged 56 in Cradley Heath, as a Chain Maker with an Apprentice, the Firm of 'Fellows Green & Co.' would more than likely be this John. Good luck with the Fund Raising, seems a lot of money to find! Best Wishes from Linda.

Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com Hi Adrian I agree with you and that was what my posting said. We used to have a register office in Droitwich but that has closed and I to register my mothers death at an office used by the registrar at Worcester Royal Hospital. Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com On 15/07/2012 21:39, Adrian Bruce wrote: > <<snipped>> > Mike, > I think you will find it is as it says: Register Office registers - not the > Parish Registers that you have always seen at the CRO. I think that these > are those that were previously held in the individual Record Offices (and as > such you will not have seen them directly - only getting a copy > certificate): these have now been consolidated at N-u- L I think. > > I stand to be corrected but this is my interpretation. I have certainly > looked at an original Parish Register at Stafford within the last month. > > John > <<snipped>> > I'm hoping that's what you meant because your first line seems to say this, > but on the other hand, what Mike wrote, read correctly to me. > > The parish registers from the churches go to the appropriate RECORD office. > So yes, the original parish registers are at Stafford and will remain there, > as you wrote. (Actually, you're quite lucky to see an original PR - the vast > majority are filmed and locked away except to serious users who can > demonstrate their need and ability to use them.) > > Sorry to labour this, but the original concern seems to have arisen from a > confusion between RECORD and REGISTER / REGISTRAR's office. Hence I'm being > perhaps a little over-sensitive to ensure clarity. > > Adrian > > > > >

Onecote was part of the Wetton And Longnor Methodist Circuit, which was split in 1969. (My father was Minister there from 1960 - 64.) Some Chapels closed, and the others were associated with three other Circuits - Ashbourne, Buxton, or Leek. So records would have gone in different directions In the nineteenth century (and up to 1929), there were both Wesleyan and Primitive Methodists in this area. The union in 1929 should have meant that both sets of records would be stored together, but that is not guaranteed. And because the Wetton and Longnor Circuit had only one Chapel in Derbyshire, that at Hartington, it is possible that some records have ended up in a Staffordshire archive, even for Chapels which were transferred to the Buxton or the Ashbourne Circuits. Onecote is nearer to Leek. Alstonefield (as has been said) went to the Ashbourne Circuit, and Longnor to the Buxton Circuit. Robert Higginson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harrison Genealogy" <bill@harrisongenealogy.co.uk> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Onecote > Michael > > If she lived in Alstonefield Parish AND if possibly she was a Methodist > then > you may need to look in DERBYSHIRE Record Office since that area was in > Ashbourne Circuit and that was in DERBYSHIRE. > > You will find ALL Methodist Registers in DERBYSHIRE Record Office at > Matlock. > > Regards > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Selman > Sent: 25 February 2012 20:40 > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Onecote > > Michael > > The Staffordshire Advertiser would not, I'm afraid, have recorded every > marriage in Staffordshire but just those it was paid to report on - > usually > by gentry and wealthier tradesmen. I seem to remember being very excited > at the prospect of consulting the index 20 years ago when I was starting > out - but I was sorely disappointed when I did! > > If you haven't done so already, you should consult the microfilms of the > original parish marriage and banns registers for Onecote, for Leek (its > parent parish where many Onecote marriages were probably held), for > Butterton (where George Moss was born), for Warslow (Elkstone is the > hamlet > in this parish where their eldest daughter, Elizabeth, was born) and for > Alstonefield (to check the residence of the George Moss who married > there). If this draws a blank, keep an eye on www.freereg.org.uk where > the > number of Staffordshire records is rapidly growing every month and > consider > purchasing a lookup in the Staffordshire Marriage Index ( > http://www.bmsgh.org/search/st_marr_Index.html). > > Ruth > > > > On 25 February 2012 19:03, Michael Wright <rahmuss@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Everyone, >> Thanks for all the info, glad to see there are very helpful people in >> this >> group. >> >> Peter, >> My focus is on trying to find out the maiden name of one of my ancestors >> born about 1795. Her name is Sarah, and her husband's name is George > MOSS. >> I know from the 1851 census that they were married, and know her age; >> but >> I cannot find any marriage certificate. There is a Sarah DEAVILLE who >> was >> born about that time in Alstonefield who we believe is likely the one > we're >> looking for; but we have been unable to forge that link yet. As you know >> the civil records for that area were not kept until 1837, and they were >> likely married around 1820. The Staffordshire Advertiser suppossedly >> recorded all marriages; but those records are not available online. Two > of >> the books which have been published by the Staffordshire Record Society >> called: "Staffordshire advertiser index to births, marriages and deaths, >> 1795-1820" (published in 1968) and "Index to births, marriages and >> deaths, >> 1821-1840" (published in 1986). Not sure which volume their marriage > would >> be in, and each book is ex! >> pensive, a bit more than I'd want to spend just to find one name >> (especially if I buy one and it's not in that one and have to buy the >> other). As far as I know the LDS church (who runs familysearch) has not >> received permission to digitize and index those records. So I was hoping >> that someone here may have those books, or access to those books. I'm >> going to check the Family History Library in Salt Lake City next week, if > I >> can spare the time, to see if they have those books. >> >> Linda, >> Yep, I learned that the hard way after looking through everything I could >> possibly think of. My dad and I (along with a cousin) have searched for >> Sarah's maiden name off and on for over five years now. This is the year > I >> will find it, I'm sure of it. >> >> Judy, >> I wonder why they included Pelsall and why they won't change it at this >> point. I guess it may take more work and / or be more inconvenient than > it >> sounds. I'll be sure to check that as I research names. >> >> Bill, >> That's your site? Very nice. I actually stumbled upon it a few days >> before you sent this message, so I've seen the photos. Someone also >> wrote >> down the names on the headstones (as much as could be read at least) so I >> also know that Sarah (wife of George MOSS) was buried there; but again it >> doesn't give her maiden name. Records do move around, which can be kind > of >> a pain; but I'm sure I'll find the information someday. (P.S. sorry you > got >> this twice Bill). >> >> Michael Wright >> 801-773-7680 (H) >> 801-390-0960 (C) >> >> >> > From: bill@harrisongenealogy.co.uk >> > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com >> > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:19:40 +0000 >> > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Onecote >> > >> > Michael >> > >> > There is a photo of Onecote St Lukes on my website >> > >> > www.harrisongenealogy.co.uk >> > >> > Also the parish registers for Onecote St Lukes are at The City Archives >> at >> > Stoke on trent.covering the following ... >> > >> > Bap 1755-1998 Mar 1863-1982 Bur 1755-1995 >> > >> > regards >> > >> > Bill >> > >>

I doubt that a Colliery Manager would need to, unless the partnership dated from before he became manager. His monument is on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cradley_Heath_Baptist_Church_04.jpg If it is him, this is a useful extra nugget of information. I have the 1876 - 89 Secretary's Book to hand - a lot of references to John Fellows, but not likely to include his business activities. Robert Higginson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nickie Johnson" <nickie@barnsoft.plus.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:06 AM Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] John FELLOWS - Cradely Heath > Worcestershire Chronicle 4 Aug 1883 : > > "Partnerships Dissolved: > > John Fellows, John Henry Green, and Robert Fellows, trading as Fellows, > Green, and Co., at Cradley Heath, Staffordshire, and Bromsgrove, nail, > chain, rivet, and anchor manufacturers." > > Might be the same John Fellows as the John Fellows, colliery manager of > Cradley Heath. > > Nickie > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Lin. I have that book, and some time I could do with copying it to CD for other people in CHBC. I have started an article on Wikipedia for CHBC (Four Ways Baptist Church), where you will find some photos of the building and some of the features of interest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradley_Heath_Baptist_Church I also need to get on with copying some of the original Minutes books to issue on CD. The trouble with these is that it takes time to get used to some of the handwriting, as well as to sift through to locate references of interest to a specific enquiry. CHBC has a grant offer from English Heritage for repairing the building, and work is due to start possibly later this year or some time next year. But the congregation has to raise a further £60,000 as their share of the project. English Heritage would like some displays of the history of the Church and how it fits in to local history. Since I am the person most interested in this, I will probably be preparing the artwork. Therefore any contributions which people on this list happen to have of anecdotes of their ancestors who attended CHBC, other than what is in Idris Williams' centenary book, would be gratefully received. Anything I am able to use would be acknowledged, of course. If we run our of wall space, we may well set up a continuous display on a computer and monitor. CHBC is hosting a refreshments point for a Historic Churches Trust sponsored cycle ride on Saturday 8th September, which would be a convenient occasion for anyone with an interest there to come and take a look around. (There is also to be some sort of fund-raising concert in the afternoon, for the building repairs fund.) Cradley Baptist Church and Cradley Heath Baptist Church tend to get confused - they are opposite sides of the River Stour (which joins the Severn at Stourport). CHBC was the first CHurch of any sort in Cradley HEath Robert Higginson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lin Lamberg" <linlamberg@btinternet.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Samuel HALLAM of Cradley Heath > Robert do you have a copy of the book, 'A History of Four Ways Baptist > Church 1833 - 1933?' > > Samuel Hallam is mentioned in there, a list of Deacons circa 1835 were > Joseph Billingham, Benjamin Fellows, Samuel Hallam and William Wood. > Samuel was mentioned again in 1840, where he procured some Candlesticks to > light the Church Anniversary Sermon. Later in 1841 Samuel apparently > resigned from the post of Treasurer. > > I have an interest in CH Baptist Church, as some of my Stringer Ancestors > worshipped there. Eli Stringer was a Deacon at Cradley Baptist Church > together with Charles Willetts circa 1850. After some disagreement with > the new Pastor, they both left, presumably to Cradley Heath where they > both lived. > > Re your 2nd email Ann Hallam is also mentioned in the Church Book. > > Linda. > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All - Nothing has moved from Stafford Archives to Newcastle Registrars office ! Its only the Stafford Registrars records that have moved to Newcastle - These are civil registrations and not parish records and have never been housed in Stafford archives. It was not normal practice for people to be able to browse the registrars records so nothing has changed. Other than if you want a birth cert you apply to a different registrar. Exactly the same thing happened with Staffordshire Moorlands when their registrars books were moved to Newcastle. Stafford Archives, and Hanley archives are still very much worth visiting as they hold as much about Staffordshire as I think there is available. Steve moving to On 15/07/12 18:20, pentrueman wrote: > If it is true that Stafford Archives are becoming less of a Base, then that is truly sad. > Along with their Music Archives, it sound like they do not have anyone committed at the Helm. > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<<snipped>> Mike, I think you will find it is as it says: Register Office registers - not the Parish Registers that you have always seen at the CRO. I think that these are those that were previously held in the individual Record Offices (and as such you will not have seen them directly - only getting a copy certificate): these have now been consolidated at N-u- L I think. I stand to be corrected but this is my interpretation. I have certainly looked at an original Parish Register at Stafford within the last month. John <<snipped>> John - I'm really sorry to labour this and I hope you just made a typing slip, but saying "held in the individual Record Offices (and as such you will not have seen them directly - only getting a copy certificate)" is not the correct term. The stuff that (normally) is not seen by the general public and can only be accessed by purchasing a copy, was held in the individual REGISTER / REGISTRAR's offices. (Never actually sure what the correct term is). It will still be held in a Registrar's office - just a different one. I'm hoping that's what you meant because your first line seems to say this, but on the other hand, what Mike wrote, read correctly to me. The parish registers from the churches go to the appropriate RECORD office. So yes, the original parish registers are at Stafford and will remain there, as you wrote. (Actually, you're quite lucky to see an original PR - the vast majority are filmed and locked away except to serious users who can demonstrate their need and ability to use them.) Sorry to labour this, but the original concern seems to have arisen from a confusion between RECORD and REGISTER / REGISTRAR's office. Hence I'm being perhaps a little over-sensitive to ensure clarity. Adrian

Mike, I think you will find it is as it says: Register Office registers - not the Parish Registers that you have always seen at the CRO. I think that these are those that were previously held in the individual Record Offices (and as such you will not have seen them directly - only getting a copy certificate): these have now been consolidated at N-u- L I think. I stand to be corrected but this is my interpretation. I have certainly looked at an original Parish Register at Stafford within the last month. John On 15 Jul 2012, at 19:24, Mike in Droitwich wrote: > Hi > > I think that most county Councils have now consolidated (& closed) their > "local Register Offices" and now have one place with all their registers > (which we are not allowed to look at only purchase certified copies). > This appears to be the case in Worcestershire and Oxfordshire. > > This is not do be confused with registers held by Record Offices in > their roll as Diocesan Record Offices.(where they collect the registers > that we removed from the "parish chest" for more secure storage) > > Mike Fisher in Droitwich > my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com > > >

Hi I think that most county Councils have now consolidated (& closed) their "local Register Offices" and now have one place with all their registers (which we are not allowed to look at only purchase certified copies). This appears to be the case in Worcestershire and Oxfordshire. This is not do be confused with registers held by Record Offices in their roll as Diocesan Record Offices.(where they collect the registers that we removed from the "parish chest" for more secure storage) Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com On 14/07/2012 10:17, Steve wrote: > On the front page of http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/ there is a note that says > > "26 November 2011 All Stafford Register Office registers have been moved to Newcastle-under-Lyme. Please ensure that all application forms are sent to the correct register office." > > Does this mean that a visit to the Staffs Record Office in Stafford is no longer going to enable the searching of the various parish records? > > It seems odd that they would have moved the records from Stafford to Newcastle and there not be anything on the Record Office website. > > A confused > Steve > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

<<snipped>> If it is true that Stafford Archives are becoming less of a Base, then that is truly sad. <<snipped>> The records that were moved, were those held by the Registrar as part of the registration business, and were not held by the Record Office. Registrar's Offices close and merge all the time - this is nothing unusual. AB

If it is true that Stafford Archives are becoming less of a Base, then that is truly sad. Along with their Music Archives, it sound like they do not have anyone committed at the Helm.

Hi All The Staffs BMD has been updated with the following records .... Births: 3,505 for Fenton, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1878-1879,1880-1881,1891-1893,1913-1914) regards Bill ======================================================================== The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk

OK, Thanks. Though it still seems an odd thing to do. So still only a max of 3 places to visit in the search for the birth of great granda and his brothers, Staffs for CoE, Walsall for the non conformist and the Catholic church of St Mary's, if those 2 don't pan out. I suspect that it will be the non-conformist registers that I need. Some relatives are, to put it mildly, a bit of a problem. Cheers Steve On 14/07/2012 20:14, Adrian Bruce wrote: > > <<snipped>> > "26 November 2011 All Stafford Register Office registers have been moved to > Newcastle-under-Lyme. Please ensure that all application forms are sent to > the correct register office. " > > Does this mean that a visit to the Staffs Record Office in Stafford is no > longer going to enable the searching of the various parish records? > <<snipped>> > > Parish registers are totally different from the Registers used to record the > Civil Registration of Births, Marriages and Deaths. The only cross-over > between the two is for church marriages, where one copy is kept in the > church and eventually ends up in a Record Office or similar, and the other > copy (eventually) goes to the Local Register Office. > > The PRs will not be affected by this move. > > Adrian B > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >