Hi Keith, They may have arrived in Canada through Quebec or Halifax, Nova Scotia. This link has images of passenger lists so you have to browse through images instead of an easy search. http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/index-e.html Hope this helps, Jane Herring Cove, NS -----Original Message----- From: Keith & Merle Hackney Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:00 AM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] richard thomas ellis (1884 - 1916) Hi, would any of our Canadian listers be able to identify an address from the 1916 census entry details please? Township: 24 Province: Alberta District: 34 Calgary East (possibly Forest Lawn) Sub district: 04 Enumeration District: 24 Family number: 99 Page:8 Names: R T Ellis, Mabel Ellis, Thomas Ellis. The information also states that Richard immigrated in 1911, his wife Mabel in 1912. I am trying to find their marriage, as they were both single in the UK 1911 census. I cannot find it in the FREEBMD indices either, so I don't know whether they married in Alberta or Staffs. Their only child was 2 in the 1916 census. Richard was KIA in September 1916. I would appreciate an indication as to where I can look up their immigration details, they don't appear to be on the Ellis Island site. They would probably have left England from Liverpool. Thanks very much, Keith NZ ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes all variations considered. Rob Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Robyn Shaw <shawforsure@gmail.com> Sender: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:14:08 To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] BURNS - The proverbial brick wall Did you try Bryrnes? On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 6:09 AM, Robert Burns <famh1story@aim.com> wrote: > Hey all, > > Detective work needed lol. Benjamin Burns born circa 1839-1841 (according > to census) married jane HOWELLS 14th July 1861 at St Matthews Church, > Wolverhampton. According to the marriage cert they both lived on > Willenhall Road and Benjamins father was also Benjamin and he was deceased. > No age was given other than of full age. I have searched all the census > prior to the wedding and cannot find a Benjamin Burns that fits the known > facts anywhere. The only one that would fit is a son of Thomas and Sarah > however when one searches through that line that Benjamin marries an Emma > in 1861. On ever census he gives his borthplace as Bilston yet I cannot > find any birth on the indexes from 37 to 41. I appreciate that birthplaces > can be way of the mark due to first memories. If anyone has any ideas > where to go with this one now I would be greatful > > Rob > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Robyn Freney-Shaw Manager/Co-Ordinator Spiritus Soup Kitchen Toowoomba. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Did you try Bryrnes? On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 6:09 AM, Robert Burns <famh1story@aim.com> wrote: > Hey all, > > Detective work needed lol. Benjamin Burns born circa 1839-1841 (according > to census) married jane HOWELLS 14th July 1861 at St Matthews Church, > Wolverhampton. According to the marriage cert they both lived on > Willenhall Road and Benjamins father was also Benjamin and he was deceased. > No age was given other than of full age. I have searched all the census > prior to the wedding and cannot find a Benjamin Burns that fits the known > facts anywhere. The only one that would fit is a son of Thomas and Sarah > however when one searches through that line that Benjamin marries an Emma > in 1861. On ever census he gives his borthplace as Bilston yet I cannot > find any birth on the indexes from 37 to 41. I appreciate that birthplaces > can be way of the mark due to first memories. If anyone has any ideas > where to go with this one now I would be greatful > > Rob > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Robyn Freney-Shaw Manager/Co-Ordinator Spiritus Soup Kitchen Toowoomba.

Anne, had a rellie named Lloyd as last name. His wife had a last name of Watt. When she bought tickets people would say name, and she would say Lloyd......then they would say, and last name is what? No, she would say, it WAS before I married, now I am Lloyd, YES, YES Lloyd what? And then the fight started.... Robyn, Qld. Oz On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:28 AM, Anne Capewell <alc_goytre@hotmail.com>wrote: > > Not as bad as some of the names these days (Apple?!!!!). I knew a girl at > school called Theresa Green....... > > > > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:33:39 -0700 > > From: shawforsure@gmail.com > > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Going to the Staffordshire Record office? > > > > Thirsa, Thirsa...who calls a child Thirza.....thirz a tree over > there....or > > is it pronounced differently? > > Robyn, Qld, Oz > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Barbara Lewis <lewisroots@comcast.net > >wrote: > > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Robyn Freney-Shaw Manager/Co-Ordinator Spiritus Soup Kitchen Toowoomba.

Sue, Thx will take a look Rob Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Sue" <familyhistory27@virginmedia.com> Sender: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 14:52:22 To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] BURNS - The proverbial brick wall Try this site, Rob http://www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk/resources/familyhistory Scroll down and click on 'indexes' Scroll down to the bottom of this page and you have access to many indexes for Wolverhampton and district. Regards Sue Lote nee DERRY Names of Interest: DERRY, LOTE, RUSSELL, BLOORE, GLOVER, BLAKEMORE, DORSETT, SEAGER, VALANCE, HAYWARD, WEBSTER - All in and around the Home of the BROWNHILLS SAXON HOARD: Ogley Hay, Norton Canes, Walsall Wood, Aldridge, Stonnall, Burntwood. -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert Burns Sent: 29 August 2012 14:09 To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] BURNS - The proverbial brick wall Hey all, Detective work needed lol. Benjamin Burns born circa 1839-1841 (according to census) married jane HOWELLS 14th July 1861 at St Matthews Church, Wolverhampton. According to the marriage cert they both lived on Willenhall Road and Benjamins father was also Benjamin and he was deceased. No age was given other than of full age. I have searched all the census prior to the wedding and cannot find a Benjamin Burns that fits the known facts anywhere. The only one that would fit is a son of Thomas and Sarah however when one searches through that line that Benjamin marries an Emma in 1861. On ever census he gives his borthplace as Bilston yet I cannot find any birth on the indexes from 37 to 41. I appreciate that birthplaces can be way of the mark due to first memories. If anyone has any ideas where to go with this one now I would be greatful Rob ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Try this site, Rob http://www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk/resources/familyhistory Scroll down and click on 'indexes' Scroll down to the bottom of this page and you have access to many indexes for Wolverhampton and district. Regards Sue Lote nee DERRY Names of Interest: DERRY, LOTE, RUSSELL, BLOORE, GLOVER, BLAKEMORE, DORSETT, SEAGER, VALANCE, HAYWARD, WEBSTER - All in and around the Home of the BROWNHILLS SAXON HOARD: Ogley Hay, Norton Canes, Walsall Wood, Aldridge, Stonnall, Burntwood. -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert Burns Sent: 29 August 2012 14:09 To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] BURNS - The proverbial brick wall Hey all, Detective work needed lol. Benjamin Burns born circa 1839-1841 (according to census) married jane HOWELLS 14th July 1861 at St Matthews Church, Wolverhampton. According to the marriage cert they both lived on Willenhall Road and Benjamins father was also Benjamin and he was deceased. No age was given other than of full age. I have searched all the census prior to the wedding and cannot find a Benjamin Burns that fits the known facts anywhere. The only one that would fit is a son of Thomas and Sarah however when one searches through that line that Benjamin marries an Emma in 1861. On ever census he gives his borthplace as Bilston yet I cannot find any birth on the indexes from 37 to 41. I appreciate that birthplaces can be way of the mark due to first memories. If anyone has any ideas where to go with this one now I would be greatful Rob ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks again Peter, I tried each person individually in 1901, couldn't get a match to any. Must have been doing something wrong. Much appreciated, Keith

Hi Peter, Many thanks for your quick replies!! I knew he wouldn't be in 1881, but looked for his parents, and found the Richard/Emma/Mary family. I had been looking for Emily, as I obtained Etnily from R T's Commemoration Certificate from the CWGC website, and did have a doubt about it. I have now found the family in 1911, with Emma as a widow. However I can't seem to find any of the family in 1901. Staffordshire is correct, as I knew they were from there. Thanks also for the marriage details. I hope now that one of our Canadian listers might be able to help with the Canada side of things. Once again, many thanks, much appreciated. Kind regards, Keith

Is that Lichfield? Mine all seem to have come from Milwich/Coton/Fradswell area so probably no connection. I always knew that Capewell was a Staffordshire/Black Country name (there's not many anywhere else) but until I started researching I didn't realise how many there were. all the best, Anne > From: knaptoft1@btinternet.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 11:01:04 +0100 > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Going to the Staffordshire Record office? > > Anne - We have Thirza, Theresa and Neighbour in our family, we regard that > as quite normal!. Would be interested to know if your Capewells were at > Stychbrook in the late 19/20th century? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Capewell" <alc_goytre@hotmail.com> > To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Going to the Staffordshire Record office? > > > > > > Not as bad as some of the names these days (Apple?!!!!). I knew a girl at > > school called Theresa Green....... > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:33:39 -0700 > >> From: shawforsure@gmail.com > >> To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Going to the Staffordshire Record office? > >> > >> Thirsa, Thirsa...who calls a child Thirza.....thirz a tree over > >> there....or > >> is it pronounced differently? > >> Robyn, Qld, Oz > >> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Barbara Lewis > >> <lewisroots@comcast.net>wrote: > >> > > > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ****************************** > > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > > link. It's usually from an infected source! > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Keith, You might note the last child is Harry G not Mary G as shown on the 1901 transcription. Peter

Keith, Don't know why you had problems with 1901. It all looks straight forward. They're in Hanley Richard Ellis 45 Emma Ellis 41 Mary E Ellis 21 Maud Ellis 19 Richard T Ellis 17 Edna Ellis 14 Eveline M Ellis 12 William G Ellis 8 Sarah A Ellis 7 Caroline A Ellis 2 Mary G Ellis 1 Peter

Hi. The above was the husband of my grandmother's sister, Mabel Hall, and they emigrated to Alberta, Canada. Richard was the son of Richard and Etnily ( yes, that's her stated name) Ellis, of Hanley. I have found the family in the 1916 census of Canada, which states that Richard immigrated in 1911, and Mabel in 1912. Their son Thomas was 2 in the census, and was born in Alberta. Richard was 32 and Mabel 28. They lived in Forest Lawn. I have been unable to find any information about Richard's parents, or his marriage to Mabel. I cannot find the parents in the UK 1881 census. What I have discovered on the CWGC website is that Richard was killed in France on 16 September 1916, age 32. As he was home for the census on 1 June that year, his military career was sadly very short. Any information on this family would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Keith in NZ.

Anne - We have Thirza, Theresa and Neighbour in our family, we regard that as quite normal!. Would be interested to know if your Capewells were at Stychbrook in the late 19/20th century? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Capewell" <alc_goytre@hotmail.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Going to the Staffordshire Record office? > > Not as bad as some of the names these days (Apple?!!!!). I knew a girl at > school called Theresa Green....... > > >> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:33:39 -0700 >> From: shawforsure@gmail.com >> To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Going to the Staffordshire Record office? >> >> Thirsa, Thirsa...who calls a child Thirza.....thirz a tree over >> there....or >> is it pronounced differently? >> Robyn, Qld, Oz >> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Barbara Lewis >> <lewisroots@comcast.net>wrote: >> > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Huge recommendation from me as well. I have this book and it is a great resource and a labour of love. It's also why I know about the history of Sparrow Lee Farm, how Ralph Whielden whose mother inherited Sparrow Lee in 1779, mortgaged the farm to Samuel Hudson and defaulted on his payments so that Samuel took over the farm for his son, also called Samuel, for him to live there after 1808. Ralph had various properties including a newly built farm at Calton Moor and doesn't appear to have lived at Sparrow Lee. The missing link is who tenanted the property around 1787 when Hannah (surname unknown) was born there. Her daughter by Thomas Barks, Eliza, later married young Samuel's son, also called Samuel. If anyone has family in Waterfall I would grab this excellent book while you can. Helen -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Harrison Genealogy Sent: 29 August 2012 10:37 To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Addresses on Parish Marriage Records (Waterfall) All ........ Frances HARVEY's book on Waterfall entitled "Waterfall of Yesterday" is very good ONLY three copies left at Picture Book in Leek £9.95 you can order online see .... http://www.amazon.co.uk/Waterfall-Yesterday-Frances-Alice-Harvey/dp/18979493 75/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&m=AGWIQXGVG70U7&qid=1346232609&s=generic&sr=1-2 for details You may need to "join" the above link Regards Bill ======================================================================== * This Mail was sent WITHOUT attachments* Bill Harrison's Genealogy Pages can be found online at http://www.harrisongenealogy.co.uk Also BMSGH Webmaster - URL = http://www.bmsgh.org Also Webmaster of The Staffordshire BMD which can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk Also Webmaster of the Old Nortonian Society whose pages can be found at http://www.oldnortoniansociety.org.uk ======================================================================== -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lin Lamberg Sent: 28 August 2012 18:28 To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Addresses on Parish Marriage Records (Waterfall) I found this Helen, don't know if it is of any interest, details at Stafford:- Collection Photocopies of sundry Waterfall parish documents and sundry Hall family documents ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- LocatedAt Staffordshire Record Office Level Item DocRefNo 4211/5 Title Photocopy of agreement between various inhabitants of Waterfall to build a bridge at Sparrow Lee Date 7 Jul 1789 ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All ........ Frances HARVEY's book on Waterfall entitled "Waterfall of Yesterday" is very good ONLY three copies left at Picture Book in Leek £9.95 you can order online see .... http://www.amazon.co.uk/Waterfall-Yesterday-Frances-Alice-Harvey/dp/18979493 75/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&m=AGWIQXGVG70U7&qid=1346232609&s=generic&sr=1-2 for details You may need to "join" the above link Regards Bill ======================================================================== * This Mail was sent WITHOUT attachments* Bill Harrison's Genealogy Pages can be found online at http://www.harrisongenealogy.co.uk Also BMSGH Webmaster - URL = http://www.bmsgh.org Also Webmaster of The Staffordshire BMD which can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk Also Webmaster of the Old Nortonian Society whose pages can be found at http://www.oldnortoniansociety.org.uk ======================================================================== -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lin Lamberg Sent: 28 August 2012 18:28 To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Addresses on Parish Marriage Records (Waterfall) I found this Helen, don't know if it is of any interest, details at Stafford:- Collection Photocopies of sundry Waterfall parish documents and sundry Hall family documents ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- LocatedAt Staffordshire Record Office Level Item DocRefNo 4211/5 Title Photocopy of agreement between various inhabitants of Waterfall to build a bridge at Sparrow Lee Date 7 Jul 1789 ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not as bad as some of the names these days (Apple?!!!!). I knew a girl at school called Theresa Green....... > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:33:39 -0700 > From: shawforsure@gmail.com > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Going to the Staffordshire Record office? > > Thirsa, Thirsa...who calls a child Thirza.....thirz a tree over there....or > is it pronounced differently? > Robyn, Qld, Oz > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Barbara Lewis <lewisroots@comcast.net>wrote: >

Keith, I did this quickly, so you might like to check. 1891 census has a Thomas Ellis born 1884 living in Burslem with parents Richard & Emma and other siblings. Ages seem to match the 1879 marriage of Richard Ellis and Emma Alcock. I've seen first and second given names interchanged frequently so when mum calls the kids the husband doesn't think he's in trouble. But as I said, you need to also check 1901 and 1911. Peter

Keith, Logically, if he was born 1884 and migrated to Canada in 1911, he won't be in 1881 UK census but should be in 1891, 1901 and 1911. Have you looked there? You say you can't find data on his parents, yet you seem categoric that his mother was Etnily. I'd suggest that's been mistranscribed. It could be Emily. Why Staffordshire? You haven't indicated. Assuming it's correct there is a marriage of Richard Ellis to Emma Alcock in 1879. Might be worth following them through the census records. Son Richard is registered 1884 in Wolstanton. Can't help with a Canadian marriage. It may be on Ancestry. But perhaps they never married or perhaps it was in UK before he left. Peter

Hey all, Detective work needed lol. Benjamin Burns born circa 1839-1841 (according to census) married jane HOWELLS 14th July 1861 at St Matthews Church, Wolverhampton. According to the marriage cert they both lived on Willenhall Road and Benjamins father was also Benjamin and he was deceased. No age was given other than of full age. I have searched all the census prior to the wedding and cannot find a Benjamin Burns that fits the known facts anywhere. The only one that would fit is a son of Thomas and Sarah however when one searches through that line that Benjamin marries an Emma in 1861. On ever census he gives his borthplace as Bilston yet I cannot find any birth on the indexes from 37 to 41. I appreciate that birthplaces can be way of the mark due to first memories. If anyone has any ideas where to go with this one now I would be greatful Rob

Well put Adrian :) Well put, Adrian, :)