Pauline, I found your post somewhat confusing. You jump from Ann to Alice to Beatrice. Could I suggest you go back a generation and show their relationship and parents and then perhaps produce a descendant list showing what you know. Have you looked for submitted trees on Ancestry or Rootsweb? Peter

I have now received the marriage certificate for Joseph MAYER & Mary McGRATH who married on 24 July 1911 in St Joseph's RC Church Hall St. Burslem Wolstanton and have found it is not my Joseph Mayer. If anyone would like this certificate please let me know. Joseph was aged 20 in 1911, bachelor, living at 13 Edge St Burslem. He worked as a potters labourer and was the son of Samuel MAYER, Coal Hewer. Mary Ann MCGRATH was 19, spinster and lived at 4 Broad St Burselm. She worked as a potters sponger and was the daughter of John MCGRATH who was deceased in 1911. He had been an ironworks puddler. One of the wotnesses was Ellen MAYER Anne Peat

Hi All The Staffs BMD has been updated with the following records .... Births: 10,814 for Uttoxeter, registers at East Staffordshire (1892-1939) regards Bill ======================================================================== The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk

Hi Glennys see http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com On 03/09/2012 10:52, Verone gj wrote: > I have probate info about rellies deaths but would like to know more about the details of the wills. Can anyone advise me how I go about finding copies please? > And when probate says " effects £300 ", does that mean it's an evalutation of all the persons belongings and / or cash in the bank ..... ? > Thanks from Glennys > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have probate info about rellies deaths but would like to know more about the details of the wills. Can anyone advise me how I go about finding copies please? And when probate says " effects £300 ", does that mean it's an evalutation of all the persons belongings and / or  cash in the bank ..... ? Thanks from Glennys

Hi Rob, Is the Benjamin you are looking for the one who, in 1881, had children Zaccariah, Enoch etc? If so, and you may already have looked at this, I think Benjamin remarried Jun qtr 1884 to Fanny Hockold (FreeBMD). In the 1891 census he has 2 of his children from his first marriage with him - Jane and Alfred. Have you had a look at that marriage cert? My gggrandfather stated that his father was Henry when that was in fact his uncle. He was illegitimate and had obviously been taken in by his uncle from an early age so may not have known any different. I know he was illegitimate because his mother actually named the father on the birth cert even though she never married him. I have no idea who he was (other than a name) - that's my big brick wall. Anyway, back to yours. Have you considered that any of his children's names may be family names? I have had a quick look at Zacs and Enocs and couldn't see anything obvious but it may require something more painstaking. If he did marry a traveller you may find that he was cut off from his family - I am descended from travellers/gypsies and that appears to have happened to one of my other ggrandfathers. Travellers are great fun to trace.......! hth, Anne

Hi Janet, Thanks for your reply: I think you're right, and the Thomas HANCOCK from 1783 probably is the one I'm interested in. However, it's his own marriage and children I need to find out more about. Thomas' daughter Mary, who married James HURD, is shown on the 1841 census with a little girl called Mary HANCOCK, aged 5. Now I'm reasonably confident that little Mary is the daughter of my great-great-grandfather William HANCOCK, which suggests that the older Mary who married James HURD and her father Thomas HANCOCK may be related to me; but I need further information about Thomas' family to be sure. Great-great-grandfather William HANCOCK is particularly difficult to trace, as he was born in Ireland; but if he was related to Thomas HANCOCK, then perhaps I don't need to go all the way to Dublin to trace him after all ! If they are related, this would suggest that at some time, Thomas HANCOCK went to Dublin, then came back again, by about 1815. Does anyone know if this sort of travel between the Potteries and Ireland would have been likely in the early 19th century ? Cheers, Rosalind. Also interested in OAKES, COWEN, SMITH, MYATT, in the Potteries. On 28/08/2012 07:09, staffordshire-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 11:56:29 +0100 > From: "Janet Booth" <janet@boothworld.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] HANCOCKs in Stoke-on-Trent > To: <STAFFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello Rosalind, > > FreeREG has a baptism at Burslem (which contains the parish of Longport) in > the church of St John the Baptist of a Thomas HANCOCK on 18 March 1783, > parents John & Mary HANCOCK which may be relevant to you. > > The only baptisms to the couple which appear on FreeREG are those of John on > 14 August 1815 and Thos on 14 September 1817 at St John the Baptist to > Thomas & Hannah HANCOCK of Newport, Potter. However, so far I have been > unable to find a marriage for Thomas & Hannah. > > Janet > > > I'm getting back into genealogy again after a lengthy absence, > and I'm interested in a Thomas HANCOCK, born about 1783, Longport. He > was a pottery warehouseman, and was married to a Hannah, but I don't > have her surname, or details of the marriage. They had at least the > following children; - > > Mary, born approximately 1810, Staffordshire > John, born 1815, Newport > Thomas, born 1817, Newport, d. 1817. > Betsy, born 1823, Longport > > They may also have had a daughter Hannah, born around 1810. > > Thomas' wife Hannah died in the 1820s, and he remarried in 1830 > to a Sophia BROUGH. Mary married John HURD in 1838. > >

Keith Ref. marriage - This took place in June ¼ in 1911 , the Census was taken on 2nd of April . The Corsican Image of the Passenger List does not give his marital status and his destination is Toronto, Ontario. The Laurentic , does says he is Single ( but don't put too much credence to that , lots said they were single when not accompanied by their wife, often those writing the list made that assumption, without even asking ) his destination is illegible. hth Helen My grateful thanks to Jane, Ellen, Bill, Jackie and Helen for your replies to my request, also to Theresa for the location of Forest Lawn. I have two Mabels, and two Richards suggested. I am of the opinion that the Richard T on the Corsican is the correct one, and that the married Mabel Ellis on the Empress of Britain is the most likely one, as her age is correct. Had the age been correct I would have picked the Mabel on the Lake Champlain. However, I am confused, because Richard was single on the 1911 census, and when he arrived in Quebec, and there were only 17 days between the census and his departure! I suppose he could have returned to be married???? The plot thickens!! Many thanks for your help. Confused Keith in NZ ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 163 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

My grateful thanks to Jane, Ellen, Bill, Jackie and Helen for your replies to my request, also to Theresa for the location of Forest Lawn. I have two Mabels, and two Richards suggested. I am of the opinion that the Richard T on the Corsican is the correct one, and that the married Mabel Ellis on the Empress of Britain is the most likely one, as her age is correct. Had the age been correct I would have picked the Mabel on the Lake Champlain. However, I am confused, because Richard was single on the 1911 census, and when he arrived in Quebec, and there were only 17 days between the census and his departure! I suppose he could have returned to be married???? The plot thickens!! Many thanks for your help. Confused Keith in NZ

Keith Think this could be Richard Ellis. Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 Richard Ellis Name: Richard Ellis Gender: Male Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883 Date of Arrival: 15 Jul 1911 Vessel: Laurentic Port of Arrival: Quebec Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Roll: T-4778 There are two entries that may Mabel! Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 Name: Mabel Ellis Gender: Female Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888 Date of Arrival: 21 Jun 1912 Vessel: Empress of Britain Port of Arrival: Quebec Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Roll: T-4787 This appears to be the more likely, as original of Passenger List says- Ellis, Mabel , 24 yrs Married Destination Edmonton, Alberta The second entry says Mabel Ellis age 28 Yrs Dep Liverpool arrival Quebec 14 May 1913 'Canada' to be married Dest. Oakville Ontario Hi, would any of our Canadian listers be able to identify an address from the 1916 census entry details please? Possible Marriage- Name: ELLIS, Richard Registration district: [?] Wigan County: Lancashire Year of registration: 1911 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse MABEL BROOKES Volume no: [?] 8C Page no: [?] 131 Hth Helen Just down the road!! Township: 24 Province: Alberta District: 34 Calgary East (possibly Forest Lawn) Sub district: 04 Enumeration District: 24 Family number: 99 Page:8 Names: R T Ellis, Mabel Ellis, Thomas Ellis. The information also states that Richard immigrated in 1911, his wife Mabel in 1912. I am trying to find their marriage, as they were both single in the UK 1911 census. I cannot find it in the FREEBMD indices either, so I don't know whether they married in Alberta or Staffs. Their only child was 2 in the 1916 census. Richard was KIA in September 1916. I would appreciate an indication as to where I can look up their immigration details, they don't appear to be on the Ellis Island site. They would probably have left England from Liverpool. Thanks very much, Keith NZ ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 163 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

Depends a bit on when (and where?) I think for England. Other places I know are different - in Victoria Australia you get length of parents marriage, other siblings names and ages and so on. I applied for an English birth cert for about 1870s and did not expect to get 'mum's maiden name - but did. You may not be as lucky, as I think it was at least a decade later before it became compulsory. Dawn (Melbourne Australia). -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Sent: Thursday, 30 August 2012 5:39 PM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] BURNS - The proverbial brick wall Birth Certificates do show names of mothers and their maiden names. Regards Sue Lote -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter R Booth Sent: 30 August 2012 04:04 To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] BURNS - The proverbial brick wall The very first possibility on FreeBMD is Births Jun 1838 (>99%) BURNS Benjamin Wolverhampton 17 311 Wolverhampton is the Registration Office for Bilston. So that all fits. Purchasing the above certificate would tell, but it won't show mother. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7428 (20120829) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Sue, Apologies. Of course they do. I'm getting mixed up with Parish Records and also marriage certificates where you can only be certain of getting the father. Peter

Hi I am in Canada, but British Columbia. According to google maps They forest lawn area of Calgary is they eastern part of they city if that helps :) Theresa -----Original Message----- From: Keith & Merle Hackney Sent: 30 Aug 2012 04:05:34 GMT To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] richard thomas ellis (1884 - 1916) Hi, would any of our Canadian listers be able to identify an address from the 1916 census entry details please? Township: 24 Province: Alberta District: 34 Calgary East (possibly Forest Lawn) Sub district: 04 Enumeration District: 24 Family number: 99 Page:8 Names: R T Ellis, Mabel Ellis, Thomas Ellis. The information also states that Richard immigrated in 1911, his wife Mabel in 1912. I am trying to find their marriage, as they were both single in the UK 1911 census. I cannot find it in the FREEBMD indices either, so I don't know whether they married in Alberta or Staffs. Their only child was 2 in the 1916 census. Richard was KIA in September 1916. I would appreciate an indication as to where I can look up their immigration details, they don't appear to be on the Ellis Island site. They would probably have left England from Liverpool. Thanks very much, Keith NZ ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, would any of our Canadian listers be able to identify an address from the 1916 census entry details please? Township: 24 Province: Alberta District: 34 Calgary East (possibly Forest Lawn) Sub district: 04 Enumeration District: 24 Family number: 99 Page:8 Names: R T Ellis, Mabel Ellis, Thomas Ellis. The information also states that Richard immigrated in 1911, his wife Mabel in 1912. I am trying to find their marriage, as they were both single in the UK 1911 census. I cannot find it in the FREEBMD indices either, so I don't know whether they married in Alberta or Staffs. Their only child was 2 in the 1916 census. Richard was KIA in September 1916. I would appreciate an indication as to where I can look up their immigration details, they don't appear to be on the Ellis Island site. They would probably have left England from Liverpool. Thanks very much, Keith NZ

<<snipped>> I have many early Birth Certificates - they all give the mother's maiden name. <<snipped>> Agreed - they always give it. In fact, without looking it up, I don't think there's been any change in the _content_ of certificates in England & Wales until late in the 20th century when death certificates (at least) changed slightly. I think? Don't get confused with the contents of the _indices_ which only show mother's maiden name in later years for the GRO version and in varying fashions for the local registrars' indices. Adrian

I have many early Birth Certificates - they all give the mother's maiden name. ........All Birth Certificates for England should contain the following information: 1) The date and place of birth. 2) The name of the child. 3) The name and occupation of the father. 4) The name and maiden (or previous married name) of the mother. 5) The signature (or mark) and name and address of the informant (usually a parent). ..........Ancestral Trails by Mark D. Herber. Regards Sue Lote -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Webb Sent: 30 August 2012 10:52 To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] BURNS - The proverbial brick wall Depends a bit on when (and where?) I think for England. Other places I know are different - in Victoria Australia you get length of parents marriage, other siblings names and ages and so on. I applied for an English birth cert for about 1870s and did not expect to get 'mum's maiden name - but did. You may not be as lucky, as I think it was at least a decade later before it became compulsory. Dawn (Melbourne Australia).

Rob, What indexes are you using? The very first possibility on FreeBMD is Births Jun 1838 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- BURNS Benjamin Wolverhampton 17 311 Wolverhampton is the Registration Office for Bilston. So that all fits. I can't find a possible death of his supposed father. It could be he was in military and died overseas, but I'm wondering if he might not be illegitimate. Purchasing the above certificate would tell, but it won't show mother. I also can't find him in 1841, 1851 or 1861. But it was only a quick look. I suspect his mother remarried and he's under different name. There is a Sarah Burns marries 1840 in Wolverhampton as an example. But there's five possible spouses. While the certificate will give some information, I'd also look on Family Search for his birth or possible marriage of his parents c1837. Sorry. I have people paying me for research. There's a limit to what I can do for free. Peter

Peter, I also have people paying me to do research. Wolverhampton also covers wednesfield and that cert relates to another benjamin bonr to thomas and sarah. Thx anyway. As he marries a HOWELL off of buggins lane in 1861 I am now wondering if the family may have been travellers. Howell is a traveller name buggins lane had a large contingent of travellers although his wife's family had a property and was a miner Rob Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> Sender: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 13:03:59 To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] BURNS - The proverbial brick wall Rob, What indexes are you using? The very first possibility on FreeBMD is Births Jun 1838 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- BURNS Benjamin Wolverhampton 17 311 Wolverhampton is the Registration Office for Bilston. So that all fits. I can't find a possible death of his supposed father. It could be he was in military and died overseas, but I'm wondering if he might not be illegitimate. Purchasing the above certificate would tell, but it won't show mother. I also can't find him in 1841, 1851 or 1861. But it was only a quick look. I suspect his mother remarried and he's under different name. There is a Sarah Burns marries 1840 in Wolverhampton as an example. But there's five possible spouses. While the certificate will give some information, I'd also look on Family Search for his birth or possible marriage of his parents c1837. Sorry. I have people paying me for research. There's a limit to what I can do for free. Peter ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 8/30/2012 7:04 AM, Jane wrote: > Hi Keith, > > They may have arrived in Canada through Quebec or Halifax, Nova Scotia. > This link has images of passenger lists so you have to browse through images > instead of an easy search. > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/index-e.html > > Hope this helps, > > Jane > Herring Cove, NS > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith & Merle Hackney > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:00 AM > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] richard thomas ellis (1884 - 1916) > > Hi, would any of our Canadian listers be able to identify an address from > the 1916 census entry details please? > > Township: 24 > Province: Alberta > District: 34 Calgary East (possibly Forest Lawn) > Sub district: 04 > Enumeration District: 24 > Family number: 99 > Page:8 > Names: R T Ellis, Mabel Ellis, Thomas Ellis. > > The information also states that Richard immigrated in 1911, his wife Mabel > in 1912. I am trying to find their marriage, as they were both single in the > UK 1911 census. I cannot find it in the FREEBMD indices either, so I don't > know whether they married in Alberta or Staffs. Their only child was 2 in > the 1916 census. Richard was KIA in September 1916. > > I would appreciate an indication as to where I can look up their immigration > details, they don't appear to be on the Ellis Island site. They would > probably have left England from Liverpool. > > Thanks very much, > > Keith NZ Keith, Try joining the Rootsweb Calgary, Alberta List and put in your queery. The folks there are most helpful!! Ellen ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Birth Certificates do show names of mothers and their maiden names. Regards Sue Lote -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter R Booth Sent: 30 August 2012 04:04 To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] BURNS - The proverbial brick wall The very first possibility on FreeBMD is Births Jun 1838 (>99%) BURNS Benjamin Wolverhampton 17 311 Wolverhampton is the Registration Office for Bilston. So that all fits. Purchasing the above certificate would tell, but it won't show mother.