Christine . You are great and thankyou for helping a New Zealander on a short visit . Laurie Australia I find it hurtful to be criticised for trying to help. -----Original Message-----

Who were the Marriage Witnesses Gwyneth? I was in Hopwas the other day, so idyllic. Happy hunting. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2 -----Original Message----- From: Gwyneth Watson User <cannycot@gmail.com> Sender: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:50:18 To: <STAFFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Hastilow/Clewley Hello, I¹ve just joined the list and was wondering if someone can point me in the right direction please. I¹m revisiting this line and wondered if anyone can shed some light on Elizabeth Clewley who married Joseph Hastilow 24 Nov 1823 Tamworth. Children William B 1825 Hopwas (my GGGrandfather), Elizabeth B1827 Tamworth and Joseph B1829 Hopwas. Father Joseph died 14 Nov 1880 at Hopwas. It seems Elizabeth died between 1829 & 1832 when Joseph married Theodosia Simkins and at least 4 more children born. Theodosia died 1869 Tamworth. Many thanks, Gwyneth Sydney ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Again..   Thank you for the information that you put online Christine, it will prove very useful.  Thank you also to those who have gone to her defence.  She has given me lots of avenues to explore.   I would be grateful if anyone would flesh out what she provided with some census material.  As I said I am over here on holiday and was hoping for some help before I leave for Canada tomorrow and then off back to New Zerasland Mike Kawerau 3127 NZ casofilia@xtra.co.nz ________________________________

Many thanks to everyone who sent messages of support. Christine

Hi Christine and friends If it had ben me that had posted the request that Mike posted, in the circumstances, I would have been most pleased to have received the information you provided. Far from being criticised you should be congratulated for finding the time and making the effort to help Mike, in the circumstances. Please do not allow one critic to deter you - at least you made an effort! Well done. Kindest regards Jack

I agree with you 100% Christine, can only assume that Lin did not read the original request carefully enough. Nuala On 01/10/2012 11:43, Christine Benson wrote: > I would normally only have given information on the immediate family and > pointed Mike in the direction of the Ancestry trees. However, Mike is over > here from New Zealand, so I am presuming for a relatively short period of > time. I doubt if he has time to order and receive certificates and then do > the research he wishes to as a result of what he finds out. So I was giving > him as much information as possible in the hope that it enables him to use > his time over here more profitably. > > I find it hurtful to be criticised for trying to help. >

Hi Christine and friends If it had ben me that had posted the request that Mike posted, in the circumstances, I would have been most pleased to have received the information you provided. Far from being criticised you should be congratulated for finding the time and making the effort to help Mike, in the circumstances. Please do not allow one critic to deter you - at least you made an effort! Well done. Kindest regards Jack

I would have been very happy to receive such details. Keep up the good work Christine!! Jan -----Original Message----- From: Christine Benson Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 11:43 AM To: linlamberg@btinternet.com ; staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] CHATTERLEY I would normally only have given information on the immediate family and pointed Mike in the direction of the Ancestry trees. However, Mike is over here from New Zealand, so I am presuming for a relatively short period of time. I doubt if he has time to order and receive certificates and then do the research he wishes to as a result of what he finds out. So I was giving him as much information as possible in the hope that it enables him to use his time over here more profitably. I find it hurtful to be criticised for trying to help. -----Original Message----- From: linlamberg@btinternet.com Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 3:39 AM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] CHATTERLEY Goodness all that different information is definately over-kill, think it maybe best to order some certificates. I don't think it is helpful quoting every tree on Ancestry. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2 ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would normally only have given information on the immediate family and pointed Mike in the direction of the Ancestry trees. However, Mike is over here from New Zealand, so I am presuming for a relatively short period of time. I doubt if he has time to order and receive certificates and then do the research he wishes to as a result of what he finds out. So I was giving him as much information as possible in the hope that it enables him to use his time over here more profitably. I find it hurtful to be criticised for trying to help. -----Original Message----- From: linlamberg@btinternet.com Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 3:39 AM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] CHATTERLEY Goodness all that different information is definately over-kill, think it maybe best to order some certificates. I don't think it is helpful quoting every tree on Ancestry. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2

linlamberg@btinternet.com wrote, Mon, 1 Oct 2012 02:39:16 +0000 > Goodness all that different information is definately over-kill, ... > I don't think it is helpful quoting every tree on Ancestry. That strikes me as a rather churlish response, and undeserved.

Thank you Jane   I hope that is the right family and that it gives someone else the information so that they can help me further.   Thanks again Mike  Hi, Here is a start for your search.  I think this may be the Sampson CHATTERLEY you are looking for. 1911 UK Census, Swynerton, Staffordshire (Stone District) Street Address:  Butterton, Newcastle, Staffordshire Philip Chatterley, Head, 53, Married, General Labourer, Worker, born Staffordshire Swynerton Elizabeth Chatterley, Wife, 52, Married, Married 28 years, Had 7 children, 6 children living, 1 child died, Nurse, born Staffordshire, Stone Ida Janett Chatterley, Daughter, 19, Single, Potter’s Clerk (Earthenware Manufacturer), Worker, born Staffordshire, Swynerton Philip Chatterley, Son, 17, Single, Gardener (Domestic), Worker, born Staffordshire, Swynerton Agnes Chatterley, Daughter, 14, Student, born Staffordshire, Swynerton Sampson Chatterley, Son, 8, School, born Staffordshire, Swynerton Hope this helps, Jane

Hello from New Zealand.   I am actually in the UK at present and have no possible chance of accessing Ancestry.   Recently on a visit to a relative, a CHATTERLEY, I was given some information that led to a Sampson CHATTERLEY who I have assumed was the one registered in Stone in 1902.   I would love any information about his ancestry, even more so, if it led to any of the CHATTERLEY families that resided in the area round the Warwickshire/Worcestershire border where my wife's CHATTERLEY ancestors came from.   However at this poing anything to help with the 'backward'' progression would be welcomed.   Thanks Mike Kawerau 3127 NZ

Goodness all that different information is definately over-kill, think it maybe best to order some certificates. I don't think it is helpful quoting every tree on Ancestry. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2 -----Original Message----- From: "Christine Benson" <christinebenson313@btinternet.com> Sender: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:20:03 To: Michael Wells<casofilia@xtra.co.nz>; <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] CHATTERLEY Hi Mike, There are several trees for Sampson on Ancestry. However some have him born in Lancashire which does not appear to be correct so the information needs checking thoroughly. They all seem to agree on a birth date of 14th April. Have you thought of going to a local library to see if you can access Ancestry from there? In the notes below I have not include the CHATTERLEY surname. Anyway one tree has him the son of Philip,1859 and Elizabeth Downing,1860 with siblings Susannah,1884; Agnes,1890; Ida Janet,1892; Philip, 1893 who married Gertrude L Trickey,1900-1927 and had 2 children, one still living and Jean Shirley 1927-2008. Philip(the father of Sampson) was the child of William,1827 and Susannah Silvester,1825. William was the son of Joseph,1793-1864 and Mary ???,1800-1827. William's siblings were Anne, 1820; Joseph, 1823; and Mary,1825-1825. Susannah Silvester's father was Philip, 1805. Another tree has more family members but is rather tangled. Another tree has another marriage for Philip, Sampson's father. It would appear to be a previous marriage but the births overlap. The spouse was Mary Ann Ballard, 1864 with children William Harry,1882-1947; Margaret, 1886; Caleb, 1888; Ethel, 1892; Violet, 1895; Olive, 1899 and Ellen,1900. Philip married Elizabeth Downing in Oct-Dec 1882. And another tree has William Harry's father as John William so the probability is the tree owner in the paragraph above has his facts wrong. Another tree give Elizabeth DOWNING's parentage. (DOWNING omitted below.) She is the child of George,1837-1921 and Elizabeth BOULTON,1837-1912. Elizabeth is the child of John BOULTON and Ann Emma ???. George is the child of Sampson and Catherine. Sampson is the child of Anne. Catherine is the child of William Sutton and Susannah. I stress again, this info is only as good as the tree writer's skills and my copying skills. Hope this helps. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Michael Wells Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:29 PM To: STAFFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] CHATTERLEY Hello from New Zealand. I am actually in the UK at present and have no possible chance of accessing Ancestry. Recently on a visit to a relative, a CHATTERLEY, I was given some information that led to a Sampson CHATTERLEY who I have assumed was the one registered in Stone in 1902. I would love any information about his ancestry, even more so, if it led to any of the CHATTERLEY families that resided in the area round the Warwickshire/Worcestershire border where my wife's CHATTERLEY ancestors came from. However at this poing anything to help with the 'backward'' progression would be welcomed. Thanks Mike Kawerau 3127 NZ ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike, There are several trees for Sampson on Ancestry. However some have him born in Lancashire which does not appear to be correct so the information needs checking thoroughly. They all seem to agree on a birth date of 14th April. Have you thought of going to a local library to see if you can access Ancestry from there? In the notes below I have not include the CHATTERLEY surname. Anyway one tree has him the son of Philip,1859 and Elizabeth Downing,1860 with siblings Susannah,1884; Agnes,1890; Ida Janet,1892; Philip, 1893 who married Gertrude L Trickey,1900-1927 and had 2 children, one still living and Jean Shirley 1927-2008. Philip(the father of Sampson) was the child of William,1827 and Susannah Silvester,1825. William was the son of Joseph,1793-1864 and Mary ???,1800-1827. William's siblings were Anne, 1820; Joseph, 1823; and Mary,1825-1825. Susannah Silvester's father was Philip, 1805. Another tree has more family members but is rather tangled. Another tree has another marriage for Philip, Sampson's father. It would appear to be a previous marriage but the births overlap. The spouse was Mary Ann Ballard, 1864 with children William Harry,1882-1947; Margaret, 1886; Caleb, 1888; Ethel, 1892; Violet, 1895; Olive, 1899 and Ellen,1900. Philip married Elizabeth Downing in Oct-Dec 1882. And another tree has William Harry's father as John William so the probability is the tree owner in the paragraph above has his facts wrong. Another tree give Elizabeth DOWNING's parentage. (DOWNING omitted below.) She is the child of George,1837-1921 and Elizabeth BOULTON,1837-1912. Elizabeth is the child of John BOULTON and Ann Emma ???. George is the child of Sampson and Catherine. Sampson is the child of Anne. Catherine is the child of William Sutton and Susannah. I stress again, this info is only as good as the tree writer's skills and my copying skills. Hope this helps. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Michael Wells Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:29 PM To: STAFFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] CHATTERLEY Hello from New Zealand. I am actually in the UK at present and have no possible chance of accessing Ancestry. Recently on a visit to a relative, a CHATTERLEY, I was given some information that led to a Sampson CHATTERLEY who I have assumed was the one registered in Stone in 1902. I would love any information about his ancestry, even more so, if it led to any of the CHATTERLEY families that resided in the area round the Warwickshire/Worcestershire border where my wife's CHATTERLEY ancestors came from. However at this poing anything to help with the 'backward'' progression would be welcomed. Thanks Mike Kawerau 3127 NZ ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Here is a start for your search. I think this may be the Sampson CHATTERLEY you are looking for. 1911 UK Census, Swynerton, Staffordshire (Stone District) Street Address: Butterton, Newcastle, Staffordshire Philip Chatterley, Head, 53, Married, General Labourer, Worker, born Staffordshire Swynerton Elizabeth Chatterley, Wife, 52, Married, Married 28 years, Had 7 children, 6 children living, 1 child died, Nurse, born Staffordshire, Stone Ida Janett Chatterley, Daughter, 19, Single, Potter’s Clerk (Earthenware Manufacturer), Worker, born Staffordshire, Swynerton Philip Chatterley, Son, 17, Single, Gardener (Domestic), Worker, born Staffordshire, Swynerton Agnes Chatterley, Daughter, 14, Student, born Staffordshire, Swynerton Sampson Chatterley, Son, 8, School, born Staffordshire, Swynerton Hope this helps, Jane -----Original Message----- From: Michael Wells Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 3:29 PM To: STAFFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] CHATTERLEY Hello from New Zealand. I am actually in the UK at present and have no possible chance of accessing Ancestry. Recently on a visit to a relative, a CHATTERLEY, I was given some information that led to a Sampson CHATTERLEY who I have assumed was the one registered in Stone in 1902. I would love any information about his ancestry, even more so, if it led to any of the CHATTERLEY families that resided in the area round the Warwickshire/Worcestershire border where my wife's CHATTERLEY ancestors came from. However at this poing anything to help with the 'backward'' progression would be welcomed. Thanks Mike Kawerau 3127 NZ ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 25/09/2012 21:03, marlowest155@frontier.com wrote: > > > > I am new to this list. My 9th great grandparents are EDWIN CONWAY, SR and MARTHA ELTONHEAD that came from England to Virginia. Martha's parents are RICHARD ELTONHEAD and ANNE SUTTON.. The ELTONHEAD family was from Prescot, Lancashire, England where RICHARD was born ca 1582 and died ca 1664. > > > > ANNE SUTTON's father is EDWARD SUTTON but many say his wife is a HARRINGTON but some professionals that do medieval genealogy says this is untrue. So, I am looking for the correct wife of Edward Sutton that would be my grandmother plus I need Edward Sutton's parents. I think EDWARD SUTTON was born in the mid 1560's. > > > > This is some data I have on EDWARD SUTTON of RUSHTON SPENCER : > > > > Collections for a History of Saffordshire: > > > > "Between John Davenport, armiger, Edward Cotton, armiger, EDMUND SUUTON, gentleman, and WILLIAM SUTTON complaints, and EDWARD SUTTON, gentleman , and ANNE his wife, and JOHN EARD:EY, gentleman, and ALICE, his wife, deforciants of a messuage, a garden, 100 acres of land, 30 acres omeadow, 100 acres of pasture, and 20 acres of wood in Rushton Spencer, Ravenscloug-he, and Clowdewood. > > > > My ANNE SUTTON was the younger sister of ALICE, who married JOHN YARDLEY (EEARDLEY) of Audley in 1601. > > > > The lordship of the manor of Rushton Spencer had beed divided into five moieties in the 1500's. Since EDWARD SUTTON was described as a gentleman from Rushton Spencer it appears likely that he held one of these subdivisions. > > > > Would anyone have info on the correct wife of EDWARD SUTTON and his parents. Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Marianne Dillow > > Illinois > > Marianne, The Sutton/Harington marriage 12 Jun 1581 at St Bennets Grace, London was that of Edward Sutton, 9th Baron Dudley (1567-1643) & Theodosia Harington. Their daughter Ann married 22 Mar 1615 Hans Meinhard VON SCHONBERG. Edward was my husband's 10xg grandfather through his mistress Elizabeth Tomlinson (abt 1567-1629) by whom he had 11 children to add to the 5 his wife bore. I think you will have to look elsewhere for your Edward Sutton. Nuala

Thank you. I know my Edward Sutton that married Anne Stanley has been mixed up with Edward Sutton, 5th Baron that married Theodosia Harrington. I have since found out that my Edward Sutton married Anne Stanley 14 May 1576 in Ormskirk, Lancashire. She is the daughter of Peter Stanley and his second wife Cicely Tarleton of Lancashire. Marianne Dillow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nuala" <nualacockburn@blueyonder.co.uk> To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 1:49:36 AM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Need Correct Lineage of Edward Sutton of Rushton Spencer On 25/09/2012 21:03, marlowest155@frontier.com wrote: > > > > I am new to this list. My 9th great grandparents are EDWIN CONWAY, SR and MARTHA ELTONHEAD that came from England to Virginia. Martha's parents are RICHARD ELTONHEAD and ANNE SUTTON.. The ELTONHEAD family was from Prescot, Lancashire, England where RICHARD was born ca 1582 and died ca 1664. > > > > ANNE SUTTON's father is EDWARD SUTTON but many say his wife is a HARRINGTON but some professionals that do medieval genealogy says this is untrue. So, I am looking for the correct wife of Edward Sutton that would be my grandmother plus I need Edward Sutton's parents. I think EDWARD SUTTON was born in the mid 1560's. > > > > This is some data I have on EDWARD SUTTON of RUSHTON SPENCER : > > > > Collections for a History of Saffordshire: > > > > "Between John Davenport, armiger, Edward Cotton, armiger, EDMUND SUUTON, gentleman, and WILLIAM SUTTON complaints, and EDWARD SUTTON, gentleman , and ANNE his wife, and JOHN EARD:EY, gentleman, and ALICE, his wife, deforciants of a messuage, a garden, 100 acres of land, 30 acres omeadow, 100 acres of pasture, and 20 acres of wood in Rushton Spencer, Ravenscloug-he, and Clowdewood. > > > > My ANNE SUTTON was the younger sister of ALICE, who married JOHN YARDLEY (EEARDLEY) of Audley in 1601. > > > > The lordship of the manor of Rushton Spencer had beed divided into five moieties in the 1500's. Since EDWARD SUTTON was described as a gentleman from Rushton Spencer it appears likely that he held one of these subdivisions. > > > > Would anyone have info on the correct wife of EDWARD SUTTON and his parents. Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Marianne Dillow > > Illinois > > Marianne, The Sutton/Harington marriage 12 Jun 1581 at St Bennets Grace, London was that of Edward Sutton, 9th Baron Dudley (1567-1643) & Theodosia Harington. Their daughter Ann married 22 Mar 1615 Hans Meinhard VON SCHONBERG. Edward was my husband's 10xg grandfather through his mistress Elizabeth Tomlinson (abt 1567-1629) by whom he had 11 children to add to the 5 his wife bore. I think you will have to look elsewhere for your Edward Sutton. Nuala

Hi All The Staffs BMD has been updated with the following records .... Marriages: 34 for Chell Heath, Church of the Good Shepherd, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1952-1974) regards Bill ======================================================================== The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk

I am new to this list. My 9th great grandparents are EDWIN CONWAY, SR and MARTHA ELTONHEAD that came from England to Virginia.  Martha's parents are RICHARD ELTONHEAD and ANNE SUTTON.. The ELTONHEAD family was from Prescot,  Lancashire, England where RICHARD was born  ca 1582 and died ca 1664. ANNE SUTTON's father is EDWARD SUTTON but many say his wife is a HARRINGTON but some professionals that do medieval genealogy says this is untrue. So, I am looking for the correct wife of Edward Sutton that would be my grandmother plus I need Edward Sutton's parents. I think EDWARD SUTTON was born in the mid  1560's. This is some data I have on EDWARD SUTTON of RUSHTON SPENCER : Collections for a History of Saffordshire: "Between John Davenport, armiger, Edward Cotton, armiger, EDMUND SUUTON, gentleman, and WILLIAM SUTTON complaints, and EDWARD SUTTON, gentleman , and ANNE his wife, and JOHN EARD:EY, gentleman, and ALICE, his wife, deforciants of a messuage, a garden, 100 acres of land, 30 acres omeadow, 100 acres of pasture, and 20 acres of wood in Rushton Spencer, Ravenscloug-he, and Clowdewood. My ANNE SUTTON was the younger sister of ALICE, who married JOHN YARDLEY (EEARDLEY) of Audley in 1601.   The lordship of the manor of Rushton Spencer had beed divided into five moieties in the 1500's.   Since EDWARD SUTTON was described as a gentleman from Rushton Spencer it appears likely that he held one of these subdivisions.   Would anyone have info on the correct wife of EDWARD SUTTON and his parents. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Marianne Dillow Illinois

John Found this on Ancestry , but no Nellie- Name: Walter Collins Gender: Male Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883 Date of Arrival: 15 Apr 1905 Vessel: Lake Erie Port of Arrival: St John, New Brunswick Port of Departure: Liverpool, England There was also a Frank Collins, aged 23, on the Lake Erie and I think this is them in 1906 Census. Name: Walter Collins Gender: Male Marital Status: Single Age: 21 Birthplace: England Relation to Head of House: Boarder Immigration Year: 1906 Province: Manitoba Sub-District Description: Ward five Sub-District: 5A Frank is in the same household same details except aged 23yrs. Then I found this -that Walter Harry Collins crossed into Canada from US in Sep 1908, going to Winnipeg Manitoba. So perhaps the above isn't him !! Furthermore I found them all in 1901 in Smethwick and there is no Frank. At 13 Corbett Street, St Michael's Parish Smethwick Walter Harry Collins 45 Sarah Hannah Collins 47 William Fredk Collins 19 Nellie Georgina Collins 17 Walter Harry Collins 15 Edwin Collins 14 Gladys May Collins2 And I found this in 1961 Census of Alberta. Walter H Collins Male Single 31 1885 England 1908 arrival 19, Battle River, Alberta address 47, 3, 4, Merton District English Self (A & B) Townships 45, 46, 47 and 48, ranges 5 and 6, W. 4. M. Walter H Collins aged 31 yrs. Then I found this for Nellie Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945 about Nellie Collins Name: Nellie Collins Arrival Date: 2 Feb 1911 Age: 27 Years Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Gender: Female Ethnic Background: English Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Merion Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Friend's Name: Mrs W Harrison Birthplace: Smethwick, England Perhaps they both arrived through U S A Walter H COLLINS Date of departure: 30 July 1912 Port of departure: Liverpool Passenger destination port: Boston, USA Passenger destination: Boston, USA Date of Birth: 1885 (calculated from age) Age: 27 Marital status: Single Sex: Male Occupation: Joiner Ship: Ship:CYMRIC 106898 White Star Line Arrival Boston, USA Perhaps Nellie left earlier. This is really a list of findings but hope it helps! Helen New Zealand Could some body on the list help regarding emigration to Canada ,it is known that Walter Harry Collins born 1883 of Smethick ,and we think his sister Nellie Georgina Collins emigrated to Alberta Canada in 1905 ,I realise I could try Ancestry ect ,but we don,t know any other details ie Ship ,port of depature ,port of arrival in Canada and some help would be appreciated . john Maddocks New Zealand ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 192 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen