Greetings again Listers Further to my previous email re Elizabeth FARAM 1916-1991, I've been 'googling' and found a list of Tombstones in St Margaret's Churchyard, Wolstanton (not Newcastle-under-Lyme as the Billionsgraves site has) and for 1891 NOT 1991!!! James FARAM of Etruria, 30 Jan 1881, 65 Elizabeth, widow of James FARAM, 18 Jan 1891, 75 George Lewis FARAM, of Etruria, 15 Jan 1890, 24 This fits beautifully so please disregard my previous mailing. Cheers Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Greetings Listers I found, on the Billionsgraves site, a photograph of the Tombstone in St Margaret's Churchyard, Newcastle-under-Lyme for Elizabeth FARAM born 1916, died 1991. As FARAM is a fairly rare surname and one of my ancestral surnames, and as other FARAM Tombstones in the same Churchyard are on my family tree, I am thinking that Elizabeth should be too. However, I can't read the inscription on the photograph and I don't have a likely Elizabeth (as daughter or wife) on my database. Is there anyone who lives near St Margaret's Churchyard who would be able to check the Tombstone for me please? The other two Tombstones listed for FARAM are for George Lewis FARAM who died in 1881 and James FARAM who died in 1880. I'm sorry that I don't have any reference numbers for the plots, but the 1991 burial (or maybe a cremation niche?) being more recent may be a help in finding it. Many thanks Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Paula, Looking at the extra data, you've done exceptionally well to find it all. But I suppose if the minister couldn't christen and record events for his own children, there wasn't much hope for the rest of them. That said, if he was doing the recording, I'm surprised by all the spelling variations. And they aren't picked up by traditional Soundex. Your original message had Samuel being made vicar of Burrough Green in 1650. That confused me but I see you meant 1660. Sue's mention of the Civil War period put an interesting slant on things. Unfortunately, I can't comment on that period in history and the effect it might have on a minister. Peter PS!! I wonder if Brillianah and Vere are simply Latinised attempts at Brilliance and Truth.

Hi Sue, Thank you for that information. I had already looked at Crockford's Clerical Directory on Ancestry, but the information doesn't cover before the 1800's. Fasti Ecclesiae Anglicanae can be found on Archive.org and I was able to download this, but unfotunately there was no mention of WiIliam. The Gentlemen's Magazine starts in the 1700's, so is also too late for what I am after. I'm not a member of the Society of Genealogists so this might be a bit difficult to access the Fawcett Card Index. I have also got as much information as I can from the Clergy of the Church of England Database online, but unfortunately there is no mention of WIlliam Stephenson prior to 1624 or after his resignation in 1647 on there. I've had a look online, but the parish registers for Wigmore aren't availbale to purchase, so it will have to wait awhile until I can get to an LDS centre that has genealogical access. Not all of them do here in Australia. On 7 October 2012 20:53, Sue <familyhistory27@virginmedia.com> wrote: > Also remember that spanning the dates you are researching England was > convulsed with Civil War (1642-1660). The clergy who could not/ would not > conform to Cromwell's new regime were evicted from their livings - ditto > when the monarchy was restored in 1660. Many children were not baptised, > and > some only when the priest returned, Between 1653-1660 responsibility for > the > registers was taken from the church and given to a local official. From > 1653-1660 only civil marriages were allowed, conducted by a Justice of the > peace and were not allowed to take place in church. > This is what happened with William Stephenson going to Burrough Green in Cambridgeshire. in the history of the parish it states that the Vicar prior to William was evicted because he wouldn't conform and William was appointed. So I do at least know that much. Do you know whether recording of burials were affected during this time? I have the parish register transcript for Burrough Green, but apart from 4 baptisms for Samuel's children there are no entries for any other Stephenson's in the register. William & Judith seem to just disappear after 1655 and I'm having problems finding out what happened them. Thank you for your help. Paula Hadgraft Melbourne, Australia

Hi Peter, The information I have from Cambridge University is: Cambridge University Alumni, 1261-1900 Name: William Stevenson College: SIDNEY Entered: 1614 More Information: Adm. sizar at SIDNEY, July 7, 1614. Matric. 1614; B.A. 1617-8; M.A. 1621; B.D. 1631. (Bachelor of Divinity) The baptisms for the children that I have are as follows: 19 Aug 1621 Mary Stephenson, dau of William & Judeth 01 Oct 1626 John Steevensone, son of William & Judith 03 Sep 1628 Samuell Steaphenson, son of William & Judith 19 May 1633 Brillianah Stevenson, dau of William & Judith 30 Aug 1635 Robertt Stevensonne, son of William & Judith I have the following information as well: Minister of WIgmore, Herefordshire, England Bishops of Hereford - Institutions - Wigmore Date Benefice Presentee Patron 1624 Jun 2 Wigmore. V William Stephenson, M.A. The bishop. I have a Clerical Detail of him in 1642, from the Clergy of the Church of England database listing him as the Vicar of Wigmore & Leynthall. From: The manuscripts of His Grace the Duke of Portland, preserved at Welbeck Abbey .. pg 157 William Stephenson to the parishioners of Wigmore and Leinthall Starkes. 1647, April 30, Burrough Green - Offering to resume his post as their minister. Burrough Green, Cambridgeshire Date of Institution Rector Patron 1650 William Stephenson Anthony Cage 1654 Samuel Stephenson Anthony Cage This is what I have for his two sons Samuel & Robert from Cambridge: Cambridge University Alumni, 1261-1900 Name: Samuel Stephenson College: TRINITY Entered: 1649 More Information: Adm. sizar at TRINITY, Jan. 2, 1647-8. Of Salop. Matric. Tutor, Mr Davies 1649; B.A. 1651-2; M.A. 1655. Ord. priest (Bishop of Ardfert) Aug. 25, 1660. R. of Burrough Green, Cambs., 1656. V. of Winston, Suffolk, 1660. Perhaps father of the next. Cambridge University Alumni, 1261-1900 Name: Robert Stephenson College: MAGDALENE Entered: 1655 Died: 10 Jun 1695 More Information: Adm. sizar (age 18) at MAGDALENE, June 8, 1655. S. of William, of Burrough Green, Cambs. School, Sudbury. Matric. 1655; B.A. 1658; M.A. 1662. Head Master, Woodbridge School, 1662-3, and of Ipswich, 1664-95. Died June 10, 1695. Buried in St Mary Quay, Ipswich. M.I. William is mentioned in 1655 on Robert's admittance and that is the last entry I have for him. Both the Cambridgshire and Suffolk Burials have been checked but no burial for either William or Judith has been found there, which has lead me to checking the surrounding counties. Samuel also has a daugther Brillianah and also a daughter Vere, both of which are unusual names. I would think they must be family names. This is all I know about William at present. Paula On 7 October 2012 19:57, Peter R Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Paula, > > Can't help much, but it seems you're on the right track. > > It's a pity you didn't give names and dates for the four christening in > Wigmore. I could only find two. > I'd also recommend trying to keep posts in chronological order. It helps > get > a wider picture of events. > > If indeed Mary born 1621 is their first child, it seems he married, > graduated, had a child and was appointed to Nayland all in the space of > 12-18 months. 3 years later he looks to be appointed to Wigmore. Did > appointments stretch across county borders? > > I'm imagining Samuel was born about 1624. Samuel's appointment to > replace his father as vicar of Burrough Green suggests William was over 60. > I'm not sure if there was a retiring age? But that would support the data > on > the Ancestry tree which has him born 1591 to Hugh. > > Peter > > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Paula, Can't help much, but it seems you're on the right track. It's a pity you didn't give names and dates for the four christening in Wigmore. I could only find two. I'd also recommend trying to keep posts in chronological order. It helps get a wider picture of events. If indeed Mary born 1621 is their first child, it seems he married, graduated, had a child and was appointed to Nayland all in the space of 12-18 months. 3 years later he looks to be appointed to Wigmore. Did appointments stretch across county borders? I'm imagining Samuel was born about 1624. Samuel's appointment to replace his father as vicar of Burrough Green suggests William was over 60. I'm not sure if there was a retiring age? But that would support the data on the Ancestry tree which has him born 1591 to Hugh. Peter

Thanks very much Andrew, it all helps, I am interested in a William & Mary so you never know. Cheers Gwyneth On 7/10/12 12:19 AM, "Andrew Hough" <andrew.hough@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Hello Gwyneth, > >> ... The Clewley's seem to have gone into thin air. > > I doubt if they are related but an uncle of mine was Percy Appleby > Clewley, born in 1902 in Willenhall, Staffordshire. His family can be > traced back to a William Clewley, born in Willenhall c. 1800. > (Willenhall is about 15 miles west of Tamworth.) > > I must agree there seem to be few Clewleys in the area nowadays. If you > are searching for the name Clewley, also try Clewly and Clewlay. I have > found records with both of these variations. > > Good luck > > Andrew Hough > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply > to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of > messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. > It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone, I'm new to the Staffordshire list and to research in Staffordshire. I'm hoping that there maybe some STEPHENSON researchers on the list who can maybe help me. I have a WILLIAM STEPHENSON b. abt 1595, who went to Cambridge University and received his M.A. in 1621. He married Judith sometime around 1620, but not sure exactly when as I haven't been able to find a marriage yet. I have had the Cambridgeshire and Herefordshire marriage indexes searched, but no marriage was found. On 2 Jun 1624 he was appointed the Vicar of Wigmore in Herefordshire. He stayed there until 1647 when he resigned and then became the Vicar of Burrough Green in Cambridgeshire. He had 4 children baptised at Wigmore after he became Vicar and possibly one more child Mary in 1621 in Higham by Nayland, Suffolk. His son SAMUEL STEPHENSON also became the Rector of Burrough Green in 1650 before moving to Winston in Suffolk in 1656 to become the Vicar there. I have no further reference to William or Judith after 1655. However I did find on Ancestry two entries that I am hoping are him and his wife. There are 2 burials, both at Newcastle Under Lyme. Entries as follows: Staffordshire, England, Extracted Parish Records Text: 13 Nov 1658 Judith, w. of William Stevenson, of the Crosse. Book: Burials. (Burial) Collection: Staffordshire: Newcastle Under Lyme - Parish Registers, 1563-1705 Staffordshire, England, Extracted Parish Records Text: 04 Aug 1668 William Steevenson. Book: Burials. (Burial) Collection: Staffordshire: Newcastle Under Lyme - Parish Registers, 1563-1705 I am wondering if there maybe any additional information with regards to William, such as if he was a Vicar. Someone else on Ancestry seems to think that he was the son of Hughe Stephenson baptised 27 Jul 1591 in Caverswall. Hughe supposedly had another daughter baptised there named Alice. Yet neither Hughe or Alice are names that feature anywhere in my Stephenson tree and my line were pretty adamant about using family names regarding the naming of their children. I have also looked at the Stephenson line from Burslem, but there are a few William's that I found which have me confused. If anyone is able to help me at all that would be wonderful, as I am kind of stuck and not sure where to go from here. Thanks for taking the time to read this and any assistance that is offered. Kind regards, Paula Hadgraft Melbourne, Australia

Referring to Ancestral Trails by Mark D HERBER he suggests the Crockford's Clerical Directory, copies of which are held at most County Record Offices also the Clerical Guide. He also states that senior clergy from 1066 to 1857 and officials of Oxford and Cambridge Universities are listed (with biographical details) in Fasti Ecclesiae Anglicanae, originally compiled (up to 1715) by John Le Neve, continued up to 1854 by Hardy. He also suggests that you study the actual parish registers prepared by the clergyman in question as they sometimes noted dates of personal interest within them. The Society of Genealogists also hold an index called the Fawcett card index of clergy which has picked up details from such sources as parish registers, Cambridge and Oxford University registers, Gentleman's magazine and Musgrave's Obituary, and Wills. Also remember that spanning the dates you are researching England was convulsed with Civil War (1642-1660). The clergy who could not/ would not conform to Cromwell's new regime were evicted from their livings - ditto when the monarchy was restored in 1660. Many children were not baptised, and some only when the priest returned, Between 1653-1660 responsibility for the registers was taken from the church and given to a local official. From 1653-1660 only civil marriages were allowed, conducted by a Justice of the peace and were not allowed to take place in church. Regards Sue Lote nee DERRY Names of Interest: DERRY, LOTE, RUSSELL, BLOORE, GLOVER, BLAKEMORE, DORSETT, SEAGER, VALANCE, HAYWARD, WEBSTER - All in and around the Home of the BROWNHILLS SAXON HOARD: Ogley Hay, Norton Canes, Walsall Wood, Aldridge, Stonnall, Burntwood. -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paula Hadgraft Sent: 07 October 2012 09:47 To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] William Stephenson b. c1595

There was no retiring age for Church of England clergy until the 1970's. It is now 70, I think. Parishes may well have stretched across county borders, though not across diocesan borders. Anne On 7 Oct 2012, at 09:57, Peter R Booth wrote: > Paula, > > > If indeed Mary born 1621 is their first child, it seems he married, > graduated, had a child and was appointed to Nayland all in the space of > 12-18 months. 3 years later he looks to be appointed to Wigmore. Did > appointments stretch across county borders? > > I'm imagining Samuel was born about 1624. Samuel's appointment to > replace his father as vicar of Burrough Green suggests William was over 60. > I'm not sure if there was a retiring age? > Peter > > >

Hello Gwyneth, > ... The Clewley's seem to have gone into thin air. I doubt if they are related but an uncle of mine was Percy Appleby Clewley, born in 1902 in Willenhall, Staffordshire. His family can be traced back to a William Clewley, born in Willenhall c. 1800. (Willenhall is about 15 miles west of Tamworth.) I must agree there seem to be few Clewleys in the area nowadays. If you are searching for the name Clewley, also try Clewly and Clewlay. I have found records with both of these variations. Good luck Andrew Hough

Thanks Peter, just trying to find when Elizabeth died, proving her parents, finding siblings etc. I would be happy to hear from anyone searching the Clewley line. Cheers Gwyneth

Gwyneth, Not sure what you're hoping to find. You gave us a) Elizabeth Clewley married Joseph Hastilow 24 Nov 1823 Tamworth. b) Elizabeth died between 1829 & 1832 when Joseph married Theodosia Simkins Even if the records exist, there's probably a 50/50 chance that witnesses are church officers. And she's definitely died. Any record or MI would probably only say her name and wife of Joseph. So it's not providing any new information. I question whether it's worth the effort with such a low chance of a result. Peter

Hello, Many thanks to those who replied with suggestions to finding the marriage/death of Elizabeth Clewley. As I can't find the marriage on Famiysearch can anyone suggest please how I would find the witnesses to the marriage? I have been tracing the children of the marriage, William Chris 1825, Joseph Chris 1829 & Elizabeth Chris 1827. All born Tamworth, Staffordshire. Joseph married Emma Bush and named a son Robert Clewley Hastilow so I am on the right track. I'm delighted to have found my William in the 1851 census with his brother Joseph. No wonder I hadn't found it before, William is listed as 'Willin Hastolow' still in area. So that narrows down the time frame of when William moved to Newcastle-upon-Tyne. I have a part diary of his wife to be - Marion Dodds - written in 1857 and Mr Hastilow is visiting her then. They married 1860 and sailed to New Zealand so the 1841/1851 census is my only opportunity of picking him up. William was working for Hawkes Grayshaw up till his marriage. Try as I may I can't find William in the 1841 census. Also haven't found anything on Elizabeth. Any suggestions please? Cheers Gwyneth Sydney

You need to write to the Archives and ask them to send you a Printed Copy from the Parish Register, also the children's baptism's, the Registers will give you a lot more information. The Archives do charge for the Copies though. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2 -----Original Message----- From: Gwyneth Watson User <cannycot@gmail.com> Sender: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 08:38:45 To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Hastilow/Clewley Hello, Many thanks to those who replied with suggestions to finding the marriage/death of Elizabeth Clewley. As I can't find the marriage on Famiysearch can anyone suggest please how I would find the witnesses to the marriage? I have been tracing the children of the marriage, William Chris 1825, Joseph Chris 1829 & Elizabeth Chris 1827. All born Tamworth, Staffordshire. Joseph married Emma Bush and named a son Robert Clewley Hastilow so I am on the right track. I'm delighted to have found my William in the 1851 census with his brother Joseph. No wonder I hadn't found it before, William is listed as 'Willin Hastolow' still in area. So that narrows down the time frame of when William moved to Newcastle-upon-Tyne. I have a part diary of his wife to be - Marion Dodds - written in 1857 and Mr Hastilow is visiting her then. They married 1860 and sailed to New Zealand so the 1841/1851 census is my only opportunity of picking him up. William was working for Hawkes Grayshaw up till his marriage. Try as I may I can't find William in the 1841 census. Also haven't found anything on Elizabeth. Any suggestions please? Cheers Gwyneth Sydney ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry I don't know who the witnesses were. I have a christening of Elizabeth Clewley, parents William & Mary, 4 Aug 1793 Tamworth however can't confirm at this stage if the right one. The 1841 census lists Joseph Hastilow with Theodosia as his wife, their first child born 1834 hence my tight timeline of 1829-1832 for Elizabeth to have died. Cheers Gwyneth Sydney

Hello Peter, Yes my guess is Elizabeth christened 4 Aug 1793. The 1841 census is no help as it lists Joseph Hastilow with his second wife Theodosia Simkins. I've spent the afternoon searching Ancestry - not much luck there either, though plenty on the Hastilow line. The Clewley's seem to have gone into thin air. Thanks for your help Gwyneth Sydney

Gwyneth, In amongst all the 54 other suggested responses on Family Search, there are only three possible christenings. Elizabeth Clewley England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 04 Aug 1793 TAMWORTH,?STAFFORD,?ENGLAND parents: Wm. Clewley,? Mary Elizabeth Clewley England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 07 Feb 1808 SAINT MATTHEW,?WALSALL,?STAFFORD,?ENGLAND parents: Henry Clewley,? Phebe Elizabeth Clewley England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 30 Mar 1800 SAINT MARY,?STAFFORD,?STAFFORD,?ENGLAND parents: John Clewley,? Sarah How you'd choose between them is guesswork. The one in Tamworth looks most likely and she names her first child William. But she'd be 30 when married in 1823. That may explain probable death through childbirth complications around 1829. Walsall is about 6 miles from Tamworth while Stafford is about double that distance. I'd be checking children born to each set of parents and then I'd be looking at any Clewley families in 1841 census around Tamworth. Peter

Hello, I¹ve just joined the list and was wondering if someone can point me in the right direction please. I¹m revisiting this line and wondered if anyone can shed some light on Elizabeth Clewley who married Joseph Hastilow 24 Nov 1823 Tamworth. Children William B 1825 Hopwas (my GGGrandfather), Elizabeth B1827 Tamworth and Joseph B1829 Hopwas. Father Joseph died 14 Nov 1880 at Hopwas. It seems Elizabeth died between 1829 & 1832 when Joseph married Theodosia Simkins and at least 4 more children born. Theodosia died 1869 Tamworth. Many thanks, Gwyneth Sydney

>The Clewley's seem to have gone into thin air. Not a lot of help, but we had a CLEWLEY in our class at Blue Coat Walsall in the late 50's, so must they have lived in Walsall then. Brian NICHOLLS, MASON Walsall KINDER Hanbury