CHARLES CHRISTOPHER BRYAN (BRIEN): Born 1810, Wolverhamprton. Died 1875 Birmingham. ANN (HANNORA) FLINN: Born circa 1807, CAPE TOWN PROVINCE, SOUTH AFRICA. Died 1896 Birmingham. These two people married at Bushbury Parish Church on 9/2/1834. Charles's name was spellt 'BRIEN' on the marriage record. They had four children: MARY ANN: Born 1838, Wolverhampton. Died 1866, Birmingham. EMILY: Born 1843, Wolverhampton. Died 1850, Wolverhampton. CHARLES CHRISTOPHER: Born 1845, Wolverhampton. Died 1900, Birmingham. Married MARTHA BECKETT (from Stratford on Avon) 1867, Birmingham. MARTHA BECKETT was my great-grandmother. ALICE: Born 1850, Wolverhamton. Died 1928. Never married. I would welcome any interest from anyone researching the above family particularly if they have any information about ANN FLINN's family. Regards, Mike Walker

Greg, FamilySearch has a burial on 14th Jan 1800 at Burslem. It says age 0 but because the date is what you are looking for it would be worth checking the register to see if the "age 0", as transcribed, is right. Regards Peter Hi Lin, Many thanks for your offer. I have already spent many hours in the archives at Stafford researching these guys so please don't waste any of your precious research time doing a general search. However, if you find a burial for John Brook (e) s abt 15th Jan 1800 in any of the parishes around Stafford, I would love to know. Many thanks, Greg Lewin Hi Greg living in Stafford I know all of the locations you have mentioned, most interesting. St Thomas was a Priory at Berkswich (known as Baswich today.) Castle Church is still there on the Newport Road which runs up to Haughton. Maybe John was buried at St Mary's which is in the Town Centre. I am going to Stafford Archives this week will have a look for you. Linda. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2 Hi, Help! My Staffordshire brickwall is: Thomas BROOKES, abt 1759-1827 baker in Stafford, later miller at St Thomas and finally farmer of Weeping Cross. He married Elizabeth PERRY at St Mary, Stafford, 7 Sep 1782. She was the daughter of Mary PADMORE and Humphrey PERRY. Thomas and Elizabeth BROOKES had nine children. Most died unmarried but Ann BROOKES married William MOUNTFORT (of New Grange, Meerbrook, Leek) and emigrated to South Africa in 1820. Ellen BROOKES married Richard BASKERVILLE and had several children. William BROOKES married Mary SWANN daughter of William SWANN, Gent, of Haughton, and had a son, John. Thomas was brother to John BROOK(E)S 1748-1800 farmer of Lees Farm, Castle Church, Stafford. John died Jan 14th, 1800 but was not registered as buried at Castle Church. I'd love to find out where he was buried - maybe it would be a clue as to where to look for John and Thomas's parents. John married Margery ASHTON. The family seem to have a connection to the STARKEY family of Stafford. Thomas was apprenticed to Joseph STARKEY, witnessed his will and appears to have taken over his bakery business in St Chad's parish, Stafford. Joseph STARKEY owned Lees Farm when he died in 1781. Any suggestions gratefully received! Happy New Year! Greg Lewin, Bridgnorth, UK

Hi Lin, Many thanks for your offer. I have already spent many hours in the archives at Stafford researching these guys so please don't waste any of your precious research time doing a general search. However, if you find a burial for John Brook (e) s abt 15th Jan 1800 in any of the parishes around Stafford,  I would love to know. Many thanks, Greg Lewin -------- Original message -------- From: linlamberg@btinternet.com Date: To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Thomas BROOKES, Stafford c1750-1827, also PERRY, PADMORE, SWANN, BASKERVILLE, ASHTON, STARKEY Hi Greg living in Stafford I know all of the locations you have mentioned, most interesting. St Thomas was a Priory at Berkswich (known as Baswich today.) Castle Church is still there on the Newport Road which runs up to Haughton.  Maybe John was buried at St Mary's which is in the Town Centre.  I am going to Stafford Archives this week will have a look for you.  Linda. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2 -----Original Message----- From: "Greg Lewin" <greg@greglewin.co.uk> Sender: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 19:10:50 To: <STAFFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Thomas BROOKES, Stafford c1750-1827, also PERRY, PADMORE, SWANN, BASKERVILLE, ASHTON, STARKEY Hi, Help! My Staffordshire brickwall is: Thomas BROOKES, abt 1759-1827 baker in Stafford, later miller at St Thomas and finally farmer of Weeping Cross. He married Elizabeth PERRY at St Mary, Stafford, 7 Sep 1782. She was the daughter of Mary PADMORE and Humphrey PERRY. Thomas and Elizabeth BROOKES had nine children. Most died unmarried but Ann BROOKES married William MOUNTFORT (of New Grange, Meerbrook, Leek) and emigrated to South Africa in 1820. Ellen BROOKES married Richard BASKERVILLE and had several children. William BROOKES married Mary SWANN daughter of William SWANN, Gent, of Haughton, and had a son, John. Thomas was brother to John BROOK(E)S 1748-1800 farmer of Lees Farm, Castle Church, Stafford. John died Jan 14th, 1800 but was not registered as buried at Castle Church. I'd love to find out where he was buried - maybe it would be a clue as to where to look for John and Thomas's parents. John married Margery ASHTON. The family seem to have a connection to the STARKEY family of Stafford. Thomas was apprenticed to Joseph STARKEY, witnessed his will and appears to have taken over his bakery business in St Chad's parish, Stafford. Joseph STARKEY owned Lees Farm when he died in 1781. Any suggestions gratefully received! Happy New Year! Greg Lewin, Bridgnorth, UK ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

An interesting half page writeup appeared in our local newspaper January 3rd in regard to members of the military who deceased in Wales while in camp following the end of WW1. I'm copying the first three paragraphs in order to give a brief explanation of what is described in the article. "Tourists visiting an historic church in Wales will now be able to use their smartphones to learn the history behind the more than 80 Canadian war graves that line the church yard. The graves, located outside St.Margaret's Church in Bodelwyddan, which attracts thousands of visitors, are now marked with QR codes. When a tourist scans the code with a smartphone camera, it will automatically download an information package detailing the history behind the graves " The writer is Sheena Goodyear. Her article was written for the Sunmedia newspaper chain. Listers interested in reading more of her report can contact her by eMail .... sheena.goodyear@sunmedia.ca A colour photograph, measuring 9 inches x 6 inches, of a section of the gravesite is included in the article. I am forwarding this mail to the Staffordshire and Yorkshire lists, to which I am subscribed, as I believe there are many Canadians similarly subscribed.. I am not subbed to the Wales lists, ( although I do have cousins in Colwyn Bay ) and would ask that a lister who is subscribed please to send on. Thank you and cheers, James. .

Hi Greg living in Stafford I know all of the locations you have mentioned, most interesting. St Thomas was a Priory at Berkswich (known as Baswich today.) Castle Church is still there on the Newport Road which runs up to Haughton. Maybe John was buried at St Mary's which is in the Town Centre. I am going to Stafford Archives this week will have a look for you. Linda. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2 -----Original Message----- From: "Greg Lewin" <greg@greglewin.co.uk> Sender: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 19:10:50 To: <STAFFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Thomas BROOKES, Stafford c1750-1827, also PERRY, PADMORE, SWANN, BASKERVILLE, ASHTON, STARKEY Hi, Help! My Staffordshire brickwall is: Thomas BROOKES, abt 1759-1827 baker in Stafford, later miller at St Thomas and finally farmer of Weeping Cross. He married Elizabeth PERRY at St Mary, Stafford, 7 Sep 1782. She was the daughter of Mary PADMORE and Humphrey PERRY. Thomas and Elizabeth BROOKES had nine children. Most died unmarried but Ann BROOKES married William MOUNTFORT (of New Grange, Meerbrook, Leek) and emigrated to South Africa in 1820. Ellen BROOKES married Richard BASKERVILLE and had several children. William BROOKES married Mary SWANN daughter of William SWANN, Gent, of Haughton, and had a son, John. Thomas was brother to John BROOK(E)S 1748-1800 farmer of Lees Farm, Castle Church, Stafford. John died Jan 14th, 1800 but was not registered as buried at Castle Church. I'd love to find out where he was buried - maybe it would be a clue as to where to look for John and Thomas's parents. John married Margery ASHTON. The family seem to have a connection to the STARKEY family of Stafford. Thomas was apprenticed to Joseph STARKEY, witnessed his will and appears to have taken over his bakery business in St Chad's parish, Stafford. Joseph STARKEY owned Lees Farm when he died in 1781. Any suggestions gratefully received! Happy New Year! Greg Lewin, Bridgnorth, UK ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Help! My Staffordshire brickwall is: Thomas BROOKES, abt 1759-1827 baker in Stafford, later miller at St Thomas and finally farmer of Weeping Cross. He married Elizabeth PERRY at St Mary, Stafford, 7 Sep 1782. She was the daughter of Mary PADMORE and Humphrey PERRY. Thomas and Elizabeth BROOKES had nine children. Most died unmarried but Ann BROOKES married William MOUNTFORT (of New Grange, Meerbrook, Leek) and emigrated to South Africa in 1820. Ellen BROOKES married Richard BASKERVILLE and had several children. William BROOKES married Mary SWANN daughter of William SWANN, Gent, of Haughton, and had a son, John. Thomas was brother to John BROOK(E)S 1748-1800 farmer of Lees Farm, Castle Church, Stafford. John died Jan 14th, 1800 but was not registered as buried at Castle Church. I'd love to find out where he was buried - maybe it would be a clue as to where to look for John and Thomas's parents. John married Margery ASHTON. The family seem to have a connection to the STARKEY family of Stafford. Thomas was apprenticed to Joseph STARKEY, witnessed his will and appears to have taken over his bakery business in St Chad's parish, Stafford. Joseph STARKEY owned Lees Farm when he died in 1781. Any suggestions gratefully received! Happy New Year! Greg Lewin, Bridgnorth, UK

Hi All The Staffs BMD has been updated with the following records .... Births: 1,505 for Burslem, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1908-1909) 1,501 for Fenton, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1899-1900) regards Bill ======================================================================== The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk

Many thanks for the ideas. Ruth I used one of your links and shall send for Samuel Bagnall’s will copy for 1745. If the Downing’s were loyal servants he may have made provision. They do not appear to have moved far. Now if I could just find out if they had children. I keep coming back to this pair. All this to fast forward to find Michael Downing. Born approximately 1756. I know where he died, where he was married, where his children were born and that he was big on family naming but no birth. As he is one of the tree trunks I am stuck. I even sent for his death certificate in case he had another name. Anyway, thankyou all again but should you see him. Helen

Hi Helen I have a lovely local book called Lightwood and Locality, it has lots of mentions re Rough close, with photos - dont know if you can still get copies it was compiled by a local history society This is from their site: http://localedition.blogspot.co.uk/2008/02/lightwood-locality.html Lightwood & Locality Local books, with Fred Hughes ‘LIGHTWOOD and Locality’ is a local history book published in 2003 by the Shooters Hill and Lightwood Heritage Group written by Gillian and Anthony Swift. It is big book crammed with a mass of research, illustrated documents and period photograph and achieves exactly what the authors have set out to do: to produce a glorious compendium of oral history of one of North Staffordshire’s most historical districts. This bumper book covers Meir, Meir Heath and Rough Close as well as the two localities of the title. Embracing every aspect of community life it describes its Roman connections and the discovery of the famous Lightwood Hoard. Lisa x -----Original Message----- From: Helen Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 2:33 PM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Rough Close Have tried to fathom what Rough Close was like in mid seventeen hundreds but information limited. Looking for Job and Mary Downing who were buried in Stone but were from Rough Close. Any information would be welcome. Thankyou Helen ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Helen Not quite sure whether you are looking for a map or a description. And also not sure where you've looked already. But anyway, here goes ... You could ring or email Staffordshire Record Office http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/archives/ to ask about maps of the area/time which they may hold. That is, if it's a map you're looking for. However, if you want a description (acreage, type of land, property on it, etc.) try A2A who have info re conveyances of property known as Rough Close and insurance documents which may carry a description. The A2A website http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ will tell you exactly where the documents are held. Then take your enquiry there. You can also check on A2A where Samuel Bagnall's estate records are held which you could then trawl through. If you're very lucky you may be able to find them on the web, otherwise you will have to hand-trawl them wherever they are held (a slow but fascinating experience during which you can learn LOTS)! If he is the Samuel Bagnall, lord of the manor of Walton - then Staffordshire RO has info about him. Have you checked early Trade Directories? They often give a description of towns and villages. http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/ And then there's Google Books to search on the web http://books.google.co.uk/ Good for antiquarian books which Google have digitised. I did notice, however, that there's more than one Rough Close in Staffordshire. Good luck with your search. Ruth

Hi Helen and Trev The numbers on the map are fields and their sizes in acres - page gives this explanation http://www.old-maps.co.uk/histmaps_legend_countyseries_--500..pdf. Without a property name or some other point of reference (e.g. next door to the church) I doubt that you will be able to pinpoint where the house was. You might have more luck contacting local historians or the library/record offices http://www.staffshistory.org.uk/. hth, > > Hi Helen, > > I was hoping the 880''s map may have helped to give some idea of the area at > least - with the roads of the time and the important pubs and the chapel. > I'm not sure what the figures (eg 71 ..17)) mean or meant but appear to > relate to properties/farming fields. Maybe more will appear on the site in > future. > > Trev

Thank you to Peter R.B, Norm Simcock, Baz, Jackie, for all the information you have given me. I will certainly follow these suggestions. I have followed the Emily Hodson/Whittle line with some success and found that Thomas Henry born 1916 died 1917, but nothing on Herbert Robert born 1908 . I will check the marriage for Herbert Robert in 1942 to check if he married a Violet Deans, this name was given to me by a relative but I didn't connect it to Herbert. Grateful thanks. n.abrooks@bigpond.com 5.01.2013 11.20am

-----Original Message----- From: Trevor White Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 9:19 PM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Rough Close Hi Helen, I was hoping the 1880's map may have helped to give some idea of the area at least - with the roads of the time and the important pubs and the chapel. I'm not sure what the figures (eg 171 6.217) mean or meant but appear to relate to properties/farming fields. Maybe more will appear on the site in future. Trev Dear Trevor, Went back to the map. You are quite right. Barlaston is reasonably close, as the map goes and the estate lands may have strayed that far. Helen

Dear Trevor, Thankyou for the site which I have checked out. Job Downing was paying tax in 1747 for a property in Rough Close but the site is able to give little sense of the area which is a shame. I was hoping to prove that Job and his wife Mary were once servants of Samuel Bagnall of Barlaston. Thankyou again. Helen Hi Helen, I was hoping the 1880's map may have helped to give some idea of the area at least - with the roads of the time and the important pubs and the chapel. I'm not sure what the figures (eg 171 6.217) mean or meant but appear to relate to properties/farming fields. Maybe more will appear on the site in future. Trev

-----Original Message----- From: Trevor White Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 7:08 PM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Rough Close I don't know if you have spotted this site or, indeed, whether it helps at all http://www.roughclose.org/ Trev Have tried to fathom what Rough Close was like in mid seventeen hundreds but information limited. Looking for Job and Mary Downing who were buried in Stone but were from Rough Close. Any information would be welcome. Thankyou Helen ****************************** Dear Trevor, Thankyou for the site which I have checked out. Job Downing was paying tax in 1747 for a property in Rough Close but the site is able to give little sense of the area which is a shame. I was hoping to prove that Job and his wife Mary were once servants of Samuel Bagnall of Barlaston. Thankyou again. Helen

I don't know if you have spotted this site or, indeed, whether it helps at all http://www.roughclose.org/ Trev -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Helen Sent: 04 January 2013 2:34 PM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Rough Close Have tried to fathom what Rough Close was like in mid seventeen hundreds but information limited. Looking for Job and Mary Downing who were buried in Stone but were from Rough Close. Any information would be welcome. Thankyou Helen ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Bill and John, that sounds most interesting, will have to get over there and visit Heath House. Not sure if this Phillips family is the one the OP was searching for? Linda.

Nancye, Some approximate dates would be helpful as that would determine which resources to use. If it's after 1837, you should find marriage on FreeBMD. Unfortunately, you will then need to use census records from 1841-1911 to find children and where they were living. Peter

Researching the WHITTLE family who lived in the Bilston/Walsall area , he Was a coal miner, wife Violet. I am trying to find children of the above couple. Any information would be very much appreciated. Nancye in Australia. n.abrooks@bigpond.com 4.01.2013 4pm

The Phillips family of Tean Mill referred to by Bill are still in the area at Heath House, a super place to arrange a group visit. It was the subject of a TV programme a couple of years ago in the country House rescue series. Well worth a visit - lovely villa and gardens - nice people. The following links will give more information. The Philips Family - Friends of The Heath House Tean Hall Mills History regards, John Bennett On 4 Jan 2013, at 13:00, "Harrison Genealogy" <bill@harrisongenealogy.co.uk> wrote: > Lin > > The PHILLIPS Family were quite a "well to do" family in Checkley and owned > the Tape and ribbon Mill in Tean about 3 miles from Checkley. > > I have a couple of PHILLIPS from the Checkley area on my family tree which > is online on my website .... URL Below .... > >> From my recollections the JOLLEY family were from the Leek area > > NB - Checkley was on the London to Liverpool stagecoach route > > Regards > > Bill >