Thanks Paul, that makes so much more sense, cheers from Linda.

Paul wrote: it's important to keep in the mind that "Registration County" was a creation purely for statistical purposes. It had no other significance. A small correction. Registration Districts were usually based on the former Unions. The borders of these Unions in turn had been created for ease of transport - on foot. The centre of administration of a Union (usually close to the site of the Workhouse) was designed so that people could travel there and back from anywhere in the Union (or out and back in the case of officials) in ONE DAY. If there were steep hills or uncrossable rivers, then the Union border would not necessarily follow a county border. In my own area of West Dorset, Lyme Regis has always been in Dorset but was in the RD of Axminster, Devon. Try walking from Lyme Regis to Bridport (very hilly) - the nearest Dorset RD administrative centre - and you will understand why it was put with Axminster (easy walk). To understand how this affected your area of interest in 1851, I strongly suggest that you make use of the LDS Historical maps at http://maps.familysearch.org/ Use the drop-down menu immediately at the top of the map to change the borders for Civil Registration (RDs), Ecclesiastical records (parish, diocese) as well as county etc. It can be quite an eye-opener. Diana

Hi: This thread is going in the wrong direction! Registration Districts were not "in" counties. They were/are an entirely separate concept. Some Registration Districts contained parishes from different counties. For example, Dudley Registration district contained four historic parishes: Dudley, Tipton, Rowley Regis and Sedgley. Dudley parish was in Worcestershire, the other three parishes were in Staffordshire. The registration district as a whole spanned the two counties; it wasn't "in" either of them. Confusion arises for two reasons. First, the Registration Districts usually took the name of one of the parishes that comprised them. This happened with Dudley RD which took the name of Dudley parish. Second, the authorities often wanted to list statistical data by county even though the data had been collected in units that crossed county boundaries. So they arbitrarily allocated each Registration District to a county, purely for statistical purposes. Dudley RD was usually placed under Staffordshire county, but that didn't mean that Dudley parish moved - it was always in Worcestershire. Similarly for Staffs/Derbys near Repton. This is shown on Genuki here: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/sts.html. it's important to keep in the mind that "Registration County" was a creation purely for statistical purposes. It had no other significance. Best wishes Paul On 28 January 2013 11:06, Harrison Genealogy <bill@harrisongenealogy.co.uk> wrote: > No one is saying that Repton isn't in Derbyshire ... IT IS !!! But for some > of the time it was in a Registration District which was in Staffordshire > .... NB These Registration Districts moved about over time ... > > The most well known area is that of DUDLEY which see-sawed between > Staffordshire and Warwickshire for quite some time ...... > > The best information as to what areas a particular Registration District > contained can be found on GenUki .... for England and Wales they can be > found at .... > > http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/index.html > > Hope this helps ! > > Regards > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara H > Sent: 27 January 2013 16:56 > To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Repton in Staffordshire > > As someone who was born there and my father was on Repton Rural > District Council, I can say that Repton always was and still is in > Derbyshire. Historically it was part of the Hundred of Repton & > Gresley both in Derbyshire. The rivers Dove and Trent (going south) > form the county boundary. When you leave the town of Burton-on-Trent > you cross the Trent Bridge. Historically at that point you have > crossed into Derbyshire, but as the town has expanded, it has > enveloped the villages of Winshill and Stapenhill, which have now > been absorbed into Staffordshire. But Repton has not. > > Forget the poor law unions, the registration districts and Ancestry - > Repton is in Derbyshire. > Barbara Harvey > > > At 15:13 27/01/2013, you wrote: >>Thanks Ruth, >> >>What I wanted to know was if the village of Repton was ever within the >>county boundary of Staffordshire. There is a general, local, understanding >>that it was. >> >>It was definitely within the Burton on Trent registration district until it >>became one in its own right. I now suspect that people were not clear on > the >>difference between county boundaries and registration districts. >> >>Many thanks for the links. >> >>Andy >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ruth J" <ruthgenda@btinternet.com> >>To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:10 AM >>Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Repton in Staffordshire >> >> >> > Hi Andy >> > >> > Genuki holds your answers. >> > >> > See here for Repton's history of the parish >> > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Repton/index.html >> > >> > Note particularly its physical situation - 'REPTON is a parish, in the >> > hundred of Repton and Gresley: the village, which is seven miles S.S.E. >> > from Derby and four and a half N.E. from Burton-upon-Trent ... ' > There's >> > your clue. >> > >> > See here for dates and area changes: >> > http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/burton%20upon%20trent.html >> > and http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/repton.html >> > >> > Good luck >> > Ruth >> > ****************************** >> > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not >> > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > ARCHIVED >> > MATERIALS. >> > ****************************** >> > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE >> > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the >> > link. 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Yes, they must have been confused and of course is now in West Midlands!! My lot came from Crick in Northamptonshire, which was sometimes enumerated as Warwickshire in the Census returns as it is very close to the border, now it is a junction on the M1 !! They then came to Staffordshire, branching off to Derbyshire. Jan -----Original Message----- From: linlamberg@btinternet.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:17 AM To: bill@harrisongenealogy.co.uk ; staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Repton in Staffordshire Dudley was Worcestershire & Staffs Bill. Linda. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2 -----Original Message----- From: "Harrison Genealogy" <bill@harrisongenealogy.co.uk> Sender: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:06:11 To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: bill@harrisongenealogy.co.uk, staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Repton in Staffordshire No one is saying that Repton isn't in Derbyshire ... IT IS !!! But for some of the time it was in a Registration District which was in Staffordshire .... NB These Registration Districts moved about over time ... The most well known area is that of DUDLEY which see-sawed between Staffordshire and Warwickshire for quite some time ...... The best information as to what areas a particular Registration District contained can be found on GenUki .... for England and Wales they can be found at .... http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/index.html Hope this helps ! Regards Bill -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara H Sent: 27 January 2013 16:56 To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Repton in Staffordshire As someone who was born there and my father was on Repton Rural District Council, I can say that Repton always was and still is in Derbyshire. Historically it was part of the Hundred of Repton & Gresley both in Derbyshire. The rivers Dove and Trent (going south) form the county boundary. When you leave the town of Burton-on-Trent you cross the Trent Bridge. Historically at that point you have crossed into Derbyshire, but as the town has expanded, it has enveloped the villages of Winshill and Stapenhill, which have now been absorbed into Staffordshire. But Repton has not. Forget the poor law unions, the registration districts and Ancestry - Repton is in Derbyshire. Barbara Harvey At 15:13 27/01/2013, you wrote: >Thanks Ruth, > >What I wanted to know was if the village of Repton was ever within the >county boundary of Staffordshire. There is a general, local, understanding >that it was. > >It was definitely within the Burton on Trent registration district until it >became one in its own right. I now suspect that people were not clear on the >difference between county boundaries and registration districts. > >Many thanks for the links. > >Andy > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ruth J" <ruthgenda@btinternet.com> >To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:10 AM >Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Repton in Staffordshire > > > > Hi Andy > > > > Genuki holds your answers. > > > > See here for Repton's history of the parish > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Repton/index.html > > > > Note particularly its physical situation - 'REPTON is a parish, in the > > hundred of Repton and Gresley: the village, which is seven miles S.S.E. > > from Derby and four and a half N.E. from Burton-upon-Trent ... ' There's > > your clue. > > > > See here for dates and area changes: > > http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/burton%20upon%20trent.html > > and http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/repton.html > > > > Good luck > > Ruth > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ****************************** > > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > > link. 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Dudley was Worcestershire & Staffs Bill. Linda. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2 -----Original Message----- From: "Harrison Genealogy" <bill@harrisongenealogy.co.uk> Sender: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:06:11 To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: bill@harrisongenealogy.co.uk, staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Repton in Staffordshire No one is saying that Repton isn't in Derbyshire ... IT IS !!! But for some of the time it was in a Registration District which was in Staffordshire .... NB These Registration Districts moved about over time ... The most well known area is that of DUDLEY which see-sawed between Staffordshire and Warwickshire for quite some time ...... The best information as to what areas a particular Registration District contained can be found on GenUki .... for England and Wales they can be found at .... http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/index.html Hope this helps ! Regards Bill -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara H Sent: 27 January 2013 16:56 To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Repton in Staffordshire As someone who was born there and my father was on Repton Rural District Council, I can say that Repton always was and still is in Derbyshire. Historically it was part of the Hundred of Repton & Gresley both in Derbyshire. The rivers Dove and Trent (going south) form the county boundary. When you leave the town of Burton-on-Trent you cross the Trent Bridge. Historically at that point you have crossed into Derbyshire, but as the town has expanded, it has enveloped the villages of Winshill and Stapenhill, which have now been absorbed into Staffordshire. But Repton has not. Forget the poor law unions, the registration districts and Ancestry - Repton is in Derbyshire. Barbara Harvey At 15:13 27/01/2013, you wrote: >Thanks Ruth, > >What I wanted to know was if the village of Repton was ever within the >county boundary of Staffordshire. There is a general, local, understanding >that it was. > >It was definitely within the Burton on Trent registration district until it >became one in its own right. I now suspect that people were not clear on the >difference between county boundaries and registration districts. > >Many thanks for the links. > >Andy > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ruth J" <ruthgenda@btinternet.com> >To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:10 AM >Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Repton in Staffordshire > > > > Hi Andy > > > > Genuki holds your answers. > > > > See here for Repton's history of the parish > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Repton/index.html > > > > Note particularly its physical situation - 'REPTON is a parish, in the > > hundred of Repton and Gresley: the village, which is seven miles S.S.E. > > from Derby and four and a half N.E. from Burton-upon-Trent ... ' There's > > your clue. > > > > See here for dates and area changes: > > http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/burton%20upon%20trent.html > > and http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/repton.html > > > > Good luck > > Ruth > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ****************************** > > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > > link. 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No one is saying that Repton isn't in Derbyshire ... IT IS !!! But for some of the time it was in a Registration District which was in Staffordshire .... NB These Registration Districts moved about over time ... The most well known area is that of DUDLEY which see-sawed between Staffordshire and Warwickshire for quite some time ...... The best information as to what areas a particular Registration District contained can be found on GenUki .... for England and Wales they can be found at .... http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/index.html Hope this helps ! Regards Bill -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara H Sent: 27 January 2013 16:56 To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Repton in Staffordshire As someone who was born there and my father was on Repton Rural District Council, I can say that Repton always was and still is in Derbyshire. Historically it was part of the Hundred of Repton & Gresley both in Derbyshire. The rivers Dove and Trent (going south) form the county boundary. When you leave the town of Burton-on-Trent you cross the Trent Bridge. Historically at that point you have crossed into Derbyshire, but as the town has expanded, it has enveloped the villages of Winshill and Stapenhill, which have now been absorbed into Staffordshire. But Repton has not. Forget the poor law unions, the registration districts and Ancestry - Repton is in Derbyshire. Barbara Harvey At 15:13 27/01/2013, you wrote: >Thanks Ruth, > >What I wanted to know was if the village of Repton was ever within the >county boundary of Staffordshire. There is a general, local, understanding >that it was. > >It was definitely within the Burton on Trent registration district until it >became one in its own right. I now suspect that people were not clear on the >difference between county boundaries and registration districts. > >Many thanks for the links. > >Andy > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ruth J" <ruthgenda@btinternet.com> >To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:10 AM >Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Repton in Staffordshire > > > > Hi Andy > > > > Genuki holds your answers. > > > > See here for Repton's history of the parish > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Repton/index.html > > > > Note particularly its physical situation - 'REPTON is a parish, in the > > hundred of Repton and Gresley: the village, which is seven miles S.S.E. > > from Derby and four and a half N.E. from Burton-upon-Trent ... ' There's > > your clue. > > > > See here for dates and area changes: > > http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/burton%20upon%20trent.html > > and http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/repton.html > > > > Good luck > > Ruth > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ****************************** > > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > > link. It's usually from an infected source! > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >****************************** >ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do >not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage >of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. >****************************** >PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. >BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER >follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bigamous yes - my g grandfather married, in England, seven times (1880-1922) so far found. Six were bigamous. He was a bachelor every time and he got younger to match the "brides" - by the time he finished (so far found) he was 22 yrs y9ounger than at his first marriage to my g gran! On another line entirely, I have a gg grandfather - he was a bachelor too at the time of his bigamous 2nd marriage for which he served time - that was here, 1860s Dawn (Melbourne Australia) -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Denise Sent: Sunday, 27 January 2013 9:01 PM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Widows in 18th Century Staffordshire Hi, No you cannot take it as true if it says spinster or bachelor, because the 2nd or 3rd marriage etc may be a bigamous marriage.  I have found this in my own family in the late 1800s. Denise ________________________________ From: Robert Burns <famh1story@aim.com> To: abruce@madasafish.com; staffordshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2013, 21:15 Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Widows in 18th Century Staffordshire Adrian Said So - if it says Spinster or Bachelor, then we can take it as true. If it doesn't say anything, then I DON'T believe we can assume them to be Spinster or Bachelor. I totally disagree with this. I have seen people listed as spinster or bachelor and have been previously married.  Condition at marriage is at the end of the day whatever you want to tell them.  The only part of a marriage cert that can be taken as true are the names of those marrying and the vicars name Rob ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7937 (20130127) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7937 (20130127) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7937 (20130127) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

As someone who was born there and my father was on Repton Rural District Council, I can say that Repton always was and still is in Derbyshire. Historically it was part of the Hundred of Repton & Gresley both in Derbyshire. The rivers Dove and Trent (going south) form the county boundary. When you leave the town of Burton-on-Trent you cross the Trent Bridge. Historically at that point you have crossed into Derbyshire, but as the town has expanded, it has enveloped the villages of Winshill and Stapenhill, which have now been absorbed into Staffordshire. But Repton has not. Forget the poor law unions, the registration districts and Ancestry - Repton is in Derbyshire. Barbara Harvey At 15:13 27/01/2013, you wrote: >Thanks Ruth, > >What I wanted to know was if the village of Repton was ever within the >county boundary of Staffordshire. There is a general, local, understanding >that it was. > >It was definitely within the Burton on Trent registration district until it >became one in its own right. I now suspect that people were not clear on the >difference between county boundaries and registration districts. > >Many thanks for the links. > >Andy > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ruth J" <ruthgenda@btinternet.com> >To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:10 AM >Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Repton in Staffordshire > > > > Hi Andy > > > > Genuki holds your answers. > > > > See here for Repton's history of the parish > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Repton/index.html > > > > Note particularly its physical situation - 'REPTON is a parish, in the > > hundred of Repton and Gresley: the village, which is seven miles S.S.E. > > from Derby and four and a half N.E. from Burton-upon-Trent ... ' There's > > your clue. > > > > See here for dates and area changes: > > http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/burton%20upon%20trent.html > > and http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/repton.html > > > > Good luck > > Ruth > > ****************************** > > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > > MATERIALS. > > ****************************** > > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > > link. It's usually from an infected source! > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >****************************** >ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do >not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage >of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. >****************************** >PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. >BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER >follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All Ruth is correct .... Also remember that albeit much later Methodist circuits went across county boundaries. eg some areas of Staffordshire ie Alstonefield / Mayfield for example were in the Ashbourne Circuit and you will find their Registers in Derbyshire Record Office in Matlock, NOT at Stafford Record Office. As a rule of thumb registration districts followed the same boundaries as the census returns.... Also remember that ALL INFORMATION was heresay ie - Someone spoke it and someone wrote it down !!! Albeit civil registration, census, parish records or whatever ...... So you need to gather as much info as possible and make a valued judgement on the research you are doing. Regards Bill Sent from my iPad On 27 Jan 2013, at 11:51, "Ruth J" <ruthgenda@btinternet.com> wrote: > Andy, you say that you now think 'it's a village myth'. I assume by that you think that Repton was not ever administered by Staffordshire but by Derbyshire. > > > > But it definitely was - and I quoted chapter and verse from the evidence provided by Genuki. You say you have census evidence from 1911 provided by Ancestry that it was. So why is it a myth? I'm confused. > > > > As we don't know exactly why you're asking your original question - we don't have names or dates or places (other than Repton - which could be a village or a district) it's difficult to see what you need. > > > > I'm just going to add a few things to think about. (Facts taken from Oxford Companion to Local and Family History, David Hey, 1996) > > > > *Registration districts were based on the Poor Law Unions that had been created in 1834 with changes made in 1852. PLUs were unions of parishes run by boards of elected guardians. > > > > *From 1 July 1837 the state took responsibility for the registration of all births, marriages and deaths in England and Wales. Originally, there were approx. 650 registration districts. All bmds taking place within a district were to be registered in that same district. This rule still applies today. There are however rules for exceptions (Declarations, marriage licences, etc.) > > > > *The registration system was not completely effective in its early years. Up to 15% of births were not registered between 1837 and 1860. Parents were not penalised for failing to register births until 1875. Supplied information was not verified. Ages at death are particularly suspect. > > > > *Depending on the years you are researching, the name 'Repton' could mean a Rural District Council, a Borough Council, a District Ward, a parish or a village. Within the current Ward of Repton there are 9 parishes - the village of Repton being just one of them - Bretby, Calke, Foremark, Ingleby, Newton Solney, Repton, Repton (Hamlet of Milton), Smisby, Ticknall. See here: http://www.south-derbys.gov.uk/Images/repton%20profile_tcm21-157064.pdf > > > > So no myth, Andy. Just give us more to work with. And thank you - it's a very good exercise. > > > > Ruth > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Ruth, What I wanted to know was if the village of Repton was ever within the county boundary of Staffordshire. There is a general, local, understanding that it was. It was definitely within the Burton on Trent registration district until it became one in its own right. I now suspect that people were not clear on the difference between county boundaries and registration districts. Many thanks for the links. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth J" <ruthgenda@btinternet.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:10 AM Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Repton in Staffordshire > Hi Andy > > Genuki holds your answers. > > See here for Repton's history of the parish > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Repton/index.html > > Note particularly its physical situation - 'REPTON is a parish, in the > hundred of Repton and Gresley: the village, which is seven miles S.S.E. > from Derby and four and a half N.E. from Burton-upon-Trent ... ' There's > your clue. > > See here for dates and area changes: > http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/burton%20upon%20trent.html > and http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/repton.html > > Good luck > Ruth > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with Paul.. My ggrandfather married with one surname the first time and another surname the second..another was a bastard and invented a father to make it look good..so nothing can be taken as true...unless you have backup..I have at least 5 name changes or errors.. Mary Sydney -----Original Message----- From: Paul Prescott Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:05 AM To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Widows in 18th Century Staffordshire Rob: > The only part of a marriage cert that can be taken as true are the names > of those marrying and the vicars name Not even those. Quite a few people change their names, even if only by using a middle name as first name. And "a certificate" involves copying during which names are the most likely fields to be wrongly copied. Not to mention David/Daniel, Caroline/Catherine, etc! Paul ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Andy, you say that you now think 'it's a village myth'. I assume by that you think that Repton was not ever administered by Staffordshire but by Derbyshire. But it definitely was - and I quoted chapter and verse from the evidence provided by Genuki. You say you have census evidence from 1911 provided by Ancestry that it was. So why is it a myth? I'm confused. As we don't know exactly why you're asking your original question - we don't have names or dates or places (other than Repton - which could be a village or a district) it's difficult to see what you need. I'm just going to add a few things to think about. (Facts taken from Oxford Companion to Local and Family History, David Hey, 1996) *Registration districts were based on the Poor Law Unions that had been created in 1834 with changes made in 1852. PLUs were unions of parishes run by boards of elected guardians. *From 1 July 1837 the state took responsibility for the registration of all births, marriages and deaths in England and Wales. Originally, there were approx. 650 registration districts. All bmds taking place within a district were to be registered in that same district. This rule still applies today. There are however rules for exceptions (Declarations, marriage licences, etc.) *The registration system was not completely effective in its early years. Up to 15% of births were not registered between 1837 and 1860. Parents were not penalised for failing to register births until 1875. Supplied information was not verified. Ages at death are particularly suspect. *Depending on the years you are researching, the name 'Repton' could mean a Rural District Council, a Borough Council, a District Ward, a parish or a village. Within the current Ward of Repton there are 9 parishes - the village of Repton being just one of them - Bretby, Calke, Foremark, Ingleby, Newton Solney, Repton, Repton (Hamlet of Milton), Smisby, Ticknall. See here: http://www.south-derbys.gov.uk/Images/repton%20profile_tcm21-157064.pdf So no myth, Andy. Just give us more to work with. And thank you - it's a very good exercise. Ruth

Andy, As I said before the answer is NO Rob -----Original Message----- From: austens <austens@talktalk.net> To: staffordshire <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:11 pm Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Repton in Staffordshire Thanks Ruth, What I wanted to know was if the village of Repton was ever within the county boundary of Staffordshire. There is a general, local, understanding that it was. It was definitely within the Burton on Trent registration district until it became one in its own right. I now suspect that people were not clear on the difference between county boundaries and registration districts. Many thanks for the links. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth J" <ruthgenda@btinternet.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:10 AM Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Repton in Staffordshire > Hi Andy > > Genuki holds your answers. > > See here for Repton's history of the parish > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Repton/index.html > > Note particularly its physical situation - 'REPTON is a parish, in the > hundred of Repton and Gresley: the village, which is seven miles S.S.E. > from Derby and four and a half N.E. from Burton-upon-Trent ... ' There's > your clue. > > See here for dates and area changes: > http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/burton%20upon%20trent.html > and http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/repton.html > > Good luck > Ruth > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, No you cannot take it as true if it says spinster or bachelor, because the 2nd or 3rd marriage etc may be a bigamous marriage.  I have found this in my own family in the late 1800s. Denise ________________________________ From: Robert Burns <famh1story@aim.com> To: abruce@madasafish.com; staffordshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2013, 21:15 Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Widows in 18th Century Staffordshire Adrian Said So - if it says Spinster or Bachelor, then we can take it as true. If it doesn't say anything, then I DON'T believe we can assume them to be Spinster or Bachelor. I totally disagree with this. I have seen people listed as spinster or bachelor and have been previously married.  Condition at marriage is at the end of the day whatever you want to tell them.  The only part of a marriage cert that can be taken as true are the names of those marrying and the vicars name Rob ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Re second marriages to same person...could be that first marriage was in local church, not the one they went to so later they married in their 'right' church....only a suggestion. Robyn, Qld, Oz On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Adrian Bruce <abruce@madasafish.com> wrote: > <<snipped>> > If a marriage took place in Staffordshire ( I'm looking particularly at > Waterfall) in the mid 18th Century was there an absolute requirement to > note > whether the parties were ever married previously? > <<snipped>> > > My gut feeling is no, there was not an absolute requirement. > > My 3G GF married his second wife in Bristol in 1828. Actually, he married > her twice, but nothing he does surprises me. On the first occasion, she is > described as a Spinster and he as a Widower. On the second occasion there > is > nothing about the previous marital condition of either. > > So - if it says Spinster or Bachelor, then we can take it as true. If it > doesn't say anything, then I DON'T believe we can assume them to be > Spinster > or Bachelor. > > > Adrian B > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Robyn Freney-Shaw Manager/Co-Ordinator Spiritus Soup Kitchen Toowoomba.

Rob: > The only part of a marriage cert that can be taken as true are the names of those marrying and the vicars name Not even those. Quite a few people change their names, even if only by using a middle name as first name. And "a certificate" involves copying during which names are the most likely fields to be wrongly copied. Not to mention David/Daniel, Caroline/Catherine, etc! Paul

<<snipped>> Adrian Said So - if it says Spinster or Bachelor, then we can take it as true. If it doesn't say anything, then I DON'T believe we can assume them to be Spinster or Bachelor. I totally disagree with this. I have seen people listed as spinster or bachelor and have been previously married. <<snipped>> You are of course, correct. Let's say instead, "if it says Spinster or Bachelor, then we can take it as true - until shown otherwise". Just like any "fact". The major point was, however, what the absence of such terms means. Adrian B

Ruth, Can you provide a summary for dummies like me.? It seems to say that Repton was always in Derbyshire, but from civil registration purposes from 1837 -1937 it was in the registration district of Burton on Trent. Then in 1937, it became a registration district in it's own right. Have I got it correct? No wonder poor Andy was confused. Peter

<<snipped>> If a marriage took place in Staffordshire ( I'm looking particularly at Waterfall) in the mid 18th Century was there an absolute requirement to note whether the parties were ever married previously? <<snipped>> My gut feeling is no, there was not an absolute requirement. My 3G GF married his second wife in Bristol in 1828. Actually, he married her twice, but nothing he does surprises me. On the first occasion, she is described as a Spinster and he as a Widower. On the second occasion there is nothing about the previous marital condition of either. So - if it says Spinster or Bachelor, then we can take it as true. If it doesn't say anything, then I DON'T believe we can assume them to be Spinster or Bachelor. Adrian B

Many thanks - I'm sure you are right. I think we have been confusing Registration Districts and County boundaries - and its become a village myth. Ancestry does have Repton under the county of Staffordshire in 1911, but otherwise its Derbyshire. People walked to work in Burton or the Earl of Chesterfield's coal mines at Bretby, but had to ford the Trent or use the ferry (1d each way on foot) to get to Derby. So Burton registration made more sense. Thanks again, Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: <famh1story@aol.com> To: <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Repton in Staffordshire? As far as I know Repton was never staffs ------Original Message------ From: austens Sender: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com ReplyTo: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Repton in Staffordshire? Sent: 26 Jan 2013 00:03 Hi all, does anyone know when Repton was in Staffordshire please? Its Derbyshire now and I think ancestry files it there for all the censes. Andy ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message