Certain people years back could not be buried in consecrated ground -= these included illegitimate children and suicides. People who were deemed to hve committed a grave crime in other worlds. Hence so many autopsies came up with the phrase - whilst of unsound mind ... so the person was NOT committing a crime and therefore could be curried in consecrated ground. You may find burials OUTSIDE the church yard for that reason..in the days when the church had burials round it. Here, it is not common as by the 1860s I think there were all public land cemeteries rather than round churchyards though in the very first settlements in Australia, you may well find graves round a church. Consecrated meant - set aside for God - things these days may be consecrated to the Lord's service for example - say, missionaries, or particular items "furniture" - of the church - such items may include the chalice, font etc etc. And I really think it does not have much to do with C of E or not! It is related to sanctity, saints, all those sorts of words come ultimately from the same Latin (and Greek) roots. Dawn (Melbourne Australia) -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Bruce Sent: Sunday, 17 February 2013 11:29 PM To: 'Denise'; staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Public Graves It may be useful to read the FAQ page of the Cemetery Research Group of York University. (No, I didn't realise there was one either...) http://www.york.ac.uk/chp/crg/crgcontext.htm Specifically at http://www.york.ac.uk/chp/crg/crgcontext.htm#cost it says: "In England, people do not 'buy' graves. Two options are available. In the case of an 'unpurchased' or 'public' grave, interment takes place in a grave owned by the local authority. A grave may contain one or coffins of unrelated individuals, since the local authority decides how the plot is to be used. A second option is the purchase of a burial right, for a particular grave. These graves are called 'private' or 'purchased' graves. The owner of the burial right retains the right to decide who is buried in a given plot. " It seems to me therefore that "Pauper's Grave" is a (probably unofficial?) term for a "Public Grave". Re "the difference between consecrated and unconsecrated ground" - at the risk of being thought unhelpful, one lot is consecrated, the other isn't. At http://www.york.ac.uk/chp/crg/crgcontext.htm#same this quote may be useful: "Churchyards are consecrated tracts of land subject to Church or Canon law. ... Cemeteries may contain consecrated sections, which are also subject to Church law. However, for the most part cemeteries are managed under civic legislation. " Perhaps more useful questions are: - Which Church consecrated the ground in a cemetery referred to as "consecrated"? My belief is that "consecrated" in this context means consecrated by the Church of England. - What's the difference in use between "consecrated" and "unconsecrated"? That's where I'm reduced to guessing... I believe that consecrated ground would be used only by the Church of England (CofE) so that the most obvious reason for being buried in unconsecrated is that the person was not CofE. But where CofE cremations would end up, or in what other circumstances a CofE person might end up in non-CofE ground, I don't really know. Adrian B ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8020 (20130217) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8020 (20130217) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

<<snipped>> Consecrated meant - set aside for God ....  And I really think it does not have much to do with C of E or not! <<snipped>> While 'consecrated' as a word certainly applies to all religions, in THIS context (land within public cemeteries), it is pretty clear that it refers to land consecrated to the Church of England, which is, after all, even now the established religion of England. <<snipped>> it seems strange that part of the same cemetery of Burslem, Stoke-on-Trent had parts of consecrated ground and an other part unconsecrated. <<snipped>> Not really. Assuming I haven't got things totally wrong, the consecrated parts were dedicated to CofE use, the unconsecrated parts to other denominations (other religions, even). If the whole of the cemetery were consecrated to the CofE, then CofE rules would apply to all burials - in particular, non-conformists would have had to have been buried in a CofE ceremony. The bad feeling that this generated (because originally, CofE graveyards were usually the only place you could be buried) was one reason that led to municipal cemeteries with non-denominational (i.e. unconsecrated) areas, where non-conformists could have burials according to their own preferred services. I can't remember the differences but I think hymn singing at the graveside was one - a tolerant CofE priest would conduct a burial of a Methodist in a CofE churchyard as a CofE service (he had to - that was Canon Law) and then slip away, leaving the Methodists to complete the service in their own fashion. Regrettably many CofE priests stood on their dignity and refused to allow the Methodists their customs. Hence their desire for their own areas. The unconsecrated areas in these cemeteries are substantial - they're not just for suicides, etc. In the case of the Potteries, there was a substantial nonconformist population, so the cemetery areas would need to be proportional. Adrian B

Dawn Webb wrote, Mon, 18 Feb 2013 06:58:27 +1100 > so the person was NOT committing a crime and > therefore could be curried in consecrated ground. I must remember that.... ;-)

Hi Thank you all, this as been very helpful, but it seems strange that part of the same cemetery of Burslem, Stoke-on-Trent had parts of consecrated ground and an other part unconsecrated.  Denise ________________________________ From: Dawn Webb <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> To: staffordshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 17 February 2013, 19:58 Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Public Graves Certain people years back could not be buried in consecrated ground -= these included illegitimate children and  suicides. People who were deemed to hve committed a grave crime in other worlds. Hence so many autopsies came up with the phrase - whilst of unsound mind ...  so the person was NOT committing a crime and therefore could be curried in consecrated ground. You may find burials OUTSIDE the church yard for that reason..in the days when the church had burials round it.  Here, it is not common as by the 1860s I think there were all public land cemeteries rather than round churchyards though in the very first settlements in Australia, you may well find graves round a church. Consecrated meant - set aside for God - things these days may be consecrated to the Lord's service for example - say, missionaries, or particular items "furniture" - of the church - such items may include the chalice, font etc etc.  And I really think it does not have much to do with C of E or not!  It is related to sanctity, saints, all those sorts of words come ultimately from the same Latin (and Greek) roots. Dawn (Melbourne Australia) -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Bruce Sent: Sunday, 17 February 2013 11:29 PM To: 'Denise'; staffordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Public Graves It may be useful to read the FAQ page of the Cemetery Research Group of York University. (No, I didn't realise there was one either...) http://www.york.ac.uk/chp/crg/crgcontext.htm Specifically at http://www.york.ac.uk/chp/crg/crgcontext.htm#cost it says: "In England, people do not 'buy' graves. Two options are available. In the case of an 'unpurchased' or 'public' grave, interment takes place in a grave owned by the local authority. A grave may contain one or coffins of unrelated individuals, since the local authority decides how the plot is to be used. A second option is the purchase of a burial right, for a particular grave. These graves are called 'private' or 'purchased' graves. The owner of the burial right retains the right to decide who is buried in a given plot. " It seems to me therefore that "Pauper's Grave" is a (probably unofficial?) term for a "Public Grave". Re "the difference between consecrated and unconsecrated ground" - at the risk of being thought unhelpful, one lot is consecrated, the other isn't. At http://www.york.ac.uk/chp/crg/crgcontext.htm#same this quote may be useful: "Churchyards are consecrated tracts of land subject to Church or Canon law. ... Cemeteries may contain consecrated sections, which are also subject to Church law. However, for the most part cemeteries are managed under civic legislation. " Perhaps more useful questions are: - Which Church consecrated the ground in a cemetery referred to as "consecrated"? My belief is that "consecrated" in this context means consecrated by the Church of England. - What's the difference in use between "consecrated" and "unconsecrated"? That's where I'm reduced to guessing... I believe that consecrated ground would be used only by the Church of England (CofE) so that the most obvious reason for being buried in unconsecrated is that the person was not CofE. But where CofE cremations would end up, or in what other circumstances a CofE person might end up in non-CofE ground, I don't really know. Adrian B ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8020 (20130217) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com/ __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 8020 (20130217) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com/ ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. 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This may give further understanding: http://beckettstreetcemetery.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&i d=14&Itemid=1 Trev ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It may be useful to read the FAQ page of the Cemetery Research Group of York University. (No, I didn't realise there was one either...) http://www.york.ac.uk/chp/crg/crgcontext.htm Specifically at http://www.york.ac.uk/chp/crg/crgcontext.htm#cost it says: "In England, people do not 'buy' graves. Two options are available. In the case of an 'unpurchased' or 'public' grave, interment takes place in a grave owned by the local authority. A grave may contain one or coffins of unrelated individuals, since the local authority decides how the plot is to be used. A second option is the purchase of a burial right, for a particular grave. These graves are called 'private' or 'purchased' graves. The owner of the burial right retains the right to decide who is buried in a given plot. " It seems to me therefore that "Pauper's Grave" is a (probably unofficial?) term for a "Public Grave". Re "the difference between consecrated and unconsecrated ground" - at the risk of being thought unhelpful, one lot is consecrated, the other isn't. At http://www.york.ac.uk/chp/crg/crgcontext.htm#same this quote may be useful: "Churchyards are consecrated tracts of land subject to Church or Canon law. ... Cemeteries may contain consecrated sections, which are also subject to Church law. However, for the most part cemeteries are managed under civic legislation. " Perhaps more useful questions are: - Which Church consecrated the ground in a cemetery referred to as "consecrated"? My belief is that "consecrated" in this context means consecrated by the Church of England. - What's the difference in use between "consecrated" and "unconsecrated"? That's where I'm reduced to guessing... I believe that consecrated ground would be used only by the Church of England (CofE) so that the most obvious reason for being buried in unconsecrated is that the person was not CofE. But where CofE cremations would end up, or in what other circumstances a CofE person might end up in non-CofE ground, I don't really know. Adrian B

  Hi All, 1.  What is the difference between Public Graves and Paupers Graves? 2. Yesterday looking at some burial lists for Burslem Cemetery  1923 buried in a Public Grave on consecrated ground and in 1949 his wife was buried in another part of the cemetery in unconsecrated ground with her daughter and son in law.  So what is the difference between consecrated and unconsecrated ground? Denise

  Hi All, 1.  What is the difference between Public Graves and Paupers Graves? 2. Yesterday looking at some burial lists for Burslem Cemetery  1923 buried in a Public Grave on consecrated ground and in 1949 his wife was buried in another part of the cemetery in unconsecrated ground with her daughter and son in law.  So what is the difference between consecrated and unconsecrated ground? Denise

  Hi All, 1.  What is the difference between Public Graves and Paupers Graves? 2. Yesterday looking at some burial lists for Burslem Cemetery  1923 buried in a Public Grave on consecrated ground and in 1949 his wife was buried in another part of the cemetery in unconsecrated ground with her daughter and son in law.  So what is the difference between consecrated and unconsecrated ground? Denise

Denise, Nothing at all. Paupers graves is not PC so they call them public graves basically because you dont have to be a pauper to go in one Rob -----Original Message----- From: Denise <cinderhill971@btinternet.com> To: staffordshire <staffordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Feb 17, 2013 10:09 am Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Public Graves Hi All, 1. What is the difference between Public Graves and Paupers Graves? 2. Yesterday looking at some burial lists for Burslem Cemetery 1923 buried in a Public Grave on consecrated ground and in 1949 his wife was buried in another part of the cemetery in unconsecrated ground with her daughter and son in law. So what is the difference between consecrated and unconsecrated ground? Denise ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All The Staffs BMD has been updated with the following records .... Marriages: 100 for Longton, St Mary and St Chad, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (2002-2011) 4 for Hanley, Bethesda Chapel, Albion Street (Stoke-on-Trent RD), registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1985-1985) 6 for Etruria (Etruria Road), Methodist Church, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1998-2002) 6 for Middleport, Methodist Memorial Church, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1991-1994) 9 for Longton (Lightwood Road), Spiritualist Church, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1988-1990) 5 for Stoke (Chamberlain Road), Assembly Hall, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1983-2001) 390 for Dresden, Resurrection, registers at Stoke-On-Trent (1959-2004) regards Bill ======================================================================== The Staffordshire BMD can be found at http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk and the West Midlands BMD at http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk

Hi everyone, Have you come across this info at all?? I thought I'd send it on..it came via another mailing list.. Cheers, Jill Brisbane >>>>>> Hello List, As noted in Dick Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter today there is a change in the policy for patrons requesting copies from the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah. This is an amazing FREE service that is now much better. The following is copied from the FamilySearch website: All requests for information copied from films, book pages, CDs, marriage, death or birth certificates, wills and/or deeds, etc. will be copied in digital format and emailed to patrons in a zipped PDF or JPG file format. There is no charge for this service if we are able to email to information to patrons. If a patron does not have an email address, we can mail the information to the patron using the US Postal Service. However, as much as possible, we will rely on emailing all requests for information through the internet. If patrons do not own a computer or do not have an email address, they can request to have the information emailed to their local Family History Center, where they can print the information at the center. Patrons should request copies by emailing their request to Photoduplication@familysearch.org . All requests MUST include the following information which is readily availabe if you locate someone in one of the indexed records: . Film or Fiche number . Item number . Name of Individual(s) referred to in the record . Title of the record . Name of parents, spouse, grantor, grantee, etc. . Event type (Birth, Death or Marriage) . Complete event date and place . Event place (county, parish, township, etc.) . Volume or page number . Registration or Certificate Number . Any other information that will help us locate your record. In addition, for those who may not be aware, when searching for records at familysearch.org there is a link to connect with the library, through the web, for a live chat. Obviously you will need to adjust for your time zone. <<<<<<

Hi Glennys If you put "Sutton Coldfield" into the search box of the British Library Newspaper Archive you will get a page that gives you a variety of newspapers which yo can then filter by date. http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/ You can even search some of the newspapers online now. Though the search is free, you have to pay to see the pages. 2 days costs £6.95 and you can see up to 100 pages (500 credits) Putting in a search for The Old Sun Inn brings up results. HTH Anne On 11 Feb 2013, at 09:44, Verone gj wrote: > My ancestors were tenants of the Old Sun Inn in Coleshill St Sutton Coldfield and they both died within 2 years of each other. > Henry Foden died a sudden death on the 10 July 1872. The death certificate states a "disease of the heart" certified after an inquest held the same day. His wife Maria went on to marry again to Charles Kent and they both continued to run the Inn until Maria herself died 23 September 1874. > Would anyone be able to help me to find the names of the local newspapers of Sutton Coldfield in the 1870's?Any articles in the papers would be invaluable for me. > Thanks for any advice. > Glennys > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My ancestors were tenants of the Old Sun Inn in Coleshill St Sutton Coldfield and they both died within 2 years of each other. Henry Foden died a sudden death on the 10 July 1872. The death certificate states a "disease of the heart" certified after an inquest held the same day. His wife Maria went on to marry again to Charles Kent and they both continued to run the Inn until Maria herself died 23 September 1874. Would anyone be able to help me to find the names of the local newspapers of Sutton Coldfield in the 1870's?Any articles in the papers would be invaluable for me. Thanks for any advice. Glennys

Hello John, Many thanks indeed for your reply. I would very much welcome details on Ralph's parents and grandparents on behalf of my friend. Thank you again. Kind regards, Yvonne Purdy Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 17:47:39 -0000 From: "John Massie" <john.massie1@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Ralph HOLLAND and Eliz. >>Hello Yvonne I have a very distant Ralph Holland marrying Elizabeth in 1658 at Leek, Staffordshire although I have not recorded the source. They have the same children as you have detailed below. I have notes of parents and Grandparents of Ralph as well if that helps. Please let me know. Best wishes John Massie<< > Hi all, > > I'm trying to help friend with his family of HOLLAND, especially > looking for the marriage of Ralph HOLLAND and Elizabeth. From Family > Search, they had four children baptised at Leek: > > Rachel (HOLLOND), 6 December 1659 > John HOLLAND 30 August 1663 > Jasper HOLLAND 6 September 1666 > Ralph HOLLAND 19 October 1668 > > Kind regards, Yvonne Purdy >

Hello Yvonne I have a very distant Ralph Holland marrying Elizabeth in 1658 at Leek, Staffordshire although I have not recorded the source. They have the same children as you have detailed below. I have notes of parents and Grandparents of Ralph as well if that helps. Please let me know. Best wishes John Massie > Hi all, > > I'm trying to help friend with his family of HOLLAND, especially looking > for > the marriage of Ralph HOLLAND and Elizabeth. From Family Search, they had > four children baptised at Leek: > > Rachel (HOLLOND), 6 December 1659 > John HOLLAND 30 August 1663 > Jasper HOLLAND 6 September 1666 > Ralph HOLLAND 19 October 1668 > > I have just ordered a microfiche of Leek, St. Edward, Part 1 1634 - 1695 > records, but thought I'd enquire if anyone else has this family in their > tree, or has come across them. It looks as 'tho the marriage of Ralph > HOLLAND and Eliz. would fall into the time of the Civil War, and I'm > wondering if anyone has had experience of marriage records in Leek at that > time. I'll ring Lichfield on Monday to see if any Licences, > Bonds/Allegations still survive but any advice would be welcome. > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > Kind regards, Yvonne Purdy > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, I'm trying to help friend with his family of HOLLAND, especially looking for the marriage of Ralph HOLLAND and Elizabeth. From Family Search, they had four children baptised at Leek: Rachel (HOLLOND), 6 December 1659 John HOLLAND 30 August 1663 Jasper HOLLAND 6 September 1666 Ralph HOLLAND 19 October 1668 I have just ordered a microfiche of Leek, St. Edward, Part 1 1634 - 1695 records, but thought I'd enquire if anyone else has this family in their tree, or has come across them. It looks as 'tho the marriage of Ralph HOLLAND and Eliz. would fall into the time of the Civil War, and I'm wondering if anyone has had experience of marriage records in Leek at that time. I'll ring Lichfield on Monday to see if any Licences, Bonds/Allegations still survive but any advice would be welcome. Thanks in advance for any help. Kind regards, Yvonne Purdy

Hi Jane, Many thanks. I have tried to send it to you but it came back. I will try again later. Helen -----Original Message----- From: staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:staffordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Hughes Sent: 08 February 2013 13:45 To: staffordshire Subject: Re: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Degree of kindred question Hi Helen, If you want to send me a copy off list, I'll willingly have a look and see if i can translate. Regards Jane On 8 February 2013 09:58, Helen Hudson <helen@ravensden.fsbusiness.co.uk>wrote: > Hello, > > Having purchased some transcripts from the National Archives I find > that I can't read/understand the Degree of kindred column. > > I can see clearly where it says son, granddaughter etc but I am > struggling with one comment. > > Even using a magnifying glass the best I can come up with is notmeant > which surely can't be right. > > Any ideas, anyone? > > Helen > > > > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of > ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. > BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER > follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ****************************** PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Helen, If you want to send me a copy off list, I'll willingly have a look and see if i can translate. Regards Jane On 8 February 2013 09:58, Helen Hudson <helen@ravensden.fsbusiness.co.uk>wrote: > Hello, > > Having purchased some transcripts from the National Archives I find that I > can't read/understand the Degree of kindred column. > > I can see clearly where it says son, granddaughter etc but I am struggling > with one comment. > > Even using a magnifying glass the best I can come up with is notmeant which > surely can't be right. > > Any ideas, anyone? > > Helen > > > > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not > apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED > MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE > of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the > link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, Having purchased some transcripts from the National Archives I find that I can't read/understand the Degree of kindred column. I can see clearly where it says son, granddaughter etc but I am struggling with one comment. Even using a magnifying glass the best I can come up with is notmeant which surely can't be right. Any ideas, anyone? Helen