My apologies folks for using Ceylankan instead of Ceylon or Sri Lanka.I was trying to frame this discussion in a cultural context. Yes, Ceylankan is the journal of the Ceylon Society of Australia and I suspect that some of you are members of the society. If you not a member and would like to know more about the society please contact Rienzie Fonseka at wfonseka@bigpond.net.au The topics range from Archeology to Religion. I was also been mischievous as I was born in Ceylon and my old passport was Sri Lankan, now its Canadian. Culturally I was more Ceylonese then, now its a Mosaic -a bit of this and a bit of that. Sorry Jaya, but culturally not everyone born in Ceylon was Ceylonese before 1972 and Sri Lankan thereafter. It is frustratingly difficult to define what a ceylonese is without getting a lot of people upset. English was the lingua franca, it included members of all communities(Sinhala, tamil, moor, burgher etc., )celebrated all the religious functions with food and good cheer, followed cricket madly, had similar interests in music and books. If you have read a copy of the Ceylankan you can get a sense of what its like to be a Ceylonese. Not better or worse just different. Cheers Rohan ps @as for genes and molecular genealogy -we all shared a common ancestor with mice some 200 million years ago. Who wants go that far anyway! @the mahavansa has such a wonderfull story for the origin of the vadda, I could never forget this account from my early school history lessons, but its only mythology. > > * One referred to Ceylankan: Modern term is Sri Lankan (After 1972). Before > 1972 and the colonial time, Ceylonese. Many names were used by foreigners > time to time for this Island (Seylan, Serendib etc) But the name "Lanka" > goes up to prehistoric era (before 25 centuries of written history). King > Ravana's time in Ramayana > > * Vaddahs are the descendants of Vijaya and Kuveni - Written history of Sri > Lanka starts with Vijayas arrival (25 centuries ago, but started to write > few centuries later) from north-west of Bharath (then India). Kuveni was in > Lanka and belongs to Yakka tribe. So people believe that Kuveni is a native > or indigenous. They had two children, a boy and a girl. Vijaya brought a > bride from his own country before consecration as King of Lanka and chased > Kuveni away who helped him to established in the new territory. Kuveni went > back to her people but was killed because she betrayed her tribe and helped > Vijaya. The boy and the girl was secretly sent away by one of their uncles > and survived. Descendants from this couple are called Vaddahs and lived > away from the main community. > > According to this story in the history books, Vaddahs are also not native > because they have roots in North India. There are some prehistoric evidence > to say that Kuveni too has roots in India. All four tribes: Yakka, Deva, > Naga, Raksha lived in prehistoric Lanka have migrated from four part of > India time to time and established in this Island. Roots of North Indians > are going beyond its territory. > > Cheers > Jaya > (Australia) > > > > Ramkins > ramkins@clear.net.nz > > To > 14/08/2005 09:18 AM SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com > > cc > > > Subject > Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you all for comments.- even the vitriolic ones. > Good to know our site is alive and well > Let's move on. > Rae > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Roy Goggin" <prgoggin@swiftdsl.com.au> > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > The same applies to you: > > > > Oxford Dictionary - Native - One born or whose parents are domiciled in a > > particular place or country > > > > Thus Tamils, Sinhalese, Burghers etc who were born in Sri Lanka are all > > natives. > > > > Seems to me a perfectly good word to use. > > > > Regards > > > > Peter Goggin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gay Fielding" <gayze@tpg.com.au> > > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > > > > It is such a pity Rae, that you didn't have the sensitivity to check > the > > > dictionary before you put your foot in your mouth. > > > A little reading is a good thing, and if you are a researcher, reading > the > > > history of the country you are researching before you start putting pen > to > > > paper, helps you develop an understanding of the culture and trials and > > > tribulations of its indigenous peoples.. > > > Your statement "Why the fuss" demonstrates your lack of empathy.. > > > .***Empathy is the recognition and understanding of the states of mind, > > > including beliefs, desires and particularly emotions of others ** > > > Gay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> > > > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:25 AM > > > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > > > > > > >A dictionary check will clarify the word "native" as born and bred in > the > > > > country. > > > > Why the fuss? > > > > Rae > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Camilla Barlow" <ceebee123@swiftdsl.com.au> > > > > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:43 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > > > > > > > > >> I think you might find a lot of people wiil be upset with the > wording > > of > > > >> your message. 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