One last shot from me Chris, Have you visited this site...or joined the India List??. http://members.ozemail.com.au/~clday/index.html Best of Luck.. Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: "christopher.merry" <christopher.merry@ntlworld.com> To: <srilanka@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Richard FORD > Gay, > > Thanks again. Yes, the Ionian islands records are amongst the military, > overseas, and other miscellaneous records at the GRO. > Unfortunatley, Mary died in India in 1852 and is buried there! > The fact that there is no mention of his marriage on his WO97 is further > evidence, I think, that he was already married. > I will keep digging. > > Thanks again > > Chris > > Thanks again > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gay Fielding <gayze@tpg.com.au> > To: <srilanka@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Richard FORD > > >> Hi Chris, >> Fortunately, you live in Britain, where most of the records are so much > more >> accessible than they are for List members such as myself (Australia) and >> others from various other countries. >> I am glad you have the WO97 for your ggrandfather...such an invaluable >> document for your family history...Apparently it does not show a >> marriage. >> My soldier ancestor enlisted earlier than yours and his Marriage is noted > on >> his WO97., but I believe his marriage was "'with permission" . >> Perhaps your marriage (if there was one during service) was without >> permission and therefore would not have been noted. >> You have said the Ionian Islands have their own BMDs, however I am quite >> sure , when I was searching for my own records...I have seen on the index >> for Army Chaplains BMDs for Stations Abroad, some records for Ionia..but >> I >> could be wrong. >> I suppose you have checked to see whether the 1861 Census or the 1871 or >> any, show the birthplace of Mary. >> Apart from those avenues, I am at a loss. >> Gay >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "christopher.merry" <christopher.merry@ntlworld.com> >> To: <srilanka@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 2:50 AM >> Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Richard FORD >> >> >> > Gay, >> > >> > Thank you very much for replying. Unfortunately I suspect they married > in >> > this country (UK). >> > Richard joined the regiment on 11th December 1830 (aged 23), and was >> > immediately sent to the Ionian islands (where the regiment was >> > stationed >> > at >> > that time). In February 1832 the regiment returned to England. There >> > is > a >> > child (George) born in Manchester (when the regiment was stationed > there) >> > in >> > 1834. (i.e. just before BMD registration started - so there is only a >> > baptism entry and these rarely state mother's maiden surname!) >> > In November 1836 the regiment embarks for Ceylon! >> > >> > Ergo I would say that the marriage took place in the UK (or possibly >> > the >> > Ionian islands - but they have their own BMD records and I can't find a >> > marriage!) >> > >> > The baptism record for the child of the 'other' Richard Ford, at >> > Trincomalee, gives the parent's marriage details, not just the mother's >> > maiden name. They married in London (Hampstead). >> > Of the other possibilities I have found on the IGI, I strongly suspect > the >> > one at Chatham (in 1829), but of course, ! can't prove it! >> > >> > The WO entry that you refer to is my gg-grandfather, and I already have > a >> > copy of this entry! >> > >> > Thank you for taking the time to reply! >> > >> > Best wishes >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Gay Fielding <gayze@tpg.com.au> >> > To: <srilanka@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 1:48 PM >> > Subject: [SRILANKA] Richard FORD >> > >> > >> >> Hi Chris, >> >> If you know about the Army births at the GRO, then you most probably >> >> know >> >> about the Army Marriages at GRO, by Army Chaplains at Stations Abroad. >> >> Getting the marriage Certificate (perhaps for each of the Richard >> >> FORDs), >> >> may be the only way to find out what Mary's surname may be... >> >> My Army births at the GRO Certificates for the children of my >> >> Ancestor >> > show >> >> only the name of the father and first name of the mother... but the >> >> Marriage Certificate shows her full name..(but nothing else about her) >> >> >> >> Perhaps this may be useful to you, The website www.regiments.org, >> >> shows > >> > that >> >> 11th Regiment of Foot is the Numeric title for The Royal Irish > Regiment.. >> >> There is One surviving record for a Richard Ford of the Royal Irish >> >> Regiment, at the GRO. >> >> >> >> The piece Number is WO 97/387/20 for RICHARD FORD Born STEPNEY, > London >> > and >> >> Middlesex Served in 18th Foot Regiment Discharged aged 47. >> >> >> >> Happy Easter >> >> Gay >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "christopher.merry" <christopher.merry@ntlworld.com> >> >> To: <srilanka@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 8:55 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Sergeant R.R. Belleth, Ceylon Police (1950s) >> >> >> >> >> >> > Everybody/Anybody, >> >> > >> >> > I have hit a stumbling block and I would be grateful for any >> >> > advice/assistance: >> >> > >> >> > I have a great-great grandfather - Richard FORD - who was an >> >> > Armourer >> >> > Sergeant in the Royal Irish Regiment. He was stationed in Ceylon in > the >> >> > late >> >> > 1830's for a couple of years. He appears to have had his wife with > him >> >> > (this >> >> > was not uncommon apparently!). I know that her first name was Mary. >> >> > I >> >> > would >> >> > like to research her line of ancestry back further but the problem I >> > have >> >> > is >> >> > that I don't know her maiden surname. I have found a number of >> >> > marriages >> >> > on >> >> > the IGI between a Richard Ford and a Mary ????, at about the right >> >> > time, >> >> > including one in Chatham ,Kent (which is where he sailed from), but, >> >> > without >> >> > knowing Mary's maiden surname, I can't be certain of the correct >> >> > one. >> >> > >> >> > To complicate matters further there appears to be another Richard > Ford >> > in >> >> > the regiment at at his time who was also married to a Mary!!! He was >> > also >> >> > a >> >> > sergeant (although just a plain sergeant). >> >> > >> >> > One piece of positive information I have is that my Richard and Mary >> >> > had >> > a >> >> > son - Richard John Ford - , born in Colombo on August 23rd 1837. I > have >> >> > the >> >> > birth certificate (from the Army births at the GRO). Frustratingly, >> >> > this >> >> > certificate is different from the usual English birth certificate >> >> > and >> > does >> >> > not give the mother's maiden surname! >> >> > >> >> > I was wondering if there might be a record of his baptism in Colombo >> > which >> >> > might just mention Mary's maiden name? >> >> > >> >> > All suggestions gratefully received! >> >> > >> >> > I should add that I also have the baptism record for a daughter to >> >> > plain >> >> > 'Sergeant' Richard Ford, in Trincomalee, which gives the mother's >> >> > maiden >> >> > name, but I am reasonably certain that this is the other Richard > Ford! >> >> > >> >> > Thank you >> >> > >> >> > Chris Merry >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: Glen Hodgins <glen.hodgins@sympatico.ca> >> >> > To: <srilanka@rootsweb.com> >> >> > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 4:27 PM >> >> > Subject: [SRILANKA] Sergeant R.R. Belleth, Ceylon Police (1950s) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Friends/Colleagues: >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm looking for any help in learning more about R.R. Belleth, a >> > sergeant >> >> > in >> >> >> the Ceylon Police in the 1950s. I've checked out the meagre > resources >> > I >> >> >> have, (a few post-war Ferguson's Directories) and all I've been >> >> >> able >> >> >> to >> >> > find >> >> >> is a "B. Belleth", listed as a retired member of the Ceylon Civil >> >> >> Service, >> >> >> (and most probably a distinguished one, since he is also listed as >> > having >> >> >> been awarded the Imperial Service Order). Perhaps "B." is the > father >> > (or >> >> >> uncle?) of the chappie I'm interested in -- "R.R." ? >> >> >> >> >> >> Am I correct in assuming Belleth is a Burger name? >> >> >> >> >> >> Any thoughts or leads greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> >> >> Glen, >> >> >> In Our Dominion of the North >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> > SRILANKA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >> > the >> >> > quotes >> >> > in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------- >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> > SRILANKA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >> > the >> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > SRILANKA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes >> > in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > SRILANKA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SRILANKA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SRILANKA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >