Though I left 'Lanka' a bit before Rohan, I relate completely to what he says. I will always feel 'Ceylonese' no matter what the island is called; no matter what my citizenship. I will always cherish those Ceylon days & experiences of my early life. Rohan is right, it's hard to describe, but we've all felt what he's talking about so well if we lived on the island during this 'era'. I met a Tamil lady living in Germany. After an afternoon together we became (still are) fast friends, because despite supposed age differences, cultural differences, linguist differences, we were both 'Ceylonese' (with Sri Lankan passports at the time!). Those of us from this Ceylonese period carry different passports now, but Ceylon will live on in our hearts. Besides, no one believes I'm from Sri Lanka anyway. I'd proudly bear the title 'native Ceylonese' ;-) Warm greetings to you. Beth Leembruggen-Kallberg Nieuwegein, Netherlands > From: rvantwes@uoguelph.ca > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:43:04 -0400 > To: SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Fwd: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > Resent-From: SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:43:08 -0600 > > > > My apologies folks for using Ceylankan instead of Ceylon or Sri Lanka.I was > trying to frame this discussion in a cultural context. Yes, Ceylankan is the > journal of the Ceylon Society of Australia and I suspect that some of you are > members of the society. If you not a member and would like to know more about > the society please contact Rienzie Fonseka at wfonseka@bigpond.net.au The > topics range from Archeology to Religion. I was also been mischievous as I was > born in Ceylon and my old passport was Sri Lankan, now its Canadian. > Culturally > I was more Ceylonese then, now its a Mosaic -a bit of this and a bit of that. > Sorry Jaya, but culturally not everyone born in Ceylon was Ceylonese before > 1972 and Sri Lankan thereafter. It is frustratingly difficult to define what a > ceylonese is without getting a lot of people upset. English was the lingua > franca, it included members of all communities(Sinhala, tamil, moor, burgher > etc., )celebrated all the religious functions with food and good cheer, > followed cricket madly, had similar interests in music and books. If you have > read a copy of the Ceylankan you can get a sense of what its like to be a > Ceylonese. Not better or worse just different. > > Cheers > Rohan > > ps > > @as for genes and molecular genealogy -we all shared a common ancestor with > mice > some 200 million years ago. Who wants go that far anyway! > > @the mahavansa has such a wonderfull story for the origin of the vadda, I > could > never forget this account from my early school history lessons, but its only > mythology. > >> >> * One referred to Ceylankan: Modern term is Sri Lankan (After 1972). Before >> 1972 and the colonial time, Ceylonese. Many names were used by foreigners >> time to time for this Island (Seylan, Serendib etc) But the name "Lanka" >> goes up to prehistoric era (before 25 centuries of written history). King >> Ravana's time in Ramayana >> >> * Vaddahs are the descendants of Vijaya and Kuveni - Written history of Sri >> Lanka starts with Vijayas arrival (25 centuries ago, but started to write >> few centuries later) from north-west of Bharath (then India). Kuveni was in >> Lanka and belongs to Yakka tribe. So people believe that Kuveni is a native >> or indigenous. They had two children, a boy and a girl. Vijaya brought a >> bride from his own country before consecration as King of Lanka and chased >> Kuveni away who helped him to established in the new territory. Kuveni went >> back to her people but was killed because she betrayed her tribe and helped >> Vijaya. The boy and the girl was secretly sent away by one of their uncles >> and survived. Descendants from this couple are called Vaddahs and lived >> away from the main community. >> >> According to this story in the history books, Vaddahs are also not native >> because they have roots in North India. There are some prehistoric evidence >> to say that Kuveni too has roots in India. All four tribes: Yakka, Deva, >> Naga, Raksha lived in prehistoric Lanka have migrated from four part of >> India time to time and established in this Island. Roots of North Indians >> are going beyond its territory. >> >> Cheers >> Jaya >> (Australia) >> >> >> >> Ramkins >> ramkins@clear.net.nz >> >> To >> 14/08/2005 09:18 AM SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com >> >> cc >> >> >> Subject >> Re: [SRILANKA] Native research >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank you all for comments.- even the vitriolic ones. >> Good to know our site is alive and well >> Let's move on. >> Rae >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Roy Goggin" <prgoggin@swiftdsl.com.au> >> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research >> >> >>> The same applies to you: >>> >>> Oxford Dictionary - Native - One born or whose parents are domiciled in a >>> particular place or country >>> >>> Thus Tamils, Sinhalese, Burghers etc who were born in Sri Lanka are all >>> natives. >>> >>> Seems to me a perfectly good word to use. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Peter Goggin >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gay Fielding" <gayze@tpg.com.au> >>> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:55 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research >>> >>> >>>> It is such a pity Rae, that you didn't have the sensitivity to check >> the >>>> dictionary before you put your foot in your mouth. >>>> A little reading is a good thing, and if you are a researcher, reading >> the >>>> history of the country you are researching before you start putting pen >> to >>>> paper, helps you develop an understanding of the culture and trials and >>>> tribulations of its indigenous peoples.. >>>> Your statement "Why the fuss" demonstrates your lack of empathy.. >>>> .***Empathy is the recognition and understanding of the states of mind, >>>> including beliefs, desires and particularly emotions of others ** >>>> Gay >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> >>>> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:25 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research >>>> >>>> >>>>> A dictionary check will clarify the word "native" as born and bred in >> the >>>>> country. >>>>> Why the fuss? >>>>> Rae >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Camilla Barlow" <ceebee123@swiftdsl.com.au> >>>>> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:43 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I think you might find a lot of people wiil be upset with the >> wording >>> of >>>>>> your message. 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Hello All I am trying to find the birth record of Gerald Patrick Hemming on either May 31,1902 or 03, in Columbo, Ceylon. Is there anyone out there, who can help me? This is a stonewall in our Family Tree, that I would like to break down. TIA. Arnold Roepken, a Hemming Family Genealogist ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gay Fielding" <gayze@tpg.com.au> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > Hi All Ceylonese, > I am not of Ceylonese blood but my gggrandfather who was raised in Ceylon > from age 3 to adulthood, had a great love and respect for the Nation of > Ceylon..His brother was a Master of the Royal College Colombo, married a > Ceylonese lady and died there in 1909, another brother died surveying the > jungles of Ceylon and his parents also died there.. > ( as an Aussie I use the term Cinghalese which seems to have been adopted > in some areas of the world.) > Cheers > Gay > Research Names: > http://www.perthdps.com/research/fie01.html > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

My apologies folks for using Ceylankan instead of Ceylon or Sri Lanka.I was trying to frame this discussion in a cultural context. Yes, Ceylankan is the journal of the Ceylon Society of Australia and I suspect that some of you are members of the society. If you not a member and would like to know more about the society please contact Rienzie Fonseka at wfonseka@bigpond.net.au The topics range from Archeology to Religion. I was also been mischievous as I was born in Ceylon and my old passport was Sri Lankan, now its Canadian. Culturally I was more Ceylonese then, now its a Mosaic -a bit of this and a bit of that. Sorry Jaya, but culturally not everyone born in Ceylon was Ceylonese before 1972 and Sri Lankan thereafter. It is frustratingly difficult to define what a ceylonese is without getting a lot of people upset. English was the lingua franca, it included members of all communities(Sinhala, tamil, moor, burgher etc., )celebrated all the religious functions with food and good cheer, followed cricket madly, had similar interests in music and books. If you have read a copy of the Ceylankan you can get a sense of what its like to be a Ceylonese. Not better or worse just different. Cheers Rohan ps @as for genes and molecular genealogy -we all shared a common ancestor with mice some 200 million years ago. Who wants go that far anyway! @the mahavansa has such a wonderfull story for the origin of the vadda, I could never forget this account from my early school history lessons, but its only mythology. > > * One referred to Ceylankan: Modern term is Sri Lankan (After 1972). Before > 1972 and the colonial time, Ceylonese. Many names were used by foreigners > time to time for this Island (Seylan, Serendib etc) But the name "Lanka" > goes up to prehistoric era (before 25 centuries of written history). King > Ravana's time in Ramayana > > * Vaddahs are the descendants of Vijaya and Kuveni - Written history of Sri > Lanka starts with Vijayas arrival (25 centuries ago, but started to write > few centuries later) from north-west of Bharath (then India). Kuveni was in > Lanka and belongs to Yakka tribe. So people believe that Kuveni is a native > or indigenous. They had two children, a boy and a girl. Vijaya brought a > bride from his own country before consecration as King of Lanka and chased > Kuveni away who helped him to established in the new territory. Kuveni went > back to her people but was killed because she betrayed her tribe and helped > Vijaya. The boy and the girl was secretly sent away by one of their uncles > and survived. Descendants from this couple are called Vaddahs and lived > away from the main community. > > According to this story in the history books, Vaddahs are also not native > because they have roots in North India. There are some prehistoric evidence > to say that Kuveni too has roots in India. All four tribes: Yakka, Deva, > Naga, Raksha lived in prehistoric Lanka have migrated from four part of > India time to time and established in this Island. Roots of North Indians > are going beyond its territory. > > Cheers > Jaya > (Australia) > > > > Ramkins > ramkins@clear.net.nz > > To > 14/08/2005 09:18 AM SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com > > cc > > > Subject > Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you all for comments.- even the vitriolic ones. > Good to know our site is alive and well > Let's move on. > Rae > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Roy Goggin" <prgoggin@swiftdsl.com.au> > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > The same applies to you: > > > > Oxford Dictionary - Native - One born or whose parents are domiciled in a > > particular place or country > > > > Thus Tamils, Sinhalese, Burghers etc who were born in Sri Lanka are all > > natives. > > > > Seems to me a perfectly good word to use. > > > > Regards > > > > Peter Goggin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gay Fielding" <gayze@tpg.com.au> > > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > > > > It is such a pity Rae, that you didn't have the sensitivity to check > the > > > dictionary before you put your foot in your mouth. > > > A little reading is a good thing, and if you are a researcher, reading > the > > > history of the country you are researching before you start putting pen > to > > > paper, helps you develop an understanding of the culture and trials and > > > tribulations of its indigenous peoples.. > > > Your statement "Why the fuss" demonstrates your lack of empathy.. > > > .***Empathy is the recognition and understanding of the states of mind, > > > including beliefs, desires and particularly emotions of others ** > > > Gay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> > > > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:25 AM > > > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > > > > > > >A dictionary check will clarify the word "native" as born and bred in > the > > > > country. > > > > Why the fuss? > > > > Rae > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Camilla Barlow" <ceebee123@swiftdsl.com.au> > > > > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:43 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > > > > > > > > >> I think you might find a lot of people wiil be upset with the > wording > > of > > > >> your message. 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It was interesting to read comments on the topic. I would like to add my ideas as well specially because of the references to Vaddahs. Native or indigenous may mean the same but relative terms that are attached with a time line. For how long a particular group has lived in a territory will tell you to decide whether they are native or not. But we cannot define limitations of this time line. If the roots goes beyond traceable limits with modern technology, the group can be considered as native or indigenous. If you consider the changes over millions of years that shape the face of nations, no one will be capable of tracing the original genes. * One referred to Ceylankan: Modern term is Sri Lankan (After 1972). Before 1972 and the colonial time, Ceylonese. Many names were used by foreigners time to time for this Island (Seylan, Serendib etc) But the name "Lanka" goes up to prehistoric era (before 25 centuries of written history). King Ravana's time in Ramayana * Vaddahs are the descendants of Vijaya and Kuveni - Written history of Sri Lanka starts with Vijayas arrival (25 centuries ago, but started to write few centuries later) from north-west of Bharath (then India). Kuveni was in Lanka and belongs to Yakka tribe. So people believe that Kuveni is a native or indigenous. They had two children, a boy and a girl. Vijaya brought a bride from his own country before consecration as King of Lanka and chased Kuveni away who helped him to established in the new territory. Kuveni went back to her people but was killed because she betrayed her tribe and helped Vijaya. The boy and the girl was secretly sent away by one of their uncles and survived. Descendants from this couple are called Vaddahs and lived away from the main community. According to this story in the history books, Vaddahs are also not native because they have roots in North India. There are some prehistoric evidence to say that Kuveni too has roots in India. All four tribes: Yakka, Deva, Naga, Raksha lived in prehistoric Lanka have migrated from four part of India time to time and established in this Island. Roots of North Indians are going beyond its territory. Cheers Jaya (Australia) Ramkins ramkins@clear.net.nz To 14/08/2005 09:18 AM SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com cc Subject Re: [SRILANKA] Native research Thank you all for comments.- even the vitriolic ones. Good to know our site is alive and well Let's move on. Rae ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Roy Goggin" <prgoggin@swiftdsl.com.au> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > The same applies to you: > > Oxford Dictionary - Native - One born or whose parents are domiciled in a > particular place or country > > Thus Tamils, Sinhalese, Burghers etc who were born in Sri Lanka are all > natives. > > Seems to me a perfectly good word to use. > > Regards > > Peter Goggin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gay Fielding" <gayze@tpg.com.au> > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > It is such a pity Rae, that you didn't have the sensitivity to check the > > dictionary before you put your foot in your mouth. > > A little reading is a good thing, and if you are a researcher, reading the > > history of the country you are researching before you start putting pen to > > paper, helps you develop an understanding of the culture and trials and > > tribulations of its indigenous peoples.. > > Your statement "Why the fuss" demonstrates your lack of empathy.. > > .***Empathy is the recognition and understanding of the states of mind, > > including beliefs, desires and particularly emotions of others ** > > Gay > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> > > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:25 AM > > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > > > >A dictionary check will clarify the word "native" as born and bred in the > > > country. > > > Why the fuss? > > > Rae > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Camilla Barlow" <ceebee123@swiftdsl.com.au> > > > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:43 PM > > > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > > > > > >> I think you might find a lot of people wiil be upset with the wording > of > > >> your message. I am. > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> > > >> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:26 AM > > >> Subject: [SRILANKA] Native research > > >> > > >> > > >> > Has anyone researched natives and has knowledge of naming patterns? > > >> > Rae > > >> > Downunder > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ============================== > > >> > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, > find > > >> > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > > >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> ============================== > > >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. 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Dear Listers, I have a silver big coin 3.7 cm diam with on the one side: the VOC monogram inside a shield with the two lions on either side and a tiny peacock or rooster standing separated at the top. The other side says "Galle Agri--Horticultural Exhibition" there is no date struck at all. The rim is about 4mm thick, but the coin is not 4 mm thick. Unfortunately I cannot find any reference to it and wondered if you have any knowledge concerning its origin, why, how what. The combination of the Dutch VOC with on the otherside the English wording is strange. I have asked Mr. Kavan Ratnatunga for particulars as he has a great coin page, but he also has no reply for me and will do some research later in Sept. In the meantime maybe history-wise anyone of you knows about this exhibition? Thank you, Jennifer http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jennifergreft/ Onderzoek naar: SALOMON(s)/SOLOMON(s), Isaac - uit Hamburg arriveerde Ceylon (Sri Lanka) 1759 met de "Vlissingen" Kamer Zeeland. BUULTJENS - familie naam in Cleve/Kleefsland, Willem BUULTJENS arriveerde Ceylon (Sri Lanka) 1746 met de "Sara Jacoba" Kamer Zeeland. "NOOTENBOOM" in Cleefsland waar Willem BUULTJENS (1715-1791) vandaan kwam.

Thank you all for comments.- even the vitriolic ones. Good to know our site is alive and well Let's move on. Rae ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Roy Goggin" <prgoggin@swiftdsl.com.au> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > The same applies to you: > > Oxford Dictionary - Native - One born or whose parents are domiciled in a > particular place or country > > Thus Tamils, Sinhalese, Burghers etc who were born in Sri Lanka are all > natives. > > Seems to me a perfectly good word to use. > > Regards > > Peter Goggin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gay Fielding" <gayze@tpg.com.au> > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > It is such a pity Rae, that you didn't have the sensitivity to check the > > dictionary before you put your foot in your mouth. > > A little reading is a good thing, and if you are a researcher, reading the > > history of the country you are researching before you start putting pen to > > paper, helps you develop an understanding of the culture and trials and > > tribulations of its indigenous peoples.. > > Your statement "Why the fuss" demonstrates your lack of empathy.. > > .***Empathy is the recognition and understanding of the states of mind, > > including beliefs, desires and particularly emotions of others ** > > Gay > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> > > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:25 AM > > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > > > >A dictionary check will clarify the word "native" as born and bred in the > > > country. > > > Why the fuss? > > > Rae > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Camilla Barlow" <ceebee123@swiftdsl.com.au> > > > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:43 PM > > > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > > > > > >> I think you might find a lot of people wiil be upset with the wording > of > > >> your message. I am. > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> > > >> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:26 AM > > >> Subject: [SRILANKA] Native research > > >> > > >> > > >> > Has anyone researched natives and has knowledge of naming patterns? > > >> > Rae > > >> > Downunder > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ============================== > > >> > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, > find > > >> > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > > >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> ============================== > > >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >> > > >> > > >> __________ NOD32 1.1192 (20050811) Information __________ > > >> > > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > >> http://www.eset.com > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > > > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > __________ NOD32 1.1193 (20050812) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

Why do we have to keep on with this subject. We all have different ideas and beliefs on this subject. Give it a break.PLEASE. Helen New Zealand

If any asian born in America or England will they be considered as a Native? According to the Oxford dictionary it shoud be! I am just asking this question genuinly since I am not sure about it! jana ----- Original Message ----- From: "christine MILLER" <chrismiller@forestcats.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > Native, is a perfectly good word to use, but in these days of 'political > correctness' - however careful we are, there is always someone who will > manange to take offence. > We hardly have any mail on this list, then someone asks a question and this > happens. Unbelievable!! > Christine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Roy Goggin" <prgoggin@swiftdsl.com.au> > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 7:05 AM > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > The same applies to you: > > > > Oxford Dictionary - Native - One born or whose parents are domiciled in a > > particular place or country > > > > Thus Tamils, Sinhalese, Burghers etc who were born in Sri Lanka are all > > natives. > > > > Seems to me a perfectly good word to use. > > > > Regards > > > > Peter Goggin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gay Fielding" <gayze@tpg.com.au> > > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > > > > It is such a pity Rae, that you didn't have the sensitivity to check the > > > dictionary before you put your foot in your mouth. > > > A little reading is a good thing, and if you are a researcher, reading > the > > > history of the country you are researching before you start putting pen > to > > > paper, helps you develop an understanding of the culture and trials and > > > tribulations of its indigenous peoples.. > > > Your statement "Why the fuss" demonstrates your lack of empathy.. > > > .***Empathy is the recognition and understanding of the states of mind, > > > including beliefs, desires and particularly emotions of others ** > > > Gay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> > > > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:25 AM > > > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > > > > > > >A dictionary check will clarify the word "native" as born and bred in > the > > > > country. > > > > Why the fuss? > > > > Rae > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Camilla Barlow" <ceebee123@swiftdsl.com.au> > > > > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:43 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > > > > > > > > >> I think you might find a lot of people wiil be upset with the wording > > of > > > >> your message. I am. > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> > > > >> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:26 AM > > > >> Subject: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Has anyone researched natives and has knowledge of naming patterns? > > > >> > Rae > > > >> > Downunder > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > ============================== > > > >> > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, > > find > > > >> > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > > > >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ============================== > > > >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in > the > > > >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> __________ NOD32 1.1192 (20050811) Information __________ > > > >> > > > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > >> http://www.eset.com > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > > > > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

The same applies to you: Oxford Dictionary - Native - One born or whose parents are domiciled in a particular place or country Thus Tamils, Sinhalese, Burghers etc who were born in Sri Lanka are all natives. Seems to me a perfectly good word to use. Regards Peter Goggin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gay Fielding" <gayze@tpg.com.au> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > It is such a pity Rae, that you didn't have the sensitivity to check the > dictionary before you put your foot in your mouth. > A little reading is a good thing, and if you are a researcher, reading the > history of the country you are researching before you start putting pen to > paper, helps you develop an understanding of the culture and trials and > tribulations of its indigenous peoples.. > Your statement "Why the fuss" demonstrates your lack of empathy.. > .***Empathy is the recognition and understanding of the states of mind, > including beliefs, desires and particularly emotions of others ** > Gay > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:25 AM > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > >A dictionary check will clarify the word "native" as born and bred in the > > country. > > Why the fuss? > > Rae > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Camilla Barlow" <ceebee123@swiftdsl.com.au> > > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > > >> I think you might find a lot of people wiil be upset with the wording of > >> your message. I am. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> > >> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:26 AM > >> Subject: [SRILANKA] Native research > >> > >> > >> > Has anyone researched natives and has knowledge of naming patterns? > >> > Rae > >> > Downunder > >> > > >> > > >> > ============================== > >> > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > >> > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ============================== > >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >> > >> > >> __________ NOD32 1.1192 (20050811) Information __________ > >> > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > > > > > > ============================== > > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

"Native" in this context has a clear historical meaning established by long usage. It was employed to distinguish "ethnic Ceylonese" -- Singhalese, Tamils, Moors, Chetties, etc., -- whose long-term roots lay in the island, from those of European descent, (regardless of whether these "Euros" were born in Ceylon). The anomaly -- which everybody recognised and accepted -- was the Burgher. (They were considered a stand-alone categorisation.) An illustrative example is so-called "Native" Ranks: Gate Mudaliyar; Mudaliyar; Rate Mahatmaya; Vannia; Muhandiram, etc. They were "Native" because of whom they applied -- and the title was certainly not taken as pejorative. Whether or not "native" held a pejorative connotation, therefore, depended largely upon the context of its use in any given instance -- much as with terms such as "Yankee". "Yankee go home!" is clearly pejorative; but "Good old Yankee ingenuity" clearly is not. My two annas worth. Cheers, Glen Hodgins Ottawa, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <rvantwes@uoguelph.ca> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: [SRILANKA] Native research > Wow! We have a thread growing on this forum after a long time. Our last > prolonged discussion was on the topic of Burgher or not to Burgher. Please > don't nip it off just yet. I got to have my two cents worth before getting > back > to the grind. Is if interesting how terms can evolve like living entities. > I can > not recall a single instance from my Ceylankan experience where the term > native > was used to describe a person born there, perhaps this is what is in use > presently, but I have my doubts. Dictionary definitions not withstanding, > native was invariable used to denigrate someone as uncivilized, > nonwestern, > vernacular or even savage. During the time of the Raj 'to go native' was > used > to delineate one of their own that had adopted local customs, manners, > language > or habits. So who is a native from a genealogical context? In Canada the > term > native usually suggest someone from the indigenous population. When I say > indigenous that suggests that the community did not originate from another > territory (country) or there is no cultural history of coming from > somewhere > else. From a Ceylankan context that could apply to the extinct Veddah > population, whereas the extent communities e.g. Sinhalese, Tamils,Burghers > have > originated from else where, some in more distant times than others. I > believe > that Michael Ondaatje in one of his novels (Anil's Ghost?) explores the > native > conundrum as well. > > Cheers > Rohan van Twest > Ontario, Canada.

Having descended from a coloured Ceylon race, read and researched widely and familiar with the history back through the ages I still refer to my ancestors as natives of that land. I withdraw my original query and arrest my case. Rae ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gay Fielding" <gayze@tpg.com.au> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com>; <ramkins@clear.net.nz> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > It is such a pity Rae, that you didn't have the sensitivity to check the > dictionary before you put your foot in your mouth. > A little reading is a good thing, and if you are a researcher, reading the > history of the country you are researching before you start putting pen to > paper, helps you develop an understanding of the culture and trials and > tribulations of its indigenous peoples.. > Your statement "Why the fuss" demonstrates your lack of empathy.. > .***Empathy is the recognition and understanding of the states of mind, > including beliefs, desires and particularly emotions of others ** > Gay > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:25 AM > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > >A dictionary check will clarify the word "native" as born and bred in the > > country. > > Why the fuss? > > Rae > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Camilla Barlow" <ceebee123@swiftdsl.com.au> > > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > > >> I think you might find a lot of people wiil be upset with the wording of > >> your message. I am. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> > >> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:26 AM > >> Subject: [SRILANKA] Native research > >> > >> > >> > Has anyone researched natives and has knowledge of naming patterns? > >> > Rae > >> > Downunder > >> > > >> > > >> > ============================== > >> > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > >> > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ============================== > >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >> > >> > >> __________ NOD32 1.1192 (20050811) Information __________ > >> > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > > > > > > ============================== > > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1193 (20050812) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

Wow! We have a thread growing on this forum after a long time. Our last prolonged discussion was on the topic of Burgher or not to Burgher. Please don’t nip it off just yet. I got to have my two cents worth before getting back to the grind. Is if interesting how terms can evolve like living entities. I can not recall a single instance from my Ceylankan experience where the term native was used to describe a person born there, perhaps this is what is in use presently, but I have my doubts. Dictionary definitions not withstanding, native was invariable used to denigrate someone as uncivilized, nonwestern, vernacular or even savage. During the time of the Raj ‘to go native’ was used to delineate one of their own that had adopted local customs, manners, language or habits. So who is a native from a genealogical context? In Canada the term native usually suggest someone from the indigenous population. When I say indigenous that suggests that the community did not originate from another territory (country) or there is no cultural history of coming from somewhere else. From a Ceylankan context that could apply to the extinct Veddah population, whereas the extent communities e.g. Sinhalese, Tamils,Burghers have originated from else where, some in more distant times than others. I believe that Michael Ondaatje in one of his novels (Anil's Ghost?) explores the native conundrum as well. Cheers Rohan van Twest Ontario, Canada.

A dictionary check will clarify the word "native" as born and bred in the country. Why the fuss? Rae ----- Original Message ----- From: "Camilla Barlow" <ceebee123@swiftdsl.com.au> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > I think you might find a lot of people wiil be upset with the wording of > your message. I am. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:26 AM > Subject: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > Has anyone researched natives and has knowledge of naming patterns? > > Rae > > Downunder > > > > > > ============================== > > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > __________ NOD32 1.1192 (20050811) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

It is such a pity Rae, that you didn't have the sensitivity to check the dictionary before you put your foot in your mouth. A little reading is a good thing, and if you are a researcher, reading the history of the country you are researching before you start putting pen to paper, helps you develop an understanding of the culture and trials and tribulations of its indigenous peoples.. Your statement "Why the fuss" demonstrates your lack of empathy.. .***Empathy is the recognition and understanding of the states of mind, including beliefs, desires and particularly emotions of others ** Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research >A dictionary check will clarify the word "native" as born and bred in the > country. > Why the fuss? > Rae > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Camilla Barlow" <ceebee123@swiftdsl.com.au> > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:43 PM > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > >> I think you might find a lot of people wiil be upset with the wording of >> your message. I am. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> >> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:26 AM >> Subject: [SRILANKA] Native research >> >> >> > Has anyone researched natives and has knowledge of naming patterns? >> > Rae >> > Downunder >> > >> > >> > ============================== >> > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> > >> > >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> __________ NOD32 1.1192 (20050811) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

well this is the first time in a long while I got correspondence on this list. what is the next subject we can help eachother with? On 13/08/05, Helen McNamara <hennymac@snap.net.nz> wrote: > Why do we have to keep on with this subject. We all have different ideas and > beliefs on this subject. Give it a break.PLEASE. > Helen > New Zealand > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Native, is a perfectly good word to use, but in these days of 'political correctness' - however careful we are, there is always someone who will manange to take offence. We hardly have any mail on this list, then someone asks a question and this happens. Unbelievable!! Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Roy Goggin" <prgoggin@swiftdsl.com.au> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > The same applies to you: > > Oxford Dictionary - Native - One born or whose parents are domiciled in a > particular place or country > > Thus Tamils, Sinhalese, Burghers etc who were born in Sri Lanka are all > natives. > > Seems to me a perfectly good word to use. > > Regards > > Peter Goggin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gay Fielding" <gayze@tpg.com.au> > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > It is such a pity Rae, that you didn't have the sensitivity to check the > > dictionary before you put your foot in your mouth. > > A little reading is a good thing, and if you are a researcher, reading the > > history of the country you are researching before you start putting pen to > > paper, helps you develop an understanding of the culture and trials and > > tribulations of its indigenous peoples.. > > Your statement "Why the fuss" demonstrates your lack of empathy.. > > .***Empathy is the recognition and understanding of the states of mind, > > including beliefs, desires and particularly emotions of others ** > > Gay > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> > > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:25 AM > > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > > > >A dictionary check will clarify the word "native" as born and bred in the > > > country. > > > Why the fuss? > > > Rae > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Camilla Barlow" <ceebee123@swiftdsl.com.au> > > > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:43 PM > > > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > > > > > > > >> I think you might find a lot of people wiil be upset with the wording > of > > >> your message. I am. > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> > > >> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > > >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:26 AM > > >> Subject: [SRILANKA] Native research > > >> > > >> > > >> > Has anyone researched natives and has knowledge of naming patterns? > > >> > Rae > > >> > Downunder > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ============================== > > >> > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, > find > > >> > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > > >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> ============================== > > >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >> > > >> > > >> __________ NOD32 1.1192 (20050811) Information __________ > > >> > > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > >> http://www.eset.com > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > > > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Helen, The word is "indigenous" no matter what nation are referring to. By the Way...you did not indicate which nation you were talking about...but I guess it is Sri Lanka. Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen McNamara" <hennymac@snap.net.nz> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > Camilla, What word would you use? > Helen(NZ) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Camilla Barlow" <ceebee123@swiftdsl.com.au> > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:43 PM > Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research > > >>I think you might find a lot of people wiil be upset with the wording of >>your message. I am. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> >> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:26 AM >> Subject: [SRILANKA] Native research >> >> >>> Has anyone researched natives and has knowledge of naming patterns? >>> Rae >>> Downunder >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >>> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >>> >>> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.7/70 - Release Date: 11/08/2005 >> >> > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Camilla, What word would you use? Helen(NZ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Camilla Barlow" <ceebee123@swiftdsl.com.au> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [SRILANKA] Native research >I think you might find a lot of people wiil be upset with the wording of >your message. I am. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> > To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:26 AM > Subject: [SRILANKA] Native research > > >> Has anyone researched natives and has knowledge of naming patterns? >> Rae >> Downunder >> >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.7/70 - Release Date: 11/08/2005 > >

You could also refer to them as Veddahs, which is how they refer to themselves. Laurie > Helen, > The word is "indigenous" no matter what nation are referring to. > By the Way...you did not indicate which nation you were talking > about...but I guess it is Sri Lanka. > Gay > >> Camilla, What word would you use? >> Helen(NZ) >> >>> I think you might find a lot of people wiil be upset with the >>> wording of your message. I am. >>> >>>> Has anyone researched natives and has knowledge of naming patterns? >>>> Rae >>>> Downunder >>>

I think you might find a lot of people wiil be upset with the wording of your message. I am. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ramkins" <ramkins@clear.net.nz> To: <SRILANKA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:26 AM Subject: [SRILANKA] Native research > Has anyone researched natives and has knowledge of naming patterns? > Rae > Downunder > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >